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Dwlee99 · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:40 am

I noticed that the site meta has changed over time.

It used to be that power roles were helpful to the town, and that claims helped solve the game. This is no longer true.

I just finished playing Sybil's Elegy which was a great example of the role distribution being designed to confuse at best, and F up at worse, the town. I have played others with similar anti-town mod shenanigans.

Here's the deal.

We should not claim, ever.

Treating the game as mountainous will increase our chances of winning.

What we should do (and I include vanilla townies) is to crumb our night choices somehow BEFORE the night. Vanilla townies must crumb fake targets.

When you're dead, and we know your role and alignment, we can go back and use the crumbs for the solve.

Solving games by way of RESULTS and CLAIMED ROLES will not work. It just doesn't work anymore.

VOTE: DGB

Dwlee99 · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:52 am

In post 14, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm gunna veto this, but still read it as Townie.

Scum?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #42 (isolation #2) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:19 am

In post 38, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 31, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 14, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm gunna veto this, but still read it as Townie.
Scum?
How serious was your first post?

It wasn't. It's a copypasta (as gamma pointed out)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #95 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 1:29 pm

My phone autocorrects to rodent about half the time.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #158 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:25 pm

In post 137, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 128, Roden wrote:DGB I wanna avoid baselessly fighting with you this time around, considering Dwlee is in this game and I expect to argue with them as some point too. So I'll just give you my scum games so you can meta me if that makes things easier. If you still wanna fight then at least give me something with substance.

Scum games are Newbie 2066, 2070, and 2073. Everyone else is free to do homework as well if they want.

Meta is rubbish.

- DGB in every game meta is brought up.

Our time

in the scum PT

playing together is really helping us work out our differences, isn't it?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #159 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:26 pm

VOTE: T3
I'm gonna go here I think cause I saw Nero said the words "t3" and "chainsaw defending"

Dwlee99 · Post Post #415 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:58 pm

I veto Nero lim get destroyed.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #416 (isolation #7) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:02 pm

I'm not really one to catch-up post but I'm staying on t3.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #417 (isolation #8) » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:04 pm

In post 277, T3 wrote:Cpompare my games from 1-2 months ago to now and it's way diferent.

In post 287, T3 wrote:Meta wall on Nero coming soon.

This does not read like a townie thought process to me. I know that T3 is heavily meta reliant, but these two posts in a row are funny in a way I'd think town!t3 would point out.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #433 (isolation #9) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:10 am

In post 427, T3 wrote:
In post 423, Shrek wrote:can someone summarize the cases against nero and t3 again for me plox
The case against Nero is that he's playing different to his town meta.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #434 (isolation #10) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:12 am

In post 430, KittyTacky wrote: Oh OK, nevermind that. It read like a serious strategy proposition.

In the original context it was. (Original post)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #533 (isolation #11) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:36 am

T3 is evil sheep me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #550 (isolation #12) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:06 am

In post 547, Almost50 wrote:The following block of Norwee/T3/Meg/DGB/Gamma/Shrek/Roden should contain 1-2 scums in it, while Dwlee/DotW/STD/Testa/Kitty/Arc should contain the other 2-1.

Can you write the block containing the last one?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #582 (isolation #13) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:51 am

@Norwee it's probably cause I've mentally decided on who I want to die today and that is blocking other stuff

Dwlee99 · Post Post #589 (isolation #14) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:02 am

In post 583, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 582, Dwlee99 wrote:@Norwee it's probably cause I've mentally decided on who I want to die today and that is blocking other stuff
You can still like, you know, develop a Town core.

I have mentally considered who I'm town reading. Not every thought I have has to go in thread.

In post 585, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 582, Dwlee99 wrote:@Norwee it's probably cause I've mentally decided on who I want to die today and that is blocking other stuff
You don’t seem to be trying very hard to get that person killed.
Which makes me feel you’re not really trying to solve or do anything townie at all.

I've said a couple of times to murderize him and I said why. No one really engaged.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #601 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:35 am

In post 592, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Yes they do.
Who are you townreading and why?

Nero gives me the good abrasive and annoyed vibes.
You make me think you're sorting
^ ditto with LQ
Shrek and A50 get townreads too
Honorable mention: cheeky teeky is null almost entirely because their profile picture is so similar to how I think about LQ and Norwee.

In post 593, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Do you really think blame people for not engaging with your largely unexplained reads?

I don't blame them. It's just how it is.

It's a strange look to be egging on an established wagon out of two competing wagons with little reason. If t3 were to flip town it would link you to Nero as scum which if you're both town is pretty rough.

