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[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can't read too much into things yet.
FancyPants only posted once.
MegAzumaril has a point. Second line of my post could imply a joke. Post was explained as gut-based already though.
Greeting calls Enchant's second post their entry post.
Patersons objection seems like the kind of entry point I'd make as scum when seeing a town accusing another town while making an easy to spot mistake.

Me reading too much into this post: This post seems to be coming from a town player.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can't read too much into things yet.
FancyPants only posted once.
MegAzumaril has a point. Second line of my post could imply a joke. Post was explained as gut-based already though.
Greeting calls Enchant's second post their entry post.
Patersons objection seems like the kind of entry point I'd make as scum when seeing a town accusing another town while making an easy to spot mistake.

Me reading too much into this post: This post seems to be coming from a town player.

Pocket accepted.

Had the thought cross my mind that someone named bugspray has to roll mafia more often than average.

VOTE: bugspray

Reading too much into this post: This post seems to be coming from a town player.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fredrick A Campbell's First Unofficial Votecount
Accurate up to Post 21

Firebringer (1): PookyTheMagicalBear,
Crescent (1): FancyPants,
Lowell (1): UNOwen,
Dwlee99 (1): MegAzumarill,
UNOwen (1): Vivax,
FancyPants (0):
Vivax (0):
MalcolmTucker (0):
Greeting (0):
Fredrick A Campbell (0):
bugspray (0):
PookyTheMagicalBear (0):
Enchant (0):
geraintm (0):
Prince of Paterson (0):
Andante (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting (12): MalcolmTucker, Greeting, Firebringer, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99, Crescent, Lowell, bugspray, Enchant, geraintm, Prince of Paterson, Andante,

With 17 in the jury, it takes 9 to find guilty of conspiracy to murder.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-22 23:00:00)

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[Fredrick A Campbell]

HAAHAHAHAHHA I FINALLY A GOT A TOWN ROLE PM IN A DATISI GAME BE JEALOUS EVERYONE

Me reading too much into more posts: Post from a town player

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fredrick A Campbell's Second Unofficial Votecount
Accurate up to Post 27

Continued from Fredrick A Campbell's First Unoffical Votecount

Firebringer (1): PookyTheMagicalBear,
Crescent (1): FancyPants,
Dwlee99 (1): MegAzumarill,
MegAzumarill (1): Vivax,
Vivax (1): UNOwen,
Lowell (0):
UNOwen (0):
FancyPants (0):
MalcolmTucker (0):
Greeting (0):
Fredrick A Campbell (0):
bugspray (0):
PookyTheMagicalBear (0):
Enchant (0):
geraintm (0):
Prince of Paterson (0):
Andante (0):

Not Voting (12): MalcolmTucker, Greeting, Firebringer, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99, Crescent, Lowell, bugspray, Enchant, geraintm, Prince of Paterson, Andante,

With 17 in the jury, it takes 9 to find guilty of conspiracy to murder.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-22 23:00:00)

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[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fredrick A Campbell's Third Unofficial Votecount
Accurate up to Post 40

Continued from Fredrick A Campbell's Second Unoffical Votecount

Firebringer (1): PookyTheMagicalBear,
Crescent (1): FancyPants,
Dwlee99 (1): MegAzumarill,
Vivax (1): UNOwen,
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): Fredrick A Campbell,
Enchant (1): Greeting,
Greeting (1): Prince of Paterson,
MegAzumarill (0):
Lowell (0):
UNOwen (0):
FancyPants (0):
MalcolmTucker (0):
Fredrick A Campbell (0):
bugspray (0):
geraintm (0):
Prince of Paterson (0):
Andante (0):

Not Voting (10): MalcolmTucker, Firebringer, Dwlee99, Crescent, Lowell, bugspray, Enchant, geraintm, Andante, Vivax,

With 17 in the jury, it takes 9 to find guilty of conspiracy to murder.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-22 23:00:00)

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[Fredrick A Campbell]

And I missed Lowell's vote because he didn't put a colon. Accurate only up till post 38 for the third votecount

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Posts 21 and 22 suggest that MegAzumarill and Vivax are not both mafia.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Mod:

PookyTheMagicalBear is voting Firebringer
FancyPants is voting Crescent
MegAzumarill is voting Dwlee99

Error in VoteCount Settings link section: Day 1: Post #23

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Unaccounted Votes Since Mod's Last Votecount:
Lowell (1): UNOwen (10),
UNOwen (1): Vivax (15),
MegAzumarill (1): Vivax (22),
Vivax (1): UNOwen (26),
Not Voting (11): Vivax (28),

[Fredrick A Campbell]

UNOwen (26) is still voting Vivax and so is accounted for.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: UNOwen

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Posts 21 and 22 suggest that MegAzumarill and Vivax are not both mafia.

Why?

