Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

[GreyICE]

Booo, Kuribo is scum, that fucking sucks.

Farside is scum, lets lynch her.

Vote: Farside22

[GreyICE]

Hey Parama you listened when I posted in bold.

That makes you my hero~

[GreyICE]

wHYYYYYYY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME MAFIASCUM

I'm a magician I can name five people who aren't scum and two people who are.

Worship me.

Also vote Farside oh my god please.

[GreyICE]

So Kuribo is scum boyz but we caught him for stupid reasons. We should get a demerit after we lynch his scumass.

Farside is superscum

[GreyICE]

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town
Snake is town
Snarky is town

I'm mostly doing this to annoy CKD

[GreyICE]

You say that, yet you're not voting Kuribo.

Patience young Padawan. The force flows through you, but you are not yet wise in the ways of hunting the Sith.

[GreyICE]

You say that, yet you're not voting Kuribo.

it's because he doesn't believe it, he's just trying to draw me into a shouting match so he can get a read on me

You keep telling yourself that. "He's just lucky, he's just feeling around, it's not an actual read"

You're fucking Kuribo~

[GreyICE]

Explain the Cakey read because all I got was Nai.

A snake vote is like the worst vote scum can make rn

No.
There is much worse.

For instance you could self vote.

That'd probably draw way too much attention~

[GreyICE]

So Kuribo, inside track, is the irony that all five were town?

Nah, it's not a statistical statement, it's an ironic statement~

Cakez or Tripod? I kind of lean UT, but it's early in the day

[GreyICE]

Aww Kuribo you're rubbing my ego. It's closely related to my stomach so it always makes me warm and fuzzy~

So help me lynch Farside and I totes won't be "shit at reading you" for the rest of the day~

[GreyICE]

Oh it's so very much more than that~

If I'm the SK I'll totes put the kibosh on you Kuri, I promise~

[GreyICE]

so explain why you're thirsting for blood from farside


you can't expect the murdercock to be engorged on pleasantries and polite suggestion, you gotta at least tell me why someone's worthy of death

I only need your help if I think you're town.

But I don't.

So I don't care.

[GreyICE]

@aristo to be fair, i never had a "stance" on eager to withdraw in the first place. i was just voicing a thought or two about his play. for what it's worth, i don't have a particularly strong read either way right now but how easily everyone is writing him off as town is setting off flags. and i really don't like him continuing to purse the whole omgus thing even after like three people screamed at him that it was literally jsut basic frickin math. and the constant self-referencing of tunneling almost starts to sound like an excuse for bad play after a while.

omg. i'm convincing myself of an eager scumread again, even looking past all the clunkiness of his posts. i like 102 though.

actually really worried about greyice in this game tbh. it's in-character for him to say very little about why someone is scum but i haven't heard a peep about either kuribo or farside and the "help me lynch farside and i won't lynch you" thing is just incredibly skeevy

also thanks kuribo i was wondering if i was the only one who couldn't make a lick of sense of farside's posts but it's a shame you seem to have lost mine in translation as well, they're pretty boss posts

But panama you're supposed to work with me. See if you work with me then you get the privilege of making requests. But if you're not a helper then you don't get to~

See after last game I figure you'd at least be curious as to what I'm going on about~

[GreyICE]

Oh wait you is on the wagon, you is playing ball~

Okay then. Her posts are like... tale, told by an idiot. Not a line of them contains any insight. Cardboard tiger posts. Total shit this is faking the appearance of real thought.

[GreyICE]

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey Kuri boy I found the trai trai~

[GreyICE]

Hey boys and girls. This isn't a joke. Farside is fucking scum. Parama is town.

Get with the program.

Snake, vote farside.

[GreyICE]

But, if I think you're town, how could making you a pseudo-DV be a bad thing?

Because you're absolving yourself of responsibility for your actions

See this shit. This shit is scumfuck. Like "responsibility for your actions"? What the fuck does that mean? Remember my old signature - "Victory requires no explanation, defeat allows none"? Town fucking Kuribo would take a double vote any day of the week and use it to ram more pain down the neckhole of any scumfuck dumb enough to fuck with him. This is some pussy ass terrified Kuribo who wants Eager Snake to be responsible for who we lynch today. I don't give a flying fuck if DrMyShotty gets credit for today's lynch, I want a fucking scumlynch, and you want to diddle yourself over whose responsible for a mislynched.