Okay? But I think I'm right, so I'll push the wagon I think will get us a scum flip.

In post 595, LicketyQuickety wrote: Dwlee this read is not super strong. Not enough to not reevaluate at least.

I would reeval if t3 did anything townie but his answer about the Nero metadive is just completely ignoring he said he would do it, but still saying Nero's meta doesn't match his town meta.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #605 (isolation #16) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:51 am

In post 602, T3 wrote:
In post 598, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 597, T3 wrote:Yep DGB is town
Because they're throwing out town reads?
Scum DGB just straight up doesn't give reads unless prompted and the reads she gives are overexplained.
Citatation: Death Curse

I don't believe you.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #614 (isolation #17) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:29 pm

In post 607, T3 wrote:
In post 605, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 602, T3 wrote:
In post 598, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 597, T3 wrote:Yep DGB is town
Because they're throwing out town reads?
Scum DGB just straight up doesn't give reads unless prompted and the reads she gives are overexplained.
Citatation: Death Curse
I don't believe you.
Then you get dayvigged.

Do it coward

Dwlee99 · Post Post #625 (isolation #18) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:45 pm

In post 623, Roden wrote:Dwlee hasn't attempted to sheep obvscum yet, which is worrying.

Is this town!Nero TMI?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #719 (isolation #19) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:34 pm

In post 681, Gamma Emerald wrote:Who do you want dead again?

T3;

Dwlee99 · Post Post #726 (isolation #20) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:41 pm

In post 725, Nero Cain wrote:Honestly, yes/arc/t3 could be scum but it feels like scum are prob in ppls town reads

Who in people's town reads is scum?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #733 (isolation #21) » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:52 pm

In post 727, Nero Cain wrote:Mega rodon gamma Shrek? Dgb?

Following my own reads I could see mega or roden being evil.

CheekyTeeky wrote:Wait is Dwlee pocketing Nero?

Whatever it takes for you to keep Nero around a bit.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #901 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:17 am

Nero vig shot gamma when?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #932 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:42 am

I always ask Nero that because in my first game back on site he was a vigilante and before he died said who he would kill if he were a vigilante.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #936 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:49 am

In post 933, Gamma Emerald wrote:okay
I kinda wonder why I'm d2, who's a more pressing shot than me rn?

He was an even night vigilante that game.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #997 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:52 am

If t3 wagon won't happen I am convinced by Nero's case here ftr and willing to kill Gamma ftr.

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:01 am

In post 999, T3 wrote:
In post 997, Dwlee99 wrote:If t3 wagon won't happen I am convinced by Nero's case here ftr and willing to kill Gamma ftr.
*blinded by scumvibes*

I'm okay with more than one wagon unlike you cause you're EVIL

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:46 am

STD I'll accept your read on me as legitimate as long as you don't say the word "meta."

Gamma's read on STD is bad also. I think he is town.

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:52 am

Gamma I think you're being trolled

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1228 (isolation #29) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:02 pm

I think t3 is trying to distance from buddies / do WIFOM with how much his votes have been flipping around lately.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1281 (isolation #30) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:11 pm

I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1289 (isolation #31) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:37 pm

In post 1288, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1281, Dwlee99 wrote:extremely accurate meta scum read
Convince us.

Oh so it's enough for t3 but I can't say it?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1313 (isolation #32) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:16 pm

In post 1290, Gamma Emerald wrote:This is the second time to my noting that you've been open to a meta point (my first one I noticed being when you took my Nero meta in mind). Despite this you think meta is trash. Are you like Reck who thinks meta is trash the way most people use it?

When did I take your Nero meta in mind?

My post about meta scumreading t3 was because all t3 has done this game is go "something something meta {town/scum} cause meta"

And that's scummy

And I'm confused why people took me seriously

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1315 (isolation #33) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:18 pm

In post 1301, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 1281, Dwlee99 wrote:I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.
M E T A

For real though what's your actual case on T3? Since it's definitely not solely based in meta

Well he has done nothing but bad meta read people and hop onto twenty wagons. I'm typically a bit wagon hoppy but the way t3 is doing it makes me think he is trying to muddy any associatives that occur when he flips, and his vote hopping is flailing-adjacent.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1319 (isolation #34) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:21 pm

Also t3 said something about meta walling Nero a bunch of pages ago and still has done nothing. Now he 180s on Nero and why? Probably because Nero isn't happening today and it looks bad to be there. If he had an actual meta reason to scumread Nero I feel like he would have said anything about it other than something about post counts (which then turned into something about Nero walls iirc)

T3 is BSing us

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1320 (isolation #35) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:22 pm

In post 582, Dwlee99 wrote:@Norwee it's probably cause I've mentally decided on who I want to die today and that is blocking other stuff

Also I said the thing about not dragging this out 30 days ago

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1325 (isolation #36) » Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:28 pm

Oh one last thing before I maybe don't check for the night, vigilante shoot testa if you can. Thanks.