Posts 21 to 22

I don't think this interaction is between two mafia members.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 4 - Town
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Post 171) suggests not both are mafia

UNOwen
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

Vivax
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia
Vote hopping - Non Alignment Indicative
Post 33 - Town
Post 41 - Town
Interaction with UNOwen (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

MegAzumarill
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Andante town

Goodbye

Why do you think so?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Posts 168 and 169

Is it Lowell time yet? Who we killin?

Nevermind I see it.

VOTE: meg

This is an ISO read of someone who wanted to have a fun game but is disappointed to have drawn scum.

Malcolm also a good vote. Chipping at the edges of ideas without ideas.

Context, 25 posts from this game starting at post 168 by Lowell
What did you see, Lowell?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

mfw Vivax complains no-one's reading my posts but clearly hasn't read them properly himself

I don't think that is what Vivax is complaining about. Below is what Vivax is complaining about instead.

Spoiler: post 106

Why do you not believe that I had a good reason to find your entrance worth a vote? The last game we played in together you used the same and I didn't know if it was a standard opener of yours.

It's the idea that you didn't know the reason for your vote until Crescent pointed it out that I don't believe.

That's all you're still working with?
To me it seems like a natural way of thinking:
See thing that somehow pings you for pure gut reasons. Get pointed out that the one who pinged you did the same opener as mafia in the previous game. Conclude that maybe that's why it pinged me because of the latent memory.

It seems like a secondary issue to get hung on at this point in the game.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 126

Why does it seem more likely?

Because the alternative is you got spooked by "hello everyone".

Tell me what his post looks like to you and I’ll answer.

Suspicious attempt at saying "don't expect much from me".

Was post 126 telling Vivax what you think geraintm's post looks like to you?

Postscript: post 124 for more context.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

The above is to UNOwen

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Post 122
I just found an even more concise reason why Vivax thinks UNOwen is mafia.

TL;DR: Owen is mafia because it flew over his head how many people who are most likely town did scummy, nonsensical or lazy stuff to attract the reaction he’s displaying now.

It appears UNOwen is not reading Vivax's posts instead of the other way round.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 172

PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 4 - Town
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Post 171) suggests not both are mafia

UNOwen
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

Vivax
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia
Vote hopping - Non Alignment Indicative
Post 33 - Town
Post 41 - Town
Interaction with UNOwen (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

MegAzumarill
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia

I'm so glad in a 17p game you're partner reading off of 100 posts.. that is going to be so helpful day 1. is this how you always play?

Yes, but I usually keep these notes to myself. Only posted it because of how much was happening. Since you've taken an interest in it, any ideas of your own?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Like honestly, can we just lim frred THEN start trying to play the game? I don't like this gimmick. it's hard to read in a sense, and it's just flat out annoying

Are you suggesting all the posts I've made is a gimmick?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 284

PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 4 - Town
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Post 171) suggests not both are mafia

UNOwen
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

Vivax
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia
Vote hopping - Non Alignment Indicative
Post 33 - Town
Post 41 - Town
Interaction with UNOwen (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

MegAzumarill
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia

I'm so glad in a 17p game you're partner reading off of 100 posts.. that is going to be so helpful day 1. is this how you always play?

Yes, but I usually keep these notes to myself. Only posted it because of how much was happening. Since you've taken an interest in it, any ideas of your own?

Ok you posted it, but like, at this point how is anyone supposed to use it? and you just kinda dropped it like "here's my reads" and that was it... there's no conclusion to draw from it?

Conclusions were in the post, namely, PookyTheMagicalBear and Vivax are town, MegAzumarill is not Mafia with PookyTheMagicalBear and Vivax, and Vivax is not Mafia with UNOwen.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 289

PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 4 - Town
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Post 171) suggests not both are mafia

UNOwen
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

Vivax
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia
Vote hopping - Non Alignment Indicative
Post 33 - Town
Post 41 - Town
Interaction with UNOwen (Posts 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests not both are mafia

MegAzumarill
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia

I'm so glad in a 17p game you're partner reading off of 100 posts.. that is going to be so helpful day 1. is this how you always play?

Yes, but I usually keep these notes to myself. Only posted it because of how much was happening. Since you've taken an interest in it, any ideas of your own?

Ok you posted it, but like, at this point how is anyone supposed to use it? and you just kinda dropped it like "here's my reads" and that was it... there's no conclusion to draw from it?

Conclusions were in the post, namely, PookyTheMagicalBear and Vivax are town, MegAzumarill is not Mafia with PookyTheMagicalBear and Vivax, and Vivax is not Mafia with UNOwen.

You'd be confident in calling Pooky town at this point in time?

Actually, no.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fred could easily be scum, his commentary so far has been pretty shallow and doesn't suggest he's actually given things much thought (see also 179 which asks Lowell a question pretty obviously answered in context).

Post 179
Post 200
Yup, it is so obvious two players decided to ask the same question.

Tonal note: The above sentence is sacarstic.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Dear Enchant,

Please provide some thoughts on some players.