Fucking die in a fire you scumfuck

[GreyICE]

I GOT PAGE TOP

SUCK IT MOD

SUCK IT

Can you send out a 'your posting is too lazy for words' PM to SnarkySnowman with the body text 'title'?

[GreyICE]

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

[GreyICE]

HEY FARSIDE EXPLAIN THE FUCKING LYING

[GreyICE]

Lets just show this off. I add Farside to foes list, right?





Oh look, fucking posts don't go away. I will say this again.

Farside. Is. Lying.

She is lying because she wants to ignore me and hope I go away.

[GreyICE]

Time out, period the end. Come down on it. Farside is fucking dying today for being a lying piece of shit. So take a stance on this now, players, because town is probably going to win the game off this and scum is going to try and brush it under the rug.

[GreyICE]

So? Why are you making a big deal out of this? Her ignore post didn't look serious anyway

You lynch all liars. Period.

[GreyICE]

Like I know you're new, but I'll lay it out. If someone lies in a game of mafia, they die. It doesn't matter if they lie about the color of the apple they're eating or the temperature it is outside or what sort of shirt they prefer. If they lie they die.

And if you want to know why, it's because every single post scum have a filter of "how much of the truth do I tell here?" It's the defining thing. They have to decide when and how to lie. Are they making a scumread on a townie? They're lying. Are they saying someone who is lurking is playing that way because they're scum? If they're not, they know its a lie. When someone tells a lie in a game of mafia they have a filter in their head that's asking "should I tell the truth here?" And sometimes they decide "no" in absolutely stupid, asinine, ridiculous circumstances. Places where it shouldn't even matter at all. The lie itself might mean absolutely nothing.

But they have that filter, kraska. Farside has that filter. She's trying to figure out what truths to tell, and she picked an idiotic place to lie. BUT SHE CHOSE TO LIE

[GreyICE]

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

Actually I asked questions that just get ignored, hence my comment.

This is total fucking BS and makes literally zero sense in context of your post.

You have an ignore button because you are tired of your questions that are getting ignored?

That's the lamest explanation in the history of lame duck bullshit explanations.

[GreyICE]

Greyice: why are you being so bad at this game?
I literally just quoted what was said and your still on this rant.
Is this personal or something? If it is, let me know.

Oh no I'm so bad at this game.

Why is it that all the dumbass useless scumfucks I lynch say stupid shit like this?

[GreyICE]

Like seriously farside, go drink a pot of piss.

You fucked up you hang

[GreyICE]

Wow that explanation. Here, lets make this nice and easy.

I solemnly swear to vote Farside at the start of every day, up to and including LyLo.

That's it. She's not town. I assure you absolutely I'm town. So this is going to happen every single day, so every fence sitter out there? Better start thinking hard about how long you want this mess to go unanswered because her posts are poorly formatted, hard to read, and obnoxious. They're all that, sure, but they're also scumposts. Kuribo? I don't care what you think, I don't care what you do, and I have no more time for you, so you don't even matter here. This was for the townies, and that most certainly does not include you.

[GreyICE]

Based on your meta-read of me from that game, how do you expect me to play?

Not like how you're playing here!
Your entire argument about the Kuribo wagon being NAI didn't match your town play at all
[quote="In post 193, curiouskarmadog"
NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THIS.

what part of EVERYTHING LOOKS SCUMMY = Help me with where my vote should go?

but lets say...yep..that was exactly what I was doing..."need help with my vote"...how is that exactly scummy?

also..distancing? distancing from what exactly?

VOTE: cakez

there is no way...absolutely no way you believe this at all.

I think you have seen a couple people say they thought I was scum, and you are just dropping this in, so you can jump in on the wagon if one develops without much effort or suspicion.

I am calling bullshit

Look at this instant OMGUS from CKD, lol what garbage
Everything looks scummy is obviously fishing for help from someone
Distancing from your scumbuddy eager obviously

first: i literally do not see this at all and completely disagree.
second: i literally do not see this at all and don't even understand the argument being made. i know what you're getting at but i have no clue how it relates at all to that post.

See above

Town: kraska, eager
Moved town town lean: ckd

Scum: ari, sc, Parama

Slipping a scumread in on me that you have literally never mentioned until now?

