NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

Wake1 · Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:47 pm

I imagine Scum-Juls needs to mislynch me today, and kill Adrien tonight.

Fortunately, that's not going to happen.

Wake1 · Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:58 pm

In post 2581, Juls wrote:
In post 2197, Wake1 wrote:

In post 2151, BroodKingEXE wrote:Boon distancing himself from the Alina kill...

...do you reckon he killed Alina? Boonskiies, please weigh in on this asap.

Why did you
support
this thought process?

As with Aeronaut, I've caught Juls in a lie.

To ask a question is not the same as supporting a thought process.

Brood piqued my interest when he insinuated that Boonskiies was distancing himself from the ALina kill, which was in fact my kill.

In post 2582, Juls wrote:You still haven't explained why you chose cabd and Alina or why you think killing me would have pointed to you? Don't you want to kill scum?

Scum, you are reaching. My finger points squarely at you.

I did not explain my reason for killing them, because I don't recall being asked. Not only that, but I'm an extremely busy individual.

Oh, you think you are clever, Scum. Rephrase your "or why you think killing me would have pointed to you?" immediately.

Of course I want to kill Scum, and I can guarantee if I live today I think I'll take her out. And if you continue to push this, I will rain Hell down upon you this Day, and if by the grace of God you achieve my mislynch, you're so dead anyways.

Wake1 · Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:08 pm

Adrien, in my eyes you are confirmed Town.

I'm going to bed now. If you're online, fight to keep me from getting mislynched, please.

Juls I suspect more than Shaddowez. Hopefully I don't get quicklynched while sleeping.

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:26 pm

I don't think we're in LyLo. 5 Mafia and one SK would be too imbalanced.

I am the Odd-Night Town Vigilante, and was left alive by Scum. If I am left alive tonight, I may accidentally kill a Townie.

Adrien cannot be Scum, because that would mean there are two Mafia left. I know I targeted him Night 5; I don't fully understand why he's still alive. He must be Commuter, because if he was lying and tried to kill, I would have killed him.

I am very pissed with Boonskiies. Very angry. Am surprised Juls was Town, but I didn't want it to go down that way.

It is time for everyone to claim their roles.

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:27 pm

I am not voting. Whatever you do, WAIT.

If you don't, you're responsible for f****** over the Town.

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:29 pm

I don't know if Boonskiies as Scum would deliberately do something so stupid like that.

I'm not Scum, and I'm crossing Adrien off my Scumlist. If I reason Scum-Boonskiies wouldn't do that kind of crap, then that leaves Shaddowez and Burning_Town.

What does everyone think of this?

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:34 pm

My vote goes towards either Shaddowez or Burning_Town. Both haven't said much this game.

Boonskiies I've not ruled out as a lynch target either.

IF SOMEONE ALIVE has jailed/blocked me from performing my kill Day 5, or targeted Adrien with protection, that couldput a hole in the assumption that Adrien's Town.

It is time for EVERYONE to claim!

Wake: Odd-Night Town Vigilante
AdrienC: Odd-Night Town Commuter
Boonskiies:
Shaddowez:
Burning_Town:

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:39 pm

Assuming there's one Mafia left, and that Boonskiies is Town, it would make sense for the Scum to leave him alive...

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:47 pm

Everyone needs to claim ASAP.

Adrien, who are you thinking of voting?

Why haven't you been killed on Even-numbered Nights since your claim? It makes no sense to me.

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:49 pm

Also, Adrien, what's your read on Shaddowez and B_T? I don't trust Shaddowex based on his specious push on me Day 6.

Do you think I'm Town or Scum? If you believe I'm Town then you must not fall for any lies said today about it being otherwise.

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:52 pm

If someone jailed/roleblocked me Night 5, or otherwise tried to stop me, you need to say so now.

Wake1 · Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:04 pm

So you say you haven't been killed because there's people alive who've wanted to lynch you early on. That can be said for pretty much all of us.

We need to analyze every single vote cast and why.

Then we need to figure out who each of f the dead Mafia were protecting and accusing, and then draw parallels in order to deduce who they wanted to keep from getting lynched.

I'm asking you guys to please not vote yet. We need to go over all the evidence that's been provided to us.

Yeah, I'm surprised I haven't been NK'd, either. You and Boon, if Town, were left alive for a reason. I know I'm Town, and was left alive as well. Frankly I'm waiting for that last remaining Scum to try and drive forward a mislynch on one of us. From my viewpoint you and Boon are more likely to be Town than Scum, but aren't completely ruled out. Scum knows this, too.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:09 am

In post 2616, Boonskiies wrote:
Aegor also cop confirmed me in crumbs basically.

Please quote that with links.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:51 am

HEY, I'M NOT THAT SNEAKY.

