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I'm 18.
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I now support Csaro's lynch also.
Scripten's drunk post is also a policy lynch.
People should vote one or the other, my RVS stage is over.-
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In post 40, Egg wrote:Thor, what are your thoughts on my Pere vote?
Indifferent.
In post 43, Cho wrote:Cho claimed Mafia 2-Shot Even-Night Bulletproof Vigilante in the neighborhood last night.
VOTE: Cho
I believe the claim.
Congratulations, you are a pro-scum and weak player who appreciates even worse gambits than Nero Cain.
This is almost as derp as self-voting. Why would we even want to discuss that idiocy?
In post 60, T S O wrote:This is the first game I have ever seen from Csareo where his opening post was not astoundingly scummy. He must be Town!
What was his alignment in those other games?
Unvote.
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In post 61, goodmorning wrote:Yes, I'm in a Neighbourhood with 3 others and Cho. No, I don't think we can say there's absolutely Scum in the Neighbourhood, though it is likely.
Maybe.
It's multi-neighborhood though.
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In post 67, T S O wrote:BE's Mind Mafia, page 1, enter Csareo.
He was town in that one. I don't know his alignment in the other.
I find that no particularly different in scumminess and usefulness than his first post here.-
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In post 68, T S O wrote:Although, I mean, you could theoretically see the post yourself with a little bit of detective work.
This is true.
Or...I could make the person commenting about it do some work and provide the information for all. I know which I find both more pro-town and less effort.
PEdit - @TSO - yes, both to the neighborhood comment and the Csareo comment.-
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In post 75, TierShift wrote:In post 64, Thor665 wrote:
In post 43, Cho wrote:Cho claimed Mafia 2-Shot Even-Night Bulletproof Vigilante in the neighborhood last night.
VOTE: Cho
I believe the claim.
Congratulations, you are a pro-scum and weak player who appreciates even worse gambits than Nero Cain.
VOTE: TierShift
Deal with it.
Wow, such brilliant play, be still my heart - your scumhunting is of high standards and proves my point wrong.-
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In post 135, TobyLoby wrote:I don't think Boons anything is obvious.
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I support killing Csareo via Vig.
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In post 158, Csareo wrote:In post 156, Thor665 wrote:I support killing Csareo via Vig.
I give even odds that he's town but I still am saying that.
Then why would you want to use a vigilante shot? How do you know there's a vigilante?
You do know using a vig shot fastens lylo by one day, so it is almost always scum motivated to use.
Maybe I'm a Vig and calling my shot.
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In post 173, Csareo wrote:I think you would be suprised.
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In post 215, Csareo wrote:If you first tell me how I'm appeasing TSO. I am pretty confident the dudes scum.
It's just if I push it any longer I'm going to be hanged.
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In post 223, Aneninen wrote:@Those who're scumreading them: what's the case against TSO?
I agree with Csareo that it is odd that TSO left his vote on him while defending him. It shows a disconnect between action and vote that I find worthy of a vote.
@Csareo - welcome to where I was pages ago. I agree with you, you should be vigged.-
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In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6256542#p6256542]post 248[/url], Nero Cain wrote:I don't know if 561, 563 and 565 make me want to climb in the fetal position and cry or pl the fuck out of wegurts.
So in the future wegurts will join the game?
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Well...that's actually scum 101, Nero-
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In post 187, Nero Cain wrote:So when I first read the game I thought Csaro was a lil' to "try hard" but his wagon went rather fast and that worries me but I'd prob be ok with his vig.
This is what you said about him.
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Because, really the only thing I see is that it's mildly unlikely for you to be scumbuddies. But that's all I get out of it.-
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Well...first off multiball is a pretty safe assumption, and second off being wishy-washy is actually pretty solid scum play.-
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In post 265, Nero Cain wrote:In post 263, Thor665 wrote:second off being wishy-washy is actually pretty solid scum play.
maybe so but I can be plenty wishy washy as town.
I'll agree with that, though it doesn't affect my stance.
