Mini 1837: Family Mafia (GAME OVER)

[kraska77]

Happy family

I'm the pink one

[kraska77]

giga's on the shortlist for culling.

[kraska77]

Oh I didn't notice that nacho hadn't posted either. I thought she listed all the people who didn't post on her "shortlist"
Well then, care to explain why I'm part of your selective list camn and why you're okay with me being lynched? Looks like culling to me if you ask me

[kraska77]

That's not what I'm talking about, I was pointing out that it doesn't look random to me like she's saying
I'm a newer player so we haven't played together much at all before
And dwlee and cakes look like the easiest pickings out of the playerlist

[kraska77]

She said it was almost random, which is different from completely random (and if it was completely random - a dwlee/you/Cakez trio is just as likely as any other so I don't understand your criticism there). She also said that Day 1 is very dynamic, meaning the shortlist she has right now is probably based on feelings, inclinations, isn't yet significant.

I don understand why you're currently worried about her shortlist unless you think she has the intent to follow through with stated reads in the first three pages of the game.

okay so...the longer this converstion goes on, the more i feel it inflates the seriousness of my posts. "worried" is a stretch and shows you're still missing what i was saying

to put it simply, post 46 was a paint-me-unimpressed post. i mean really why am i and cakeboy priority to scrutinise? especially when cakeboy attracts day 1 wagons like turtle tears attract amazonian butterflies. and im unfamiliar with majority of the playerlist and the majority of the playerlist is unfamiliar with me so like people obviously will need to interact with me longer to parse me compared to someone theyre more familiar with.
like those are really meh pressure targets to make prioty to campaign for as theyre probably happening at some point anyway. it's page 2 tho and she did say this stuff is dynamic so ofcourse im cutting her slack. but still, i wrote that stuff at all bc i dont really like this shortlist(which still doesnt look random to me) considering the context of her interactions with you and spyrex. i hope this makes things more clear? let's talk about other things

[kraska77]

It's ok Kraska, I'll fight to my death to make sure they don't lynch you

unless i scumread you this game, that'd be a first

btw kraska you should totally vote with us!! why no RVS vote?

im voting

[kraska77]

oh right i thought i was already voting lol
VOTE: jalapeno

[kraska77]

postie is like an actual informed read based on logic

what do you mean

[kraska77]

I made a joke over it, but then decided better off it because I was making an assumption that kraska would see the humor whereas it could have reignited conflict if they didn't.

hey no worries

got any reads yet house?

[kraska77]

Postie
Ate the toastie


What else rhymes with postie

[kraska77]

Kraska because Nacho's push on her is terrible. If Nacho was town then I'd reevaluate this.

Pre-flip associations oh goodie

Hi postie got any reads?

[kraska77]

why am i and cakeboy priority to scrutinise?

im unfamiliar with majority of the playerlist and the majority of the playerlist is unfamiliar with me so like people obviously will need to interact with me longer to parse me compared to someone theyre more familiar with.

*ahem*

Next line

like those are really meh pressure targets to make prioty to campaign for as theyre probably happening at some point anyway.

[kraska77]

Postie
Ate the toastie


What else rhymes with postie

coastie
mostie
roastie

those aren't words but yeah

kraska what are your thoughts on cakeboy?

I can see the incentive behind his nacho vote and he's sticking out his neck a little...looks town

[kraska77]

What about you?

Giga being chill like she is means she rolled town I think
Cake probably town

Why is dram a good lynch?

[kraska77]

You look at that iso and tell me

Oh yeah it's empty

Mr dram come and play
Who's town who's scum

[kraska77]

Wait I'm confused
Who was cake refering to when he was talking about defencivness? I thought he said nacho's push on me was making me look defencive/scummy?

[kraska77]

329 makes me want to both scumread Elyse for how fake it sounds and townread her for how ballsy the push is.

