New York 180 (Endgame)

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:03 pm

Kitz, hai lets exchange friendship bracelets.

I PROMISE IT WON"T BE PINK BUT MORE LIKE MAUVE TO BE CLASSIER.

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:06 pm

NS, I meant that if the buddying felt wrong or like the person was trying to cop a feel I'd be Being Mean To Them. So if someone is buddying and I'm not saying anything its because I get why and its not scummy. Does that make sense?

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:50 pm

So you can die if you soda + mentos?

The mass hypnosis is wearing off now or is this just the calm before the storm?

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:53 pm

Oh Kitz, give me something to do...

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:01 pm

Once again my particles say, "Kill Ozgin quick"

Kitz, on it and ISOing I will let you know what I see. The fun parts and the serious parts.

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:05 pm

MathBlade, this is why I don't really like ABR's play. He pushes people as scum and then lead them to claim or softclaim and then pretend like it doesn't have to do with his pushing. How is it helpful to town? It's destructive.

Kitz, started the ISOing but have other Stuff to do, will continue tomorrow.

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:10 pm

SilverWolf, I have seen very passionate and convincing scum weasel their way out of a sure lynch and get townies killed. Is there anything else that belies you to believe that?

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:27 pm

In post 3021, Ellie wrote:
In post 3018, elusive wrote:SilverWolf, I have seen very passionate and convincing scum weasel their way out of a sure lynch and get townies killed. Is there anything else that belies you to believe that?

Titus, right?

Yes, like a Siren

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:33 pm

MathBlade, but I feel the difference between lets say Titus and ABR is that I've seen Titus get town results (lynching scums and such) using the powers of deductiveness and instinct so therefore she's proved that she is good at it. Whereas ABR is still in the proving grounds and it looks like it throws grenades into the stands.

In general, here some people just go "This post = town" or "Confirmed scum" and no explanations or reasoning as if words were pricey luxuries they cannot afford or that they don't actually believe in making cases beyond one liners.

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:35 pm

It's okay though because I believe we can alter the status quo.

elusive · Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:43 pm

vikingfan, can you restate your role and any messages you got?

Also, are you a good cop or a bad cop? These are not alignment indicative? If you could choose which would you choose and why?

Do you think there could be two town cops in the game? Two town aligned cops?

Who do you think will get NKed tonight if not you? Why?

ABR, in my experience people trust Titus so that even when she's scum she can lead town by the nose. You haven't really gotten that Siren song going on, its more idk Brash. Wake is the closest to what I mean about Titus but he's been busy I guess. I'm not trying to say you aren't as wonderful as your Cult states or whatever but I don't know it in action and so the way you play makes it hard to trust what you say. Even right now I feel sorry for VF and its because of you.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:27 am

Ellie

Spoiler:

Oh and VikingFan, you did good. Don't be sad. Once, I was a Seer and it was my first PR and I got NKed the first night of the game and I had a guilty which I couldn't share. It was sad but at least you tried. I'd love to play with you again

MathBlade, I'm concerned about your alignment now. I don't know the other players who sheeped killing the claimed cop but I do know you.

GM, if it were town which I doubt then it was a worthless playstyle full of nonsense and I agree. If it's scum or sk, well it was also worthless because it played the short game. Maybe it got a vicarious thrill from getting town plus scum to kill the claimed cop. Maybe it was some badge in its list of badges. It is irrelevant.

If we did have a town day or night vig, here you are - any of these are not only fair game but will die if I don't die first (hey town I'm a claimed PR, why not lynch me next):

Dragonspawn, FA_Q2, silverwolf, Naked jogger, ABR, mathblade, ozgin shinobi, wake88

Shinobi is not town cleared. No one is.

Kitz, I like your playstyle a lot.

VOTE: ABR

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:30 am

I hate whoever killed Ellie's playstyle so much. Super hate.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:58 am

No, his story was not BS. Everyone who said it was BS was lying because even in the most basic form of mafia in Town of Salem the person who survives a murder attempt knows it so why the fuck would this game be any different?

Do you have any original ideas?

Where is your vote?

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:00 am

Hey dragonspawn, have you caught up with the thread or are you just running in here now because you're name popped up?

What are your reads on all the players on VikingFan's wagon? Where is your vote?

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:19 am

Oh I agree about Wake.

He is not a kind of player who I would expect to be susceptible to ABR's low level attempts at manipulation. Therefore, his random "Vote VF and tomorrow Ellie" strike me as strange.