Yours sincerely,
Fredrick A Campbell.

VOTE: Enchant

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fred why won't you vote for Meg?

I would vote for MegAzumarill if I have an idea of why MegAzumarill is being voted and I consider the reason warranted to vote MegAzumarill.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 189

Was post 126 telling Vivax what you think geraintm's post looks like to you?

Postscript: post 124 for more context.

Spoiler: image

Spoiler:

yes

Dear Vivax,

Now that UNOwen has stated unambiguously that post 126 was saying what geraintm's post looks like to UNOwen's self, would you care to clarify post 103.

Yours sincerely,
Fredrick A Campbell.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Dear Enchant,

Please provide some thoughts on some players.

Yours sincerely,
Fredrick A Campbell.

VOTE: Enchant

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Either way, on what players?

Anyone you wish

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What is tmi?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: FancyPants

post 334 has a point.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Dear Lowell,

Andante and I have questioned you regarding post 169. The questions are kind of similar and are found in posts 179 and 200.

Your response or lack thereof will have consequences.

Yours sincerely,
Fredrick A Campbell.

Attached: post 168 for context.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: bugspray

[Fredrick A Campbell]

anyway i unironically sr vivax and freddy

Why?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 357

Did a read through. Until now I was on my phone and bluffing, ignore whatever thoughts I had then and take these as real:

4- pooky claims town (I'm buying it, seems like a weird scum move)
20, 21- Meg speculates on roles on and tries to start a battle over nothing (scummy)
30- greeting "jokingly" justifies random vote (scummy)
40, 42- Fred calls vivax town (scummy white-knighting)
46- Fred calls pooky town due to 4 (scummy when he does it)
51, 61, 77- Meg tries to be cute, make friends (scummy)
69- andante rants about nothing (town, doesn't look calculated that's for sure)
72- prince calls enchant town (scum, first post white-knighting?)
88- gerain enters, claims confusion, wishes for speedy death (town, I'm buying)
130- greeting calls all the active players town, two meaningless lurkers scum (scummy low-hanging-fruit chasing)
144- prince votes dwlee (scummy, essentially naked vote on a lurker)
152, 153- prince inserts himself into a fight not about himself, then asks... everyone?... to weigh in on it? (scummy as hell, looking to lead town to nowhere while looking busy)
186- geraintm naked votes leading fred wagon (I like this, fearless)
216- prince joins fred wagon, overexplains (no)
page 11- andante panics (scummy. why?)
339- fred asks me a question from post...169? (nah bruh, why now? and if anything, Fred's meta on me should be that I don't know any of you, so weird question unless one's goal is only to look busy and do nothing)
341-349- crescent spams, has no filter (I like this, not so much as content but as someone who isn't holding back opinions)

Biggest scumread that stands out to me that I didn't notice before is

prince

. Not going to derail the perfectly good

Fred

wagon but if this feckless town chickens out let's do him or

Meg

next.

Andante

looks worse than I remember. Some likely towns are:

gerain, crescent, pooky, vivax

.

Regarding post 339, I was asking for a response to post 179 and post 200, not asking a freshly minted question regarding that post.

In post 357 you said:

Not going to derail the perfectly good

Fred

wagon but if this feckless town chickens out let's do him or

Meg

next.

Who are you referring to as "this feckless town"?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 343

Fred's ISO kinda just makes me want to punch him, but that just appears to be his thing. "Neat."

I'd like to hear some reasoning behind why people are townreading Enchant, because I feel like they've gotten a few random casual town reads and this ISO is almost void of actual content.

Malcolm's new stuff is just post #321.. Which just leads me right into Gera's ISO.

I find it confusing that he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification. I want him to walk me through his thought process here.

I'm townreading Enchant for post 320.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Can someone explain why UNOwens slot gets treated by the game like a priviliged one’s? There’s an almost nonexistant drive to fish for info there.

I agree with you on that. No one wants to vote UNOwen for some reason, though.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Same for Prince’s, but the latter seems more scummy than Owen who could just be an antagonizer

I haven't formed a read on Prince of Paterson yet. Want to help me out?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: UNOwen

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 442

Speaking of Prince, he has notably fallen off a cliff since his vote on Fred. He has

two

posts since then in almost 48 hours. Any good vibes that vote made me feel are all but gone. When he made it, he was feeling proactive. Now he just feels lazy.

Owen still has given zero explanation for his Meg vote (a common theme in this game apparently), and he made it over 24 hours ago. The post before that Meg vote was shading Fred. How does this connect?

Pressuring either of these two is fine.

Don't just say it, do it.

Your vote is nowhere.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I was having a fever. Hope to be back tomorrow.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'm townreading MegAzumarill

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 334

if i had more to say on crescent i would say it. I just read her posts and was like "this person is someone i should look into later"

Why is azumaril wagon bad

Tonal town read on them.

If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon.

To me this feels like tmi that I'm town.
Also dont like the MT vote.
VOTE: Fancypants

I don't believe a player who is Mafia would ask "If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon."