I WOULD NEVER BE SNEAKY.

EVER.

SERIOUSLY.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:52 am

Shaddowez and Boonskiies, roleclaim please.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:29 am

Shaddowez has been gone 3 days, 9 hours.

Waiting on him with bated breath to fabricate reasons to mislynch me.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:30 am

In post 2568, shaddowez wrote:My role isn't really going to change things one way or the other - I've got nothing to hide, and since the massclaim started (but stalled on Wake), I may as well.
I'm a VT.
I figured since I'm the one proposing the Wake lynch, if people sheep me and he flips town I would just throw myself into the plan since that's likely what would happen. I'm not going to vote myself or try to get lynched, but I don't want to make it look like I'm just trying to get Wake lynched with no repercussions either.

Caught this.

Boonskiies, your role?

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:35 am

If Boonskiies claims VT, and there aren't any Town PRs being stupid and not claiming, then that means nobody f***** with my attempt to kill Adrien Night 5. The thought crossed my mind that he could be a Roleblocker, but if there's only one Mafia left then that's not possible, because if he RB'd me then how'd someone else die? I HIGHLY doubt there's five Mafia, ergo two Scum remaining. I'd be furious with Toomai if that were the case, because that's broken.

If there's a Town PR besides me left alive, you need to speak up right now.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:35 am

Otherwise, Adrien is Conftown and will not be lynched today.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:37 am

Going over Vote Counts now.

I hope nobody's screaming in the Dead Zone.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:03 am

In post 958, Toomai wrote:
Votecount D1-19
Sharpest-knife-on-tree
L-11
0
—

Cabd
L-11
0
—

TheAdrienC
L-11
0
—

reinoe
L-11
0
—

Wake88
L-10
1
Clusk92

Burning_TowN
L-11
0
—

shaddowez
L-11
0
—

Damon_Gant
L-11
0
—

Mirhawk
L-11
0
—

Not_Mafia
L-11
0
—

Aegor
L-11
0
—

Scarab
L-11
0
—

farside22
L-11
0
—

Boonskiies
L-10
1
Burning_TowN

BroodKingEXE
L-11
0
—

Juls
L-11
0
—

Aeronaut
L-11
0
—

HunterSeeker
L-5
6
Damon_Gant
, TheAdrienC,
reinoe
,
BP
,
Alina
,
Wake88

Clusk92
L-0
11
farside22
, shaddowez,
Cabd
,
Mirhawk
,
HunterSeeker
,
Aeronaut
,
Scarab
, Boonskiies,
Sharpest-knife-on-tree
,
Aegor
,
Not_Mafia

BP
L-11
0
—

Alina
L-11
0
—
Not voting:

BroodKingEXE
,
Juls

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:11 am

In post 1836, Toomai wrote:
Votecount D2-15
Sharpest-knife-on-tree
L-10
0
—

TheAdrienC
L-8
2
HunterSeeker
,
notscience

reinoe
L-10
0
—

Wake88
L-9
1
BP

Burning_TowN
L-10
0
—

shaddowez
L-10
0
—

notscience
L-10
0
—

Mirhawk
L-10
0
—

Not_Mafia
L-10
0
—

Aegor
L-8
2
shaddowez,
Wake88

Scarab
L-10
0
—

Boonskiies
L-7
3
Burning_TowN,
BroodKingEXE
,
Alina

BroodKingEXE
L-10
0
—

Juls
L-10
0
—

Aeronaut
L-10
0
—

HunterSeeker
L-0
10
Sharpest-knife-on-tree
,
Aegor
,
Scarab
,
Juls
,
Not_Mafia
, TheAdrienC,
Mirhawk
,
reinoe
,
Aeronaut
, Boonskiies

BP
L-10
0
—

Alina
L-10
0
—
Not voting:

none

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:16 am

In post 2096, Toomai wrote:
Votecount D3-6
Sharpest-knife-on-tree
L-0
8
TheAdrienC,
Alina
,
Aeronaut
,
Aegor
, shaddowez, Burning_TowN,
Not_Mafia
,
Juls

TheAdrienC
L-7
1
TheWayItEnds

Wake88
L-8
0
—

Burning_TowN
L-8
0
—

shaddowez
L-8
0
—

Mirhawk
L-8
0
—

Not_Mafia
L-8
0
—

Aegor
L-7
1
BP

TheWayItEnds
L-8
0
—

Boonskiies
L-7
1
BroodKingEXE

BroodKingEXE
L-8
0
—

Juls
L-8
0
—

Aeronaut
L-6
2
Mirhawk
,
Sharpest-knife-on-tree

BP
L-8
0
—

Alina
L-7
1
Boonskiies
Not voting:

