NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

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/confirm

let's all put down votes that don't count in a pre-game where we can say whatever we want bcuz lol SO HELPFUL, MUCH MAFIA, WOW

P-Edit: VOTE: NS

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wut

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What is the point of speculation? If we care that much, NL today and see how many people die. Otherwise, let us just proceed seeking out scummy people.

This.

Hey there friend-o.
VOTE: Maenara

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we can't rule it out

This is all any good Mod would've said, regardless of actual game setup, so I'm not sure what the point of this whole conversation was.
Obviously we have NO way of even discussing multiball without a flip + interactions or a multikill, so let's stop, k?

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ABP don't leave me hangin' I was looking forward to playing with you

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I don't read that as calling for a NL, Garmr

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Well, that's all I needed.

Unvote

Vote Garmr

Just wanted to make sure that my thoughts on a Garmr/Emo scum team were not unfounded.

Bulba the fuck are you on about

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shhh, quiet you - not talking to you
(also stop claiming VT, it's annoying)

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IYO she's that much of a Newb to so obviously connect to her partner D1, out of RVS?

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not rly what I was asking but whatev

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Garmr's posts have been awfully flaily and I was stopping further momentum from building when he was clearly a town read of mine. What response do you expect him to have? He has been discredited multiple times because of a misplaced vote. I am not interested in what Garmr has to say. He was designed to be a toxic wagon and Bulbazak sprung the trap.

If his posts have been flaily why is such a big Townread...?
Why are you not interested in what a Townread has to say...?
Who "designed" him to be a "toxic" wagon......?

P-Edit: So you're Townreading somebody whose posts you consider noise. That's dumb.

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...then you're guilty of the same kind of tunnel vision that went rampant in this game and which I had to watch with my skin crawling. Kindly adapt yourself to an adapting game or don't be surprised if I don't care what YOU have to say.

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VOTE: Bulbazak.

Weren't you a little shocked when you realized that non of your scum partners were PRs?

Yeh totally shocked I was even more shocked when I unlynchable godfather in vanilla only game.

He tried to make a joke in response to my statement where scum had no PRs. At the time, I suspected that he was not aware that this game was mountainous prior to my comment because of his awkward response.

Who said it was a vanilla only game?

Mod did

*quotes mod from 1st post*

Second post was made 10 minutes later, I suspect that he had to search where the game said it was vanilla only? The fact that he didn't use the word mountainous hinted to me that he didn't know what he was signing up for.

Didn't sign up for a mountingness game signed up for any random game only and got nabbed for this game when you said all your partners are vanilla.

Later he even admits that he wasn't aware that the game is mountainous until I commented on it.

This suggests to me that he is town.

Bulbazak, explain your bullshit please.

This does not look like a post made in your defense - it's CLEARLY in defense of Garmr, for whatever reason.

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What do you mean "what's my problem"?! You're not making sense! I'm questioning what I see as you being extremely inconsistent:

You say Garmr is a Townread, strong enough to defend (see below) on D1 against 2-3 votes, and yet you don't want to hear what he has to say?
You say you didn't mean to defend him (see above), that your post #133 is in your own defense, yet you only mention yourself in context of defending Garmr?

You say Bulba's "accusation" forced you to out said Townread through a defense that he didn't ask for (see above), and yet:
1) Bulba's "accusation" doesn't look at all serious to me, it was the first time in his ISO (3 posts total) that he'd mentioned either one of you.
2) It was kindof obvious at that point that you had at least a null-leaning-Town read on Garmr.
3) You "outing" a Townread is inconsistent with you saying you weren't trying to defend him in post #133, because...

If you actually cared about how Bulba's "accusation" affected you, you would've defended yourself, not Garmr.
If you were trying to defend yourself you wouldn't've outed anything about Garmr.

All that tells me you weren't ever actually trying to defend yourself, but rather Garmr, and your inconsistency is a result of trying to back out of the connection you've now established between you two. I don't actually think you're a Team like Bulba though - if I had to guess I'd say you did know that Garmr looked like a toxic D1 wagon, and you wanted to attach yourself on the defending side for Towncred.

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pooh

VOTE: emog

get it?

[Maestro]

by the way this is the part where we summon votes from the Netherworld of the Townbloc and wagon emogirl fo realz

lessgo

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Yes. What does the quoted portion of my post have to do with reading Bulba's posts?
I'm not interested in why he thinks you're a Scumteam, because I think he's wrong.

If you meant something else then explain, LOLQUESTIONMARKS doesn't translate well to my native language.

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I'm cool, you don't make sense gurl

Yes, I'm saying that C calling A + B Scum and B saying A is not Scum =/= B defending themselves.
That's exactly what it is: B saying A is not Scum. It's not you defending Garmr to defend yourself, that's silly.

It's you defending Garmr.

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Actually, it's pretty serious, especially for the early game. I have very good scumreads on the pair, and I plan to pursue them.

...yup now you're not making sense.
Do tell.