Yeah same her push seems unconditionally strong considering the gamestate
I was iffy on nacho But that last post on elyse was bad...it just seems really weak, like "here, have a vote"

[kraska77]

okay so elyse went from nothing to gobsmack "LYNCH NACHO THE SCUMZER". there's no succession she just massacred in to attack and her tone is accusatory...it feels forced and offbeat from the gamestate, like she's more content attacking than give room for nacho to explain himself. idk compare this to cakes/nacho interactions, felt more natural and genuine. it's ballsy but i dont feel comfortable writing her off as town for that

post 326 nacho votes elyse and this is totally a valid vote/push to make after his rebuttal of her case...but then he goes on to say he acknowledges that elyse could be town and i feel this negates the effect of his vote if that was supposed to pressure her...why arent you pushing elyse more strongly nacho?

[kraska77]

tbh i think the nacho push is probably coming from town but we should talk about the dramonic push

kraska do you think anyone is scum or are you still pro-spicy policy lynch

idk elyse could be scum
iffy on nacho
and that's it
dwlee and dramonic and hiplop need to do stuff

[kraska77]

@elyse any reads other than nacho?

[kraska77]

I can see the incentive behind his nacho vote and he's sticking out his neck a little...looks town

If someone knows that sticking their neck out makes them look town... are they really sticking their neck out?

Did you just go out of your way to quote a post I made pages ago that has no relevance to current discussion, to ask me a vacuous question...?

[kraska77]

Also
VOTE: elyse

[kraska77]

Gigaz
Wanna vote elyse wiz me?

[kraska77]

And hiplop are u parked on cake 5ever

[kraska77]

@house who is scum who is town

[kraska77]

Spyrex wanna vote elyse?

[kraska77]

Well house this post is still oozing weird

I can see the incentive behind his nacho vote and he's sticking out his neck a little...looks town

If someone knows that sticking their neck out makes them look town... are they really sticking their neck out?

Did you just go out of your way to quote a post I made pages ago that has no relevance to current discussion, to ask me a vacuous question...?

you think cakes is scum or what?

[kraska77]

No f that get on my train

But an elyse wagon would be more interesting rn
werent you complaining about nonchalance

[kraska77]

An elyse wagon is something I feel people will actually have opinions about. Maybe we've got a vig? (altho family vig sounds funny hehe) if we do, they'll take care of dwleejalepeno
This is beginning to look like myko's game where no-one got anything out of day 1 and town had nothing much to work with for the rest of the game

[kraska77]

Why did you unvote someone with a garbage iso only to vote another person with a garbage iso?

[kraska77]

oh man that elyse post was terrible
1)no it's not contradictory. reread the two quotes again and you'll understand i was calling his push weak; my issue with his vote post was that it was kinda fence-sitty. i mean if he's considering that you may be town, i feel he should be pushing you stronger to sort you.
whats up elyse? you're spinning questions out of nothing
2)about the "waiting for you to post and then getting antsy" part....
this seems like a weird thing to say. especially since, again, it should be pretty clear from my posts at camn why i switched. and you quoted that post, mind you, so i know you read it

[kraska77]

I kinda like Nacho's responses, tbh.

Parse results: Elyse is town.

VOTE: Nacho

c) not sold on nacho-scum

k. Lets see.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nachomamma

*holds pitchfork* so...u 2 explain whats going on here pls

[kraska77]

giga where are u i wanna talk

[kraska77]

Hi potted cactus! I'm going to catch up now

[kraska77]

I kinda like Nacho's responses, tbh.

Parse results: Elyse is town.

VOTE: Nacho

c) not sold on nacho-scum

k. Lets see.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nachomamma

*holds pitchfork* so...u 2 explain whats going on here pls

Elyse is town


I trust town!Elyse more than my own reads unless I have some condemning evidence. Just reading people, not all that great at and Elyse has impressed me in the past.

I'm not talking about elyse
I'm talking about your nacho vote
You said you liked his responses before, so did you see something different in his recent posts to change your mind?

[kraska77]

Same goes for camn

Plus...nacho is really good. He keeps his secrets at L-4. Does he keep them at L-1? Inquiring minds want to know.