In post 266, Egg wrote:In post 263, Thor665 wrote:Well...first off multiball is a pretty safe assumption
Why? Also, if you're right, isn't Nero more likely town for seeming to genuinely assume there is no evidence for it?
Why? Because there are 21 players in this game.
And I could easily argue that he's more likely scum for trying to act like there's no reason to think that because scum are the only ones with legit evidence about the question and he's trying to cover for that knowledge but overplayed his hand.-
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In post 269, T S O wrote:If anyone who's not Csareo has questions for me I'll answer them too.
My question is why are you bothering to address this when no one is sheeping his logic on your meta, which is your expressed issue with his stuff.
I will agree with you - I don't think he knows your meta from Adam.
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In post 275, T S O wrote:In post 272, Thor665 wrote:In post 269, T S O wrote:If anyone who's not Csareo has questions for me I'll answer them too.
My question is why are you bothering to address this when no one is sheeping his logic on your meta, which is your expressed issue with his stuff.
I will agree with you - I don't think he knows your meta from Adam.
Spare us the wall and play the rest of the game?
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why are you voting me?
For lulz
Also for my stated reasoning;
In post 235, Thor665 wrote:I agree with Csareo that it is odd that TSO left his vote on him while defending him. It shows a disconnect between action and vote that I find worthy of a vote.-
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In post 309, T S O wrote:Or it just shows that I tend to votepark and be forgetful as town. How do you know it's the former?
Because the former makes more sense to me than someone forgetting where their vote is within such a short time of making it.
Your answer here makes me want to vote you more - not less.-
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In post 330, T S O wrote:Well, it's great that you want to vote me even more now. Maybe you're actually going to- wait, you're already voting me.
The whole point of my answer, though, is that I can actually back up my meta of voteparking - not with examples, but with actual quotes of me saying I votepark. It's a recurrent habit, but it -is- my playstyle.
Lay them on me then.-
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In post 334, T S O wrote:"Regarding the vote, I don't really know. I tend not to vote much and I tend to votepark."
That's from Finagling Hills. p sure I can provide more later but I have to go to bed.
That's not how you link to quotes on a forum.-
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In post 352, T S O wrote:In post 343, Thor665 wrote:In post 334, T S O wrote:"Regarding the vote, I don't really know. I tend not to vote much and I tend to votepark."
That's from Finagling Hills. p sure I can provide more later but I have to go to bed.
That's not how you link to quotes on a forum.
I guess I never heard how to link quotes from a locked forum.
Like this;
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5243294
Will there be other examples or is the one example it?
I don't think you get to naked vote at this stage of the game - reads and thoughts please.-
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In post 373, Izariael wrote:In post 371, Thor665 wrote:And I townread Scripten.
Could you elaborate a bit? What are you seeing that I'm not?
Well, your presented case on him is pretty paper thin as stands, so it's not like you're even seeing anything.
My read on him is more one of gut and 'I agree with that' but I like how he singled out Tier as looking town and didn't mention GM - which is where I'm at and feels a logical town place to be rather than a scum looking to toss out some easy town reads.
As far as I can tell your case on him is made up of buzz words and dings him for being non-committal more than anything.
On Page 16 of a large.
After you just got done being non-committal in some of the reads you were offering.
Meh.
We had players who were 'non-posting' at that stage.
We had players who had been strongly committal and then reversed.
We haven't had a decent wagon yet (showing how non-committal most of the players are, quite frankly).
We have no town leadership.
I say that with an awareness that I am known for early crusades, and I haven't felt my teeth bite in yet.
So, basically your case is, to my mind, 'he is a player in this game'
In post 374, PeregrineV wrote:In post 370, Thor665 wrote:I don't think you get to naked vote at this stage of the game - reads and thoughts please.
It's not naked, it's more an acceptance that Izraeil probably knows better than I at this point, and last time I thought they were scum, ignored them, and we lost.
Of course, an actual read will give me a better idea. Is there a reason you think he is particularly town?
