NY Mafia 155 - New Age Mafia II - Game Over!

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Vote: Quagmire

, because cocks.

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Vote AGar

Let's have a wagon.

Since I haven't done it yet:

HI SIM <3

Nhammen: I answered your question when I voted.

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is this a reaction test or what

i only count 9 votes

wooosh

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Unvote, Vote: Nhammen

A wagon I can get behind! This Agar guy is pretty okay in my book right now. Increasingly indifferent regarding maybehohum. iaun on my kinda-shitlist.

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What exactly would you like umoms to address, Rhinox? It's a page 3 lol quicklynch in a large, it's not like there's a case against him, unless you're willing to make one for him to address.

And yeah calling omgus is dumb since you didn't really have any basis to calling him scum in the first place.

vote:nhammen

WELP.

Unvote, Vote redFF

. Found somewhere better for my vote. I don't like the general brushing aside of the wagon just because it was quick. Justifying the fact that he and everyone else was only in it for the lol quicklynch, and there was generally nothing behind it. Giving people shit for prying into the votes on a bandwagon (spoiler alert: kind of the result of early bandwagoning, brah).

@Primate: If anything, it was a movement from indifference to extreme indifference. I can see where the negative light from his early page two posts (something about it only being page two and that no one cares), but I didn't 100% buy into it at the time. Since then, the speed of the wagon irks me a bit, but only a little looking at the general bandwagon friendly mood of page 1. The criticism for his reactions to the wagon are another thing I can't really see myself buying into. This may have gotten a bit ramble-y, if you need any clarification, feel free to pester me more.

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I think we should massclaim.

This guy is a winner in life. We should all follow his logic.

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Should probably make sure at least most of us are onboard. Don't want to start a massclaim only to get to someone who flat-out refuses.

Glork: I, pie_is_good's protege, shouldn't need to explain my position on massclaim (or n0 vigging).

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antiprod, etc

Should we expect some substance with the antiprod soon?

Honestly, if anyone had any major issues with the massclaim, they would have come out with it by now. Too late to worry now.

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Quick and easy recap:

We're in the middle of a massclaim. You're up. Your next post should have a claim in it.

Catching up made easy.

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Don't do that.

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glork is also prob scum

he is not voting anyone

I like your oversimplified and silly style of mafia.

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shea nuuuuuu

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If you can go about expressing that in a way where people follow your logic, go for it!

Making standalone claims is worthless if you can do anything about them.

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Still alright with my vote.

VT

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It fucking sickens me that we're going after someone who's legitimately inactive in umoms instead of someone who's outright refusing to play the fucking game like singer. The massclaim idea is eh, I think we have to commit to continuing it or dropping it right now before we've reached a point where we legitimately have to continue it. Rhinox probably needs to die at some point due to his claim, but I'm willing to wait to see what happens overnight before I'd commit to it.

I don't necessarily like Glork's play either but I still want to see us lynching people who are actively stalling this game as opposed to the person who came up with a dumb idea that gave them the excuse.

I like how this guy thinks, yo.

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To confirm you had to reply with your role, iirc. Doubtful in that case.

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Proposal: Leave this bullshit to postgame/MD discussion and stop clogging the thread with it. Its not important here.

We should wagon singer instead.

Unvote, Vote Singersigner

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Might be a bit busy with reports over the weekend and early next week. Will try to stop by when I have time. Field session is muy fun.

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Might be a bit busy with reports over the weekend and early next week. Will try to stop by when I have time. Field session is muy fun.

Oral report tomorrow, then can post.

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That seems like a pretty silly way to make me do something you probably don't want me doing. Especially considering the fact that

I can (theoretically) just be confirmed by a cop, so...

Prologic is pro. I'm not liking the Singer wagon as much as I did a few days ago. Not really due to any changes in play/events, but more to the idea of it all sitting in my head over the last few days. It almost just feels like overall bad play than notably scummy play. Gonna sleep on this line of thought, wouldn't hate to switch back to Nhammen instead of singer.

That being said, Staeg's 539 leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

@JD: Don't give me a free pass. I don't have much time to post Sun-Tuesday, but I'm not keeping up on the days I have more than enough time to when I should.

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@Tierce: I dislike how singer entered the game. She went on for a week hiding behind a massclaim as a reason to hold off information (seriously, who the fuck decided no content during massclaims should be a thing?). When the massclaim wrapped up, she not only avoiding taking part, but continued to avoid content, at one point saying it was just the way she plays. Generally a turn off set of events for me.

