In post 294, GreyICE wrote:Yo Genghis, you scum? Because after MoI I'm no longer believing that long walls full of zero content come from town because they are long and horribly, horribly written. Shall we summarize the content in yours?
*shrug* I'm being honest so I don't care what you think. Words like "obvtown", "obvscum", and "PSA: X is town" get thrown around and retracted with so much abandon that they are meaningless. Mafia is a game of nebulousness and doubt. None of my reads are ever going to be 100% unless the mod is involved. If you think that's a scumtell, then you're not as good as I thought. Vague waffling is a scumtell. Specific grievances aren't.
In post 294, GreyICE wrote:Grey: Null! Too good of a player (haha, thanks for the compliment. I guess I'm good enough to read you then)
Oh, no. No, no, no. I'm sorry, I did not mean to give you impression that I think you're anything but scum right now.
I explained why. Apparently all you read was "blahblahblahihatehydrasblahblahblah". Maybe go back and answer my question first?
In post 315, Antihero wrote:ok, fine, i can kind of accept it if he thinks i'm scum and i'm taking advantage of hopkirk (i'm kind of an abrasive asshole sometimes). but, come on, beast is pretty obvtown and monkeyman isn't that far behind him. to my understanding, the beast case amounted to "he's aggressively pushing his hopkirk read", which is pretty weak. the monkey case is even thinner.
Gosh, the people I listed as "slightly scummy" on Page 10(ish.. whatever it was) have very thin cases on them. How atrociously suspicious of me.
In post 320, GreyICE wrote:My major reason is that in his 7 posts, he's managed to RVS vote with 2 of them, spent 3 of them debating with a random hydra about anonymous head reveal, asked a bunch of random questions in 1, and posted a read list that was "le wall de null" with his final.
I didn't RVS at all. Hydra quarrel was important to me. Random questions weren't. And the "le mur du nul" wasn't. Fall back and punt.
In post 330, Twisted Advice wrote:I had gotten the impression you were reading the thread, but you may have just proved me wrong.
If you don't care enough to summarize a case, then you're not serious about it.
In post 340, Antihero wrote:this would be good if khan was... i don't know.. an "intermediate" player (like me)
given his join date, i would think his scum game has advanced beyond that
It is. Playing scum is incredibly easier. All you have to do it randomly pacify people by calling them town. Don't state reasons for any read, let people infer whatever they want because it's easy to deny things you never stated. Threaten that you can change your mind on a whim to give yourself blanket immunity. And retaliate against anyone that puts suspicion on you first.
Somewhat related: have you checked out GreyICE's iso?
Also, my wiki isn't complete by any means. Site crashes have partially and wholly eliminated games so I don't bother updating it.
In post 344, Turkish Van wrote:What gets me about Kublai Khan's stance on Hopkirk and beast is that he doesn't have a clear read on Hopkirk any longer (citing post 174 as bad enough to throw his town read on Hopkirk into doubt) but he's still drawing conclusions about beast from beast's interactions with Hopkirk. The logic presented is disjointed in a way that could come from scum being artificial or town considering multiple angles. That he pings as town for other aspects of his play (willingness to be antagonistic, mostly) makes me lean town in his motivations.
Yeah, welcome to how I read every single one of you. Every comment everyone makes can be either a towntell or a scumtell depending on the personality and skill of the player making it. Take someone like jbomber732. Is he a clueless town idiot or is he good at faking it. I'm jealous of the days when I could say "wall = towntell" and mean it, but those days are long gone. I've seen too many good players to ever declare anything to be town or scum without reservation. That's one of the reasons I hate hydras so much. Figuring out a player's personality is tough enough. But two people? Who can discuss with each other? Fuck me. Hydras are always a wild card unless power roles help out.
I'm not making scum-groupings at this point because it's an execise in futility. I'm trying to hunt one scum at a time. Hopkirk is pretty transparent in his logical steps. He doesn't communicate it well, but it's there if you're willing to take the time to try to see things from his point of view. It's possible he's not town (stating you're initiating a "reaction test" when already under suspicion is not a pro-town move), but he's town enough that beastcharizard's vague yet insincere feelings are scummier.
And your summary of the Pick Your Poison game you saw me in is inaccurate. I played in a way to get myself run up Day 1
because
I was an Innocent Child. I figured it was a free Day 1 bandwagon. I'm going to assume that your description wasn't an attempt at a misrep.
In post 345, Antihero wrote:meh, antagonism is null unless it's serving a clear purpose to advance reads. i don't think complaining about hydras qualifies.
It does. I have a better baseline of the personalities I'm dealing with (since I can't shake the feeling that I probably know their main accounts).
In post 355, GreyICE wrote:Genghis has been a member since what, like 2008? He's had six years on site. He knows the basics of appearing town, he's just really rusty at it.
I can recognize baseless attempts to discredit someone calling you scum. So I have that going for me. Which is nice.
In post 359, Twisted Advice wrote:Hopkirk (3) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) – PeregrineV, Antihero
burn (2) – LotU, SSK
Everything else looks to be a one vote wagon. Could we consider lynching scum today, please?
What's your rush? We have like 18 days to discuss things.