However, however, however its not as simple as it seems.

Dragonspawn, where is your vote? Why isn't it on ABR?

MathBlade, the easy fact was that VF's alignment would have resolved itself. It was not the lynch for day two regardless because off an off chance that a claimed cop is the claimed cop.

Also, just an fyi I was hoping to make a clean break from {past lovers} and you and ika kind of make it difficult sometimes.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:23 am

LOL, did dragonspawn just vote ABR and then right after state "he is probably town"

Oh god, kmn or turn me into a bird so I can fly away.

Shinobi, I suggest you try to produce content that is relevant because Kitz is off limits. Here try these words: logic, analysis, case, evidence, and work from there.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:31 am

SilverWolf

I am in general distrust of people who sheep the virus. I could not find logical reasons for anyone being on this wagon. As I stated some are scum and some are town. I think scum would be cautious enough like NakedJogger to not be on that wagon that kills the claimed cop.

However, I suggest that you move the game forward instead of engaging in theatrics at this point. Make a case, provide reads, etc.

Of course GM and I have been wrong in games before, we know this too intimately be true. In this game, however my instincts have been pretty good.

VOTE: unvote before another fucktard hammers before all of town and scum have been made to speak.

MathBlade, I never did understand you. I need a translator of some sort.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:42 am

SW, I don't see you fulfilling your town meta in this game SilverWolf and also your annoyance has no worth to me since there is no reason for it. Nonsensical nonsense.

GM, don't get involved with SW's nonsense. It's become on par for the course.

SW, you seem pretty clear on who town is, why don't you clarify who it is.

Kitz is fucking off limits because Ellie was sure on her and at this point in the game I trust Ellie's reads above anyone else's.

VOTE: MathBlade
Ok, let's do this then.

I actually am in little care of what happens to me in this game, I expect to die sooner then later and look forward to it.

Dragonspawn, vote MathBlade then.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:44 am

Ellie was a player, who regardless of role, was NKed by scum night one very often because her reads were so good and right. So she could have boasted if she weren't dead.

Everyone vote MathBlade please.

There is a reason, try trusting someone else then that Pied Piper please.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:46 am

MathBlade, the spirit of Ellie keeps me from going into Crazy mode. Still useful to town even in death, moreso then the actual deadweight.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:47 am

ABR will be dealt with another way.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:54 am

Dragonspawn, yes it was a scum claim. What will you do now?

One of the real scum is NakedJogger who ABR (and pisskop) has been hard defending since day one. Will you vote NakedJogger?

Also you seem to lack understanding of the roles of this setup and also have not read.

ABR will be dealt with.

Town shouldn't waste role blocks.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:01 am

MathBlade, if you remember Elusive was a Cat but Scum thought she was a Bat or made of Gold. Elusive is not a Kitty Cat, it is a Bird.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:11 am

Cheetory6,

I agree about Wake. It seems scummy but then scum wouldn't state that and hammer without expecting massive heat?

My only concern is that Wake might think he could survive such a move based on reputation sort of like ABR? Although I thought he was a tier above ABR, idk.

Do you think ABR then should be put down today?

What motivations or reasoning do you see in ABR getting VF killed in such a flashy way?

The reason I'm asking is that I played in a game (MathBlade where you were Magical Girl) a scum wanted to get lynched because it had a role in that it was revived three days later. So what benefit does ABR get from doing something that will lead to a lynch if it was scum? Either scum with a special role or some kind of sk\third party\jester?

I want ABR dead in multiple ways but I don't want town to end until everyone has spoken and made a reads list.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:12 am

In post 3183, FakedBlogger wrote:
In post 3179, elusive wrote:MathBlade, if you remember Elusive was a Cat but Scum thought she was a Bat or made of Gold. Elusive is not a Kitty Cat, it is a Bird.

I'm getting itchy balls from your shit

Try cutting them off, you don't have much to work with but you'll have a one inch souvenir.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:18 am

In post 3188, MathBlade wrote:/me pets a kitten

Malakittens is amazing! Such an awesome gf <serious statement>

Who knows I might write another fan fiction for you two

{Also, totally forgot to make it a thing for people to ask Ellie out on a date

}

P.S. I've calmed down a bit, lol. Good work

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:35 am

My Read List

(I will go back and ISO a few people again but here is where I am right now)

Spoiler:

Cheetory6, I'm fine with an ABR death today but not until everyone posts in thread and we get some real content. I do not want to rush it.