I'd be okay with moving my vote for a bit. This is the result of me sleeping on it, for the record. I'll move my vote to one of Singer/Nhammen if this doesn't go off the ground. But, lets be honest: It should.

Unvote, Vote: Staeg

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Singer is the lynch of the day people.

Okay.

Unvote, Vote: Nhammen

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That felt like way too long for that result to come out in a massclaimed game.

In other news, probably gonna be limited access until Friday (but this is my last week of lab!)

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Singervotes [4] (psyche, stag,

tierce

, bv, redff)

A bit of a panties in a twist moment about self-hammering at 5 votes....

That being said, this post:

There's literally no way he actually investigated me last night

(unless OGML fucked up Normal Game guidelines--but he's a good mod, so)

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He's either lying scum or lying town, which I won't really be able to go back and check until my internet's fixed on Wednesday morning or I find a Starbucks.

(given iam's play, and then his own, I'm inclined to believe the latter)

Has me ready for a singer vote. There seems to be something crucial missing in that post. Something crucial and bold.

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Thats still 6/9.

Minus one != minus three?

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Its a quiet night in the village, aside from the screams of the dying. Positively peaceful.

Quilford -

Vanilla Town

- Killed Night One
Primate -

Bodyguard

- Killed Night One

It is now Day Two. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

For additional Reference.

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Vote: Staeg because the way he's acted in regards to his results are fucking weird. He claims to have roleblocked Tierce last night when acting purely from a logical standpoint she is literally the worst target he could have picked aside from Psyche/Bella. He took a good delay yesterday before claiming his target of scooby - and, based on his vote today, still suspects scooby enough to start out voting him but decided to target the semi-cleared person instead. His actions around his night actions are fucking weird.

First things first, I agree on the wierd side of it all. However, I'm having trouble seeing it as more of a scum-wierd than Stag is a moron-weird. Yeah, his actions recently have been bizarre, but I can't for the life of me figure out a reason why scumStag would be any more likely than townStag to do this sort of stuff, in fact I'd almost expect the opposite. The only situation I could see being possible with scumStag here is that his target wasn't actually Tierce, and is just hiding behind it. Hooray for things we can't figure out/prove, yeah?

PEDIT: STOP TYPING THINGS WHILE IM TYPING YOU BERK.

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Double posting:

I'm gonna hold my vote for a little. My class is over and I can get a stronger hold on this game now. I'd like to.

Off the top of my head/from first post, I dislike:

Glork - Warning: This is almost 100% gut. I really can't put my finger on it, but something has been bothering me about Glork's posting all game. Given, a lot of this could be coming from his move, I figure its still worth noting. However, out of the two neighbors...

Rhinox - Feels much more suspicious than Glork. All of his posts at the start of the massclaim are janky as fuck (I just read back, for the record). I don't completely like how he tried to hold back his extra ability, but dangled the idea in front of us anyway. This could be as much stupid as scum, so I won't really pry into it all. Find it odd that in 263 he votes for Glork, soon to be claimed neighbor partner. I know neighbors aren't exactly confirmed (or at all confirmed, huehue), but I still find it odd to see someone vote their partner on day one in a massclaim. He managed to avoid both scumlynches iirc. I could care less about day 1, but his day 2 actions feel odd to me. Post 670 is disgusting. I don't like how a votestall comes from waiting for singer (the person who refused to claim day 1) to claim. Also waiting to see if it was a gambit just seems like wishful thinking to not have to lynch singer, or at least thats how it comes off.

Scooby - In the most vapid way I know how: Lots of words that generally amount to nothing. Stuck on that line between moron and scum. Has taken a few stances and feels a little more useful than...

Staeg - Not very useful overall. His recent claims reek of ultimate nulltell, which I explained a bit in 749. Beyond that, I won't be going into much more detail, because there really isn't much more to tell.

RedFF - Only because if I sit here and call scooby and Staeg worthless, its only fair to lump RedFF with them. Voting Agar here is completely idiotic. Has put his vote in lots of places, hasn't really backed them up to push them anywhere beyond 1 vote, jumped onto a few wagons when they were popular. ETCETC.

Null reads:

Hoopla - Lots of wordy posts. A lot of what I read as throwaway wordy posts. For as much throwaway stuff, there is good stuff, so I don't see anything bad of it. Actually going back to read through, its not as much throwaway as I originally thought. However, Hoopla is still in my list of people that haven't been memorable, so the slot stays in my null list.

Quag - I need to reread post-rolePM. Thats all here. Sorry

SIMSIM - Leaning town, tough to get a solid read here with the activity. The posts that have come have been pretty good though.