Spoiler: post 337

The idea that someone is only town off "tone" is incompatible with thinking the wagon is bad. Feels like they know my alignment and so they know I flip town.

Firstly, I don't think a mafioso is going to even think about "The idea that someone is only town off "tone" is incompatible with thinking the wagon is bad."

The "Feels like they know my alignment and so they know I flip town." suggests MegAzumarill was thinking about this as town.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: bugspray

Come along, let's pressure this player into giving some opinions.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Oh, I actually don't mind bugspray getting executed.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 592

VOTE: bugspray

Come along, let's pressure this player into giving some opinions.

VOTE: BUGSPRAY

OBVSCUM DIE

VOTE: Bugspray

Disclaimer: Not a scumread, but killing not_mafia or people who could be them is always fun.

did bugspray claim maf? what did I miss?

There is no point keeping a player that is not participating in the game.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

bugspray has had five 24-hour days to attempt to find the mafia. That goes for any other player who hasn't been attempting as well.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, there are still more than 8 days from deadline. Finalising which players we want to execute in the next 6 days.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Pooki, Can you please explain your thought process here?

the jokey nonresponse feels like scum trying to play it cool

like a "hello officer I swear I was not driving 150 mph and that is definitely not whiskey you smell on my breath"

I think I've lost some context here. Can someone point me to which post(s) PookyTheMagicalBear is talking about?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Forgot to mention the next 24 hours are going to be a little hectic. Probably going to be online for a short while after 22-24 hours, then be back after another 17-19 hours.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Is this the part where we all pretend to be concerned about a D1 quick-hammer that has literally never happened?

Disagree on the "literally never happened" part.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'm kind of thinking the reason I was townreading PookyTheMagicalBear is useless due to WIFOM.

Posting this before I sleep.

Will look through my notes tomorrow.

Off the top of my head, Crescent and bugspray I currently townread.

Vivax did something that caught my attention but I don't quite remember.

That's all I have to say, but there will surely be more.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Remember now. Vivax mentioned more in the mafia thread or something like that. After that is when all his nonsensical posting started

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 862

I'm kind of thinking the reason I was townreading PookyTheMagicalBear is useless due to WIFOM.

I don't know if this was intended to be a dumbtell, but I am having trouble believing that someone who early on was reading carefully enough to be noting down interactions as non-partnered and correcting the mod on votecounts would not notice who the nightkill was.

VOTE: Fredrick

I agree with Crescent's thoughts so far for the most part. I think it's fine to trust her as town for now. I expect that she is a pretty good scum player who would be willing and able to control the game, but I think especially her frustration near the end of day yesterday at the lack of action feels uninformed. Scum would know that it could look bad in the face of an imminent scumflip. I also think that the somewhat shaky townreading of Lowell for being active near end of day is the specific brand of not quite rational play that comes from town, letting your emotional take on the game influence your reads.

I would be fine with a Malcolm wagon as well.

I actually mentioned my PookyTheMagicalBear read is WIFOM to demonstrate that I really think something was wrong with the way I was townreading certain players and I will be reevaluating some of my reasons to see if they hold up to this slightly higher standard. I removed the part where I talked about reevaluating my reads from the post and started to talk about something else instead.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, I was townreading MegAzumarill shortly after post 337 was made. I didn't mention it because there wasn't anyone scumreading MegAzumarill. When I saw a significant number of scumreads on MegAzumarill, I thought that I should expose my townread at some point, and did so after some time. I also looked into the reasons why MegAzumarill is mafia and simply wasn't convinced by the reason I understood. The other reason for the scumread, I simply didn't understand.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I will look into my notes a little later

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Fredrick A Campbell]

By the way, if you put someone at L-1, declare it. The person who hammers won't hammer without realising that way.

Before voting, check if the player you are voting is at L-1. If they are, declare intent before hammering.

If a hammer without intent happens again, I'll be looking into whoever hammers.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 921

Don't really think that this is the approach MalcolmTucker takes to the day if he did intentionally hammer a scum partner. If he did that, he would have been expecting to get some credit for it, but here he seems almost apologetic, and I believe him that he didn't know it was the hammer. I also like the way he reassessed after reading Firebringer's ISO and took back his suspicion there. It weakens him a bit to do so, in a position where he's already vulnerable. As scum I would expect him to try to more confidently push in some chosen direction. Making a post calling someone out, experiencing some light pushback for it, and folding immediately will often be jumped on by town and scum alike, so I'm inclined to think instead that it's just the way his opinions naturally evolved because it gains him no advantages.

I don't really support the Malcolm wagon anymore and much prefer Fredrick.

I find the argument convincing and am currently townreading MalcolmTucker.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: 947

quote="In post 947, Crescent"]

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

Not_Mafia is Mafia let's get him.

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

Um let's walk through this. First, it's not like I'm the only one trying to solve. Second, Fire is a completely useless splinter when like 6 people have votes and you're apparently neutral on most of the game.