Unvote: TSO(who still owes me more links)
Vote: Pere-
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In post 380, T S O wrote:hey big t
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5179085
my writing's in bold.
I still have yet to see you vote parking someone while calling them town and/or defending them.
Do you do that too?
In post 385, PeregrineV wrote:In post 36, Thor665 wrote:I now support Csaro's lynch also.
Scripten's drunk post is also a policy lynch.
People should vote one or the other, my RVS stage is over.
I found Csaro's post refreshingly direct. What about them makes you want to lynch him?
Since when have drunk posts been a policy lynch?
1. I found it annoying that he was taking derp fake claims serious and extending the derp fake claim discussion.
2. Since always, for me.
Your post here is shockingly empty.-
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In post 389, T S O wrote:In post 388, Thor665 wrote:
I still have yet to see you vote parking someone while calling them town and/or defending them.
Do you do that too?
To the best of my knowledge, not usually, but I can guarantee if I went through all my games I'd probably find a pile of examples of me doing it.
I'm not fucking looking anything else up for you, though, since you were so kind as to make me waste my time before explaining that the examples had to be specific.
I kind of expected them to be specific, honestly. My issue with you was not 'he left his vote somewhere for a long time'
My issue was 'he left his vote on someone that he was calling town'
If you did that as a common thing (as you said) I expected the examples to reflect that you often had your vote on people you were defending.
What you have shown is that you don't move your vote a lot, and that in one game you were claling someone scum while voting someone else you also were calling scum.
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In post 392, Scripten wrote:In post 368, Izariael wrote:
Top scumread would be Scripten. I'm irked by everything in his ISO. Non-committal, flimsy reads and alackadaisical vote on top wagon are raising my hackles.
VOTE: Scripten
This looks like a vote for town cred rather than a vote based on actual scumhunting.
It's fairly early into D1, and you want solid reads on people? In a large?
Also, Cho was tied with TSO at.threevotes. I think I can deal with the guilt of putting someone at L-8 or so
I actually missed the bold and like the bold response to it.
Yeah - that's a terrible value call from Izarieal.-
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I'd hammer him if it was near deadline and he was at L-1.-
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In post 403, T S O wrote:In post 401, Thor665 wrote:I'd hammer him if it was near deadline and he was at L-1.
Is there anyone you wouldn't do this to?
Yes. Though not many currently.
Considering that I am on record that a no lynch is preferable to voting a town read I really wish the rest of you would get it in gear.
In post 411, Cho wrote:I'm not a big fan of the Cho wagon.
I have no idea why, certainly you can't think Cho has been much of a townish looking player. He keeps posting empty commentary and seems aware that he is "disconnected" so it seems logical that people wouldn't like that and that the wagon has bite.-
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In post 427, Muffin wrote:The pigeon thing is getting really old, really fast.
You should have tried living through it's creation - I think I was over it by the third reference. When it showed up this game...-
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Could you vote Pere instead? You seemed to paint him with the same brush, and at least I know he's better than that. From what some people have said 'useless as Matthew McConaughey's shirts' is somewhat par for the course for Cho.
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In post 437, Cho wrote:I think I'm fairly town for outing the neighborhood. Scum wouldn't do that.
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In post 442, Goofyd00d wrote:In post 435, Thor665 wrote:Could you vote Pere instead? You seemed to paint him with the same brush, and at least I know he's better than that. From what some people have said 'useless as Matthew McConaughey's shirts' is somewhat par for the course for Cho.
Request him to a Vig pool and vote Pere?
I don't see the point of pressuring Pere until he catches all the way up, like I said, pressuring Cho will pay off more right now.
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I want to lynch Pere - get with the program.-
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In post 439, Izariael wrote:I don't understand what is so logical about throwing out:In post 301, Scripten wrote:Nobody is really pinging hard either way.In post 362, Scripten wrote:TSOseemsmildly town. Toby and Tiershiftfeeltown. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)
Nero Cainlooksa little suspicious. Chofeelslike scum to me.