Let's talk about that.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog for his horrific reaction above[/quote]



Hey guys I have another post coming, but until then I just wanted to note that this was "FOS Scum, vote town"

[GreyICE]

That is... really good posting. Really fucking good posting.

[GreyICE]

Like I want to be sheeping the snake now.

But farside is right there setting off every single alarm I know how.

Phone posting my shiny metal ass. She's even lying about the cause of the formatting issues.

[GreyICE]

Hey Cakez, you know how you could help me out? Explain how what Snake did didn't match what you thought was his "townplay".

Then when you're done that, can you help me on a bigger issue? I see three points in your post:

1) CKD Flipped out when you slid him in as a vague scumread
2) You think CKD's flip out is super unjustified and totally scummy
3) Farside slipped you in as a vague scumread and you think that's scummy

So... uh... I don't follow

[GreyICE]

His argument for me being scum is worse than mine was for farside being scum. Need I say more?

All arguments for farside being scum are by definition good since she's scum. Watch.

"Is Jupiter a planet? Yes? Farside is scum."

Excellent logic. This is how logic works.

Voting Cakez is pretty good logic, to be fair.

[GreyICE]

Hey Cakez how is you saying "I don't like this specific point eager made" and eager saying "but that point was like literally one sentence in one place" anything resembling semantics?

[GreyICE]

Hey Kuribo, I'm serious. Bite me. But on a game relevant note:

Null
Town
Town
Null
Scum
Null
Null-Scum
Null
Null
Null-Scum
Lurking Scum
Null

That's not a reads list, that's a disaster masquerading as a wall of text.

[GreyICE]

Oh trust me, I picked up on

that

immediately

[GreyICE]

Like honestly. Why do you think I think you're scum, because I randomly flip coins here in my spare time?

[GreyICE]

Honestly Kuribo, was I scum with you in a couple of games? Yes. I think every game we played together before this one I drew scum. Was this some nefarious plot of mine? No. I don't like playing scum, I genuinely dislike it, but I play it out because that's how mafia works and if I replace out, don't fight my lynch or don't push lynches on townies as scum I am violating the spirit of the game. But more to the point it's

not my fucking plot

okay? I don't message the mods and go "yo man, I'll slip you $20 through PayPal if you make me a scumbutt". It's the role I drew those games and if you're seriously angry over that rather than playing it up, fuck you. You're better than that.

I'll give you your space, for fucks sake I was giving you space. I also am stating my read on you, and yeah, it was scum and frankly its still more than a little towards scum. It's insanely demoralizing to open the thread as scum and realize there's a stupid 5 vote RVS wagon on you. It feels bad. I've been there and it felt way worse than it did when I was town and I don't quite grasp the psychology behind it, but I know what I know.

My vote is parked on Farside and I like it there.

@Gear:

The nature of the lie is irrelevant. The

choice

to lie is everything. In point of fact the lie being about non-game related things is MORE damning. Townies might, for whatever deluded reason, talk themselves into lying about the gamestate for strategic purposes.

[GreyICE]

Okay when you say shit like that you're too deep in the tunnel.

Mislynching doesn't just cost us a shitty town player, it costs us the town player currently living who is most dangerous to scum. Say you're so super town, right? A mislynch doesn't just cost us Cakes, it costs us you. So his play better be really, really, really exceptionally bad if you're willing to lose him just because of it (like... that one player from the last game me and Parama were in levels of bad).

So what I'm saying here is come to the farside~

[GreyICE]

Not voting (5): kuribo, RachMarie, SnarkySnowman, Aristophanes, Gear

Also hi guys! If you're not Kuribo and your name is on this list... you're killin me.

Snarky,

[GreyICE]

There was a thought that was going to go there. Then I looked at your ISO.

I'm just going to leave it. Aborted. Lost forever. You killed my thought, Snarky, you killed it with those posts.

[GreyICE]

So I'm curious. If I had a multishot vig and I shot Farside, Gear, UT, Cakes, Snarky and Kuribo does anyone think they game would still be ongoing? I don't.

[GreyICE]

Alright I'm going to spoiler quote every single interaction between me and Cakez so you can read it and make up your mind for yourself.

I'm not saying the interactions are indicative of solid arguments from Cakes. I'm just not saying its a compelling reason to vote for him over Farside, who is just being pretty obvious scum.