Pedit: I think I covered that in 1319

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1465 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:36 am

VOTE: Gamma

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1469 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:04 am

In post 1468, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I honestly think T3 is a bit scummier, but if Gamma flips town we can just do him tommorow so i'm not that against this.

Agreed. Also good with killing mega

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1529 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:30 am

VOTE: T3

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:38 am

In post 1554, T3 wrote:F
VOTE: t3
I still don't know what I did wrong...

Why me...

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:46 am

That reminds me, I need to make something

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:02 am

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1602 (isolation #43) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:14 pm

Stop self-hammering if you're town ffs.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1604 (isolation #44) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:15 pm

In post 1601, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Dwlee99
In post 1281, Dwlee99 wrote:I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.
What was this “extremely accurate” tell?

Did you read the posts that followed this? This was addressed

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1606 (isolation #45) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:15 pm

I'd say that not reading the context and jumping to conclusions on random stuff is scummy but I see town do it a lot

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1613 (isolation #46) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:18 pm

In post 1607, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1604, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1601, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Dwlee99
In post 1281, Dwlee99 wrote:I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.
What was this “extremely accurate” tell?
Did you read the posts that followed this? This was addressed
There is blood on your hands. Why shouldn't we speed lynch you?

Meme?n

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1615 (isolation #47) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:20 pm

In post 1590, Dwlee99 wrote:

If serious, here is why I should never be eliminated.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1621 (isolation #48) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:22 pm

In post 1619, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually that’s one of the core reasons you SHOULD be eliminated
Your play feels like you’re trying very hard to pocket Nero

But look at my official pin

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1623 (isolation #49) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:22 pm

Have you ever seen scum with an official Nero Fan Club #1 Fan pin? I didn't think so

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1629 (isolation #50) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:24 pm

For a real answer: you were in 233, albeit not at the same time as Nero, but playing off Nero has proven to be good when he is town and I think he is town here.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1632 (isolation #51) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:25 pm

VOTE: Cheeky
Why Norwee?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1634 (isolation #52) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:26 pm

But where is my PT

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1640 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:28 pm

Anyway, if you're town I expect you to actually try to figure out why Norwee instead of just asking the question to look townie and then ignoring that you asked it.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1645 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:29 pm

In post 1635, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not when Nero is pushing shitty wrong reads I’d say

Typically he doesn't

Well it's like half and half but that's better than me.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1647 (isolation #55) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:30 pm

In post 1642, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1640, Dwlee99 wrote:Anyway, if you're town I expect you to actually try to figure out why Norwee instead of just asking the question to look townie and then ignoring that you asked it.
Your expectations can kids my butt.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1649 (isolation #56) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:31 pm

Cheeky nooo you're picking quotes from the middle of the day I really don't like that.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1658 (isolation #57) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:35 pm

In post 1655, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1649, Dwlee99 wrote:Cheeky nooo you're picking quotes from the middle of the day I really don't like that.
Feel free to provide better quotes from Norwee.

LQ already did.

But middle of the day posts are irrelevant and look like you're trying to paint a narrative

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1660 (isolation #58) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:38 pm

How am I chainsawing

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1665 (isolation #59) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:40 pm

In post 1662, CheekyTeeky wrote:I vote DTS and you voted me then piled shade onto me every post since. Just chill a bit.

I voted you for your "why Norwee" thing followed by nothing about it and your middle of the day quotes are bad so I'm calling it out.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1667 (isolation #60) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:41 pm

Like what makes you think those specific quotes matter as opposed to the ones that norwee had at the end of the day?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1668 (isolation #61) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:41 pm

In post 1666, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1645, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1635, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not when Nero is pushing shitty wrong reads I’d say
Typically he doesn't

Well it's like half and half but that's better than me.
My reads are mostly a mixed bag but I'm still a pretty solid player but I don't get the respect that other players get.