Can you remind me where your vote was yesterday? Also, if its Normal then do you agree that everyone who thought or actively argued VF couldn't be the cop because of his doc heal claim is on something that is probably not Truthiness?

SilverWolf, move the game forward or I don't care what you think, feel, etc. ISO Ellie and tell me what you see.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:11 am

Kitz, I will get back to you on your question I did start taking notes the first time you asked me and have to go back where I stopped. As for Ozgin, its the going with the crowd that annoys me.

Can ALL OF TOWN please give a reads list. Take the players name from the OP, put it in spoilers and a short thing of what your current feelings are. Thanks.

MathBlade, ika, Titus, join the picture thing plz. Also we have to bring witch hunt to this place. Someone should PM Prophy and get him over here too.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:41 am

Sorry, phone posting and having alts is not something I seem to be able to manage. However I must have confused things with elsewhere. That means I thought House was town side and may have to rethink ozg.

TSO, do a reads list.

Whoever else is taking and not doing should do the list. This is your polite PSA town.

Don't fucking hammer until everyone has put in reads list and also maybe crumbed some plans so we aren't effed tonight ffs.

Do placeholder votes or something. Don't end day early.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:51 am

Write a mild mannered list thats courteous and has elegant cursive handwriting.

People should disengage from ABR, it is purposefully wasting town time the way it did yesterday in trying to prove through bs. I've seen players do gambit and such but never fake claim the real role of a player. Hell I've done @ gambit but they involved my life and role in town and wouldn't detriment to town other them the loss of a player. Cruel and unusual and not in a good way.

Just move on. What are your reads?

Can someone check the vc and make sure its at L4 at most so we don't have quick day end.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:53 am

please unvote ffs

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:32 pm

Lol TSO is funny.

Oz, what did KCs lynch tell you?

I think that I'm strongly starting to believe in no lynches for if.you aren't sure.of your reads.

If Mathblade is sk and is open to direction we don't have to kill her right off.

We can have her target scummiest people.
it might give town a chance against the scums.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:33 pm

Mb as third party has helped town before.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:35 pm

So maybe we should list the there scummiest and Mb targets one of them. If she does then she lives and.that gives town a chance yeah?

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:48 pm

Mathblade, pretend like I'm real slow. Do you wish to be lynched and is it in town's benefit?

Or do you not wish to be lynched?

Some key communication through facial expressions is missing.

What would you feel about killing scums instead of dying?

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:07 pm

Re: ABR

I hates it and wishes it wouldn't speak to us unless spoken to.

Also, way with the consistency - she's scum she's sk she's a Purple Orchid she's a MasonMillerOryxCombo

Wake, we were considering lynching you and letting the vig take out ABR. More high stakes, Russian Roulette fun that way.

elusive · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:08 pm

naked jogger is voting me? wow, once more he's being the most anti-town scumbag to scum up the pristine town with his scumtastic scummery

mathblade, i wish i could trust you re: abr. on the one hand his play doesn't make sense from a scum pov because he would know that vf can't be lying about his role, right? but i don't knw whats worst him being town and getting the cop killed or him being scum. im hoping scum tho.

who should town lynch if not your or abr?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:37 am

In post 3417, vikingfan wrote:*hello* just my friendly "Bah" post to let you all know it feels GOOD to be vindicated and thanks for the kind words in post-mortem.

*fades back to the afterlife*

YAY! A ghost spoke and I heard it and it wasn't scary.

I'll watch out for the next game you join, Mr. VikingFanGhost

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:25 am

Yeah, let's kill this NJ guy. He was defended by one too many.

VOTE: NakedJogger

Also, Math makes sense to me. This scares me a little bit. Am I getting better or worse?

Then, let's think more then one role can visit a player without causing death and for other purposes.

Hey town, are you going to wake up today? Or is this another lost cause?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:33 am

HEY TOWN, HEY TOWN

ilu, now please vote NakedJogger

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elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:40 am

MB, there's a reason I feel good about TSO. Where it votes now will help me solidify that but I sort of feel good about something they know or did?

There's two others I'm wondering about and need to see where there vote goes.

VOTES ON NAKED JOGGER IF YOU ARE TOWN PLZ

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elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:06 am

In post 3505, estival wrote:EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE TOWN.

Let's say ABR is taking care of by the Vig intermittently. WOULD you vote NakedJogger? Yes or no? Why or why not?