So did this follow from your elyse townread? I mean is that what prompts you to push nacho? Because you did say earlier that you not sold on nacho scum

[kraska77]

(Ugh sorry I didn't think catching up would take this long...too many pages since my last post and my friend is picking me up in 30 min so this will have to wait until I come back home)

[kraska77]

Keep reading that post until it makes sense

This is like the 4th time i ask u sth and u reply to me with farts

[kraska77]

is it bad that i'm townreading ranmaru already

i've fallen into the "see catch-up I agree with, call it town" trap once before (Kraska ) and i don't intend to do so a second time

I like ranmaru's catchup too...except for the postiw scumread

[kraska77]

Portia kind of...tiptoed around the elyse wagon and then ended up voting anyway...so I kind of see why people might suspect her
But I feel her early posting was really obvious town so

[kraska77]

Postie not Portia...autocorrect lol

[kraska77]

I don't see the reason to let either of Elyse or Camn live today. How has your read on Nacho developed?

I sheeped Elyse because I was reading her as town for her ballsy move on Nacho and taking him on 1v1.

Nacho made some decent points later on and I lost faith in my townread of Elyse, and subsequently her case on Nacho.

That said, I'm not a fan of lynching Elyse d1. You can have my vote on her if she doesn't town the fuck up by d2, though.

THEN WHY DID YOU VOTE NACHO RATHER THAN ELYSE
You don't think elyse is town, and you don't want her lynched today bc moonlogic...okay...but why did you end up voting nacho then
What is your read on nacho I wanna know

[kraska77]

I think house is being dumb
~Dwlee

Same
And hi dwleee
Reads on postie and elyse?

[kraska77]

So I just went thru dramonic iso to extract his reads
He reads cakes as town i think? Bc he kind of poked hiplop about their vote
Reads camn as prob scum
Postir as scum

Dram who are your strongest townreads? Townreads are missing in your iso

[kraska77]

Town: giga, zito, cakes
Lean town: postie, spyrex, nacho, house, ran
Null: dram, jalapeno,
Scum: elyse, camn

Is where I'm at I guess

[kraska77]

against my better judgement i'm not going to vla or replace out, i promised kraska i'd do this

*hugs* rl gets priority don't push yourself to do this if you're too busy

[kraska77]

@ranmaru why are you quoting elyse on my vote having no progression? It's not like it came outta nowhere. I did explain my read pages before I dropped the vote

[kraska77]

Ran whats your read on elyse?
Actually could you redo a reads list? No need to explain ur reads I just wanna see where your head's at rn

[kraska77]

@postie who are your scum reads?

Pedit: I did

[kraska77]

Also I didn't say I was iffy on elyse. I said the ballsiness gives me pause but that I didn't feel comfortable writing her off as town for this alone because her push is still weird
Pedit: trying to catchup now...I'm quickly skimming thru stuff so I might have missed it

[kraska77]

oh man that elyse post was terrible
1)no it's not contradictory. reread the two quotes again and you'll understand i was calling his push weak; my issue with his vote post was that it was kinda fence-sitty. i mean if he's considering that you may be town, i feel he should be pushing you stronger to sort you.
whats up elyse? you're spinning questions out of nothing
2)about the "waiting for you to post and then getting antsy" part....
this seems like a weird thing to say. especially since, again, it should be pretty clear from my posts at camn why i switched. and you quoted that post, mind you, so i know you read it

"Quote" in second part was reference to this:

An elyse wagon is something I feel people will actually have opinions about. Maybe we've got a vig? (altho family vig sounds funny hehe) if we do, they'll take care of dwleejalepeno
This is beginning to look like myko's game where no-one got anything out of day 1 and town had nothing much to work with for the rest of the game

[kraska77]

I'm currently trying to fit in a 3-man team and at the moment see a Spicy/Nacho/Camn team

Hmm can't see a nacho/camn/spicy team really
That would mean camn spent the entire day needlessly hopping back and forth between her partners when she could have helped push a wagon on a townelyse thru
Why are you reading nacho as scum again?

[kraska77]

Kraska, Elise responded to your #462 in her #526. Did you respond?