And then players like t3 and such throw me off. Tbf I went a long time not thinking t3 was scum but towards the end I sorta thought he could be

T3 should have flipped red

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1671 (isolation #62) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:42 pm

VOTE: Cheeky
VOTE: Cheeky
VOTE: Cheeky
VOTE: Cheeky

That's hammer

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1672 (isolation #63) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:42 pm

VOTE: Cheeky

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1673 (isolation #64) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:43 pm

Okay I need to get off for the night, I am not completely with it right now

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1675 (isolation #65) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:43 pm

VOTE: Mega
Parting gift

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1771 (isolation #66) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:52 pm

Mega/Arc???/Cyrus !!!

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1795 (isolation #67) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:37 pm

In post 1780, Roden wrote:Dwlee made a few opportunistic wagon hops and is acting way more assertive than their usual town self.

And no Dwlee this isn't meta, it's a vibe check, so you can't get mad.

That's literally meta

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1797 (isolation #68) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:39 pm

My playstyle varies. Also "opportunistic wagon hopping" is just not true. Yesterday I RVS voted, was the first one on T3, was on Gamma for a bit, then got back into T3.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1827 (isolation #69) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:17 am

DGB I am on the edge of my seat

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1828 (isolation #70) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:17 am

In post 1822, DrippingGoofball wrote:My action was successful but

Also I'm confused how you know this

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1833 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:30 am

Are you also a checker? That isn't how NRG works on loyal.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1834 (isolation #72) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:30 am

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1836 (isolation #73) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:33 am

Kitty -- on 1835

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1838 (isolation #74) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:37 am

1835 was bad posting

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1848 (isolation #75) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:41 am

In post 1839, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Are you also a checker? That isn't how NRG works on loyal.
I received no acknowledgement of my action, I thought the mod might have made a mistake, so I asked.

You remind me of scum!MathBlade casting doubt on my cop-guilty result in another game. Are you scum, Dwlee?

The mod can't tell you if your action succeeded, only if it was received.

I'm not "casting doubt" I'm getting clarification because the way you described it is not how it works. If you knew your action succeeded it goes to a hard guilty instead of a soft guilty (cause the action could have been roleblocked)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1854 (isolation #76) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:05 am

In post 1849, ArcAngel9 wrote:Your slot was reading scum. Did you read the day 1 so far?

I don't understand

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1870 (isolation #77) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:48 am

In post 1869, Shrek wrote:besides me everyone on null or scum is a ‘weak or inactive player’

Hey wtf

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1890 (isolation #78) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:46 am

In post 1888, Nero Cain wrote:Weak

NO

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1912 (isolation #79) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:57 am

In post 1906, Nero Cain wrote:Seems kinda iffy to me that the mod already made the pt and was just going to add someone later but I'm pretty excited to know who you have a presumed inno on

That's how neighborizing works normally. Typically you can post thoughts in it before anyone else is even added (like mini 2216 with t3's neighborhood)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1915 (isolation #80) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:09 am

You might be right different mods do differently.

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:31 am

Loyal/disloyal have been a thing for three years now

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:01 am

VOTE: Cyrus
I guess this isn't getting vigged so it is death time

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1976 (isolation #83) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:13 pm

Why is Cyrus not scumreading me? What is happening

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2035 (isolation #84) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:27 pm

In post 2018, Roden wrote:Dwlee had no response to my read on them besides "that's meta" and "I didn't hop wagons" which uh, isn't a particularly solid rebuttal.

So are you scum

That was your case but I don't expect you to remember if you're red.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2061 (isolation #85) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:02 pm

In post 2058, Roden wrote:
In post 2035, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2018, Roden wrote:Dwlee had no response to my read on them besides "that's meta" and "I didn't hop wagons" which uh, isn't a particularly solid rebuttal.
So are you scum

That was your case but I don't expect you to remember if you're red.
I'm not scum. Do you think I am?

Ngl if I had a red PM you'd be the first NK. Nothing against you personally, but we've butted heads in the other two games we had, and I wouldn't keep someone around who I know is going to scum read me and is generally difficult to vote out.

I don't get why you framed my rebuttal as "not a rebuttal" when your case was a meta tell + wagon hopping. What am I not rebutting?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2065 (isolation #86) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:49 pm

In post 2063, Roden wrote:I don't really consider it a meta tell tbh, it's vibes. It feels like you're a lot more assertive this game and you don't seem content with just sheeping Nero. The wagon hopping is something Gamma actually mentioned first, but I thought was worth mentioning since you had the safe middle of the pack votes when you were wagon hopping.

The wagon hopping looks bad specifically because you were on Gamma, who was going to be the Day 1 elim, and then told everyone to hop on T3's wagon after claiming he was scum due to an accurate meta tell. Which, yeah, that was obviously completely wrong now and comes off as scummy since you notably hate meta.

