Mafia 95 - Quick & Dirty - Game Over!

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I really dislike Kise claim. But I think he's at L-2, and I'm not quite ready to vote. Kise, what the hell man?

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I believe that Kise's quasi-claim was very scummy, but the speed at which his wagon developed concerns me. In my experience, wagons that happen that fast are scum driven. We should talk right up to deadline before we lynch someone because it gives us more information.

@sam: Do you think what Kise did was scummy? Would you like to comment on which votes you think most opportunistic?

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@Kise: You used the word plain. I have a hard time believing you didn't think about the implications of using that word. You tried to claim vanilla, but got caught and now you're trying to backtrack. Are you claiming one of those roles you suggested?

@BC: Going for a quick roleclaim? Black mark.

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I want you to tell me what you intended to accomplish by saying your role was plain, and then what you planned to accomplish by suggesting those two roles as possibilities.

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Vote: Blood Covenant

For pushing for the role claim so quickly. It was a stupid move to try and hint at being plain, but I'm not willing to lynch a claimed cop without a counter claim and I don't want someone to come out just to counter claim on day one.

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Anyone else not like BC looking for a claim so quickly? I feel like he was rushing the lynch. We do have a week still.

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Consonant M: I was not rolefishing, I was trying to wade through what the hell Kise was doing with his soft claim and then back peddaling.

Hell, what a nightmare. I honestly have no idea what to do with him. My gut says lynch him, but I've played games with people like him and they always seem to be just awful townies. It's really a crapshoot. I will say, that if Kise is scum, BC is scum.

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Lamont, while I agree that LAL is often a good guide for the town, I've never seen any scum play this bad. It's too blatant and frantic. I've seen two townies play like this, but never scum.

I want everyone on the Kise wagon to tell why they are still on it.

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So he's a crappy scumhunter, that's not inherently scummy. I'd rather leave a crappy townie alive than scum.

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Care to explain why?

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Here is why i would vote you as well.
1. Post 88, you didn't like the claim, yet you wouldn't vote. you "weren't ready to vote."
2. Post 97 - you appeared to be more worried about the speed of the Band Wagon (which is true, i was as well), rather than the actual scummy post.
3.107 - Black marked me (?) for pushing a claim. which in return almost negated his "plain role," claim. i think pushing hard was the right move.
4. 212 - your gut says lynch him, but you don't want to vote for him. You say that if he is scum, I have to be scum, howso? I think i asked already, and you never responded.
5. post 250 - you said that you've seen two townies play like this before. I'm presuming one was your first game, and the other was Newbie 734, Exalt was a crybaby at that point in the game. not to mention you've only played a small handful of games. i don't think you have enough experience to claim this statement on post 250.
6. Post 253 - "I'd rather leave a crappy town alive than scum." What the heck does this mean?

1. He was at L-2, and I stated my reservations about the wagon's speed.
2. Yes, I was. It's very rarely easy to lynch scum. When a wagon develops that quickly, you need to step back and see what was happening. Yes his claim was scummy, but the wagons speed gave me reservations, you admit that you shared these concerns and yet you still use it as a mark against me?
3. You can't justify it based on the results, rolefishing is scummy, especially this early into the game.
4. I think you may have been trying to give him a way out by asking for a roleclaim so he could.
5. I have played games on other sites, as well as read games on this one. Either way, I don't see how this is a scum point.
6. It means that I would rather lynch scum than a townie who is playing badly, which I believe Kise to be.

Now you explain to me how asking someone to Roleclaim so early in the game was a good move without referencing the result.

Roleclaims are at the very end to make sure you're not lynching a power role. They are reserved for this time because revealing roles before means that the scum have that much more info.

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I've already said I'm against his lynch, why do I need to be here?

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I thought he was scummy with the "plain" ordeal but the speed at which the wagon developed concerned me so I did not vote. Then, when he claimed cop I was against the lynch on those grounds. You don't lynch a claimed cop day 1. Then when he flipped out I was against the lynch because in my experience, players who play that bad are frustrated town. I've never seen scum play like that, ever.

I will not try to say that being off the lynch clears anyone as that is clearly not true, but I think that lynch analysis is the most powerful tool the town has on day 2 (assuming no power role info) and I would bet that there were at least two scum on that wagon. We know it wasn't Lamont or BC, so I highly recommend that everyone go back and read through those who were on the wagon and look for the votes that appear the most opportunistic or wishy-washy. There are your scum. I will be doing the same.

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InHim

Argh, and I wanted to kill Papa.

unvote
vote: Kise

I don't like this. It's too quick and opportunistic.

Meh, if Kise were sticking around, I'd let him feed us results. No scum after Night 3 would merit a lynch, but since he has basically quit, I'm going to read him as defeated scum.

This looks like he believes Kise' claim but wants to lynch him anyways. Pretty scummy.