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yo Garmr, where you at bro?
I see you visited the site this afternoon, y u no post

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NOPE

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going to bed now, 4 AM ugh

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maestro yours is clearly bigger than mine. vote bulbazak please, or else i'm forced to scum read you for shrinkage.

...wtf

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Are you like, trying to ignore everything and just lobotomize yourself?
You're literally ignoring the inconsistencies and focusing hard on Bulba and derping

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1) Bulba's "accusation" doesn't look at all serious to me, it was the first time in his ISO (3 posts total) that he'd mentioned either one of you.

why isn't it serious? he placed a 3rd vote (4th if you count the RVS) on someone. he then made a very serious accusation about chainsaw afterwards. seems pretty serious to me

2) It was kindof obvious at that point that you had at least a null-leaning-Town read on Garmr.

ok?

3) You "outing" a Townread is inconsistent with you saying you weren't trying to defend him in post #133, because...

he associated me with Garmr so I defend myself by saying Garmr is clearly town and this isn't defending myself??

you seem mad.

I'll be back later, I feel that we both need to cool off for a bit.

I don't mind your exchange with Bulbazak, but this is pretty much all you've said about what I've posted so ???
Also I think you are very confused as to what I was trying to do today, but do go on ignoring m

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Actually, it's pretty serious, especially for the early game. I have very good scumreads on the pair, and I plan to pursue them.

...yup now you're not making sense.
Do tell.

I feel I've been pretty clear. I had an early inclination of possible scum theatre. I watched Garmr scum it up and wondered if I was right. I then saw Emo defend him against all his accusers. After that I voted and pursued my reads. What are you unclear on?

also just saw this - the progression from "lol is this scumtheatre?" THEN to "dual scumreads after a possible chainsaw" doesn't really make sense to me, but I might not be understanding correctly

P-Edit: ...I made a personal judgement of you???

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shhh, quiet you - not talking to you
(also stop claiming VT, it's annoying)

oh you mean this...

don't take me so seriously, I was just being a bitch and ordering you around

now engage with me (for lolz and because you might as well if you're going to ignore your wagon)
why is Bulba Scum again? (I don't care if you've said it before, I want it plain and simple

and so I can point and laugh

)

P-Edit: not tunneling on you at all, IMO, but ok, calm down now <3

I know Bulba from multiple games and outside of games so I thought I could read his personal attitude better than I obviously can, and FTR I don't think it's realistic to say that either of you would be snowball-lynched off of an accusation before page 10. And EVEN THEN, odds are we're smart enough as a Town to NOT mislynch twice in a row for the same reasons in the same situation.

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I said earlier I didn't think he was, that would be the only reason I would then make the post you just quoted
I'm not giving reads because I don't have to, and I'm placing no "responsibility" on your shoulders other than to engage with me if you don't want me to continue pushing your wagon

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I'm not giving reads because I don't have to

and also because that helps Scum realize who they could push and also because it's a game of 7 or 8 people right now

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Because I don't know what stance to take, he's being pretty annoyingly unuseful

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Hey! I've found scum. What are you doing?

I'm voting the same person you are 2 spots ahead of you but remaining confused about what looks like your general lack of commitment to this supposedly-strong Scumteam-read of yours.

"Susptected Scum theatre" + "was correct???" = *votehope between them* doesn't look like a logical trajectory.

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That thing I said, in the pre-game?

Yeah. That's still a thing. I mean, 67/229 posts? In a 19 player game? No thanks.

VOTE: emogirl123.

I'll take my chances with a 17-player game instead, thank you very much.

@Sotty7: Really?

I don't like this vote, FTR.

[Maestro]

Okay, so you vote off his attacker. Brilliant.

P.S. In Mafia, the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend. Additionally, the attacker of somebody I find mildly illogical and not-100%-Town is not my friend. I should have no qualms about voting who I want, when I want.

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second part of post not acknowledged, not happy Bulba

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Why?

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Ok Maestro is obvtown now

[Maestro]

Emogirl seems to have clear, if possibly misguided, town motivation flowing through all her actions.

...lol

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This post is pretty bad because it discredits what was actually happening. Instinct tells me that scum would be aware of such issues prior to posting something like this since it was obvious that my wagon was slowing down and it is comments like this that makes the mob lynch happy.

Someone with a meta read on Maenara should probably comment on this,

but if her wagon ever builds, I suspect it will be a misdirection.

So...she's discrediting you but can't be Scum for it because Scum never try to blatantly discredit people, which, coupled with your supposedly "slowing" wagon means that any switch to Maenara is misdirection...?

What's the point of even making post #259?

P-Edit @OGML: you never answered #246 AFAIK - why is Garmr > emo?

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Town makes bad emotional posts when they are annoyed with another player. Scum hesitates and consider if what they are posting will be subject to scrutiny.

...please go back to the Road to Rome if you think this is true even most of the time...because it's really not...

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Don't worry, my attention has not been diverted. I just need you to understand that what you just said is a really, REALLY bad basis for a read.

