Anyway, that presents an easy win condition.
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Apparently according to the mod I'm a jester.
Anyway, that presents an easy win condition.
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If I wasn't a jester I'd be lynching this guy for being obvious scum.
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This post is full retardIn post 56, beastcharizard wrote:Call me crazy, but Hopkirk it feels like you are busing Twisted. I know you aren't me but gosh do you remind me of a game where I basically came out of the gate busing my teammate.
Even if you aren't bussing I don't get the feeling that your posts are genuine in anyway.
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I like Kublai, they make me laugh.
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(also we should note that KKK is ranting about alignment-nonindicative things, like 'bad reasons for voting', 'how terrible it is when people roleplay' and 'secret hydras are so terrible'. These have nothing to do with anyone's alignment in game, and are a general distraction from mafia. I am sure he feels passionately about him, but like KKK himself, these are utterly irrelevant)ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Here I'll give you a failproof way of reading me.
1) Is it day 4+?
2) Do the scum have a night kill?
3) Are there no 'confirmed town' players (like masons) who need to be shot alive when a night kill was made?
4) Is GreyICE alive?
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Annnnntiiiiii!
You don't have an opinion on me Anti!
I'm sad.
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"You don't sound like you did in X Bob!" Meta makes me sad, Anti. Sadness can only be cured with murder.In post 90, Antihero wrote:
never pegged you for the needy type, greyice...In post 87, GreyICE wrote:Annnnntiiiiii!
You don't have an opinion on me Anti!
I'm sad.
Why meta anti?
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what about meta (who's meta)...?
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Knowledge that you have behaved differently in scum games is why meta is worthless, Bob.
My vote is in a good place.
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PSA: Katarina is also town
PSA: Bob is hitting the stage of scum where he knows that there's people with solid scumreads on him, but he's not quite sure what behavior will make him not be lynched.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 203, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
you aren't serious about the coaching accusation are youIn post 188, Turkish Van wrote:Bob--avoids engaging on points, like the coaching accusation. Dismisses people citing earlier games of his without elaboration.
please provide a game where I talked trash as scum
Also he forgot his original post was addressed to Turkish Van, not antihero.In post 208, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
my point is that antihero's meta-accusation is worthlessIn post 204, GreyICE wrote:Knowledge that you have behaved differently in scum games is why meta is worthless, Bob.
My vote is in a good place.
More need to join.
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Your response to it, however, is interesting.In post 208, Bicephalous Bob wrote:my point is that antihero's meta-accusation is worthless
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A clever deduction.In post 226, jbomber732 wrote:I think that does make guza seem even worse, because he seems to be employing the same strategy.
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No.
I've played with plenty and plenty of newbie town. They have a variety of playstyles. Some of them even come out and tell the town they have no bloody idea what they're doing and need guidance.
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Yes, I've noticed you waiting for our permission to vote Guza.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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'kay drugs are badIn post 284, notscience wrote:
You rolefishing.In post 281, beastcharizard wrote:Now, kindly explain your vote please.
Blatantly.
gg, scumfuck.
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Yo Genghis, you scum? Because after MoI I'm no longer believing that long walls full of zero content come from town because they are long and horribly, horribly written. Shall we summarize the content in yours?
Katarina:Calling yourself town is scummy.
Metal Sonic:Null!
Hopkirk:Town, except that he might be scum (so... null?)
Beast:Scummy-ish
Grey:Null! Too good of a player (haha, thanks for the compliment. I guess I'm good enough to read you then)
Bob:Town
PereV:Null
Notscience:"You know all that shit about not offending people? Yeah, that's just my usual passive-aggressive bullshit. I'm an asshole whenever I want, I just get mad if others treat me with the same lack of respect that I treat them with."Also null I'm betting.
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Aaaaantiiii, the best way to keep me happy is to sheep all my reads and then shoot me night 1In post 297, Antihero wrote:
with the kind of scumlords we have floating around out there? bob and khan, for instance.In post 295, notscience wrote:I failed english
Is the last quote me speaking or him.
I feel like burn/hopkirk will make their alignments known after a while, I've seen burn get run up every game he's had thus far and hopkirk is kinda out there. I'm waiting for a good non-lynchbait wagon.
you're really at that much of a loss?