Wake88

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:21 am

In post 2327, Toomai wrote:
Votecount D4-5
TheAdrienC
L-7
0
—

Wake88
L-7
0
—

Burning_TowN
L-7
0
—

shaddowez
L-7
0
—

Mirhawk
L-7
0
—

Aegor
L-4
3
BP
,
Aeronaut
, Burning_TowN

TheWayItEnds
L-7
0
—

Boonskiies
L-6
1
—

BroodKingEXE
L-7
0
—

Juls
L-6
1
BroodKingEXE

Aeronaut
L-7
0
—

BP
L-0
7
Aegor
,
TheWayItEnds
,
Wake88
, TheAdrienC,
Juls
,
Mirhawk
, Boonskiies
Not voting:
shaddowez

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:24 am

In post 2376, Toomai wrote:
Votecount D5-2
TheAdrienC
L-5
0
—

Wake88
L-4
1
Aeronaut

Burning_TowN
L-5
0
—

shaddowez
L-5
0
—

Mirhawk
L-5
0
—

Boonskiies
L-5
0
—

BroodKingEXE
L-5
0
—

Juls
L-5
0
—

Aeronaut
L-0
5
Juls
, Boonskiies,
Mirhawk
,
Wake88
, TheAdrienC
Not voting:
Burning_TowN, shaddowez,
BroodKingEXE

With
9
alive it takes
5
to lynch.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:26 am

In post 2600, Toomai wrote:
Votecount D6-4
TheAdrienC
L-4
0
—

Wake88
L-2
2
shaddowez,
Juls

Burning_TowN
L-4
0
—

shaddowez
L-4
0
—

Boonskiies
L-4
0
—

BroodKingEXE
L-4
0
—

Juls
L-0
4
TheAdrienC, Burning_TowN,
Wake88
, Boonskiies
Not voting:

BroodKingEXE

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:33 am

If shaddowez thinks he can wait this one out, he's mistaken.

VOTE: Shaddowez

Where is everyone?

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:41 am

Wait a minute.

{Factional}
abilities belong to a group and are executed by a chosen member.
In general, a player may use a factional ability and a personal ability in the same night,
but not two factional ones or two personal ones.

1

Toomai, does this mean a Scum Odd-Night Commuter could use his ability AND use his factional ability to kill someone? 'Cause it's looking like your rules say the member of Scum could do a factional kill and a personal ability at the same time.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:18 pm

In post 2638, Toomai wrote:
In post 2637, Wake1 wrote:
Toomai, does this mean a Scum Odd-Night Commuter could use his ability AND use his factional ability to kill someone? 'Cause it's looking like your rules say the member of Scum could do a factional kill and a personal ability at the same time.

By default, yes, a groupscum member may carry out the factional kill and use their personal ability on the same night. However, it is possible that (for example) their personal ability has a clause such as "You cannot carry out the factional kill on the same night you use this ability."

Do you reckon an Odd-Night Commuter ability would have such a clause? You'll feel better if you get it off your chest.

In post 2639, shaddowez wrote:
In post 2632, Wake1 wrote:If shaddowez thinks he can wait this one out, he's mistaken.

VOTE: Shaddowez

Where is everyone?

What do you mean wait this out? The fact I haven't posted yet? Look at my ISO and you'll see that 95% of my posts are within the same 8-9 hour period (6PM - 3AM EST). Look at that...it's about 7:00 and I'm posting.

In post 2635, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Burning_Town

Boon
- Why B_T? I know that you were suspicious of him yesterDay, is it due to his jumping on the Juls wagon?

I'm still of the opinion Wake is scum. If there's only one kill tonight, he could easily use the excuse of "I didn't want to put us in LyLo tomorrow if I shot a townie". While Brood was a mostly confirmed town, it still seems like it would have made more sense to get rid of Wake before he could get off another shot if there is indeed only 1 scum left.

The other option, and I'm not sure why I didn't think of it earlier, is that Adrien is lying about his commuter claim and is actually an RB. If Wake is telling the truth, Adrien could have just been super lucky with not being targetted by Aero, or blocking him. Once Aero was dead, he may have been blocking Wake. I find this less likely, however, mostly because of the precedent of no roles being duplicated.

I'd like to hear from Adrien and B_T before voting.

In post 2640, shaddowez wrote:
In post 2638, Toomai wrote:
In post 2637, Wake1 wrote:
Toomai, does this mean a Scum Odd-Night Commuter could use his ability AND use his factional ability to kill someone? 'Cause it's looking like your rules say the member of Scum could do a factional kill and a personal ability at the same time.

By default, yes, a groupscum member may carry out the factional kill and use their personal ability on the same night. However, it is possible that (for example) their personal ability has a clause such as "You cannot carry out the factional kill on the same night you use this ability."