Ktiz, going to do your HW today.

I'm sorry, I can't manage having an alt and being involved in multiple things. Totally ADHD.

I'm going to let the alt become a ghost once the games its in are finished.

Other things I am unable to do:
Keep my role a secret
Get town to kill scums
Not want ice cream in the cold

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:16 am

No, I know what ADHD is and how a lot of people have misconceptions on what it is, people with it can be unfocused but also hyperfocused to an intense degree. I'm not sure what DID is.

The thing is I'm not 100% sure ABR is scum. I think that several people, not all of whom could be scum, seemed to think it (VF's claims( was mechanically impossible. Therefore, there is an offchance that he is just extremely wicked town. Once you calm down and think about it then it makes less sense for scum to play his play. Maybe third party? I would believe that probably over scum. Then his wagon seems to easy just like KC and VF's wagon. All the easy wagons give me pause.

I imagine if you were reading between the lines you could tell who the vig was perhaps or maybe it requires something else.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:17 am

The problem with the Boy Who Cried Wolf is that when's right no one believes him.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:25 am

In post 3505, estival wrote:EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE TOWN.

Let's say ABR is taking care of by the Vig intermittently. WOULD you vote NakedJogger? Yes or no? Why or why not?

Ktiz, going to do your HW today.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:01 am

Kitz,

Aeronaut
Lean Town
I like his opening with the RQS questions.
His main interactions are with: SilverWolf, House\now Ozgin, Wake, TSO, dragonspawn, Cheetory6,
Lightly FOS's Shinobi, Klingoncelt, TSO, Wake, pisskop, FA, Kitz, Grib\now GM, Ellie, Elusive,
Questions Shinobi and his read a lot as well as dragonspawn and Wake and SilverWolf who he disagrees with on the VF\DS debate
Is paranoid over the VF wagon
Said a few things very strongly regarding the KC wagon that I'm sure it now regrets.
Refused to consider NJ an then said "NJ looks shitty too" and then agreed that NJ hammer was bad.

Also totally missed it but hope things get better in RL, Aeronaut.

Kitz, do you want me to look at Day 2 as well or only Day 1?

Pikachu should probably talk more.

NJ, I don't know what your problem is but you're very close to finding out what's really crazy.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:10 am

Are you scum, third party or town ABR? What is your alignment?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:37 am

In post 3523, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3521, elusive wrote:Are you scum, third party or town ABR? What is your alignment?

Can you not take it out on me if I tell you the truth? I mean I get that we're playing roles here, but you've told me you are ignoring me, called me out time and again, and I don't know if it's my persona that's rubbing you the wrong way like Ellie did to me, or if it's personal, or what.

Don't be crybaby.

You got a claimed cop dead so I'm not sure why you fear anything or why you shouldn't expect some backlash if you are town. And when I do dumbass things as town and ruin things I find being called an idiot and being humble in the face of it to be relieving.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:43 am

Also ABR, I don't know you personally and no one should take anything in game personally unless it really crosses their lines and if you're sensitive then you should put a post stating, "I'm okay with this and that but the use of curse words is a no no, fyi."

However, if something does affect you personally or something like that you should nicely state, "Hey that was across the line for me, please don't do that" and then see if the person complies or not (and tell the Mod if not). I'm okay with being on the receiving or giving end of quite a lot as long as the person who started it doesn't start whining after starting things.

I find your playstyle annoying and I hate the killing the new girl or guy. Remember MathBlade when I got you lynched and you were new to the site and then I felt bad about it for ages?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:01 pm

MathBlade, while VF joined a while back he was practically a newbie, it was his first game after like a million years. People were born and grew into tweens in that time.

Wake, why? Why? Why him and not you for hammering? Why?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:11 pm

On what exactly, do you want opinions TSO in that quote?

VOTE: No Lynch

Ok, ABR better luck next time?

Hey Wake, before I vig you tonight mind stop saying ridiculous things?

Like it reminds me of "First VF and Ellie tomorrow" no no no.

Ya'll need to listen to music or multi-task while playing.

Spoiler:

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:14 pm

That was to let TSO know how I feel about its actions right now.

For example, is it trying to say that NakedJogger is scum? If so why won't it vote NJ? Or?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:34 pm

Ok, well it helps if you say, "This is what I'm seeing, anyone else see that?"

So pisskop states this:
"Klingon claimed VT, House softed neighbor with Klingon. Besides her reads, I'm not seeing any other benefit.
NJ was a townread independent of his interactions and reads. His flip will only affect those pushing him."