Second is: If you're town, I would

not

be trying to find mafia, because I've effectively been death tunneling on you all day. You basically haven't even responded to like, any arguments at all, but you're also giving me a town read that makes no sense to give out.

Like your reason for calling me town only actually makes sense if you're scum.[/quote]

You are wrong that I am scum, but you are still trying to look for mafia.

And you are not my only townread.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Firebringer and Enchant are the only two players I don't have a reason for townreading.

bugspray is townread over claiming gunsmith
FancyPants' post 344 I believe is attempting to find Mafia. It is also my only reason for townreading the slot.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually Lowell I'm only townreading for not having a gun, which is a worse reason than my reason for townreading FancyPants' and Unsure.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 966

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

ur town reading everyone except 3 players?
i find that hard to believe

Actually, except 2. I think you quoted the wrong post in your post as I didn't say that I was townreading everyone else or anything like that in the one you quoted.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Dwlee99 - Solving. Few posts make it easy to fake, however.
Crescent - Solving
Prince of Paterson - Solving
geraintm - Convinced by the point Crescent made

I'm busy. Will continue later

[Fredrick A Campbell]

DWlee

solving

? Really? The person who's only content of the entire game is tunneling over someone based on a single d1 post that no one agreed with them with?

It's still an attempt in my count. You by comparison have magnitudes more attempts.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Reasons that just strengthened my townread on Dwlee:
Dwlee99 has attempted to understand the scumreads on MegAzumarill.
Dwlee99 warned that my strategy of executing those that aren't looking for mafia in a 5-day period on the first day basically never works.

Crescent's interaction with MegAzumarill starting post 20 suggests Crescent isn't town with MegAzumarill. Basically, two mafia players don't interact like this, or at least I don't think they do.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

*Crescent isn't mafia with MegAzumarill

Corrected version:
"Crescent's interaction with MegAzumarill starting post 20 suggests Crescent isn't mafia with MegAzumarill. Basically, two mafia players don't interact like this, or at least I don't think they do."

[Fredrick A Campbell]

My reason for townreading geraintm are that I am convinced by the point

s

made by Crescent.
UNOwen - Solving (few attempts; between Dwlee99 and Crescent)
Greeting - Solving (many attempts; about as many as Crescent)
bugspray - Claimed gunsmith. No reasons outside of that to townread.
Andante - Solving (many attempts; about as many as Crescent)
MalcolmTucker - Convinced by post 921
Lowell - No gun. No reasons outside of that to townread.
Vivax - Solving (few attempts; about as much as UNOwen)
FancyPants, Unsure - Solving (few attempts; about as much as UNOwen)

And that's every player.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Check your ISO.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: 987

Dwlee99 - Solving.

No, they're not.

I am of the opinion they were trying to find Enchant's alignment with that one post made by Enchant. I've granted that because of the number of posts made on the matter, it is fakeable.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So, a relative I'm living with has tested positive for COVID-19 on a self-test kit. I'm having a little more phlagm then usual but am otherwise feeling fine. Here's hoping I'm not infected.

Quite fine luck isn't it if I do get infected. One bout of food poisoning followed shortly by another round of food poisoning caused by a foul-smelling prawn and then COVID-19.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Thanks for the well wishes

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 997

Actually Lowell I'm only townreading for not having a gun, which is a worse reason than my reason for townreading FancyPants' and Unsure.

FWIW I'm not arguing I'm cleared for all time forever, I'm saying taking my lack of gun and contorting oneself into thinking I'm scum is a suspicious play. It's a scum move trying to eliminate a quasi-cleared person and not wanting to take responsibility for it. Town reaction to bugs' claim would be "cool, okay, that's two people I don't have to worry about today at least"

If you are implying I am trying to get you executed, I'm not. I am literally giving that as my reason for townleaning you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: 1003

VOTE: Fred

A player in Fred's position shouldn't be handing out town reads so easily.

So, your reason for voting me is because I shouldn't townread players.

You don't think I'm mafia?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: 1006

Happy to vote fred if that's what we're doing. Anything that makes this go faster.

Since it appears 2 players not already voting me would willingly help to execute me, you could talk about day 3 while waiting. Meanwhile I'll pop in if I observe anything notable.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1005

Hey,

Mala

! You're in luck, because you have until Day 3 to produce content, otherwise I will be voting to eliminate you out as a policy (as I would have had Dwlee99 not been replaced).

xoxo

This is kinda why I took immediate exception to Fred townclearing them for "solving". DWlee was so inactive and useless that multiple people probably had sentiment like this. It really gave me the impression he's not really reading the game while giving out these reads.