And, that disproves my earlier reasoning for assuming Adrien to be town. I would have thought commuter would exempt you from that. Well then...more thinking to do.

I want you to keep posting. And B_T, and Boonskiies... and Adrien. All of you have been slacking and not posting enough. Sorry, that's just how I feel atm. Also angry about Boonskiies quickhammering Juls without a pair of brain cells to rub together. Juls may not have been that friendly, but at least she stayed active.

If you think I'm Scum, let's see you vote me. Come on, I dare you.

Since it's doubtful Toomai would give Scum the ability to commute AND kill on the same Night (because you've commuted ergo vacated the area), I highly doubt Toomai would make a broken unit like that. SO, Adrien becomes unlynchable on my end today.

That leaves Boonskiies, Shaddowez, and B_T. You've posted, but now Boonskiies and B_T are lost in the wind, and it's giving me the heebie-jeebies.

Frankly, as the Odd-Night Vigilante I don't want to end up shooting anyone. Why, after lynching the SK, essentially claim being the Odd-Night Vigilante unprovoked if I were Scum? Do you not think, if I were Scum, I would rather be content to stay quiet? Only as Town, suspecting my life would be ended, would I do that. And now I am certain Adrien is Town, unless Toomai made him a juggernaut that can commute and kill at the same time.

What I don't understand is why the remaining Scum would leave me and Adrien alive, when we're both Town. Why? Maybe the remaining Scum thinks Wake gets weaker as the game goes on when it comes to gameplay analysis...

For example, you insinuate Adrien is actually a Roleblocker, when you know I've said I targeted him Night 5 for death... and he lived. No other Town PR has claimed, saying they blocked my kill. That would be the only thing that'd break my stance that Adrien is conftown. The moment I die and flip Town, Adrien becomes confTown. The moment he flips Town, I become confTown. He's not a Roleblocker. He commuted when I tried to kill him, and someone else died. A Roleblocker can't block some and kill someone else at the same time. You know this. If he blocked me from killing him Night 5, then you Shaddowez must explain why someone else died that Night. Are you implying there's a 2nd Scum, that's also able to NK at the same time? No, that's not possible, and no, he's not a Roleblocker. If either of us die, the other is confTown.

If Scum has ANY hope of living, he MUST lynch either me or Adrien today, and kill the other tonight. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I will fight tooth and nail to keep Adrien from getting lynched, and I expect the same from him.

Neither of us must die today. If one of us dies, the other becomes confirmed Town.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:48 pm

Why do you think it's reasonable to roleblock and NK, but not commute and NK? I think both sets of abilities being used at once are overpowered.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:38 pm

If we lynch Shaddowez or Burning_Town, I'll Vig the other.

Wake1 · Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:09 pm

My paranoia is acting up.

I have a dreadful feeling that Adrien could be Scum. Damn it.

Why the Hell would Toomai add that bit about using a factional ability and a personal ability at the same damned time, yet make the Mafia team be comprised of 1 Godfather and 3 Goons???

Guys, I beg you to please wait with voting.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:40 am

I think I'd be wise to check if Aegor crumbed that Boonskiies was innocent.

Toomai's factional clause about a person using two abilities at once is bothering me. I can see it being broken for someone to commute and kill at the same time, but roleblock and kill seems a bit less overpowered. That would also explain Night 5.

If Toomai really did have five Mafia in this game, and my vote's got shaddowez pinned down... and he's Town... why haven't both hypothetical Scum jumped on it for game? They would have had more than enough time. I don't think Toomai would be cruel like that and have us deal with five Mafia. My vote will stay on shaddowez today.

TN, talk more, please. Boonskiies, if you're Town, don't do anything silly. Unless it entails voting for shaddowez. Speaking of which, why the unvote, B_T? *Looks at the smaller head*

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:46 am

Why would the factional bit that allows a player two abilities in one Night be added if it's not getting used?

...

This is starting to disturb me.

There must be a Mafia PR that can kill and use an ability (like roleblocking). If not, then the mention about the Factional multi-abilities is pointless.

...

UNVOTE: shaddowez

A role should exist in the Scum team that can use both abilities at once. That would explain one AdrienC being able to roleblock me and call it commuting, while killing someone else. Or, Toomai just put that bit in there to screw with us, which'll get me ticked.

Adrien, you're not talking enough.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:49 am

Well, that was fast.

In post 1280, Aegor wrote:
You should move your vote off of him and onto HS. Boonskiies is town, and I do not change scumreads to townreads very often.

