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The idea just makes it dumber and if anything, extends the useless portion of the game.In post 16, ProHawk wrote:Was my Idea Doc, and RVS is dumb actually. Jus' sayin.-
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Because TIP, despite being town, is a distraction. He needs rope if he is alive for too long.In post 110, Calcifer wrote:
Why? Why is the distinction between town and bad town necessary?In post 108, Ankamius wrote:Calcifer is town.
BROseidon is scum.
Nero is town.
TheIrishPope is town, but bad town.
KingCrabd is town.
Zdenek is town.
Is this to me?In post 111, Calcifer wrote:Are you deciding that the tell you saw earlier was nothing?-
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I said I thought I understood what he was referring to. What I didn't understand is how that specific post was a scumtell.
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This is the most likely post. I've self-voted before in response to attention as scum before, but the situations are different enough that I'm not really sure how this specifically would be applicable to it.In post 35, TheIrishPope wrote:
Good good.In post 34, BROseidon wrote: Also like TiP for town.
VOTE: TIP
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That would indicate I was sure it's the self-vote.In post 244, Calcifer wrote:I have no idea why you went about that in such a roundabout way when you could've just asked "Why is that self-vote a scumtell?"
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I'll write out my case just for you.
This means literally nothing.In post 19, BROseidon wrote:It creates a giant scum-WIFOM mess.
Basically, since we would only run up a wagon on the person who had the most votes, scum would just have to manipulate the list to make sure that that is not one of them. Let's say there are 6 scum. Any number of them just need to vote for the same person to make sure that person has more than any scum.Beyond that, scum can list whoever the fuck they want on the list. So scum member A could list 3 other scum while scum member B lists no scum at all. Since the idea presumably would be to look back at these lists later to try to build connections, scum can manipulate that by being inconsistent/bus-heavy in their lists.
The tl;dr version is scum have information, town doesn't, that lets scum manipulate this plan to their advantage, and they have too many ways in which they can manipulate it to their advantage for us to use that later for associative tells.
I mean, I agree that the plan was terrible (which I've already said a couple times), but this explanation of it is just plain bad. The part directly before it WOULD set up a connection, since scum trying hard enough to set up a specific townie being wagoned first can bite them in the ass later. Naturally town are just going to put whoever the fuck they want in the list too, since there's literally no information outside of that plan's existence at all that would change the lists.
But yes, small connections can be made by using these lists later. However, this plan still sucks because going by it just takes up more time and posts than just going through a regular RVS would, and the connections from those lists would be much more sketchy than just playing the game normally.
His overall point is good, but his explanation sucks.
I can easily see scum doing this. I've done something similar in a recent scum game. I was the first wagon of the game and I self-voted because it was safer than responding normally; it has a higher chance of appearing scum in a reaction test.In post 34, BROseidon wrote:Also Zdenek is totes right I am obviously scum.
VOTE: BROseidon
Okay. /sarcasm off.
VOTE: ProHawk
Also like TiP for town.
pedit:k
Basically, scum paranoia.
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I don't think fucking with ProHawk's plan would take any planning for scum to WIFOM the fuck out of.In post 53, Calcifer wrote:I really really really don't think scum would care about the plan all that much.
But hey, at least this pegs you as likely town.
Also I'm going to assume that vote is serious, and I have no idea why you would vote there. Why Ank over any of the other people who've posted relatively little?In post 182, BROseidon wrote:
I don't get what you two are seeing in 41. If either you or Nacho would explain it, then I would be able to have an opinion about whether or not you're right.In post 95, Rift Adrift wrote:I kinda thought I might get some feedback about this. Nacho? Anybody?
I shouldn't have to explain why this is awful.In post 214, BROseidon wrote:
This reasoning is solid. Do you think that Ank is the best lynch right now?In post 191, Rift Adrift wrote:
Nacho's reason may be a little different. The thing that I picked up on was an awkward indirectness. "I think I see what you are seeing", rather than "Is it because of X?" or something similar. This looks scummy to me because I see scum do this way more often than town, like they are afraid that they'll have the wrong "answer" about why the post in question looks bad.In post 182, BROseidon wrote:I don't get what you two are seeing in 41. If either you or Nacho would explain it, then I would be able to have an opinion about whether or not you're right.