More assertive (implied: than other games)

That's a meta tell

And you just completely ignored what I told you: I didn't wagon hop. I was on two people seriously all of last day phase and it went first vote on t3 --> middle gamma --> middle t3.

And you are also the umpteenth person to have ignored multiple posts that the "accurate meta tell" was an obvious joke.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2067 (isolation #87) » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:15 pm

In post 1281, Dwlee99 wrote:I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.

In post 1289, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1288, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1281, Dwlee99 wrote:extremely accurate meta scum read
Convince us.
Oh so it's enough for t3 but I can't say it?

In post 1313, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1290, Gamma Emerald wrote:This is the second time to my noting that you've been open to a meta point (my first one I noticed being when you took my Nero meta in mind). Despite this you think meta is trash. Are you like Reck who thinks meta is trash the way most people use it?
When did I take your Nero meta in mind?

My post about meta scumreading t3 was because all t3 has done this game is go "something something meta {town/scum} cause meta"

And that's scummy

And I'm confused why people took me seriously

Yes I am assertive sometimes. This is a thing that happens

"Going back and forth" no, just wrong. You are forcing this

I said it was a joke two posts after it, if people can't read that is not my fault.

Your entire read here seems forced and made up and you keep doubling down on it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2077 (isolation #88) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:07 am

Roden you're just completely out of reality here and Shrek explained why. Also just... Read my posts. Why I scumread t3 was said multiple times. Gamma said I middle of the pack voted is like technically true so whatever, you're arguing I was opportunistically wagon hopping (and quoted three votes... two of which were "on a wagon" technically??) but is not "opportunistically wagon hopping* and I'm finding it hard to come up with the words to explain why.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2078 (isolation #89) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:09 am

Also re: the assertive thing... you said me being assertive was scummy. That's why I'm "defensive??" about it

Except, I just told you that meta bad and that it's also not even part of my meta to be assertive or not as scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2113 (isolation #90) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:53 am

VOTE: Mega

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2197 (isolation #91) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:28 pm

In post 2152, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1848, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1839, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Are you also a checker? That isn't how NRG works on loyal.
I received no acknowledgement of my action, I thought the mod might have made a mistake, so I asked.

You remind me of scum!MathBlade casting doubt on my cop-guilty result in another game. Are you scum, Dwlee?
The mod can't tell you if your action succeeded, only if it was received.

I'm not "casting doubt" I'm getting clarification because the way you described it is not how it works. If you knew your action succeeded it goes to a hard guilty instead of a soft guilty (cause the action could have been roleblocked)
Still think this is dodgy.

Or, DGB clearly was not acting like it knew how its role worked.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2202 (isolation #92) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:31 pm

In post 2134, CheekyTeeky wrote:If red go Kitty if green go Dwlee

Not following how green mega flip implicates me?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2208 (isolation #93) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:36 pm

In post 2204, LicketyQuickety wrote:DGB said that because the PT was already created (on the 7th) that they didn't know that their action went through. Then they got a result saying that their action went through. So DGB thought they had a guilty at first and then said they confirmed me as Town. Or so goes the story.

But that isn't how loyal works. You're not informed of if it goes through or not and for what reasons. DGB was saying the action "went through" (ie not roleblocked) but that it "failed" (loyal modifier blocked it) but loyal blocking it and roleblocks blocking it are indistinguishable.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2212 (isolation #94) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:38 pm

In post 2206, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2202, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2134, CheekyTeeky wrote:If red go Kitty if green go Dwlee
Not following how green mega flip implicates me?
It doesn't directly but if we flip him you're the most suss double green Wagoner imo.

But no actually

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2213 (isolation #95) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:38 pm

In post 2211, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 2208, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2204, LicketyQuickety wrote:DGB said that because the PT was already created (on the 7th) that they didn't know that their action went through. Then they got a result saying that their action went through. So DGB thought they had a guilty at first and then said they confirmed me as Town. Or so goes the story.
But that isn't how loyal works. You're not informed of if it goes through or not and for what reasons. DGB was saying the action "went through" (ie not roleblocked) but that it "failed" (loyal modifier blocked it) but loyal blocking it and roleblocks blocking it are indistinguishable.
And then they said that it worked (didn't fail).

Honestly, the whole DGB thing is super WIFOMy. It resolves itself at this point. Either DGB or I die tonight.