He then votes KlingonCelt.

"Besides her reads, I'm not seeing any other benefit." Her reads based on a quick ISO skim were a bit all over the place.
"NJ was a townread independent of his interactions and reads. His flip will only affect those pushing him."

Could mean that:
1) NJ is town and voting him will affect only the players pushing him will get heat or not based on that?
2) NJ is scum but pisskop has put him as a townread so he makes a really weird reason not to vote him?

Also maybe he's signaling to his buddies to join the KC or NJ wagon and so both are town?

I don't know, it's a mess.

NakesJogger refuses to play the game, has an odd fixation and needs to be fixed. That is what I know about that slot.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:45 pm

I don't know what your talking about I'm the most vanilla strawberry flavor in this game minus the vanilla.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:49 pm

I remember, I can't help it. Strawberry or strawberry lemon

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:31 pm

Wow, people are confirming their alignment left and right. GG

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:55 pm

VC Day One

ABR:

Ellie

[L-10]
Mathblade: Shinobi [L-10]
Boonskiies:

Elusive

[L-10]

Klingoncelt

: Aeronaut, TSO, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Nobody Special, ABR, Cheetory6,

Pisskop

, Ozgin, Naked jogger [Lynch]
Naked jogger: kitz, Mathblade, dragonspawn, Goodmorning,

elusive, ellie

[L-5]

Ellie: Boonskiies

[L-10]
T S O:

Klingoncel

t [L-10]

Not voting: Wake88

______

VC Day Two

vikingfan

: Dragonspawn, Nobody special, FA_Q2, silverwolf, Naked jogger, ABR, mathblade, ozgin shinobi, wake88 [Lynch]
Ellie: Cheetory6
ABR: kitz, Goodmorning, ellie, Aeronaut, vikingfan [L-5]
Naked jogger:

elusive

Not voting: TSO

_____

VC Day Three

elusive

: naked jogger
naked jogger: mathblade
No Lynch:

elusive

mathblade: ABR, Cheetory6
ABR: Wake88, Aeronaut, silverwolf, Kitz, dragonspawn, TSO, goodmorning [L-2]

not voting: Shinobi, Nobody Special, Ozgin

____

Anyway, this is the VC. Someone should update the D3 one with the flips and then see if any votals\wagon analysis can help with things. Complete the puzzle before town dies!

Too many inconsistent people. All those who voted for VF presumably based on following ABR's logic and now voting him is bad. I'm not sure what ABR will flip but he couldn't have known Ellie would claim because of him and therefore not sure what team he's on.

However, I doubt scum would all be on the same wagon, some diffusion must be occurring probably the lone or non-votes.

MathBlade, that's the hard part.

Oh and Ozgin sorry about the RL stuff, hope it gets better.

VOTE: Wake88

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:05 pm

Wow, if I knew one vote would get you to maybe play the damn game I would have voted you sooner.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:26 pm

Wake I am sorry that RL is busy and stuff and hope that things get better and you get some relax time.

In a game with lurkers its harder to figure things out.

Also, I'm not sure what post of yours I ignored or if that was a general statement.

MathBlade, it should be NakedJogger. I don't know what's worse, if he flips town or if he flips scum and I was right and town ignored me for like three days straight.

WAKE, I gave you a recap of the VF situation and my reads at the time. You ignored it or didn't catch it and chose ABR. It might be okay if you're town, he's obviously good at persuasion.

Take a break, listen to music or watch a TV show that makes you laugh. Mafia is stressful.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:42 pm

ABR believed that it was impossible for VikingFan to be the cop due to role mechanics. He fake claimed cop and was a liar but his play doesn't seem set to a scum play because there was no need for him to create all that drama and theatrics and garner that much attention. However, his play was very anti-town. Most people voting him see to be disregarding actual thinking.

Actually even Kitz acknowledges that it is more likely he is telling the truth about some things but it seems people want to policy lynch him. I have never been a fan of policy lynches.

Ellie was the Backup Deputy Cop and she claimed and was NKed. So all suspicions on her were moot and bad.

I softclaimed my role which a couple of people have picked up on. More on that depending on how tonight goes.

The resistance to the NakedJogger wagon and his trolling bothers me extensively and much more then MB who I understand now.