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*she
And my reads are godlike
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I've never thought of you as that. Besides that one cop game, but we all had the idiot ball that game, so lets not go there. My play was pretty fucking awful too.In post 308, Antihero wrote:i dream of a day when you don't think i'm an incompetent stupid ass
sadly, i don't think that day will ever come...
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Well how else could you replicate my performance?
Nah but it's mostly the way this is like the first real conversation we've had, and it's all sarcastic and shit.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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My major reason is that in his 7 posts, he's managed to RVS vote with 2 of them, spent 3 of them debating with a random hydra about anonymous head reveal, asked a bunch of random questions in 1, and posted a read list that was "le wall de null" with his final.In post 315, Antihero wrote:super cereal time:
the main reason i dislike khan is his beast and monkeyman push
ok, fine, i can kind of accept it if he thinks i'm scum and i'm taking advantage of hopkirk (i'm kind of an abrasive asshole sometimes). but, come on, beast is pretty obvtown and monkeyman isn't that far behind him. to my understanding, the beast case amounted to "he's aggressively pushing his hopkirk read", which is pretty weak. the monkey case is even thinner.
now, i'd like to hear more about the "strongest scumreads": grey and jbomber, which apparently failed to come up in the last post.
But all of your reasons are great too.
Also you're town Or at least my favorite serial killer
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@Twisted: I don't do towncases. Read his ISO, you'll convince yourself.
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Genghis has been a member since what, like 2008? He's had six years on site. He knows the basics of appearing town, he's justIn post 337, Turkish Van wrote:Grey, I'm not sure about Khan right now; I agree that his stances are less than solid, but I'm also seeing some genuine attempts to figure people out in the process. I disagree about jbomber quite a bit though. His reaction to you calling him out on not voting doesn't read scummy. He eventually places a vote but didn't exactly leap to appease you in the process. I'd expect scum to move one way or hte other, especially with the slight town read on you he professed right around the time you called him out. Brown-nosing scum seem more likely to do that along with placing a vote, or get paralyzed and not vote at all.really rusty at it.
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Why are people not voting to lynch Khan?
I really am curious.
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Oh god you use meta to lynch people.
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In post 468, mnemonicdevice wrote:Greetings and Hello everyone!
Sorry that guzame didn't post anything of content.
Ashmed Tell, 100% autolynch
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Sheep Ashmed
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Shut upIn post 482, Twisted Advice wrote:I did catch that, and it doesn't sit well with me. The post surrounding it was also not great. Is it really worth making an instawagon of though? Someone may need to walk me through the theory behind it- is it simply "town don't iso their predecessors"? Because I totally do that.
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Look let me help youIn post 489, Twisted Advice wrote:I don't care for your tactics. I'll vote when I'm good and fucking ready.
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Because, as I said, the ashmed tell, properly applied, is infallible.In post 494, jbomber732 wrote:hmm did you not see the post where I vote for him? Does that answer your question?
@grey why does that give you an instant scumread? He seems scum but I woudln't vote for him for that 1 post.
And I'd rather vote a person for 2 posts than 20. All you'll get from 20 posts is a person's overall mentality and personality. Bob is a troll, Genghis is a pompous, passive-aggressive ass, antihero lacks self-confidence but is better than he gives himself credit for, Iago thinks they're super important, Malakittens is an awesome person.
There's no fairness in mafia, bomber. If it were fair, we'd give the new guy a pass for Guzame's behavior. We'd let them commit a few scumtells. We'd be real nice and let them get into the game, etc. etc. etc. That's not playing to your win condition. Not at all.
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I like you. You're going to go far in life.In post 475, Hopkirk wrote:I don’t like any of beast’s early posts as the logic is dreadful.
167 is an pretty false statement he’s making to try and get an easier lynch.
I changed my mind about the earlier stuff after viewing it again with less bias. It does look bad.
I dislike the way mafiassk only made 3 posts- with nothing but votes- then his last was to hop on a big wagon.
Bob does look bad.
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what why is that quoting hopkirk's post.
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Yo PV and Bob
Flirt in Guys Pt 2 or something
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Maybe one of them is the serial killer. We're kind of guaranteed to have one.
I dunno, I just know a scumclaim when I see one.
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Genghis, your fence sitting "he's scummy but I'm not voting because I'm going to milk this fake scumread for as much bullshit as the town will buy" is noted and ignored.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Implication that I'm seeking to end the day quickly to avoid the 1-vote wagon on me.