[GreyICE]

And like sadly the name I'd cut from that list if someone took one of my bullets would probably be Kuribo or Snarky.

[GreyICE]

Honestly like Snake? You know how much Cakez spamming quotes at me convinced me you were scum? Yeah that much.

Now come vote farside. We have cookies and scumlynches on that wagon. You have scum on the Cakez wagon and they're making the place all mucky.

[GreyICE]

We've played in tons of games together Farside. When have I ever had a personal beef with you? You calling me a bad player is bullshit because you know for a fact that's not true, but that's just basic scum rhetoric. Pisses me off, but that's the point, ain't it?

You want this to look like a personal beef to the town which is why you're doing this jazz, but it's truly anything but.

[GreyICE]

Honestly like Snake? You know how much Cakez spamming quotes at me convinced me you were scum? Yeah that much.

Now come vote farside. We have cookies and scumlynches on that wagon. You have scum on the Cakez wagon and they're making the place all mucky.

I can't listen to you, because I don't know if you're town, sorry. Not voting farside again today. I'm actually more inclined to believe that Parama is the scum of those 2 now. The only reason I wanted her head is because I thought she was lying about the ignore thing, which I now understand was a misinterpretation of her post.

You should vote SirCakez.

I'm considering it. But you do know that I'm town, snake. You just know it in your heart to be true. Believe in the heart of the scummer.

[GreyICE]

We've played in tons of games together Farside. When have I ever had a personal beef with you? You calling me a bad player is bullshit because you know for a fact that's not true, but that's just basic scum rhetoric. Pisses me off, but that's the point, ain't it?

You want this to look like a personal beef to the town which is why you're doing this jazz, but it's truly anything but.

You've been ranting way before that.
I mean you are the one that misunderstood my post.
You are the one complaining about my post style, which is not alignment indicative.
Your are the one just spamming the thread with the same thing over and over.
So the way I see it, you either have an issue with me or your scum pushing really weak shit.
I respect you as a player to doubt the later.

Posting style is most definitely alignment indicative. When I think you're being deliberately obtuse and hard to read it makes me think "Farside wants the Parama back-and-forth to be dismissed as TvT or noise". Especially when I know for a fact you can make considerably more sense than you've been making. I mean I fucking speed lynched MoI on replace in once because his posting style was big obnoxious meaningless walls and he flipped scum (and like 90% of games with MoI I'm his best friend). People's styles often change when they're scum. It's a psychological effect of that filter you have to write every post through.

You call it spamming, I call it "building a wagon". And respect me as a player?

Greyice: why are you being so bad at this game?

Interesting way to express that.

[GreyICE]

That's a pretty big hit to my ego.

Thanks. :/

I said no offence! I am lynchbait too, you just have to learn to use it to your advantage. Embrace your flaws. Turn your faults into assets.

You realize she's been playing on site for nine years and has played in hundreds of games, right?

I just want to be sure.

[GreyICE]

Yes, I do realize it. [rhetorical] You realize you haven't really been trying very hard to convince anyone, right? [/rhetorical] Most of your posts I've just been laughing at the way you go about it, while acknowledging your stance.

458 was much better. More convincing.

See here's the thing Snake. We have 11 days left. We have five people not voting. I'd like more time to really basket Gear and UT, even if I have some decent preliminaries. What for the love of god makes you think I want a lynch to happen right now?

Farside is scum, and I'm fine pointing it out, but I'd rather see how other people approach it. You have a very linear mind. You don't attempt to sort farside, you read my arguments, decide that I haven't worked hard enough, and assume she's lynchbait for some reason, probably because me and Parama want to lynch her. That tells me a lot about you and that's fine. But I also want to hear from players who are not you.

Trust me, when I'm comfortable with what I've learned you'll know about it.

[GreyICE]

What is your confidence level on this, GreyICE? The confidence level tells you how sure you can be. It is expressed as a percentage. The 95% confidence level means you can be 95% certain; the 99% confidence level means you can be 99% certain. Etc.

Well above 50%. Which is all I need.