We're not lynching Boonskiies today. Or ever, for that matter.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:54 am

Not liking this dispassion, guys.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:08 am

Aegor left no crumbs about shaddowez's alignment. Thought I had something on Adrien from Aegor's view in 1806. It looks like he had B_T at nullish in 2048.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:13 am

Why isn't B_T angry or emotional or fighting to not have us follow through on lynching shaddowez and Vigging him? Town would probably have some fire in the belly, especially if there were two heads. Then again, maybe B_T is Town and suspects shaddowez, and figures it's game if we plug him.

Adrien, vote shaddowez please.

...would Scum-tn5421 and Scum-Burning-Earth leave me alive on purpose, because they view me as a weak player? Not sure if Adrien would, or shaddowez.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:15 am

Tn, B_E voted shaddowez and then you unvoted, and then voted shaddowez.

Why?

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:17 am

In post 2668, TheAdrienC wrote:Sorry about me not being here a lot. I'm still waiting for AT&T to fix our internet.

If I had claimed I was a commuter just now, I could see you saying "Oh maybe he's a roleblocker". But I claimed it day one so I have to have "winning the lottery luck" to fakeclaim it as a roleblocker and block you from killing me. How would I know you were killing me when you gave no indication of targeting me? How would I know you were a vig? Keep in mind, my first reaction when I saw that post of your old targets was a scum slip and I immediately voted for you, meaning I had no indication you were a vig.

Couldn't the mafia have something like a role cop to search for PRs?

Yeah, you claimed Day 1, yet here you are, Day 7, alive.

It doesn't take a genius to discern my crumbs Days in advance. The moment I brought up there maybe being an ON-Vig is the moment people should have realized I was crumbing my role.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:18 am

Checking something. We need to look over how the three dead Mafia mingled with Adrien, shaddowez, and B_T. What they did and didn't do around them in this game.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:29 am

Scarab/TheWayItEnd = Scumfuck.

SCARAB REGARDING:

Shaddowez

~ Only mentioned shaddowez one time, in 38

Burning_Town

~ Never mention B_T. If wrong please correct this.

AdrienC

~ Never mentioned AdrienC, either.

THEWAYITENDS REGARDING:

Shaddowez

~ Never mentioned or quoted shaddowez. Ever.

Burning_Town

~ Questioned B_T once in 1987.

AdrienC

~ Voted AdrienC in 1912. Voted him again in 2196.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:37 am

Reinoe = Scumfuck.

REINOE REGARDING:

Shaddowez

~ Didn't really question shaddowez in 1212. Bounced an idea off him about HS pulling a "Wake."

Burning_Town

~ Didn't really say anything about him, either.

AdrienC

~ Spoke with him twice in 1376 and 1457. Nothing mentioned by him that'd cast AdrienC in one light or another.

I haven't been able to connect any dots between reinoe and any of these guys. Maybe that was deliberate?

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:51 am

BP = Scumfuck.

BP REGARDING:

Shaddowez

~ Never voted, questioned, or directly talked to shaddowez in all 138 posts.

Burning_Town

~ Spoke with B_T once in 1470.

AdrienC

~ Placed suspicion on Adrien in 214. Giving Adrien grief in 327. That continues in 329. More grief in 650, 727, and 802. The latter BP is trying to call him Scummy. Same in 843. Scum scumreading Adrien in 2189.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:14 am

Scarab/TheWayItEnds, reinoe, & BP = Scumfucks.

THEM REGARDING YOURS TRULY:

1) SCARAB/THEWAYITENDS REGARDING WAKE88:

Scarab

~ Trying to lynch my ass in 80. Menioned my name in a few spatterings here and there, and then replaced out.

TheWayItEnds

~ Giving me a whole lot of grief in 2201. Also tried lying about me and Juls in his first sentence there. Being a monkey in 2268.

2)

reinoe

~ Giving me grief way early on in 69. Scumreading me in 734. Trying to get me in 1073. 1165: Trying real hard to discredit me. Again in 1427. Very sneaky in 1749.

Now, which of B_T, shaddowez, and AdrienC has given me the most grief, like these three dead Scum?

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:16 am

In post 2681, Wake1 wrote:
Scarab/TheWayItEnds, reinoe, & BP = Scumfucks.

THEM REGARDING YOURS TRULY:

1) SCARAB/THEWAYITENDS REGARDING WAKE88:

Scarab
~ Trying to lynch my ass in 80. Menioned my name in a few spatterings here and there, and then replaced out.

TheWayItEnds
~ Giving me a whole lot of grief in 2201. Also tried lying about me and Juls in his first sentence there. Being a monkey in 2268.

2)
reinoe
~ Giving me grief way early on in 69. Scumreading me in 734. Trying to get me in 1073. 1165: Trying real hard to discredit me. Again in 1427. Very sneaky in 1749.

Now, which of B_T, shaddowez, and AdrienC has given me the most grief, like these three dead Scum?