VOTE: NakedJogger

Can town please be on this wagon?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:43 pm

Oh and Ozgin replaced House.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:50 pm

@WAKE

ABR's play to get the claimed cop killed by fake claiming does not make sense from a scum perspective, what benefit does it give him in terms of the long game and also if he were scum why would he fake claim to get VF lynched when he couldn't be sure to his claim being true or false and most likely would know it to be false, why not do something like mafia roleblock since this seems like a role heavy game, so therefore he is either extremely bad anti-town town or third party but I doubt he's scum especially since VF was roleblocked on his first night therefore there was no need to kill him in that public spectacle fashion.

dragonspawn, why don't you stop making stupid suggestions.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:50 pm

The only role I claimed was Strawberry Lemonade.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:52 pm

VikingFan was roleblocked by mafia night one, why the hell would ABR need to publicly get him killed when scum obviously have an RBer?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:57 pm

Wake,

Most people in thread agreed that on this site the meta is that doctors protection is not told to the attempted murder victim. That was the gist of his argument. He then lied to capitalize on it. You yourself said that the only way it was possible was due to special roles.

However, mafia both roleblocked and attempted to kill VikingFan (perhaps indicating two scum factions because that's overkill) and the doctor (non-consecutive) was murdered. Why not try again the next night now that the doctor is dead? Why create a spectacle?

I hate that I'm defending ABR but I don't want any more possible town mislynches.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:00 pm

@ika, I love the rainbow ones

I am trying hard not to abuse the rainbow text generator

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:06 pm

I would rather Wake or someone with a modicum of sense explain other possibilities.

@ika, and the pretty lighter on you did before :p

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:09 pm

Yes, I love wherever he got the above one from (and linky link).

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:13 pm

Aeronaut, ISO NakedJogger.

On day one he spent inordinate trying to tunnel(?) me. He also hammered Klingoncelt and had some sort of breakdown leading him to leave a voice recording.
On day two he has continued trolling and not contributing to the game other than to be a jerk.

Also, what do you think about the reasoning for ABR being town? Do you see any holes in it or?

Also GOOGLE rainbow text generator\maker.

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elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:14 pm

This one is good -> http://www.glitter-graphics.com/generators/rainbow.php

Aeronaut, NJ is not even trying.

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:15 pm

SilverWolf, any thoughts on the ABR discussion or NakedJogger?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:25 pm

In post 3629, elusive wrote:SilverWolf, any thoughts on the ABR discussion or NakedJogger?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:32 pm

In post 3633, dragonspawn wrote:Hey elusive can you explain how the scum could have role blocked Viking after their rb was dead

No, but the doctor is dead so they would have a better shot at him yeah?

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:38 pm

Ok SW. I can't think anymore.

Sweet dreams and all.

MB, vanilla with caramel syrup and gummi bears for you

Dragon, I may or may not be the second doc non consecutive. I may just be an ice cold strawberry lemonade. I want one so badly right now.

HYPO THETICALLY

THETICALLY HYPE

elusive · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:40 pm

I don't know what you're talking about vanilla manilla

elusive · Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:02 pm

In post 3667, FakedBlogger wrote:Thank God.
VOTE: elusive

Policy lynch

This game is sad and I really don't understand your play. Never going to play again with this one for sure.

~

As for the rest of things, it's like being Cassandra so I might as well just wait and watch.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:24 am

In post 3699, FakedBlogger wrote:
In post 3671, Nobody Special wrote:
Vote: NakedJogger

Does anyone want to lynch this guy?

Wow. Anything other erudite commentary you want to make?
NJ has spent two days being sociopathic at best.
Town has some self hatred issues it needs to work through.

Town,
Who are your top 2 scum reads today and why?
Who were you voting yesterday and why?

Ty.

Kiyz,it's possible that vig if there is one has three shots but wants to be sure and also its possible second non consec doc is doing okay and finally its possible mafia are targeting an night kill immune sk who can only be lynched.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:58 am

Are you town?

I'm still in my mourning dress from the abhorrent tragedy of it all and my sorrow knows no bounds. Done yet?

Above for TSO.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:21 am

I was taking to Shinobi in that post so whatever.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:48 pm

Aeronaut, can you explain NJ? Is this some meta thing?

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:54 pm

On GM, I would say that she is good as scum and seems more lackadaisical as town. From what I saw of one of her scum games, she works well with her buddies such as posting in tandem.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:55 pm

VOTE: NakedJogger[/]

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:14 pm

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:49 pm

Sorry, I was phone posting and am at a real computer now.