Okay but aren't you voting it? I'm confused.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2216 (isolation #96) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:40 pm

Arc seems townie for her right now which maybe is scummy for her lol

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2237 (isolation #97) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:03 pm

Cheeky has so many bad takes I want to scumread

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2244 (isolation #98) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:09 pm

In post 2240, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2237, Dwlee99 wrote:Cheeky has so many bad takes I want to scumread
Go eat some ice cream, the big boys are talking.

All I have here is brownie

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2249 (isolation #99) » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:12 pm

I've seen scum neighborizer do this EXACT play before ftr. In Yggdrasil, Something_Smart was disloyal neighborizer and fake claimed loyal neighborizer. I feel like the way DGB approached its claim mostly benefits it if it is scum, but it's also possible it is just them derping.

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:15 pm

In post 2251, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 2245, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 2234, Nero Cain wrote:Hey lq, was there anything in the pt B4 u joined?
I honestly couldn't tell you that. IDK, post#0 says that the PT is for me and DGB.
But Post #1 says "LicketyQuickety joins" and it's in green letters.

This is borderline btw

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:16 pm

In post 2257, CheekyTeeky wrote:I knew it! See LQ you derpface..

Scum scum scum scum

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:19 pm

DGB why did you claim your power role I thought that was a no-no.

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:56 pm

The answer is yes. Killing happens at the end of NAR and people trying to confirm this are ruffling my feathers because I feel like you're trying to dumbtell this

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:57 pm

DGB target me because I don't want to deal with being the mislim tomorrow if mega flips green and I am still yet to be nightkilled by someone who knows I'm town since I came back to the site (wow I'm bad at this town thing aren't I)

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:58 pm

I've been nightkilled by a vigilante on replace in, didn't even post in the thread. Nightkilled by a different scum faction (who I guess thought I was town? at least?). And nightkilled by Nero thinking I was scum. Just let me die

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:21 pm

In post 2327, Nero Cain wrote:He's the president of my fan club

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:48 am

Hello monkey1

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:55 am

I just want to know who is evil

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:38 am

Why would you be 2-shot AND even-night? Does this game even last to day 6?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:39 am

Pretty sure that claim is bullshit but if we want to force them to watch DGB we can.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:47 am

In post 2412, Save The Dragons wrote:why don't we just fricken massclaim at this point

Uh no

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:48 am

In post 2413, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 2406, Dwlee99 wrote:Why would you be 2-shot AND even-night? Does this game even last to day 6?

In post 2407, Dwlee99 wrote:Pretty sure that claim is bullshit but if we want to force them to watch DGB we can.
I mean just based on numbers it could last through D6 right? And watcher has the potential to be really strong during the end game

Yes it could but even-night is already an extremely hard nerf to the role.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:11 am

In post 2428, Nero Cain wrote:I would like for the ppl not voting Cyrus to explain to me how someone that says "if I get ran up I'll self hammer" is a town thing to say

Apparently town just do that now

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:28 am

Yea I think watch DGB, and then if no one added to hood there is either a guilty/inno or scum in Mega/DGB.

I don't know who I want to vote though.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:31 am

Yes, what about it?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:32 am

Yes... and?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:37 am

This day phase homie

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:39 am

The whole post is saying we are going to let that resolve for tomorrow

Then I say I don't know who I want to vote. Not who I would want to vote for future tense. Who I want to vote.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:39 am

Not sure if you don't believe me?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:41 am

If you think I'm scum for not wanting to kill Cyrus cause he is my buddy why would you flip me first

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:44 am

I'll probably end up on Cyrus but STD has a point it is like day one and I don't buy that Cyrus being suicidal is him being scum because he just plays like that. It gives me reminders of the Chrono trigger game that just ended and test was scummy but I just don't feel good as good about flipping him as I do mega cause mega's claim is BS.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:44 am

I asked for that slot vigged, don't think I make sense as scum buddies with Cyrus.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:46 am

Maybe he townreads me this game and this game to try to set up false associatives with me? That's the best I've got for why I think Cyrus' specific play this game is scummy. Every other time I've been in a game with him he makes sure to tell everyone to look out for me

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:52 am

VOTE: Cyrus
Sure, whatever. Mega tomorrow once again?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:52 am

Cheeky that explanation is bad and we both know it is bad

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:53 am

He may have said it when he was scum last game I was with him in but I forget.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:10 am

Does Cyrus scum hunt as town? :monocle:

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:58 am

What about me?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:08 am

As a meme song maybe. Also it's insane that that was directed by Tessa Violet, I like her music.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:09 pm

I remember when self-voting was universally seen as anti-town except at deadline.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:19 pm

Roden bothered me earlier so I don't mind that there is pressure there

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:33 pm

No, you bothered me because your case was bad.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:33 pm

And then you doubled down on it^

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:52 pm

In post 2562, Roden wrote:
In post 2546, Dwlee99 wrote:No, you bothered me because your case was bad.