Town players don't worry about having the wrong answer - they worry about getting something useful back, and tend to be more direct as a result.-
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Yes, sheep the slot that is voting me for literally one post and has spent half his ISO doing nothing but tunneling me for it while giving virtually no other reads worth anything.
Bravo, TIP. Bravo.
This is even after the only thing you've ever said about me was stating I was a town read AFTER the scum read on me was explained. That vote is literally retarded.-
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AFAIK I'm the only person who has justified any scum read on BROseidon. If I'm not, then I'm the only relatively recent one.In post 325, T S O wrote:
In other words, two of the top three suspected people today. You're piling on the the top wagons so that you don't have explain your cases and you don't stand out.In post 277, Ankamius wrote:Or.
We could get a scumflip off of BROseidon today.
Then tomorrow, we nuke T S O or Stevie.
Sounds like a better plan to me.
Okay, this is an awful thing to think I'm scum for.In post 326, T S O wrote:In post 135, Ankamius wrote:
Because TIP, despite being town, is a distraction. He needs rope if he is alive for too long.In post 110, Calcifer wrote:
Why? Why is the distinction between town and bad town necessary?In post 108, Ankamius wrote:Calcifer is town.
BROseidon is scum.
Nero is town.
TheIrishPope is town, but bad town.
KingCrabd is town.
Zdenek is town.
So you didn't think it was scummy that Ankamius justified the lynch of someone he thought he was town for being a "distraction?"In post 286, StevieT92 wrote:ISO'd Ank. Don't see anything scummy and I don't get the wagon on him at all.
Of course I'm going to be thinking about what's best for LYLO, because not doing so can easily screw us over if we ever reach it. I do believe TIP is town, but I also believe that if he's alive when we're in LYLO or close to LYLO, his existence will cause more harm than good for us.
I'm pretty sure Mastin can confirm that I can hold this stance as town. He's seen me do it before (albeit that part of the game was removed in the 2011 crash >_>).
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Actually, I'm arguing that it's a null-tell.In post 331, Doc Holliday wrote:Whoa, did anyone else catch Ankamius' shameless buddying/self-meta/calling-self-Town bit in 328? I wasn't sold on Ankamius as scum before, but that's definitely shifting my opinion in that direction-
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1. Practically anything else TIP had said up to that point. He's one of the few players I've ever seen that really could have a compelling case built on them no matter what they say.In post 309, Calcifer wrote:In post 249, Ankamius wrote:
That would indicate I was sure it's the self-vote.In post 244, Calcifer wrote:I have no idea why you went about that in such a roundabout way when you could've just asked "Why is that self-vote a scumtell?"
I wasn't.1.What else could it have been?
In post 250, Ankamius wrote:Also, finally looked at Stevie. Scumread.
BROseidon is still my biggest scumread, though. Let's run him through.2.Why?
In post 262, Ankamius wrote:His overall point is good, but his explanation sucks.3.Why does that make him scum?
(It doesn't.)
In post 262, Ankamius wrote:I can easily see scum doing this. I've done something similar in a recent scum game. I was the first wagon of the game and I self-voted because it was safer than responding normally; it has a higher chance of appearing scum in a reaction test.
Basically, scum paranoia.4.Why is it more likely to be coming from scum as opposed to be coming from town?
In post 262, Ankamius wrote:I shouldn't have to explain why this is awful.5.Did you expect me not to ask you why you didn't like those posts?
Erm, not another site. Another time.In post 297, BROseidon wrote:I didn't realize that Stevie was coming from another site. Will reevaluate him with this in mind.
2. Why to what, the first question? Stevie's first scum list was pretty bad, his case on Nero was pretty bad.
3. Because he tried to spin the plan being bad into a case against ProHawk. The plan in itself wasn't scummy, since it really wasn't something scum could take any significant advantage of. Him trying to make it sound like they could just puts red flags in my head.