There is no analysis. It's just using "buzz words" as you said and trying to be a convincingly active player.
Nah, using emotions to get reads isn't a buzzword. Saying 'I feel' is no better or worse than saying 'I think' and it makes you *feel* more scummy to me for even trying to paint it that way.
In post 439, Izariael wrote:Which reads were non-committal? My T S O read was a wholly-committed null at that point.
Is this sarcastic irony?
I hope it's sarcastic irony.
In post 439, Izariael wrote:Sure, but I haven't posted my reads on every one of the other 20 players yet. Doesn't mean I don't have reads on such players though. I still found Scripten's "here are some minor reads - look I'm participating" to be the scummiest read I have.
Your reads are not very impressive to me then.
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In post 448, Cho wrote:In regards to your previous comment, Thor665, the fact that I'm self-aware shouldn't be equated with me being scum.
While we're both here, is there anything specific that you want me to look at? My computer is at 10% though so I'm not going to promise that results will come in the next 30 minutes.
I want you to look at and address what you wish to - if I had specific things for you to look at I'd ask you.
If you need guidance to help you scumhunt at this stage I feel that supports my earlier shirt based commentary and I still would like Goofy to sheep me now that he's admitting he's basically got the silliest vote in existence in play.-
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@Egg - Interesting, I got far worse on it. What eased him up for you?
@Goofy - sheep me.-
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In post 458, Izariael wrote:You can hope all you like, but I was srs. Nothing wrong with committing to a null.
Except trying to take credit for it while bashing someone offering mild alignment leans as weak - then there IS a problem with committing to it.
I COMMIT TO THIS NULL READ...by the way, this other guy isn't getting behind his town adn scum reads other than to say he "feels" this way about them. That's the scummiest thing in this thread!
I would be okay lynching Izariael now.-
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In post 460, Izariael wrote:I'm not asking Scripten to perform micro-surgery on an ant. I'm asking him to give a simple explanation of why he has the reads he does.
No - you're calling him scummy for presenting his reads like that. That's my hangup with it.-
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In post 463, T S O wrote:Does anyone want to explain why Pere's actually scum, without attached mindless rhetoric? I don't get it/I'm too lazy to read it.
For lack of participation, awkward sheeping, and general lack of buying into the game.
Why do you think he's not scum?
In post 471, Aneninen wrote:@Thor, 447"I want to lynch Pere - get with the program."– So do I. Join and you can have a sip of my leek-soup.
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You chose to explain it all the way out, all I was saying was 'vote Pere'.
I'll agree your vote (which you still aren't moving) is invalidated though.
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In post 482, T S O wrote:Well, I don't definitively think he's not scum, I guess. I just don't see why you're pushing this wagon so hard, given that, say, Cho has done the above, but her sheep is significantly worse than Pere's. Why aren't you pushing Cho, if those are your reasons?
I was already asked that question and also already answered it.
In post 435, Thor665 wrote:Could you vote Pere instead? You seemed to paint him with the same brush, and at least I know he's better than that. From what some people have said 'useless as Matthew McConaughey's shirts' is somewhat par for the course for Cho.
Request him to a Vig pool and vote Pere?
Want to discuss it any? I can do that.
In post 501, PeregrineV wrote:19. Thor665- early townread, but then downhill (slowly) from there, as he votes opposite my opinion. Kind of used to that, so not a full on scumread for that at this point.
Until then, I'll go back and forth with and about him trying to figure out if he is town that I just don't get or scum trying to trick me. Always fun.
Please provide me a link to all the 21+ player games you have been in recently that were not multiball.
I presume it's a majority?
If not - then please explain this tell, I would LOVE to see you do that.
In post 555, goodmorning wrote:On the contrary. The existence of a Neighbourhood of such size implies that there is probably a Scum in it (though not definitively, as I've said).
In post 541, Muffin wrote:I would like to know, for my own scumhunting purposes, which players are in a neighbourhood with which others.
Because sometimes neighbourhoods result in weird coordination that can look like a scumteam but is not.