[GreyICE]

Sorry GreyICE I just feel like, from my shoes, Parama and SirCakez misrepresentation of me is obvious, Parama especially after his latest attempt. He's literally coming after me just to do it, in my eyes. I'm almost certain he was doing the same to farside. I don't even have to read the interactions. He thinks he can get me lynched, he thinks he can eventually, if he keeps pulling my strings, make a good case, but that's not gonna happen, if he keeps pursuing me further, I will get him lynched.

First, he's voting Farside. So what the hell are you on about?

Second, if you think that lynching everyone who "comes at you" is in any way a good response then you're going to lynch a lot of town and be very useful for the scum. If all the scum have to do to earn your support is to pet you and tell you how awesome you are then guess what? They'll pet you and tell you you're the coolest player ever. Meanwhile town will suspect you because town suspects EVERYONE. No matter how town you think someone is there's a voice in the back of your head asking if you could be wrong, so town can and will needle you.

Right now I think you're town, I like you as a person, but you're negative utility to the town and its behavior like this that is making you negative utility. I'm not going to lynch you for it because it takes a truly stupendous degree of negative utility before I'm content lynching someone over it, but you're not doing a particularly good job of doing anything pro-town.

[GreyICE]

I thought you agreed with me on SirCakez what happened there, GreyICE?

I agreed I didn't like his posts. I don't agree enough to slot him as scum, certainly not over farside.

ALTHOUGH IF HE KEEPS POSTING SHIT LIKE 480 I AM SO FUCKING ON BOARD YOU HAVE NO IDEA

[GreyICE]

Yeah Snake, Farside? 90%.

[GreyICE]

I'm not addressing snarky being useless until day 2. When I know for a fact we don't have a vig. Vig should evaporate sparky like s bad dream.

[GreyICE]

If you HAVE to lynch some eventually, you might as well do it sooner than later.

This is a game about bad ass bikers. If SC didn't give the town a killing role or three I'll be quite cross.

[GreyICE]

having 5 people not voting isn't helping.

can y'all please take some stances already

here's my stance: you killed your own chances at having anyone care about your farside wagon by posting like 39982734934 pages of impenetrable text about it and DEMANDING ANSWERS TO VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS AND SAYING OVER AND OVER YOU WANT AN ANSWER BY GOD

Is this the catch 22 I hear so much about? Don't push the scumread hard enough you're coasting scum, push too hard and you're pushy scum.

Can I have the UT-approved amount that you can push a scumread?

Better yet, can I have content from UT that isn't scumplaining? Because that would be cute.

[GreyICE]

Your early talks about PRs are making me suspect you, stop it.

My meta says I always discuss vig shots day 1 regardless of alignment /s

But seriously no lynching the fucking useless people until day 2.

[GreyICE]

Your early talks about PRs are making me suspect you, stop it.

Nope!

[GreyICE]

Vote: SirCakez

[GreyICE]

FYI if I'm dead tonight, it's still 100% farside as scum.

Call it a tunnel all you like, fucking trust my reads.

[GreyICE]

Cakes still ain't scum
He just has bad reads
I'm positive scum wouldn't vote eager. They're probably on Parama and cakes, those are the easy votes to hide behind

That exact logic is why you would double down. Refuge in audacity. Anything scum wouldn't do scum would do to not look scum. Key is intent and thoughts, and figure out his.

[GreyICE]

I don't give a shit about meta. Meta is controllable. My vote is here.

[GreyICE]

Gear is scum eager. Kraska is definitely not.

[GreyICE]

I left my farside tunnel for this, go look at the last page from gear and do me solid if I'm dead tomorrow

[GreyICE]

Eh gear might not be scum. Far side is.

[GreyICE]

Yay another game balanced by giving the scum all the answers to town power. Then SK for no good reason.

[GreyICE]

Eh, it's impossible to catch an SK. No relationship tells, they can scumhunt as they please, etc.

[GreyICE]

And survivor is a bad role.

I think the major balance issue was that the scum had answers for all the town power. It's the reason scum win rates are so bloody high. Give scum everything so even if they brutally misplay (like they did this game) they have options. No catchup mechanisms if the town misplays though, then they deserve their loss. So it only takes mediocre scum play to win even against very good town play.

TLDR: the roleblocker was too much.

[GreyICE]

Sure, but you lost your strongest role day 1, then lost another scum day 2. So your play was decent, but that's not a situation that should be salvaged with less than "legendary". In town terms that's like mislynching three days straight.