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I mean honestly. Lets assume for one second that this read was genuine, and you were actually town.
You would have spent the entire day doing nothing at all. Leaving me 9 votes away from lynch, and pushing the wagon with about as much effect as a flea pushing a lion.
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Yeah except I'm not pushing for a 24 hour speed lynch. In fact we're on pageMotherfucking 22.
We've had reads out the ass. The fact you post wall of null is a reflection of you. Not of what's available.
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You know, oddly, everyone can go see the wall, and my analysis of it. I do believe they are quite capable of forming opinions themselves.In post 533, Kublai Khan wrote:
Sure you're not. The minute anyone says "Woah, hold on let me consider my options..." you assault them with colorful gems like: "Shit or get off the pot, assclown".In post 532, GreyICE wrote:Yeah except I'm not pushing for a 24 hour speed lynch.
Also, didn't post a "wall of null". That's your unshared reality that you're hoping to make true by repeating it over and over.
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Yeah, lemme offer you a little hint. Experienced players aren't gonna be strongarmed by town. Especially not ones who think they're good (yes, he's delusional. Am aware)
Khan is scum because of behavior, and deserves his inevitable lynch. That being said, he's counting on his clownish behavior covering for his buddy at this point, with the idea that if I get distracted he'll be able to wiggle out of the wagon through being a better player.
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No, Captain Fuckwit, the stupidest happens every time you post. I could raise the average IQ of the thread 10 points by lynching you.
If you're not going to take part in anything of interest this game, sit down and shut up. You're barely playing at all at this point, so at least spare the rest of us your inane babble.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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YO BOBIn post 542, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
that's an unnatural response to slanderIn post 539, PeregrineV wrote:Why did I ignore an argument that isn't based on anything?
Because it's not based on anything.
And I don't even recall any sort of argument, but maybe I missed the arguing part.
the argument was pretty one-sided because you didn't participate
I don't like to hunt on my wagonAnd secondly, what I was expecting was why others think you are scum, since you did manage to go to L-1. To me, it seems like you should/would/could analyze your wagon to see where it comes from, and try to find scum on it.
So far, you've avoided doing anything remotely like that.
Why is that?
I do read you and device as scum though
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Your entire point is that "PV isn't playing to X meta."
That's not a point and it's not refutable. It's like saying "Saturn is transiting the belt of Orion, and every time that happens, you're scum."
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Keep up like this and I'll give you 8 of them tomorrow.In post 550, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Give me one reason that I should read back on this thread and make genuine reads.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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No no, Iago, that's not Ad hom. See, an ad hominem is where you say "because Kublai Khan is a complete idiot, his post is meaningless and all the points are invalid." See, I'm not interested in refuting his points. He refuted them himself when he pointed out his entire argument is WIFOM (maybe mnemonic is the scum roleblocker. Or Khan is the Serial Killer and thus has no idea who scum is, he just doesn't want to be night killed. Or maybe he thinks it would be scummier to join me on the wagon after voting me all day and is trying to 'be consistent').In post 551, Twisted Advice wrote:
Feel free to cut it out with the ad hom whenever you're ready.In post 544, GreyICE wrote:No, Captain Fuckwit, the stupidest happens every time you post. I could raise the average IQ of the thread 10 points by lynching you.
If you're not going to take part in anything of interest this game, sit down and shut up. You're barely playing at all at this point, so at least spare the rest of us your inane babble.
I'm just tired of him scumplaining about a wagonon someone he thinks is scummy and worthy of voting.If what he's going to do is come in here and complain about a wagon on someonehe has a scumread onthen he should not be posting. Period. It's obnoxious, shitty, terrible, awful play from a player who has pursued a personal vendetta against me outside of this game and is now angry that I don't particularly like him.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Okay.
Let me see if I can parse this.
Your initial argument was that PV was scummy because he was posting
Your new argument is that PV is scummy because he wasn't sufficiently angry about how incredibly ridiculous your initial argument was
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What would you call this, bob?In post 409, Bicephalous Bob wrote:oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote
pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him
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Okay, you've lost me. From the fact no one besides you seems to care about this, you've probably lost the rest of the town too.