You mean that elyse post that goes on forever? The thing I just quoted was a reply to that so.......
Ran are you even reading my posts

[kraska77]

Why was my vote on elyse bad? You're gonna have to explain that using MY posts not elyse's selective quoting and misrep interpretations of my posts

[kraska77]

I'm not going to explain why I picked kraska today, but it will make sense later
Now stop fishing pls

Nah ure gonna explain exactly what it is
Especially after I claim

Posties switch on me looks shifty as hell

[kraska77]

Lel I bet she's desperately searching the wiki for a good fake claim rn

Lol fk off im not at l-1

[kraska77]

No I'm waiting for u to stop being dumb and explain what kind of guilty bc I have sth to say

[kraska77]

Well if the guilty is as damning as you're making it sound then I gues nacho is scum after all

[kraska77]

Kraska you not claiming is a scum claim. Why do you assume Sircake's is 'being dumb'?

I wanted to make sure cakes actually has a guilty that can't be nerfed by ascetics or etc

[kraska77]

Because I'm a bus driver and nacho was my pick yesterday

[kraska77]

Don't laff at me
That's my role u fucks

Pedit: yeah I switched with myself obviously

[kraska77]

Ok I really need to start driving now or I'll miss first class
I'll be back when I make it to uni

[kraska77]

I'm back my dearies
If you lynch me I'll kill u

[kraska77]

That makes no sense
Why switch yourself with nacho? There was 0 town motivation for that.
Plus most mods don't let bus drivers self target anyway

You're scum

Look this is the first time I get rolled a role like this...I dont really know what is the optimal way to use it. But it looked like I'm def not getting protected over zito or spy, I figured if anyone targets me it'll be investigatives so I switched myself with nacho who was a nullish read
I chose nacho bc he's a controversial read and in the offchance that were wrong about elyse, he could be scum

[kraska77]

Anyway if ure going to lynch me, don't waste a lynch on nacho vig him instead
Bc if cakes "guilty" is not really damning and nahos somehow town then we find ourselves in lylo after nacho and I get lynched
Pedit: lemme post dammit

[kraska77]

Ok fuck it I'm 3p
I h8 u cakes.....

[kraska77]

I'm in class and internet here is weak
Cut me some slack
Off memory( bc pages take ages to load fetching my pm will take a long while) I'm Roxanne sth sth snitchy neighbour I killed spy night 1

[kraska77]

Who did you "protect" camn? Bc either I targted same person as scums or scum kill failed

[kraska77]

Camn doesn't need to answer. Why did you kill Spy Kraska?

So you think camn is a bulletproof protective role? Okay...

[kraska77]

I mean I get associations and etc but we have a

real bit of reconciled data here

.

What are you referring to? I looked up the definition but can only guess the guilty?

Does camn ever outlive you?

recently he got the N1, and I got the N2. That was great.

ps:

camn-claim: PGO

p-edit. postie why.

aight before we go to night I just wanna

dayvig: camn

oh baby

FU ZITO LOL!

HTH

Hello

[kraska77]

So did u guys miss the part where zito shot camn and it failed?
I mean I though he was trolling yesterday but did u read his posts today or?

[kraska77]

I made a wolfy kill yest bc I felt town was beginning to distrust me towards the end...spy was v influential and volatile so I wanted to make sure he's out so I can ensure longer survival. I was planning on making towny kills after that

[kraska77]

U can stop pretending I'm not at l-1

[kraska77]

I'm at l-1***

[kraska77]

more importantly

vote: kraska

This is scum btw
Autolymch this after camn

Do i have to fucking acumhunt for u guys? that's not my job

[kraska77]

Told y'all

And look at this shit no votes or anything... this is fake as fuck autolynch this too

[kraska77]

I appreciate your efforts, kraska. <3

I do too.

[kraska77]

get thise vile votes off me then!!
im a nonscums person

im nopt selfvoting so deal with it

[kraska77]

ok im finally back home ^_^
i thought about this...i'll kill dram. if he's scum he's done fuck all and will get bussed in a heartbeat
camn and elyse are better off lynched, if im wrong and one of them is town the lynch tells us stuff

[kraska77]

my day 1 scumhunting was in earnest, guys

[kraska77]

im talking to a fucking wall.

[kraska77]

I'm a she
And pls don't setup spec if ure gonna be bad at it

[kraska77]

So.....
Why am I still sitting at l minus however many votes?.....
Are u guys for real
Ur objections to killing dram, lynching camn are?

