Mafia 13 - Game over!

[Kerplunk]

Reading the Old Thread, I find Pooky and Adm. Thrawn highly suspicious for voting NEHI after his/her claiming cop.
But I don't think voting mathcam or Leonidas for mistakes made by Pooky or Adm. Thrawn is the right thing to do, or is it?

[Kerplunk]

That last sentence is a bit weird formulated. I mean that we can't hold mathcam or Leonidas responsible for actions by their predessecors, or can we? Any thoughts about this 'problem'?

[Kerplunk]

Does anyone actually think Pooky thought to himself:

Well, I'm mafia, and I have to kill cops, so I'm going vote for the cop after he's revealed himself. I hope no-one finds this suspicious.

Nope. He was not paying attention to the game and that's it. This is not an argument for my innocence, just that this line of reasoning is harmful to the town. It would be a mistake to lynch me because of this.

Cam

Well, Pooky

was

a newbie. And sometimes newbies do strange stuff when they're mafia. I did/do strange stuff in my first game and wasn't even mafia. That doesn't change the fact that Pooky's vote and Adm. Thrawn's vote were weird. But I agree that if Pooky is/was SK he played it very stupidly, let alone if he is/was mafia. Thus, I'm willing to give mathcam (and Leonidas) the benefit of the doubt.

However, there was another suspect: mlaker. And he's

not

been replaced. But his 'jumping on a bandwagon by random voting' could be also a newb's mistake. Still,

FoS: mlaker

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[Kerplunk]

The List*:

Coolbot
Darkblade
JTman5
Leonidas
Polotet

Adm. Thrawn was suspicious, Leonidas doesn't post.

vote: Leonidas

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*)Disclaimer: The List may or may not be inaccurate

[Kerplunk]

Come on people. Leonidas has five votes. The ones who doesn't vote for Leonidas (especially the ones who haven't voted at all) what do you think of this? Are you happy with the situation. I find Leonidas suspicious by the minute. Too bad, he hasn't much internet-connection. He could at least say

something

.

[Kerplunk]

All I'm saying is that I don't understand why people would put not speaking above other suspicious moves.

Leonidas is suspicious. I think he is.

And

he's doesn't post much. mlaker is also suspicious, yes. But he at least posts (a little). Anyway I'm keeping my vote on Leonidas. Yes, he is on vacation in Korea and he has limited acces, but can't he divide his attention over two games in stead of all his attention on one?

[Kerplunk]

Finding me suspicious at this stage is kind of strange, and Kerplunk seems extremely eager to lynch me no matter what. In addition, he tries to manipuate the town into voting for me...

Extremely eager? Ok, I voted for you, as a couple of people did before me. I made two posts after voting for you. First one, I urged the town to speak up. Second, that was an 'attack' on you and of course I'm trying other people to vote for you as I think Adm. Thrawn was suspicious. And maybe I can't blame you for the bad play of Adm. Thrawn, but maybe his bad play was due to a anti-town role.

[Kerplunk]

unvote: Leonidas

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I find the bandwagon on shadyforce's little bit strange. She was after all the one who posted the most and got the town talking (a bit). But then, as some pointed out, it could be some tactic to look kinda scummy and then to say "Would scum do that?". Either way,

FoS: shadyforce

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[Kerplunk]

Mlaker's claim I kinda buy. And his role could be made an cop-type-role-thingy.
What if the doc targets mlaker? Then mlaker lives and can tell us in what place he hid. Or does can't the doc protect mlaker if he is not in his own house?

FoS: Electra

, for hopping on bandwagons without giving some real reasons.

And BTW, where is JTman? I think it's replacement-time.

[Kerplunk]

No way the docs are targetting mlaker tonight.

First - his claim is extremely convenient.
Second - if he's telling the truth, then he does not need a doc's protection.
I think he'll still get killed if he chooses poorly, and - supposing the doc's protection works - he won't know a mafia when he sleeps with one.

You're right, didn't thought about that. Well, mustn't mlaker tell us now before the deadline with who he is going to party tonight? In case he gets killed and the person where he hided doesn't, then that person is scum. But if mlaker gets killed and we don't know where he hid, then mlaker's role using as a cop is pointless.

[Kerplunk]

FOS: Darkblade, Mikehart, Kerplunk and Polotet

They haven't posted yet this day.

Sorry for that. I was just a bit busy, and didn't have time to read through the day yet.

And now that I have, I'm still a bit confused about the Leo-mole-discussion. For now, I think I find mole's proposition the best. But I just have to 'ponder' about it for a while (about the cops, docs and such).