4. It's an easy way to look town without much risk. If you respond to the wagon, you risk looking even more scummy and having more people pile onto the wagon. It's the same logic that caused the example up above.
5. Just look at how it progresses. First he's curious as to why me over all the other people who haven't posted much, then he's openly confused as to why I'm being suspected, then he accepts the case as good, but both doesn't vote for meANDasks if Rift thinks this is the best lynch (which is a really dumb question regardless because look at where Rift's vote is). This reeks of cautiousness is jumping onto the bandwagon and makes me think he's worried that his switch from being overly confused about it to jumping on it would raise eyebrows.-
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Yeah, well, the last large game I played, I was basically targeted for death by the entire scum team N1, but completely left alone (and even saved as much as possible by them) after that because I made my reads really clear after that and I had quite a few of them as town. Keeping them uncertain what I thought of them would likely have made them a lot more paranoid of me since I had a very strong role.
The reads didn't even help town since the only ones that really mattered at that point were my scumreads.
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The scumclaim in general gave me a town vibe. and his response to the daykill didn't hurt that.In post 477, Zdenek wrote:How do you know Hollywood is town?-
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As someone who was in LoL mafia, I'm not really convinced about Dram-meta in that case. Most of his content in that game was more on the setup than actual reads and other things. Honestly, he might have done exactly the same thing he's doing here if LoL mafia didn't start off with something he had strong feelings against.
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I quickly breezed through his ISO and found that he played basically the same early on in both of them. I'm not really convinced by either.In post 705, Rift Adrift wrote:
Yeah I noticed that there was a set-up argument on day 1 of the LoL game. I think the Gay II game is probably a better baseline for his town game. Did you look at the other two games? What are your thoughts on them?In post 685, Ankamius wrote:As someone who was in LoL mafia, I'm not really convinced about Dram-meta in that case. Most of his content in that game was more on the setup than actual reads and other things. Honestly, he might have done exactly the same thing he's doing here if LoL mafia didn't start off with something he had strong feelings against.
Yay tablet posting.
Yeah, he posted less often in the scum game, but the post amounts that happened between his posts weren't really high for me to find that very telling. It looked like a relatively inactive game regardless.
I'd need much bigger specifics to really get a read off of meta either way. I don't really take meta tells to be very strong, and generally I find them to be null anyways. I don't bother.-
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Alright, content. I'm going to operate mostly on memory and from what I've skimmed for the past week. It doesn't help that I accidently got into more games than I planned, and the downtime screwed up my mojo. I'll get things done, though.
UNVOTE: BROseidon <- I'm not really into this anymore. Nothing he's done recently has pinged me at all.
My strongest read in the most discussed camp is on Dramonic; I'm not convinced at all on this.
I like putting Orc, Domo, Bulbafenix, Rift Adrift, and Zdenek in the town pile for the moment while I force myself to catch up with what's going on. I see there's cases to some extent on Bulba and Zdenek, but I'll get to those later.
I'm really okay with lynching Serene whenever. He's 5x worse than TIP in terms of being a distraction.
It's going to be a real struggle to find anything concrete that isn't meta, will it?
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I'm going to be deeply disappointed if it's Fate.In post 1264, Baby Spice wrote:It's Fate, isn't it.
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Right, just going to start at the top of page 50 and ignore everything before it unless I have to go earlier. Otherwise, I'm never going to catch up.
Dram #1227 town but god damn it more please
Serene #1234 what why is this relevant
Calcifer #1242 I'm lost on this
Metal Sonic #1247 town
BulbaFenix #1251 town
TMTOLBTWNTOF #1260 getting some weird vibes off this
Zdenek #1271 weird vibes
Calcifer #1283 weird vibes
Calcifer #1302 looks unnecessarily wishy-washy
Zdenek #1332 weird vibes
TheIrishPope #1354 is just straight up bad
orcinus+Serene debate is painfully null and went on for too long
DOMO #1447 is spot on. All the bickering and ridiculous debates is just making it harder to find the motivation to read back. I started doing a read a couple days ago, but FIVE new pages showed up while I slept. I know most of it's going to be useless garbage, but it's making me not want to read through regardless.