In post 2547, Dwlee99 wrote:And then you doubled down on it^
You always say my case is bad but when other people say the exact same shit you just shrug it off and meme response. I wasn't even gunning for you, all I said was why you're in my current scum pool and gave what are, to me at least, legitimate reasons. If you're joking about a meta read then sorry, it did not come off as a joke to me because you were voting for the guy you said you meta'd.

I said don't vote T3 off Day 1 because he'll sort himself right from the start and got completely ignored on that. So yeah I'm a little bitter that people are getting a free pass on that but suddenly I need "pressure" even though I'm supposedly a town read and was 100% right Day 1. It's almost an exact repeat of Chrono Trigger with Kyouko and AW and it's frustrating.

But people AREN'T saying what you did.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:35 pm

But Roden those were different. Gamma didn't say I was opportunistic vote hopping, lickety acknowledged it was a joke, I don't remember you saying I was pocketing Nero, I don't remember you saying anything about me and STD, and idk what lickety was saying in the last one

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:38 pm

Cyrus why do you do this.

Scum or town it just is not good to self destruct (which I think I've seen you do almost every game now, the one exception being the multiball large that just ended).

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:42 pm

No he did. He claimed his whole word salad of a role.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:17 pm

In post 2599, Roden wrote:Dwlee I'm gonna put it this way. I've got a shot in the chamber, and trying to gaslight me was not the play.

Have fun bringing us one closer to ELO

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:17 pm

You said dumb shit and you're mad I pointed it out. Not my problem if that's the route you want to go with it.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:21 pm

Also ffs you better be novice because correct play is shooting test slot N1.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:24 pm

You and me both Roden, you and me both.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:49 pm

I vote kitty. Angel towntelled a bit

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:56 pm

I'm in a hood now

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:10 pm

Oh I lied about being in the hood as a gambit to make scum night kill me. If DGB is actually disloyal then we yeet em.

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:29 pm

Shrek should full claim.

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:36 pm

Do we think STD died protecting someone or?

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:36 pm

In post 2698, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why the hell would scum roleblock a mason?

If they rolecopped you maybe?

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:40 pm

If STD was protecting DGB then it is conf town now soo

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:41 pm

Anyway now that I'm townbloc maybe someone will put me out of my misery now.

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:01 pm

Shrek did you get no result or no action?

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:02 pm

They are not the same.

No result = action failed (rolestopper or ascetic or blocked etc.)

"Your target did not visit anyone" = what it sayd

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:03 pm

Says*

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:07 pm

I think there is confirmed scum in Shrek and DGB and I'll explain later

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:08 pm

Also the didn't perform an action vs no result thing happens to town all the time, see LN 233 Anya Voyeur result. Be back later

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:31 pm

OKAY, the explanation y'all have been waiting for:

First, assume DGB is town because if we don't then we have scum in DGB/Shrek. Now we have three claimed no results on DGB's slot. That means DGB is ascetic or was rolestopped. If the first then our assumption DGB was town is wrong, and if rolestopped then DGB was not roleblocked. Therefore, the loyal modifier would mean Shrek is scum.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:58 am

Can y'all unvote so we don't get a lolhammer before mega claims results?

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:05 am

Oh both could be town if scum alien hmm

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:09 am

DGB's role doesn't give feedback.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:29 am

I could see a scum!tracker trying to figure out who was targeted by DGB and being prevented by a town rolestopper, but town rolestopper seems like a lot of power in addition to the bodyguard.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:31 am

Well DGB was rolestopped or alien'd or is ascetic. If rolestopped, Shrek is scum, if alien'd, Shrek could be town, if ascetic, DGB is evil. I want to know why Shrek targeted DGB here.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:45 am

Roden also claims no result on DGB.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:50 am

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:52 am

Oml cheeky

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:56 am

Cheeky, DGB was made ascetic somehow because Roden also claims no result.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:04 am

Cheeky do you know what a rolestopper does

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:10 am

In post 2834, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2832, Dwlee99 wrote:Cheeky do you know what a rolestopper does
Explain it to me.

It makes the person targeted ascetic and bulletproof for the night.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:12 am

Okay idek anymore

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:12 am

Mega show up challenge?