VOTE: Naked Jogger

Aeronaut, I don't really know dragon and it feels like he's one of the active lurkers. Should probably ISO to see if anything clicks.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:07 pm

If you think NJ scum, why the focus on dragon?

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:27 pm

dragonspawn's vote on ARB and Kitz vote on ABR were bad. I didn't care for either of them. "I know he's prolly town but voting him anyway CUZ I forgot this is a game and the goal is to lynch scum."

NJ, if you think goodmorning is scum or whatever make a case and ignore me. I already tried to make peace with you and its impossible. Also don't trash Mathblade, she was town and tried to be pro-town while you refuse to stop playing in a stubborn childish manner. I wonder if you're Jester and hoping to get lynched or what.

If you were the Vig I would be dead by now so it can't be that.

elusive · Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:28 pm

dragonspawn's vote on ARB and Kitz vote on ABR were bad. I didn't care for either of them. "I know he's prolly town but voting him anyway CUZ I forgot this is a game and the goal is to lynch scum."

NJ, if you think goodmorning is scum or whatever make a case and ignore me. I already tried to make peace with you and its impossible. Also don't trash Mathblade, she was town and tried to be pro-town while you refuse to stop playing in a stubborn childish manner. I wonder if you're Jester and hoping to get lynched or what.

If you were the Vig I would be dead by now so it can't be that. Is Jester possible in this setup?

elusive · Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:03 am

What is the mylo and lylo situation? How many more mislynches can be afforded if any?

elusive · Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:38 am

Tso, scum hunt. That's all you need to do.

Kits, I forgot about the option of reroll thats a good option for when games to bad.

gm do explain your elusive might be scum comment. Considering NJ was town that means he might be right about something.

elusive · Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:43 am

I don't see what you're seeing, since it wasnt a new day, it was a valid question to ask. NJ was the main wagon plus are you ignoring the soft claims of yester year?

elusive · Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:39 pm

Aeronaut, you tell me what you make of GM's post before the VC reset. On what basis did she state that "elusive might be scum"?

Not reading closely or?

elusive · Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:37 pm

Wow, TSO do I have to point out somethings to you from this Thread on why that might be a bad idea? What we should do is wagon analysis for all three (KC, Vikingfan, ABR) + the last VC on NJ. Since all were town, at least some on that must be scum. Can you do that? I might get to it tomorrow or Sunday probably should v\la though due to rl stuff.

Also, because I hadn't actually read the thread carefully post the VC. I did not ask for mod intervention. I also didn't click on any of NJ's links because of the obvious. That's all I will say on this issue till post game.

elusive · Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:56 pm

Also, just because YouTube links should be something lovely or funny or happy or sad but in a good way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mHAuOibP-k

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:42 am

Yeah, sell me a scum team don't sell me "Wake was scummy" because Wake has been awol as hell\floozyish in all his games.

I do wonder about certain things, need to re-iso some people.

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:35 pm

VOTE: FA_Q2

TSO, I asked one thing of you...just one.. and you couldn't even do that? I see how it is.

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:23 pm

Vote Count Analysis

So until we get the second scum and can do Interaction Analysis off of that this is a WIP.

Spoiler:

Analysis forthcoming (or help numbers elude me).

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:35 pm

Fixed Version

Spoiler:

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:44 pm

I'm willing to give Marquis another day as he's trying more than his predecessor.

3-3 means two teams of 3?

The problem is that based on the drama filled days we're having, scum could be coasting and we have way too many active lurkers in the game which is annoying.

I do want you to clarify why you FOSed me as scum last day, what was the reasoning behind that, GM?

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:11 pm

Hey hey GM. Answer the question that I've asked more then once already.

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:44 pm

An explanation of why is still forthcoming. Waiting on it.

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:47 pm

Let me be specific:
1. What about those posts led you to make that assertion?
2. Where do you stand on that FOS now?
3. Why aren't you scum hunting me?

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:41 pm

I never said I want to kill NS. TSO said that. I am against due to in-thread reasons unless I'm making a huge Fail which I hope not. I want TSO to respond to what I asked him.

SilverWolf, I'm the closest thing to confirmed town in this game right now. So yeah.

elusive · Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:42 pm

Yeah I'm confirmed town because I crumbed pretty hard, I've seen other people's crumbs, and also because every day we've lynched town I've fought the lynch except for NJ. Deal with it.

elusive · Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:40 am

Well not until I'm dead but then it won't matter anymore? Or hunt me if you're not sure? Also, now that you're back. What is your take on Aeronaut\TSO?