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Vague memory is some sort of null. I'm pretty sure I found town and scum motivation in his posts. His lurking is null.In post 1664, Nero wrote:
how do you read stevie?In post 1661, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: Calcifer
I'm getting those weird vibes almost half the time he posts now. I would post an actual case, but I'm not interested in having to read another ten damn pages of virtually nothing while I make it.-
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Feel free to make a case.In post 1756, Serene wrote:
okayIn post 1752, Ankamius wrote:Nero/Serene
For the last god damn time, stop filling the thread with useless shit. You've been literally going in circles for the past 30 pages and making the thread really hard to read.
you're scum.
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Serene, you realize that this thread is really hard to read, right? Finding motivation to read anything here is impossible.
I didn't go into any detail because I wanted to get notes on as much of the game down as possible. If I had done any explaining whatsoever, I would've maybe gotten through 2 pages.In post 1771, Zdenek wrote:When it comes to Ank, I didn't like that basically just calls stuff "weird," so he's not actually attacking anyone or calling anyone scummy - it's a very safe way to play.
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Dramonic's response made it believable.In post 1776, Serene wrote:
What exactly made the claim believable?In post 1128, Ankamius wrote:Right. Well, then.
UNVOTE: Serene
The claim is believable enough. I'm not going to consider them near-confirmed town yet, but they can join the town pile. until the claim is proven one way or the other.
How does one prove a mason claim without one of us dying? And for that matter, my own death proves me town anyway. So no one is confirmed until dead? Or?
Those questions are literally useless. The only way it CAN be proven is by death (or copping both of them, but that's a waste of time). All the last statement really said is that both you and dramonic are in the town pile for the claim until one of you flips.-
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Been trying to get reads to settle in my head the past couple of days. I looked around a bit and didn't find a whole lot; not really that difficult with all the nonsense in the thread.
The game's still moving pretty damn fast, but a lot of it is just talk that isn't really alignment-indicative either way. I'll probably look into ProHawk sometime tomorrow to see if anyone's interactions with him stand out.-
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Whenever a game moves really fast, I get lost really easily. It takes me a few in-game days to be calibrated in a large game.In post 2352, Serene wrote:"Been trying to get reads to settle in my head the past couple of days."
For the past two days I've been lurking hard and have no reads whatsoever, sorry. I've even been scum-QT-prod. My head is dizzy and overly medicated and I have spells of amnesia and uncontrollable epileptic fits.
"I looked around a bit and didn't find a whole lot; not really that difficult with all the nonsense in the thread."
It's not my fault, it's your fault.
"The game's still moving pretty damn fast"
Being scum makes me lazy, don't expect reads anytime until the Apocalypse.
"but a lot of it is just talk that isn't really alignment-indicative either way"
Buddhascum says: "There is no good nor evil, only reincarnation into slime molds."
"I'll probably look into ProHawk sometime tomorrow to see if anyone's interactions with him stand out."
And by "probably" I mean "never" and I hope you'll soon forget that I made this promise. See you in LYLO, suckers!-
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Nope. The first one was a while back, but good luck getting anything from that one. Everything before Day 4 was lost in the 2011 crash. I managed to stay afloat more easily because I was playing in a hydra.In post 2419, Baby Spice wrote:
I take it that you usually play elsewhere or under a different name, because there's precious little evidence of this in other larges that you've been in.In post 2363, Ankamius wrote:Whenever a game moves really fast, I get lost really easily. It takes me a few in-game days to be calibrated in a large game.
LoL Mafia was a lot more readable than this game was. Day two was a real struggle for me (seriously, go look.), but Day 1 worked since I was able to latch onto a strong read and ride that to the end of the day. I only started being an active contributor after I looked at each player individually, but I'm not going to do that here. I'm not searching through mountains of garbage meta posts.-
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Axe the BROseidon read; a closer look made the point null.