Vigs please take care of our Reckoner problem.

So little content. He's lurking as much as possible in this game, contributing little and just sitting on a wagon that he doesn't strongly believe in. Scum.

Vote: InHimshallibe

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I agree that Reck is not being pro-town at best, at worst scummy.

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So we have 5 days till deadline, anyone have any better lynches than inHim?

Inhim: You said you'd post saturday but didn't. What gives?

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Yes, I think that would be in order.

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Inhim, this day is dragging on because of you. Please post soon.

If it comes down to it, I will support lynching Reckoner or Izzy at deadline, but I think Inhim is the best case right now.

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Inhim, really, you've posted twice since you've been at L-1 with no defense at all. You have contributed nothing to the game. If you're next post is not a defense or roleclaim I am going to ask for you to be hammered. This is ridiculous.

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I am completely ready for someone to hammer inhim. Be my guest.

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Why are we speculating? There's no one who can confirm or deny our suspicions at least until tomorrow night, so why bother?

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You mean 5 people? As in, half the town? L-1? Ring any bells?

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Meh, was attempting to avoid it, as my role isn't a savior by any means.

Roleblocker - blocked Papa Zito Night 1. Thought surely one of he and Lamont were scum.

I don't believe this. Even if he is telling the truth (unlikely) it's still not an enormously useful role. It's too easy a scum claim. I still advocate for his lynch.

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I for one, think that you have contributed nothing to this game and wish you would die. I think they could both be scum.

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Elaborate.
Please.

vote: Xylthixlm

You elaborate.

You're voting him because he doesn't think setup speculations is worth arguing over?

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GG = Good Guy?

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I don't like the way inHim is talking. I feel like he knows more about the setup than we do. I still like him or Reckoner for a lynch.

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I support lynches of inhim and reckoner again. I will put my vote on either. Please choose a wagon people, we don't have a lot of time.

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unvote; vote: Xylth

Someone in the last couple minutes?

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FoS: Dizzy, Consonant, and Dizzy for not being on one of the two major wagons at deadline.

I think Reckoner is semi-cleared in my mind for voting for Rhinox when there was clearly as decent wagon going on who we now know was a mislynch (inhim).

In light of all this, I would like to

Vote: Dizzy

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I could go for an xylth or laz lynch too. Sam and Reck still read town to me.

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I agree that Phoebus case is totally contrived.

If there is an even night cop, I suggest that they come forward with a result as it would be better to have that result than to risk waiting till night 4 for another result. Even an innocent result would be very helpful right now.

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Because that would clear two of the 8 people we have left. Even without a guilty result that still vastly increases the odds of us hitting scum. The mafia might hit them accidently, and besides, they're just another townie tonight. Might as well help the town while they can release info.

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5 days left. Let's pick a wagon.

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I was talking to the new kid.

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I recant that statement, I totally misread the votecount.

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unvote; Vote: Pheobus

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Can we lynch Pheobus now?

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No lynch? Are you crazy?

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I'l trust more experienced and more informed townies.

Vote: No Lynch

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Not true. If sam chose to do the kill and you blocked him, it doesn't just get passed off to his partner to do the kill.

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No even night cop? That's really odd.

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Laz is VLA due to hospitalization until the 15th, so we'll just skip him, I guess.

I'm not the cop.

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Laz is VLA due to hospitalization until the 15th, so we'll just skip him, I guess.

I'm not the cop.

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Well, without a counter claim, it's worth the mislynch. We hit xyl tonight and either win today or tomorrow. Sweet.

Vote: xyl

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Really, conso, we have a guilty from a claimed cop.

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Of course you're going to argue to lynch laz first, it's in your self interest. He's going to argue to lynch you first. I really don't care either way. I'm inclined to believe that we have a cop, because of Kise' role, but others may not be. So, everyone should vote xyl or laz right now and which ever way the majority goes, so be it.

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Conso? Scot? Care to come in and comment?

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So...Conso, what we're really looking for here is a vote.

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Hell, I really just want this game to be over.

Vote: Pyro

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I am fairly sure that xylth is scum.

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Xylth, who do you think is the last scum?

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Sam surprised me. I thought he was town.

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Kise has almost a reverse meta, he's scummier when he's town.

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Well, it looks like everyone is kinda just stalled. I'm almost positive that Xyl is scum. I think I'll vote soon if nothing else happens.

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Well, the fact that pyro picked you to fake a guilty against was pretty damning.

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Not that he's infallible, but he thought you were the last one, and I've had a gut feeling. Conso has done very little scummy this game. I'd say he's town. I'm willing to vote on it as soon as Conso posts something.

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I don't know. It feels weird to do it without him here. I guess that's stupid.

Vote: Xyl

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Fun.

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Nice work Conso and Reckoner. Fun game.