So... yeah.
I for one think there's some mileage in keeping some folks secret.
I did a bit of snippage here to put the thoughts together.
Yo, Goodmorning, why can you both believe that the neighborhood(s?) are likely to have scum in them but *also* be in support of keeping them secret?
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In post 260, Nero Cain wrote:baring multiball, I'd know his alignment and thus would have no need to be wishy washy.
@Pere - also, Nero was actually the first one to say the word.
So...yeah, are you claiming scum?
I feel like you're claiming scum.
I'm going to vote you on the basis you're claiming scum.-
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@Everyone - Pere claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now.-
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How can it be incredibly distracting?-
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In post 570, PeregrineV wrote:In post 557, Thor665 wrote:Please provide me a link to all the 21+ player games you have been in recently that were not multiball.
I presume it's a majority?
Let's find out together. Me being in them doesn't seem to have much bearing, so let's just look.
NY169 : 20 players, 4 mafia (in this)
NY173: 18 players, 4 mafia + SK
NY172: 20 players, 4 mafia (in this)
NY171: 21 players, 5 mafia (in this)
NY170: 19 players, 3 mafia
NY167: 17 players, 4 mafia (in this)
NY166: 18 players, 4 mafia + SK (in this)
NY165: 24 players, 5 mafia + SK (ran this)
NY164: 24 players, 3 mafia + 4 mafia (in this)
NY161: 21 players, 5 mafia (in this)
NY143: 21 players, 3 mafia + 3 mafia (in this) (2011)
NY137: 21 players, 4 mafia + SK
NY134: 22 players, 5 mafia
It seems 3 years and 35 Large Normal games ago, there was a 21 player game with 2 scumteams.
So, yes, a large majority were not.
Adjusted that for how it was used in the discussion.
Adding in the other SK ones changes it to a 6/13 ratio.
Meaning, roughly, 50%
So...yeah, I think that is a safe assumption to have in your head Day 1.
Also, you called me scum for bringing up multiball...in relation to a discussion where someone brought up multiball...so, yes, I do think that's weird on your part.
And, really, "changing your reason upon consideration of new information is scummy"
Pull the other one, it has bells on.
I don't have a lot of sheep yet.
Why are people scared of this - he is declaring scum.
If you don't think he is then you should probably explain why you don't find the commentary scummy. Because I find it five alarm chilli level.-
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Oh, or 4/7 if we only count games with 21+-
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Still basically 50%, but...yeah.-
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In post 575, AxleGreaser wrote:If that game was balanced with this player base (scum won) could you link me to 21P multiball game you thought was balanced?
Ive never played in a multi. So prefrably also a multi that wont hurt if I read it.
Your question is pointless because even Pere, in arguing against the idea, managed to provide multiple examples.-
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That also doesn't matter. I don't even wish to get into a 'is or isn't this multiball' discussion and never did - it's not germane to any issue on the table.
If you have an opinion about Pere calling me scummy for mentioning multiball or how I'm calling him scum for doing so - that would be excellent discussion to have.-
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In post 126, Goofyd00d wrote:Considering 4 is the meta for almost garunteed, I would say 5 people in a hood contains a scum, and maybe even multi factions.
Here's another mention of multiball that didn't bother Pere.-
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In post 591, Cho wrote:Do you understand this, or rather, follow my train of thought?
I follow your train of thought but find it very surface oriented.
The point isn't that he called me scum for multiball commentary - the point is how and why he did it considering the conversation it was brought up in.
Does that make sense?
In post 597, PeregrineV wrote:Except Multiball means 2 scumteams, as per the definition: "Serial Killers and other one-person groups do not count; the term is specific to scum groups of multiple players."
So, your attempt to use SKs to discredit me is pretty blatant.
Your attempt to use 24 player games as examples is also blatant. I included them for reference, but 24 is not 21, and the setup and balance for each is different.
So, try 25%. And recently, none of them.
I will agree the wiki defines multiball as notincluding SKs.