I would like this to be very clear. That is no longer the only reason I have to townread Dwlee99. See post 981

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Crescent, if you really think I am mafia, why aren't you trying to figure out which players are mafia with me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1014

Was starting to doubt Fredrick scum a little bit after reading some of his past games, but his latest posts have made me feel more confident again. 1013 is a very weak gotcha attempt on someone that he has previously had as one of his strongest townreads. Or, at least, one of his most talked-about townreads. Which, incidentally, is another thing I have an issue with: he very rarely ever differentiates between the strength levels of his reads in the way that I would expect a town player to do. There's no nuance or higher-level thinking, he simply notes down a basic reason like "solving" and then puts them in the list of his townreads with everyone else.

My reads are at different levels of confidence. I was forcing them to snap into either extreme in my notes and I've lost the nuance that I had on day 1. I should correct that.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I actually noticed this deficiency about an hour ago. My townreads, upon revision, are all at low confidence and shouldn't have been treated as very likely town.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Crescent probably is still the strongest because of the number of posts. Thing is, that strongest townread is still really weak in my estimate.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I also thought that Crescent, if Mafia, would know I flip green and wouldn't literally lock a player she knows to be town as mafia.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also thought that is WIFOM

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Maybe the way to think of this is it is either Crescent is mafia and pretending to lock me as mafia or Crescent is town genuinely locking me as mafia.

Then I look through her posts, and see which is more likely in my estimate.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

And maybe I should really start making my notes about this dynamic

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'll also be honest, I was kind of not minding getting executed as I do have exams to prepare for. The exams are at the start of August, so I do have some time. Guess I'll just have to see how I manage my time.

I'll, maybe go do what I should obviously be doing for a few hours before I come back.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Came to the conclusion that Crescent probably is town thinking I am mafia. That's one player.

The details of how I'll be reading other players I won't post so I don't clog up the thread. I'll write it on my notes.txt file instead.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Looked through the ISO, saw that she weren't saying that I was mafia since the beginning, suggesting she arrived at the conclusion and isn't pretending to lock me as mafia.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1030

i don't feel fred is that scummy.
Indecisive with no solid read formation - definitely
scum motivated? Ehhhhhhhhh....

I mean theres multiple things not to like -


But then i go would scum really come up with this way of making reads? I mean its low tier effort. Is it easy to fake? Def but like its also not something i would expect scum to post or say about reads to get them out of scrutiny. I mean maybe i am giving fred too much credit thinking he would try to over explain or compensate for reads but its pretty unabashed like my reads are bad and i know it.

Why doesn't he seem to go out of way to fix it? Good question. He should answer that because if all his townreads are very weak to basically be worthless. How is his non reads he wants to vote worth pushing.

Also i feel like theres more notes in the background than what is being said which irks me and makes me think there is lack of transparency from fred.

Man i found several reasons to stick with fred. Its just i don't feel that scum vibe. The logic/reasoning and even care aren't there but it just doesn't feel scummy. I would ask why he puts so little effort in now compared to i think he was more involved yesterday (which could mean scum demotivated from losing member?) or maybe just life.

Anyways all this to say. I am not feeling fred atm

Spoiler: Irrelevant personal headspace

I kind of want to look through posts again and reform my reads. I kind of just assumed that my townreads are good enough but then kind of quickly realised they were not when going through to see why I am even townreading some players. The non reads are really not worth pushing to me anymore.

As for notes in the background, yeah, there were. I never used them and promptly deleted all of it a few hours ago to restart from scratch. They were just too hard for myself to understand why I labelled a player a townread and were thus useless. Kind of just realised I happened to make a copy of the notes file as my laptop's Wi-Fi isn't working.

I'm just really going to go do something else for a few hours and come back when I am not feeling whatever I am feeling right now. I kind of think I feel a little responsible that this game is like so slow since I can't quite get it moving anymore.

Anyway, I recovered the notes mentioned in the "Irrelevant personal headspace" section. The valuable part to me are the associations.
I still kind of want to get rid of it for good, but I'll make a desicion on that tomorrow when I am a little less biased against it for getting me into this mess.

Spoiler: Messy Notes

1-10 indicates certainty
Greeting
Post 87 - Town(1)
Post 129 - Town(1)
Post 130 - Town(1)
Post 176 - Town(1)
Post 294 - Town(1) Attempting to figure out alignments
Post 332 - Town(1)

bugspray
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 60, 62, 67-68, 82, 102, 184-185, 193, 204, 208, 213) suggests (1) not both are mafia

Post 204 -
Andante
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 138-140) suggests (-) not both are mafia
Town(3) - Attempting to find alignment

Lowell
Interaction with UNOwen (Post 10) suggests(1) not both are mafia
Posts 168-169 - If Lowell sees who we are killing as MegAzumarill despite only having one vote from PookyTheMagicalBear and not being on Datisi the mod's votecount, this appears to be a push disguised as a sheep.