Doc Holliday blatantly showed he didn't really read very well; shows more town than scum.
Calcifer went along with the plan at first (notably after two people condemned it), then hopped right off. Looks really awkward from a scum standpoint and I don't see one being so obvious about it.
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I should have made myself more clear the first time. Those aren't my total reads on the players, just what direction the reads went with it.
I didn't say Cephrir was scum...? I was talking specifically about the first post, by the way.
Calcifer posted that right smack in the middle of the condemnation of the plan. I think scum would have been more cautious of following it so easily once it had started.
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Are you fucking serious with this post? This is the single most bullshit thing I've read this entire day phase so far.In post 2434, DOMO wrote:
Isn't this hydra suggesting serene is scum? Shouldn't that effect your read on dramonic?In post 2428, BulbaFenix wrote:Then why bring it up, especially since Dramonic had claimed mason, which should have influenced your reads?
Bulba has a point though. Ank is saying dramonic is "slightly scummy", yet he hardly mentions serene in his entire ISO. Serene is way scummier than dramonic, if you're going to point the finger at one of the masons, it's gonna be serene. Very strange to call dramonic scummy without giving any consideration whatsoever to serene.
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Yeah, this guy's scum.In post 2438, DOMO wrote:I think bulbafenix is scum too, I'm willing to put my vote back there. I'm finding it hard to find a winning scum strategy after fakeclaiming mason on day one. Serene and dram are masons. If anyone wants to argue otherwise then please, by all means, show us how they can expect to win and I might entertain the idea. For now they are confirmed town and should be treated as such, as much as that pains me after the way serene has been playing.
pedit - bulba's slip?-
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What does this have to do with anything?In post 2466, DOMO wrote:Just to be clear, I can't find "ank" at all in prohwak's ISO.-
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If anything, you're the one that OMGUSed.In post 2535, DOMO wrote:Nice OMGUS. How exactly am I scum there ank? Because I realise why they're masons?
That post I voted you for reeked. Hard. I had literally just gotten done saying that those were not as much reads as direction those reads were going. I made it specifically clear I was looking at the first few pages of the game, long before Serene ever replaced in. The logic train you base on these two completely derp statements looks really bad.
So yes, I confirm voted. As you might have noticed, I had my vote on you long before this.-
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So basically, because of that garbage slip logic, I'm more than likely town if bulba is scum because a confirmed town didn't mention me at all.In post 2535, DOMO wrote:What does the lack of "ank" in prohawk's ISO have to do with anything? I happen to think serene found a slip with bulba's "hitting his stride" comment. How would bulba know hawk was hitting his stride? It does indeed suggest bulba knows that hawk was sniffing out his buddies. Thus, the lack of "ank" in hawk's ISO suggests that we shouldn't swing for you if bulba flips scum, because hawk wasn't exactly onto you ank. It's entirely relevant if you actually read my three quickposts together in context.
I don't see how that works, even if the 'slip' wasn't bad.-
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This was addressed. Read my ISO again please.In post 2629, StubbsKVM wrote:I agree with Domo that it's weird Ank does not address Serene, while claiming Dramonic is scum. Those 2 are connected due to their mason claim.-
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In post 2422, Ankamius wrote:Okreads regarding ProHawk's death:
Doc Holliday (Cephrir) is town
Broseidon is scum
Calcifer is probably town
Dramonic is slightly scummy
I remember I was doubting my read on BROseidon but I forgot why
I specifically didn't look beyond the first 3-4 pages, so mentioning Serene would've been a lot weirder than not.In post 2429, Ankamius wrote:I should have made myself more clear the first time.Those aren't my total reads on the players, just what direction the reads went with it.
I didn't say Cephrir was scum...? I was talking specifically about the first post, by the way.
Calcifer posted that right smack in the middle of the condemnation of the plan. I think scum would have been more cautious of following it so easily once it had started.
Partially because I forgot, and partially because YOLO