I will also say I have been in a game witha 2-player SK.
That said - if you look at my comment to Nero it clearly included the idea of 'any scum role that is not aligned with some other scum role'
Also, if I had clarified SK - I understand that 'SK hunting' is also considered a scumtell (or SK tell) so I don't actually see the point of even trying to draw the difference here.
Do you disagree that my comment means what I said it means here? And if you do, please explain why.
In post 598, PeregrineV wrote:Except you didn't say 21+. If you had, we wouldn't be discussing this.
Well...actually, yes, I said exactly that.
In post 557, Thor665 wrote:Please provide me a link to all the 21+ player games you have been in recently that were not multiball.
So I should add 'lying to butter up a case' to your scumtells then
You're trying to defend yourself in a pedantic manner.
It looks scummy to me.
What's up with this? Why don't you walk me through how and why you actually think your catch on me is scummy and also why it doesn't apply to Nero or Goofy - that would be interesting to hear moreso than the weak word dance you're doing now.-
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In post 611, PeregrineV wrote:Do you disagree that my comment means what I said it means here? And if you do, please explain why.
Try this format
-Thor's comment (linked)
-What Thor meant
Then I'll be able to answer it, since right now I'm not sure what you are asking.
I asked this: That said - if you look at my comment to Nero it clearly included the idea of 'any scum role that is not aligned with some other scum role'
About my post mentioning multiball.
That you called scummy.
This is not complicated - answer the question. You're the one who analyzed my post and found it alignment indicative - why not expand on your work?
In post 611, PeregrineV wrote:My bad, I did misread that.
I assumed that you wanted to point out 21 player games that were multiball, because we are in a 21 player game that you stated was obviously multiball.
You may now argue for the nature of 21+ games, but I'll state in advance that changing the facts changes the arguement, esp. about something like mafia game size.
I did not "change the facts" you did, or you misunderstood them. I am reminding you of what I clearly said.
Would you like to change your answer now that you understand the question?
Does it affect your read on me?
I also would LOVE you to point out where I said the game was obviously multiball.
In post 611, PeregrineV wrote:-I think that you saying that this game is obviously multiple mafia teams implies some sort of inside knowledge of the setup that you did not relate to the thread at the start of the game. Most commonly, this is through a scum role designation of specific mafia (Blue, Red, Mafia A, etc.), and less commonly through a town role (Mafia A cop, Red Mafia Cop, etc.). However, I don't think it is in your nature to "slip", nor to be so bold nor so brazen about possibly having a scumrole.
So it is suspect because...?
In post 611, PeregrineV wrote:-I already pointed out the differences between mentioning, speculating, and stating. You've been pushing everything based on my 501 statement, and instead of just letting it go (which I do sometimes), I proceeded to point out why you were wrong. You've since continued to push for my lynch, not for actually being wrong in my opinion, conclusion, or summary, but because I have that opinion, posted that conclusion, and backed up that summary. Making this another case of (strength of reaction) vs (strength of initial post) (see Scripten vote).
Actually I'm calling your entire use of logic here suspect and pointing out the double standard you are using n applying it and calling that scummy.
You have responded with further proof that you're either not really reading the game or are trying to bluster through my issues.
I don't feel like we're actually talking yet.
You're not talking openly, you're offering up misrepresented or half finished thoughts and then waving your hands wildly in the hopes this will go away.
I mean, look at the quote above. I asked you to explain how what I did was scummy - you didn't actually. You even admit that I wouldn't tend to do that as a slip which leaves...what exactly? If it wasn't a slip I was intentionally doing it? Okay...why? And why would it be scummy as opposed to, say, a town breadcrumb or something? Like, the logic just does not flow nor is it an answer as to why you concluded it was scummy.
I'm trying to talk with you.
Why are you dancing with me instead?-
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In post 615, Scripten wrote: Do you think that scum have a better idea about the setup than town do?
I believe this.-
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Scum know their team size, team name, and PR composition which gives them more info to go on than town. Hence - they have a better idea of the setup.-
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