Damn, my section on BP disappeared.

3)

BP

~ Oh, damn, where to even begin. Searched my name on his ISO and got 117 hits.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:43 am

B_T

~ Though the heads initially quarreled over my alignment, and had a hiccup here and there, the did not seem to be like the other three Scum who tried their damndest to railroad me. ...

AdrienC

~ FOS'd me in 61. Voted me in 68. Apparently scumreading me in 223. 514: Wake88 = strongly leading Scum. Placing doubt on me in 636. And do not think I forgot your 287. His 729 is incredibly Scummy, and sticks out like a sore thumb.

...

...Juls did mention you were being fake, Adrien.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:49 am

...shaddowez did accuse me of being the Serial Killer, and tried to achieve my lynch.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:54 am

Adrien, you didn't die last Night. If you're a Town Commuter, which happens to be a threat to Scum assuming you're Town, why didn't they kill you?

I don't see how, since you claimed Day 1, you were unscathed Day 2, 4, and 6.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:00 am

In post 2648, TheAdrienC wrote:I'm worried the scum was expecting that.
But then again, unless we're missing something, it has to be one of them.

I trust you, Wake.
It's your call.

I've got a Juls perched on my shoulder, pecking my ear.

Hope I didn't give you the impression I wasn't testing your fakeness for myself.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:01 am

VOTE: AdrienC

I trust you, AdrienC.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:08 am

In post 2668, TheAdrienC wrote:
If I had claimed I was a commuter just now, I could see you saying "Oh maybe he's a roleblocker". But I claimed it day one so I have to have "winning the lottery luck" to fakeclaim it as a roleblocker and block you from killing me. How would I know you were killing me when you gave no indication of targeting me? How would I know you were a vig? Keep in mind, my first reaction when I saw that post of your old targets was a scum slip and I immediately voted for you, meaning I had no indication you were a vig.

Rephrase this.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:27 am

In post 2691, TheAdrienC wrote:Lol! Dude, you are a vig who wasn't killed!
The same argument can be made for you.
I really hope another game can hurry up and end so I can give you some meta on me.

Did you not say you trusted me? Just words made to crumble, I see.

My vote stands. I suspect you're a Roleblocker, who roleblocked me Day 5, and killed someone else at the same time thanks to Toomai mentioning that Scum could do both at the same time. It fits, and you've conveniently made it look like you're an Odd-Night Commuter.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:32 am

In post 2649, shaddowez wrote:The biggest part of this game that still bothers me is N3. It is the only night that has absolutely no defined answer on how we only had two kills when we have a scum faction, a confirmed SK, and a supposed (Sorry, can't say you are until your flip) ON-Vig. The only possibility I can think of is that the remaining scum is RB or JK and managed to stop Aero's kill that night. If that's the case, then it's safe to assume your vig kill won't work tonight. That means a mislynch today puts us into Mylo tomorrow. Heck, if Adrien is scum, that puts us into Lylo tomorrow, but I'm hoping at that point whoever's left alive can figure out who the scum is.

We lynch Adrien today. This way he cannot roleblock me and kill someone else tonight. Remember what Toomai said. If for some reason Adrien flips Town, I'll kill someone tonight. It won't be Boonskiies.

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:34 am

In post 2695, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 2693, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2691, TheAdrienC wrote:Lol! Dude, you are a vig who wasn't killed!
The same argument can be made for you.
I really hope another game can hurry up and end so I can give you some meta on me.

Did you not say you trusted me? Just words made to crumble, I see.

My vote stands. I suspect you're a Roleblocker, who roleblocked me Day 5, and killed someone else at the same time thanks to Toomai mentioning that Scum could do both at the same time. It fits, and you've conveniently made it look like you're an Odd-Night Commuter.

I trust you to be town at this point, Wake. Because I know that the mafia has to be either Shadow or B_T.

Oh, I would have believed that, had Toomai not said a Mafia member could USE A PR

and

kill at the

same time

!

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:54 am

In post 2694, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 2690, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2668, TheAdrienC wrote:
If I had claimed I was a commuter just now, I could see you saying "Oh maybe he's a roleblocker". But I claimed it day one so I have to have "winning the lottery luck" to fakeclaim it as a roleblocker and block you from killing me. How would I know you were killing me when you gave no indication of targeting me? How would I know you were a vig? Keep in mind, my first reaction when I saw that post of your old targets was a scum slip and I immediately voted for you, meaning I had no indication you were a vig.

Rephrase this.