[kraska77]

What stopped you from voting me before that makes you vote me now?
That's scum right there ^^^

[kraska77]

Like I can't say I care about this game anymore. I can't tell why cakes chose to investigate me of all ppl. I'm just unlucky I guess
But I still can't fathom the moonlogic here...I mean u can't all be scums ffs...so why aren't you okay with my kill dram, lynch camn offer? I'm just trying to understand ur weirdness

[kraska77]

You cannot be more blind to blatant buddying, house
do you actually believe her "idk what's the votecount!!!" Shtick? The vc was two posts above hers when she first said that on idk which page

[kraska77]

Also... It's only hearsay that kraska is third party. There was only one kill.
I have tried to fakeclaim 3rd party to buy an extra nightkill before, too. Its a great move, especially if the alternative lynch is town. That's 2 extra dead townies for free.

Pedit- zito- those questions are best answered tomorrow. Answering them today only helps scum. Don't get too tunneley, unless you like lynching townies.

And i botched up my claim and claimed busdriver and lost all credibility because? How did that help me if I'm scum?

[kraska77]

Ranmaru demoted from cactus to pickle!!!

[kraska77]

Cacti look like big pickles tbh
Also I need sleep and I h8 u guys

[kraska77]

I would entertain the notion of leashing IF there had been two kills last night, but I think kraska is just group scum.

Stop ure just embarrassing urself at this point
Camn is quite obviously fishing for the real doctor coz they're toast anyway

[kraska77]

Also this weird lowkey aversion to me killing dram is plenty weird

[kraska77]

Avenge the hateboner!
Kill the dramz!

[kraska77]

I'm more town than u guys look at my ethereal scum hunting skillz I caught the scums and I wanna be nice and pew pew at scums but u guys are just...

[kraska77]

Oh right....
I kind of forget about killing spyrex...

[kraska77]

No
And I'm offering a kill to prove it
Why would I fake claim busdriver if my intention was to fakeclaim sk all along

[kraska77]

Well would have played like a vig but I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD GET CAUGHT
Why would cakes investigate me over the popular scumspects
My scum reads this game were actually being widely scum read so I wanted to kill atleast one of the more obvtowns early just bc i worry my scum reads were wrong and I become more suspicious/target for investigatives in the future...I wanted to keep around the people who wouldn't question my alignment much

[kraska77]

Vote: kraska

[kraska77]

Elyse I hope u change ur mind =( </3

[kraska77]

I'm neither friendly nor pleasant.

I'm generally abrasive and brash....

Thus far you've been pretty salty to me and idk what I've done to deserve it.

Internal dissonance noted.

Spoiler: Note to later camn-self

Something is off about this. kraska/House/Dramonic. Something is weird here. Like the inverse of a love triangle. come back to it once we have some flips.

Also *fangirls* this was amazing

[kraska77]

I think this game would have ended differently tho had house not been rreplaced

[kraska77]

I understand the vote on me
But his bussing attempt on dram was really unnecessary...Especially when there was enuff town drama going on

[kraska77]

i played a terrible game and somehow won... that seems to be a pattern

gj everyone (to town especially), sorry I barely pulled my weight here. good news is that i'm not going to be in a situation where i'm in 5 games at once ever again, so you can expect better play from me in the future

i loved the flavor and the set-up was really creative!

i still would like resolution on my serial killer spec though even if it didn't matter

By the way
I took the liberty of pre-inning me and u and boring for Gif's large normal >:)
Looks like that will take a while to hit signups tho. But it's next on the queue

[kraska77]

yeah u were great ranmaru, i look forward to playing together again too ^_^

also scum pt is...what? 2 pages long? x) most of it is me crying "what do i dooooo" after cakes announced his guilty

[kraska77]

spoopy

[kraska77]

No offense but

No

[kraska77]

perhaps the only thing that could have saved dram from rope was pointing out that house was trying to get dram lynched and that he wouldnt be able to do kills if dram were scum and dead
coz that was a really wtf move from house
but then again i dont they would have ever lynched giga so
it was gg after the traitor got exposed

[kraska77]

fetch

[kraska77]

fetcg