Townreads:

JD - Posts have been solid throughout the game.

Tierce - Mostly due to results claims. Has picked it up a bit in recent pages, and I'm liking what I see a little more.

Bev - Worthless for the most part, but I'm seeing the claim as townish for now. This read leans to the null side of townreads.

Agar - Don't see a reason to disbelieve the claim at this point.

BellaIzzy - The most useless confirmed townie player of all time?

I think thats everyone. Can we lynch Rhinox? We should totally lynch Rhinox.

Vote: Rhinox

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Meh, he's gotten a little better, but still pretty far off where he needs to be right now.

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Why would that be something scum would do? I was trying to draw a nk. Why does this apply to me, but you didn't have anything to say about singer dangling the "I have a role you don't want me to claim and just have the cop check me". Actually it was just after that post that you weren't liking the singer wagon anymore.

Reading the post would tell you that I did not like that post, but other reasons had me doubting the wagon at the time. It wasn't that I didn't want to see singer dead, it was that Nhammen simply seemed like the better option.

Why does this apply to me and not glork who had already voted me?

Glork was pretty clearly not voting/wanting to lynch you for anything other than you holding something back in a massclaim. As soon as you fullclaimed, he removed his vote. At the same time, your vote snuck on. It wasn't that I found either of them not odd, yours was much more notable. This reply also seems like a good way of avoiding the real problem of it all.

You don't remember correctly. nham and singer were my top 2 suspects.

I was voting singer when nham got lynched, and I didn't hammer singer because ppl had asked for more time.

Hey look, the bold part showing exactly what I was saying! I don't give two fucks if they were your top suspects.

The votestall came from confusion. Because after nham flipped scum I thought singer would be less likely scum, and after talking with glork overnight I was going to vote sim at the start of the day. Then there was the guilty and a number of other people were talking about it possibly being a lolgambit and I didn't want to be basing any decisions on false information. The idea that it was wishful thinking that I wouldn't have to vote singer just seems like you're making things up and not actually reading my play at all. I mean, you think, as scum, I'm going to come out on day 1 and bus 2 of my scum partners and then not actually get credit by being on the lynch, and then on day 2 I'm going to pussy foot around if a guilty is claimed on the other?

The votestall itself doesn't bother me, after all, I did too. It was the reasoning behind it that didn't seem right, and is the ultimate reason I'm voting you. All of your reasons to votestall came across as a way to outright avoid lynching singerscummer. What reason would an already claimed cop have to gambit a result? What reason would you have to even attempt to run through this line of logic? Simple: You don't want to lynch singer. It seems pretty plain and simple to me.

You're damn right I think you pussy footed around a guilty. A claimed cop claims a guilty result. Even given the stupidity of psyches play at the start of day two, a town player does not think "oh, it might be a gambit". You continued to avoid the wagon even after that point to wait for a claim that was blatantly never going to arrive. If we spent a week on a massclaim failing to get a claim out of singer, what made you think we were going to get one at the end of day?

This scooby wagon holds no interest to me.

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Not sure if you're dumb or scum. You're conclusion that I didn't want to lynch singer is so ridiculous I feel like I must be playing a different game or something.

Words and actions. Not sure if you know they are the same. I could spend the next week spouting how sure I am that Glork is scum, and it would mean nothing.

yeah and switch that around and thats exactly how I felt about singer and nham but somehow you think that equates to I didn't want to lynch singer even though I clearly wanted to lynch singer over nham.

Your misrep is kinda cute. Its pretty obvious my beef with you and singer is from day two.

yeah whatever idc voting a neighbor partner isn't a scumtell so this is just stupid. Tell me, what is the real problem of it all that I'm allegedly avoiding?

Yeah, which I why I called it odd. Reading, pretty tech. Pushing the issue to "yeah, well glork did it too" is a nice distraction from "hey, i did this".

Exactly what you're saying makes no sense. Context is important.

You were voting singer when nham was lynched. You weren't on a singer wagon. You're being intentionally thick, right?

So everyone up there is scum then? All those posts happened before I even posted on D2. Even you were questioning the guilty result. WTF...

Might I direct you to my reads post? You might notice a general trend of the people high up on my list. My post did not question the guilty result. I questioned the method it was revealed. Keep grasping at them straws, brah. Its p cool.

So tell me, why doesn't a town player question a guilty at the start of day 2? Why is that something only scum does? And why aren't all the above scum? Why doesn't scum just come out and bus when theres a guilty they know is true?