How likely is it that I set up an Odd Night Commuter fakeclaim on Day One to have it confirmed on Night 6 by just so happening to roleblock the Odd Night Vigilante on Night Five? Occum's Razor, Wake. What's the most reasonable explanation that someone who claimed to be untargetable on Odd Nights survive an Odd Night Vig attempt? I had no idea you were a vig, I had no idea you were targeting me, so even if I was a roleblocker, why would I target you for a roleblock? Scum would probably want the vig to take out another townie, right?

The reason you couldn't kill me was because I vacated the premises. You practically confirmed that. If there was a way to safely do this, I'd say go ahead and make a kill this night phase without tell me if it will be me or someone else. If you try to kill me, it will fail. If you try to kill someone else, it will succeed. 100% of the time. I don't have an active role. I have a blue little P on my role PM where it says I am gone for the night.

And if there is a roleblocker, there is a chance that person is someone else, not necessarily the person you targeted. Personally, with all these roles the town has, I'm seriously thinking there's something to help the scum find PRs like a rolecop.

As for why I'm alive this far into the game, they probably wanted me alive with Juls since it would be possible to lynch me and they probably didn't want to kill last night me to confirm you.

I failed to kill you on Day 5.

However, before 2377, Night 5, I crumbed doggedly being the ON-Vig in posts 2240, 2218, 2197, 2136, 2134, 1989, 1983, 1971, and on.

As Scum Roleblocker, it would be easy for you to deduce I was the ON-Vig, and roleblock me while killing others, because you had not one but

two

abilities to use at your disposal. Toomai said it's possible a Scum role can use a personal ability AND a NK in the same Night. How common is Mafia Roleblocker as a personal ability in a Large Normal, especially when a Godfather and two Goons are dead?

Wake1 · Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:08 am

Boonskiies, shaddowez, Burning_Town, please vote for AdrienC.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:31 am

Wow, so I got a successful wagon going and helped take out Scum.

Thank God I kept questioning myself. Thought Juls was on to something, too.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:46 am

In post 2760, Aegor wrote:
@Wake:
Nice job at the end. I strongly disagree with your early kills, and the fact that you and scum shot the same people is...not awesome, but nice job with setup spec at the end. As a note, Commuters should never, under any circumstances, be considered cleared.

@Toomai:
Thank you for modding this game. It had a great setup, my role was awesome, and this was the smoothest and most aesthetically beautiful modding I have seen in some time.

@All:
If you want more Large Normals, Wake's is now in signups, and you should definitely pre-in for mine.

I got the feelings they were Scum. Those scum-vibe feelings. Chances are I'll make mistakes early on in the game, and that goes for mislynching folks on accident, too. Hindsight is 20/20, and I try not to get mad with people after the fact for being wrong.

Thought I was on to something late in the game, and it looks like it helped in getting us to not die.

In post 2762, TheAdrienC wrote:Toomai, you had a great game, most fun I've had in a mafia game.

Wake, you got me! I panicked a little when I realized you were shifting to distrusting me.

I tend to distrust players more than others, which is why I don't like making reads lists. Everyone's suspicious to some degree, and in this case the paranoia was a good thing.

In post 2766, shaddowez wrote:And damn, N1
and
N3 had someone double-targeted. That definitely threw me for a loop. Was convinced for a while Wake was putting on the hugest gambit ever.

Haven't done a gambit in over 7 months.

No wonder I was confused over Nights 1 and 3. Ha!

In post 2774, Mirhawk wrote:Wake was instatown the second he posted that he was responsible for those kills. Double so seeing as how Aero flipped SK immediately afterward.

True. I figured my goose was cooked that Night.

Adrien, did you leave me alive? If I'm in a good Town-Light, don't ever leave me alive, especially in late-game. I suck in early game, but play much better late game.

Juls

, my life is health care. I know how to talk to people. Mafia's different, because want to manipulate, kill, and drive you crazy via paranoia. Easy to talk smack after the game is over, and I could also discuss your own flaws in this game, but that'd be doing the same thing you're doing.

Toomai

, thanks for running a good game. I can be abrasive and forceful at times, but that's a small part of my personality. Don't think I noticed any hiccups in snags in your game, either.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:10 am

To the Scum and Dead QTs!

*Dons helmet and armor.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:16 am

Reading over the funny comments about me saying there's a Vig here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=58281

Like this: "Lol at Wake pushing this "odd night vig" nonsense. Any vig claim at this point is a serial killer claim."

Ha!

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:23 am

I did notice Cabd's nasty comments.

Perhaps if Cabd didn't come off as an incredibly foul, mean person towards towards players, those players wouldn't react in kind in a different way.

When Town plays as a team, Town also doesn't vomit their nastiness on other players. I've done that in the past, and I don't pretend I haven't.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:27 am

Reading through.

Yep, some people being crappy and grousing. "Like, WHAT, I'm ALWAYS SO TOWN, how dare you Vig MEEEEE!"