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I was looking forward to playing with him cuz I'd heard about him but he's posted like 5 words so WTF are people talking about again?

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Not liking the emogril wagon. I agree with OMGML: it is a lazy lynch.

And ABR isn't? Explain.

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I have never seen a mafia post over 25% of the threads total posts

Dear God. You're a 2014. How many Mafia Games have you seen at all?

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VOTE: kaboom

yeah no

How am I Scum with Bulba? tell me again plz emogirl, cuz we can still get this Oregon Trail moving along your way

And no offense to you and Godfather, but he right - experience outside of site means little to me simply because of this site's reputation and status as the best of the best in terms of Mafia. You made my point yourself: it really doesn't matter how dedicated a sub-community is, IMO, you've still been playing mafia on an

ANIME

site (my own example), or on a

POKER

site. Not a Mafia site. This is

THE

site for Mafia - EpicMafia is a joke and no other place to play comes close. Experience off-site gives you no impression of the meta on this site, and even then site meta changes with time. NS and other players in this game may have more knowledge of site meta from shortly after they started, and I don't, etc.

Also - I like my pseudo-ego, it works well for me in games and is fun for me regardless of alignment.

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I refuse to talk about my association read of Sotty and Bulbazak until I am no longer in danger of being hammered.

You're not anymore. Now that kaboom's waving his sign that says "I'M A SCUMFUCK" why don't you engage with me again about Bulbazak.

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Ageor, can I convince you to vote Bulbazak? Your vote on kaboom isn't going to accomplish anything.

WRONG, FRIEND-O

TOWNBLOC HO

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you didn't unvote when bulba is clearly scum. shame really.

Ok, elaborate on that last part then, because nobody else seems to think the same as you and tons more seem to be thinking the same as me.

P-Edit: Garmr's my man. (I hovered my mouse over it and escaped!)

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nobody else seems to think the same as you

Apologies,

TEBOW

seems to think the same as you.

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you did not want to bus Bulba

It's like you don't care about meta when it's relevant and ignore the progression/hierarchy of my reads when it suits you...

I've said I don't think Bulba's reasoning is entirely congruous, and I've said I don't like the trajectory of his vote(s).
I've also said I found you to be even more inconsistent and bullshit-full, but that I wanted to know why one of the other players is waving a "SCUMFUCK" sign.

Also, I never refrain from a good bus. Even when I've tried to go against my own meta...I just can't resist a good bus.
You're right! That would've been the perfect opportunity to bus Bulba if I were Scum with him! But then...you'd probably just call Scum for that instead...?

That's called confirmation bias, dearie, and you not voting me is

STILL

inconsistent what that. If you wanna, go ahead. I won't mind.



P-Edit: what the actual fuck is going on now?!
UNVOTE: [/

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON SOPT TALKING
kaboom is worse than Chevre, IMO

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VOTE: emogirl123

?!?!!?!?!?!
2;3
r,df

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I know. I'm just fucking confised

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gifs and links are null if used sparingly and appropriately, don't be silly Chevre

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Unvote: emogirl123

... *

snip

* ... [emogirl's play is] not feeling very town

[Maestro]

Chevre...why're you unvoting a Scumread?

[Maestro]

yeah cool I want an answer tho

VOTE: Chevre

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NonTown reads on you, Emo, Chevre, kaboom, ABR, and Acidic of varying intensities that should be apparent given my voting

[Maestro]

Just a spoiler: I've been playing mafia for 7 years. Should take my reads more seriously after I get lynched.

=/=

You mean that he thinks you're town? I've addressed it. I think he's wrong. Anything further than that and we're getting into playstyle issues.

I'll respond to this later. I feel like it is going to be a wall post, and that wasn't worth my time writing if I was being lynched anyways.

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I have trouble believing you thought it was scummy in the first place

Do you think Chevre is town or scum?



Unrelated: Maestro, where is that Tick Tock gif from?

I actually looked this up, it's apparently from Once Upon a Time. Look guys, I can have fun with links and .gifs. #surprise

Yup. Me saying "dearie" earlier in my post is also a reference to the same character from that show. Rumple is my fav. Good show, IMO.

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Yup, VI confirmed, move on now

[Maestro]

Prod received. Will catch up, etc. was getting re-addicted to Modded Minecraft. (sig relevant)

Maenara has failed to pick up her prod so I'm looking for a replacement.

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Waiting for emogirl to wow me with an explanation for her Maestro vote.

Same, but unfortunately I just started school and 2 prods in a week for me is dumb, I can't do this

[Maestro]

i have no tim to rad anyhing and it's 4 am...

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Sorry Huntress, I'm going to have to replace out.
Just can't handle playing at the moment - unexpected RL stuff has made it almost impossible for me to uphold my own Modding responsibilities...

Understood. I hope things get better for you soon.

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Tell me if I need to throw down a different vote to prevent NL in case Huntress can't find a replacement