At the time of the quilty, there was very little reason to question anything. There was nothing that would stop a singer lynch. If Psyche was lying about his role, we would know. If he was telling the truth, we would know. There simply was nothing stopping anyone from disbelieving the claim. I've seen some gambits and my day, but claiming cop in a mass claim and then making up a result just to get someone lynched seems a little beyond invested.

As you yourself said, all previous discussion of gambits happened before your post. Its not farfetched for a scum to hop on a discussion train like that.

This first sentence is a lie. It was less than 24 fucking hours into the start of the day. What part of that is "continuing to avoid the wagon even after after that point to wait for a claim that was blatantly never going to arrive"? And I wasn't

just

waiting for a claim:

*twiddling thumbs*

want to hammer singer but honoring requests to wait.

Right, I forgot you jumped on the wagon with an actual vote. Quit being thick. It doesn't suit you.

And then, I didn't get to hammer because scum self hammered. Scum wanted the day to end and self-hammered to cut off conversation. Yet somehow its also scum motivation for me to NOT hammer singer to let conversation happen? does not compute...

This is pretty over-simplified. Singer gave up. Not all scum do that. Someone who replaced in and gave more than two shits about the game might have cared enough to keep themselves alive. Using Singer's play as a example of proper scumplay is fucking stupid when its pretty clear its the exception to the rule.

As for the claim.. what fucking ever. I was clearly ready to lynch singer D1 despite her not claiming, and I would have hammered her D2 claim or no. At the START OF THE DAY (not the end of the day, idk where you're getting that from) with a guilty and a pile of votes, its just ingrained procedure to ask for a claim. You're putting way too much focus on that one mention in D2 of asking for claim, when clearly the much bigger reason I didn't immediately vote singer was to make sure there wasn't shenanigans going on with the guilty result.

Again, you're doing wonderful at being thick. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have mentioned one. I never mentioned anything about you asking for a claim at the end of the day. I proposed a hypothetical and you blew it up at me. GG?

I've already discussed my thoughts of testing the gambit, and I'm not going to repeat it for nothing. Scroll up and read it.

PEDIT: @Quag claim: I-I-ve got nothing.

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On another note, I'm sick of this. I'm leaving my vote and prob won't reply to the next wall of text.

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On another note, I'm sick of this. I'm leaving my vote and prob won't reply to the next wall of text.

Thats fine whatever its already clear from your last post your on full blown confirmation bias mode, so thanks for sparing me the effort of refuting more crap.

Sorry you expect me to be a mind-reader, but I gotta go off of what I actually read.

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Agar: Are you not voting because you don't want to put scooby at L-1, or because pickles?

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unvote
Vote: Quagmire

I was in a hurry when I made that post, so uhh, sorry, I guess?

Welcome back to the top of my list!

Vote: Staeg

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@Quag 840: Leave that thought-line where you found it. I want absolutely no part of it anywhere near this thread ever again. Thanks! <3

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Look at my interactions with nhammen and tell me I'm scum with him.

Well shit guys, he's got us. Back to square one!

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/prodded. Read through the ISOs of the major two wagons. Scooby is scummier.

vote: Scooby

For reasoning, I'd like to point at basically everything from before his ISO 36/37.

In other news:

"You read, vote. If we want reasoning look at his posts."

I don't think you're doing the trying harder thing right by posting possibly the laziest thing beyond just the word 'prod-dodge'.

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Unvote, Vote: Rhinox

Since a vote on Stag at this point is next to worthless, unfortunately.

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I see no point in reasoning with you people. Bring it on, hopefully it will open your eyes for tomorrow.

Bye.

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Flameaxe, where have you been the last six days that SUDDENLY, FLASHWAGON has you posting? WAs this mere happenstance that you checked the thread on the same night within an hour of picking up a 4th vote, after having been mysteriously absent all week?

Six days huh? Your ass called, it wants is number back from where you pulled it out. As for where I've been, class. This wagon is silly, and if me dying is the only way to make you realize that, whatever.

Stag: Wake the fuck up, please.

I'll switch at deadline, but frankly the resistance to scooby's wagon is getting ridiculous. I don't see anyone making a half-decent case as to why he is town

Fun fact: There wasn't a half decent case as to why he was scum. Why should the town be making cases as to why someone is town just because a few people have their head so far up their ass they think they have a solid case? That's not how this works.

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Flameaxe's reactions to his wagon forming is making me more confident about this. Lets do it.

This is descriptive. Hoopla worth looking into in future days.

This wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

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It's a helpful trait.


Said no one.