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:13 am

Directly killed or targeted LQ probably

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:24 am

Alien could explain Shrek being town here but I'm not sure

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:40 am

In post 2858, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2840, Dwlee99 wrote:Directly killed or targeted LQ probably
Who the fuck directly kills StD though

Well he was against both lims on town sooo

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:27 am

If that's true then DGB is ascetic and evil

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:27 am

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:27 am

How did you get a result but cheeky and Shrek didn't

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:29 am

Cause if cheeky and Shrek both didn't get a result then rolestopper but you got a result. So DGB not ascetic or rolestopped?

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:30 am

In post 2875, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 2872, Dwlee99 wrote:If that's true then DGB is ascetic and evil
Yes. Unless you think Cheeky, Shrek, and Mega are all Scum, then DGB is just Scum here and didn't use their NA last night.

But if DGB is ascetic then mega shouldn't get a result.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:09 am

Shrek can't be a rolestopper. Shrek also claimed no result, not your target didn't visit anyone.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:09 am

Wait, Cheeky got no result. Mega claims Cheeky visited DGB. Mega has to be lying about cheeky visiting or Cheeky is lying about no result, because if Cheeky was roleblocked she can't visit DGB and if DGB was rolestopped Mega couldn't see Cheeky visiting.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:09 am

So we definitely lim in mega/cheeky.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:13 am

Yea what uhhh

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:13 am

And cheeky you claimed you got a no result. I'm confused.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:15 am

Action failing is the same as no result I'm fivehead

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:20 am

Action failed is different in what way from no result?

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:23 am

In post 3034, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3029, Dwlee99 wrote:Action failed is different in what way from no result?
Action failed is RB. No Result is anything else.

No. No result is what's given on a roleblock. Read the normal guidelines

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:23 am

"Action failed" just isn't a thing.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:24 am

Or if it is, it's the same as no result. There's no differentiation is what I mean.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:25 am

No result

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:26 am

In post 3041, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2997, Dwlee99 wrote:So we definitely lim in mega/cheeky.
So what happened to my Shrek target then?

Cheeky could have roleblocked you?

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:27 am

In post 3044, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 3038, Dwlee99 wrote:"Action failed" just isn't a thing.
Yeah it is a thing, specific to my role which means either I was RB'd or DGB ascetic which I don't think they are due to Shrek/mega claims and STD death.

You couldn't have been roleblocked if you were seen visiting DGB. So either mega is lying or cheeky is lying.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:27 am

VOTE: Mega

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:27 am

In post 3046, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3041, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2997, Dwlee99 wrote:So we definitely lim in mega/cheeky.
So what happened to my Shrek target then?
Cheeky could have roleblocked you?

Or mega ftr

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:29 am

I'd say the scum team doesn't understand how actions resolve to allow mega to claim seeing Cheeky visit DGB there (and narrow down scum) but that is like the entire game apparently.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:30 am

Yea so actually, either Shrek AND cheeky are lying about no result or mega is lying and I think it is easy to realize it is mega so get em.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:36 am

Mega first cause it's possible Mega is roleblocker or something. Although I think Shrek is still probably scum for the no result claim?

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:37 am

If Mega is telling the truth then Shrek AND cheeky are scum so we always kill mega first.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:48 am

So Shrek claimed they got the "your action failed" PM, not the "your target did not visit anyone" PM. Cheeky claimed the same thing, that her action failed, not that DGB didn't visit anyone. There is no way that Cheeky AND Shrek visited DGB and got no result without DGB being ascetic (or them having unclaimed action modifiers). But if DGB is ascetic, Mega couldn't have received the result that was claimed.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:49 am

In post 3078, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3077, CheekyTeeky wrote:Fine. But LQ has to stop going on about DGB being scum which Shrek flip would've put to bed.

VOTE: MegA
Cheeky... You would not get a result if DGB didn't use a NA. It does not mean that your action failed. In fact, it Shrek is Town, then this confirms that Mega is also Town. But if we lynch Mega and they flip Town, then that says nothing about DGB.

I feel like you're misunderstanding how "your action failed" PMs differ from "your target did not visit anyone" PMs.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:50 am

In post 3082, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3025, CheekyTeeky wrote:My target N2 was DGB so from my PoV it makes sense if Shrek visited DGB to NK them and STD protected DGB and MegA is scum with a fake claim.
@Dwlee

Spoiler:
Who is scum from my perspective?

No one is confirmed scum from your perspective.

Dwlee99 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:53 am

If mega is town then Cheeky and Shrek are both caught scum. So we should kill Mega first. Please