Vivax
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia
Vote hopping - Non Alignment Indicative
Post 33 - Town
Post 41 - Town
Interaction with UNOwen (Posts 26, 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests (7.5,7.5,7.5,10,122(1) 123(10) 124(1) 126(10) 127 128 ,-,-) not both are mafia
Interaction with Andante (Posts 138-140) suggests (-) not both are mafia
Interaction with Crescent (Posts 141-142, 149) suggests (-) not both are mafia
Interaction with Prince of Paterson (Posts 143, 145-148) suggests (-) not both are mafia
Interaction with bugspray (Posts 60, 62, 67-68, 82, 102, 184-185, 193, 204, 208, 213) suggests (1) not both are mafia

FancyPants
Post 342 by Crescent- Suggests(1) not mafia with Crescent
Post 344 - Town (1)
Post 471
Post 473

Dwlee99
Post 120 - Says "Andante town". Scum post if there is no reason.
Interaction with Prince of Paterson (Post 144) suggests (-) not both are mafia

Crescent
Post 16 - Town(1) if UNOwen is Mafia. Brought up "Owen's first post is an exact replica of his first post in 2273, where he was scum". Town(1) if UNOwen is Mafia because it is not beneficial to a Crescent that is Mafia. Possible that Crescent simply didn't think about it.
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 141-142, 149) suggests (-) not both are mafia
Post 341 - Town(1)
Post 342 - Town(1) Suggests(1) not mafia with FancyPants
Post 343 - Town(1)

Prince of Paterson
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 143, 145-148) suggests (-) not both are mafia
Interaction with Dwlee99 (Post 144) suggests (-) not both are mafia

MegAzumarill
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 21-22) suggests not both are mafia
Post 116 - To Be Verified. Mafia(1) if UNOwen is Mafia because townread on Crescent makes sense if UNOwen is Mafia and MegAzumarill knew that.
Post 334 - Town(1)
Post 337 - Town(10)

geraintm
he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification.

PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 4 - Town
Interaction with MegAzumarill (Post 171) suggests not both are mafia

UNOwen
Interaction with Lowell (Post 10) suggests(1) not both are mafia
Post 107 - Mafia(1) if UNOwen does nothing with my answer
Post 121 - Mafia(1) if Crescent is Mafia as UNOwen's response could be because UNOwen knows Crescent is Mafia.
Interaction with Vivax (Posts 26, 106, 108, 119, 122-128, 134, 137-138) suggests (7.5,7.5,7.5,10,122(1) 123(10) 124(1) 126(10) 127 128 ,-,-) not both are mafia
Post 219 - Andante asked about the same thing

Enchant
Post 320 - Town(1)

I'm simply not going to spam the thread anymore than this. Taking a break from this is the best thing I could do, but, if you can't tell, I've come back to this for at least the second time since saying I'm going to do something else before coming back.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Well, I believe not revising my reads for a few days was a mistake. It has been swiftly corrected.

Upon actually looking at my notes, there is a good case that Dwlee99 is mafia. They never explained why they thought MegAzumarill was town. Glad I had the backup.

VOTE: Malakittens

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Apparently I am mistaken. They never explained why they thought Andante was town. Point still stands, although it is not as bad as what I thought it was.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1033

Reasons that just strengthened my townread on Dwlee:
Dwlee99 has attempted to understand the scumreads on MegAzumarill.
Dwlee99 warned that my strategy of executing those that aren't looking for mafia in a 5-day period on the first day basically never works.

Crescent's interaction with MegAzumarill starting post 20 suggests Crescent isn't town with MegAzumarill. Basically, two mafia players don't interact like this, or at least I don't think they do.

Also these reasons for townreading Dwlee is shit.

1) Could easily be a question to see what is scummy about an ally to help defense or figure out if its worth bussing.
2) The strategy thing is purely player theory/perspective not AI

Fair points. I'm no longer placing this player in a townlean to any extent anymore.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I know I would have unvoted in Enchant's situation in a heartbeat.

Anyway, sore throat began about 13 hours ago. Fever began 2 hours ago, I'll go back to sleep

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Got your point, Crescent. Not in the right state of mind to reach a conclusion, however.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

That post from Enchant also says "Lolvote townie to e-1 is fast obvs"

Only problem is I'm a townie? If that is what you think, Enchant, what were you doing with that vote on me?

VOTE: Enchant

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Well, I maybe am making a bad decision. Will review, just, not now.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also, I would like to get back to sleep, but someone gave me chopped apples. Eating those before oxidation

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Malakittens, Firebringer, Enchant are three players I remember as null.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1099

quote="In post 1099, Firebringer"]

Malakittens, Firebringer, Enchant are three players I remember as null.

are you aware that mala is dwlee slot? because you townread dwlee then when i pointed out those townreasons were bad. You are saying the slot is now completely null?[/quote]

Yes to both questions

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Post 841

Interaction between Firebringer and Enchant starting these posts were weird. After some thought, I believe this is an attempt to distance themselves from each other. The other interactions between Firebringer and Enchant that I remember are about as weird to me.

In combination, all the interactions seem to be telling the audience "Look, [Firebringer/Enchant] is suspicious of [Enchant/Firebringer]. In case you forget or missed this show, we will put on another show in a few days' time."