[Kerplunk]

I agree with the plan that the hiders pick their target n places below theirs on the nth night from now on. I think there isn't a way we can keep the hider's info away from the mafia. We all have to communicate openly and so the mafia will read all the things we say and type. Maybe I'm too quick with my conclusion and there's way, but I don't see it. If we can decypher the code of with whom they hid, also the mafia can.

And as for Fletcher and mlaker. If we want to use them as cop, there's no other option then that they say inthread with whom they're gonna hide. And the docs can decide for themselves if their gonna protect the targets or not.

[Kerplunk]

Errr...

I posted twice. That's not really much, I admit. But if you've had actually READ my first post, it would say I was a bit busy. I saw a couple of times the thread, but I didn't really have time to read it real good and hence my posts would be meaningless. Sorry for that.

I understand that you don't like lurkers. But then vote for a an actual lurker, like Darkblade, Polotet, mikehart, they haven't posted at all today. Even after mathcam pointed out that I already did post, still people kept voting for me: Quailman, Werebear and shadyforce; mlaker didn't see mathcam's post. I'm really tempted to vote for one of them, because they obviously haven't read the thread at all.

[Kerplunk]

What I also find interesting is that Quailman, shadyforce and mlaker also joined the (maybe even more stupid) bandwagon on Jalyn. Maybe it's nothing, but I think it's sure something to look into.

[Kerplunk]

Although Kerplunk's reply to us doing a perfectly understandable thing was a little suspicious to me

FOS Kerplunk

You voted me because I was a lurker. In fact I wasn't a lurker because I already posted (twice!). I don't know what's so 'understandable' about blindly following a vote and beginning a bandwagon based on BS-reasons.

[Kerplunk]

Ok, so maybe I was a bit over-defensive. But I really was astonished when people voted for me lurking. There were 4 names to choose from and you all picked the player who already posted. That I found not just.

[Kerplunk]

Doesn't anyone else find the strange way Jalyn got lynched a bit, let me say suspicious? mathcam pointed to Jalyn and hop, Quailman, shadyforce, mlaker joined him (and DP, but he's dead). Am I looking for something that's not there? Any thoughts on this?

[Kerplunk]

O.K. I see my bandwagon is going nowhere but I'm going to hide not wiht Leonidas but I'm hiding with Kerplunk.

Unvote Kerplunk Vote Darkblade

I'll rent a movie and buy some chips. And shady or some other doc is invited to! Maybe it's an idea that Fletcher hides with Leonidas?

vote: Darkblade

[Kerplunk]

unvote: Leo

, I guess. I'd much rather have hider #1 hide with Leo and hider #2 hide with Other Person, though.

I don't mind if mlaker hides with me, if that will prove my innocence.
But maybe it's better to let the town decide/discuss with whom the hiders must hide.

[Kerplunk]

I think I have an idea what has happened last night.
I'm a Drunken Cop. Each night I can choose a player to investigate, but I'm a drunken cop, so I'm probably insane. Random more likely. Last night I got a PM that said that I found Quailman innocent (I thought he was suspicious and I targeted him) and that when I came home from the bar I found someone in my home. All goes black and the next moment I wake up. I guess that in my drunkeness I shot mlaker.
Sorry about that, mlaker, I really didn't mean to.

[Kerplunk]

mlaker was the first to claim "cowardly townie" right? let's solve this puzzle.

So because mlaker was a cowardly townie, I can't be a drunken cop. And that mlaker is hiding with me is only based on my so-called lurking. Are you really want to lynch an innocent just because a hider died because he stayed with me? Wouldn't the roles of the hiders a bit too strong if they only get killed when they hide with mafia? It wouldn't surprise me, if Corsato put in some other roles in the game where a hider also would die. I agree that my role is somewhat useless, but maybe I'm insane. Because I got Dragon Phoenix on night innocent and on night 1 'I' got Leonidas guilty. That's also why I went after him day 1.

[Kerplunk]

I doubt Kerplunk's story if only for the fact that most cops are simply told they are cops - not whether they are incompetent or have "an elbow problem."

I was only told that I'm a drunken cop, that's not so unlikely is it? mlaker was also told he was a 'cowardly' townie.

vote: Quailman

, for using crap logic.

[Kerplunk]

On the issure of Kerpunk, I'm leaning towards voting him, but would like him to explain the part about going to the bar. Did you go every night, and did it help you with something?

All my PM says is that I went to a bar (maybe 'Rumours'). I don't know what bar. Probably just to say that I'm drunk.

I can understand that you all think that lynching an innocent today is no big deal, especially a random/insane cop. Still, I urge the town to be careful and talk a while longer.

[Kerplunk]

Congrats to the town, well done. And also well done Mathcam. There was a little spark of hope.

Thanks, Corsato for a good game!