Is there a point here that can be communicated clearly and without referencing meta?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Why would he address the meta talk? Especially if it's just random noise that's not supported by votes?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Honestly? He's not my strongest scum read (dats the guy my vote's on). Also honestly? He's a horrible human being, and if I had realized he was in the game I probably wouldn't have joined. And yes, he is a scumread.In post 570, jbomber732 wrote:@grey: I just can't see where you get this scumread on KK. He proves valid points, is helpful, genuine, and he was right when he said that it would be easier for scum to hop onto the wagon.
He's previously attacked me outside of game, and then decided in this game to play 'condescending high road prick'. He has contributed LITERALLY NOTHING to this game. Here is the list of what is worth his attention:
- Anonymous Hydras
- The meme 'going full retard, never go full retard'
- Me playing off his name
- Incivility from other people
- Posts he deems fluff (that he never follows up on, but man he likes to note it)
- Calling yourself town
- Defending himself from any suspicion
- Pushing wagons on people he claims to have scumreads on
- Discussing things with people to try and determine their alignment
So is the emotion genuine? Sure, it's genuine. But if he was town, he'd have WORKED PAST IT to try and win. As scum he's hiding behind it, because he can.
Go look over the valid points. Then start ticking the ones that are playstyle. Natirasha always self-voting. Posts he deems fluff. Etc. Go count the number of valid points when you've removed all playstyle critiques (and trust me, any player can critique a playstyle, town or scum). Go look over when he was helpful, and see how much of that help actually helped the town, and how much of it just helped people play more like what he'd like them to play like.
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It works because of a simple rule of thumb that you can always count on:Every scum replacement ISOs their predecessor.Period. You have to! You have to know what they claimed. You want to know what level of hot water you're in (or if they left you pretty good). You want to know what they did. You can't replace into a scum slot without needing to ISO your predecessor. Good scum play? It's the very basics.
The first thing you commented on was the thing that was foremost on your mind. Human instinct. The biggest thing that stuck out to you this game was your predecessor's play, because it's the thing you care the most about.
It's not grasping. It's not flailing about. It's simple, human psychology. We tend to talk about what we are thinking about. And you were thinking about GuzameShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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For newbies? Scum. By a rather large marginIn post 586, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Are there any statistics as to weather replacing out is more often scum or town?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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There's stats from newbie games in the Mafia Discussion forum. It's on the order of a newbie who replaces out is 50% more likely to be scum.
Also Khan has had the moderator pass on that he would like me to limit my behavior to the extremely civil discourse that is his trademark.
In post 41, Kublai Khan wrote:Could the asinine "anonymous hydra" reveal their membersIn post 44, Kublai Khan wrote:BTW - Don't reply for them notscience. Unless you're scum. If you're scum then by all means debate me on this topic and threadshit on the gameIn post 53, Kublai Khan wrote:2) If an alt walks in and says "Hey, I'm alt of someone so famous that they need an alt!" then yes, it creates a false flag. Mafia is a game of honed gut instincts and strategic pattern detecting. If you're flaunting your dishonesty about your identity then you fuck with gut reads. And if you're doing this as town, then you should be banned from playing.
3) None of that has anything to do withthis current game. So I don't give a flying fuck. Quit makingthis gameharder by bringing all sorts of nonsense garbage into it. hence my request that you drop the dumb dumb dumb charade.In post 293, Kublai Khan wrote:Ugh. Oh, it's you. Hidden in a hydra. You're one of the ones I've given up trying to convince that his "signature move" is just idiotic nonsense.In post 293, Kublai Khan wrote:notscience gets an F for reading comprehension on that last bit.In post 363, Kublai Khan wrote:Take someone like jbomber732. Is he a clueless town idiot or is he good at faking it.
I foresee a game of jolly civility ahead of us folks!In post 543, Kublai Khan wrote:Ugh. What is this? This is the stupidest..
No seriously folks, read these quotes and tell me how much of his "outrage" over me insulting him is real and how much is faked. This strike you like someone who gets worked up over a few insults?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Ah yes, here is the exact thread: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5723529
Jumps from 37% to 52%, which is extremely significant, based entirely on alignment. While newbies have an enormous replacement rate across the board, more than half of all scum newbies will replace out. It's not alignment proof... but yeah, if you see a newer player flake, take a GOOD look at that slot.
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