Spoiler: Current Situation

Tested positive about 3 hours ago on a Covid-19 Self Test Kit

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Post 1205

Post 841

Interaction between Firebringer and Enchant starting these posts were weird. After some thought, I believe this is an attempt to distance themselves from each other. The other interactions between Firebringer and Enchant that I remember are about as weird to me.

In combination, all the interactions seem to be telling the audience "Look, [Firebringer/Enchant] is suspicious of [Enchant/Firebringer]. In case you forget or missed this show, we will put on another show in a few days' time."

Spoiler: Current Situation

Tested positive about 3 hours ago on a Covid-19 Self Test Kit

MAFIA PT:
"Hey, we probably need to distance with Enchant!"
"But why, Enchant ultimatly lurks and doesh't interact with us at all."
"Let's do it anyway, it will work for sure if Enchant dies."
"Yeah makes sense."

8 hours later:
"Oh heck, they discovered it was trick, what we gonna do now?"
"I guess bitch about Fredrick, was too smart."


... No really, if you have idea i even need to distancing with someone, you probably didn't bother with thinking.

And just by saying that, you made it WIFOM.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Post 1205

Post 841

Interaction between Firebringer and Enchant starting these posts were weird. After some thought, I believe this is an attempt to distance themselves from each other. The other interactions between Firebringer and Enchant that I remember are about as weird to me.

In combination, all the interactions seem to be telling the audience "Look, [Firebringer/Enchant] is suspicious of [Enchant/Firebringer]. In case you forget or missed this show, we will put on another show in a few days' time."

Spoiler: Current Situation

Tested positive about 3 hours ago on a Covid-19 Self Test Kit

MAFIA PT:
"Hey, we probably need to distance with Enchant!"
"But why, Enchant ultimatly lurks and doesh't interact with us at all."
"Let's do it anyway, it will work for sure if Enchant dies."
"Yeah makes sense."

8 hours later:
"Oh heck, they discovered it was trick, what we gonna do now?"
"I guess bitch about Fredrick, was too smart."


... No really, if you have idea i even need to distancing with someone, you probably didn't bother with thinking.

And just by saying that, you made it WIFOM.

You shouldn‘t drink out of frustration just for that

I drink for hydration

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Drink water, that is

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If laughing is weird, then that interaction is very weird.

My reason for not voting Malakittens: Give Malakittens a few days to come back. Malakittens seem busy. This does mean we shouldn't end this day early.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

UNOwen not wanting to comment on geraintm back in day 1. I don't know what to make of this.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

IMO we should execute Fred and then he will flip red and we'll wonder why it was ever doubted.

1249 doesn't convince me that Malakittens isn't a policy vote, which I'm not interested in.

WIFOM detected.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Post 1270

it is my birthday this weekend, won't be posting much.
i think i am in agreement with the grown ups posting in the thread that the Fred elimination looks best, but i on policy dont want to move to tomorrow without Malakittens saying something..

i take it Fred has made his peace with going at least?

I have finals coming up on first few days of August and am currently presumably infected with COVID-19. How much do you think I am going to care?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Kind of think Enchant is more likely mafia

My opinion also changed while making this post to as likely as Malakittens

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also as likely as Firebringer now in my head

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1321

quote="In post 1321, Enchant"]

Kind of think Enchant is more likely mafia

My opinion also changed while making this post to as likely as Malakittens

If i am likely mafia like malakittens then vote Mala, or you prefer being wagoned again?[/quote]

Unfortunately for you, I am not planning to get anyone executed yet

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Post 1330

Is it still Fred or what? This wagon keeps getting to the end and dying. Let’s do it

I don't understand why you are trying to rush this. Four days on the countdown there are.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Post 339

Dear Lowell,

Andante and I have questioned you regarding post 169. The questions are kind of similar and are found in posts 179 and 200.

Your response or lack thereof will have consequences.

Yours sincerely,
Fredrick A Campbell.

Attached: post 168 for context.

Lowell never answered either question about the post. I still can't figure out what was going on. UNOwen said it was obvious.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I am feeling much better now. See you at the endgame.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Other than this post, I don't have anything to say.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Oh. Yeah. I forgot to congratulate the scumteam.

Congratulations to the scumteam for winning the game.

I think I've forgotten who the scumteam is.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I got COVID-19 and thus became mentally incapable of thinking straight temporarily, causing myself to get executed.

I kind of don't know if it was a good idea for you guys to wait a few more days for me to recover back when I was executed.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Some random semi-scientific thoughts before crashing, because why the fudge not
A surface is shallow by definition and the combined surfaces of the unseen inner volume outnumber its area by much more

Kind of remembered reading this, but couldn't comment on it because I was dead.

counterpoint: A surface is not shallow by definition.

If a surface is defined as shallow, however, your point stands.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, it applies for a surface with any depth, not just shallow.