And Wake's part of the reason we won.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:30 am

Yeah, I'm so stupid, yet I stayed alive and helped lead the wagon to lynch the remaining Scum.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:32 am

Cabd, where does it say the Vig is supposed to take out the lurkmass? I thought Town Vig's were allowed to shoot whoever they personally felt was Scum, too. Maybe since your word is law we should make it so the Vig's only shoot lurkers, since that's what you're essentially arguing.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:33 am

It's really easy to talk shit when you're dead and know what everyone is.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:37 am

The reason my reads change so quickly is because I'm constantly pushing through the ideas and angles in my head. When I started picking apart the notion that Adrien was innocent, and started realizing that maybe I'm wrong about him, that's when my views started changing.

So for those judging me for being stupid, think twice when you realize things didn't go exactly as you kept saying. I'm only human, and if given time I can do my part as well.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:49 am

Oh, I'm Darth Vader now?

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:54 am

I don't like how people say "oh, don't shoot X and Y because they're Town." Well, no, you don't know that, either.

If memory serves Alina was agreeing with me a bit too much, like Adrien. Don't buddy me in games, or come off as way too agreeable. I expect people to disagree about everything, because they're supposed to be paranoid as hell.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:55 am

If you want to give me more advice, I'm all ears. I listen better when people are kind.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:59 am

Also, if you're Scum, don't leave me alive because you think I'm a horrible player. I've said this in quite a few past games, too. I also suffer from an extreme lack of focus thanks to ADD. My play suffers early game because there's so many different players and connections to focus on. It gets stronger and stronger as they become fewer.

Scum left me alive this game, and it was late-game, and I was better able to focus and play by going over things more easily. My play gets much strong later in the game than average players, but it's weaker than others on average in the early game.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:18 am

I'm going to work on how I play these games.

It's tough when paranoia grabs hold of you.

A good start is trying to be nicer and asking players for their views and theories respectfully.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:58 am

In post 2819, Alina wrote:I didn't realize I was being mean in game. :/ Also, I mean, you told me to shut up on page 5 or 6 or something. That wasn't very nice either.

I didn't post on pages 5, 6, or 7.

234 wasn't serious. Please gauge the tone of that thread. It wasn't of a serious nature.

Wake1 · Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:03 am

*Tone of that post.

Wake1 · Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:43 am

In post 2843, BP wrote:Good game tho, peeps. Also, Toomai has been a helluva host. props to him.

Hope no one took anything I said to the wrong side.

Except you, Wake. Fuck you.

Grow up.

Sharpest-knife-on-tree	L-11	0	—
Cabd	L-11	0	—
TheAdrienC	L-11	0	—
reinoe	L-11	0	—
Wake88	L-10	1	Clusk92
Burning_TowN	L-11	0	—
shaddowez	L-11	0	—
Damon_Gant	L-11	0	—
Mirhawk	L-11	0	—
Not_Mafia	L-11	0	—
Aegor	L-11	0	—
Scarab	L-11	0	—
farside22	L-11	0	—
Boonskiies	L-10	1	Burning_TowN
BroodKingEXE	L-11	0	—
Juls	L-11	0	—
Aeronaut	L-11	0	—
HunterSeeker	L-5	6	Damon_Gant , TheAdrienC, reinoe , BP , Alina , Wake88
Clusk92	L-0	11	farside22 , shaddowez, Cabd , Mirhawk , HunterSeeker , Aeronaut , Scarab , Boonskiies, Sharpest-knife-on-tree , Aegor , Not_Mafia
BP	L-11	0	—
Alina	L-11	0	—

Sharpest-knife-on-tree	L-0	8	TheAdrienC, Alina , Aeronaut , Aegor , shaddowez, Burning_TowN, Not_Mafia , Juls
TheAdrienC	L-7	1	TheWayItEnds
Wake88	L-8	0	—
Burning_TowN	L-8	0	—
shaddowez	L-8	0	—
Mirhawk	L-8	0	—
Not_Mafia	L-8	0	—
Aegor	L-7	1	BP
TheWayItEnds	L-8	0	—
Boonskiies	L-7	1	BroodKingEXE
BroodKingEXE	L-8	0	—
Juls	L-8	0	—
Aeronaut	L-6	2	Mirhawk , Sharpest-knife-on-tree
BP	L-8	0	—
Alina	L-7	1	Boonskiies

TheAdrienC	L-4	0	—
Wake88	L-2	2	shaddowez, Juls
Burning_TowN	L-4	0	—
shaddowez	L-4	0	—
Boonskiies	L-4	0	—
BroodKingEXE	L-4	0	—
Juls	L-0	4	TheAdrienC, Burning_TowN, Wake88 , Boonskiies