TSO, do you have amnesia in this game because all of the drama? Even SW got it at least I think she did, so maybe ISO better?

elusive · Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:14 am

TSO, where is your vote?

Also I fucking do what I very well please so get over yourself.

elusive · Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:38 pm

Why are you lurking? Who do you think scum is?

elusive · Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:22 am

Don't hammer just yet not all the scumfucks have chimed in.

elusive · Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:32 pm

Hey FA_Q2, who is scum? What are you reads?

What in you ISO shows your super townness?

elusive · Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:38 pm

VOTE: unvote

FA_Q2, your ISO is interesting. I agree about some things. Still hate the ABR hammer but I do wonder why a scum Wake would replace when it's an easy win situation.

You've got time, so be useful to town.

elusive · Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:58 pm

If he doesn't produce reads on scum and everyone in the game he will burn in a wonderful bonfire with all the lovely gory details.

elusive · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:34 pm

In post 4159, SilverWolf wrote:I hate the site meta that townreads and therefore rewards people who lurk or play anti-town or talk about how lazy they are more than just once or twice. People who do this routinely should replace out, be lynched or vigged. No exceptions.

*frustrated rant due to.................things and not directed necessarily at any one in particular, just pent up vent*

Effing agree to this so much.

In post 4189, SilverWolf wrote:Cheetory-I don't understand why you are so frustrated and upset. I'm sorry but I really don't. This is weird.

Second this. I mean is it the avatar change or are you acting out a bit too much cheetory6? Like what in the world?

elusive · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:38 pm

21 players, 6 dead all town + 1 dead scum. About 3-5 scum and what about 3p?

That leaves 14 players alive?
Considering ratios, that means we have 1-2 mislynches at most before town and scum are about equal in number?

elusive · Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:23 pm

No he didn't need to go. TOwn killing town is bs. I don't care if a town player just posts some LSD induced crap, if town really thinks its that bad they ask the Mod for replace they don't go on a fucking town killing parade.

If you suspected even a tiny bit that he was town or as it were pretty clear you shouldn't have voted him. There are other ways to shut up town players who are being unstable as fuck but killing them is pointless.

Marquis, the level of analysis on this site is actually sub par overall as compared to other sites where by force of peer pressure even the dumbbells at least attempt it if only to look as if they have wit.

I hate that FA2 has started to look town now. Why now? Why not a hundred pages ago?

TSO seems town for reasons but I need to see TSO flip to figure that one out. His and cheetory's Break Up & Make Up seemed artificial, not sure if all of its was staged or one person involved as artificially being fake. Do not care for cheetory's "Oh no I'm melting, I'm melting, What a Wicked world" feeling.

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:03 am

SW, I'm not sure. I think the fact that Marquis is showing activity (and I guess people stating that Wake is too good to make the kind of weird things he did as scum at least with the hammer and threats) is making me not want that slot dead just yet. I guess FA is where my vote will be later tonight. Cheetory is probably who I want dead the most atm.

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:19 am

Agree in full that we need a flip, please be a scum flip.

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:22 am

Wait what are your reads TSO?

SHare out.

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:24 am

Oh and I have never needed protection in this game because I'm BP so please don't waste anything on me any town.

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:26 am

I'm not sure why you can't be more subtle, tso.

Also, yay MathBlade's crumbs about my role were totally not seen by scum otherwise I would be dead by now. Go MathBlade!

SW <3

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:27 am

Odd or even or in between? I like those kinds of gambles.

elusive · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:35 am

If FA flips scum then cheetory looks worse I think? He tried to wagon TSO as a counter to it?

Marquis, there is one key post in this entire thread that explains my claim and view on claims and also my real claim. Only One. I'm sorry you missed it.

elusive · Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:51 pm

Been busy, will try to check in in a day or two or by Saturday full catchup.

VLAish

elusive · Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:02 pm

Promise to follow up tomorrow but considering that VF wanted to check Shinobi and ABR fake claimed to it, I wonder.

Cheetory prolly not be scum at this point, will catch up tomorrow and look at the FA wagon.

The other thing I'm putting out there is, in a role heavy setup (?) is it possible mafia have a doctor and therefore vig kill isn't going through because of that? Considering we had two?

elusive · Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:12 pm

Is TSO's meta that he is more aggressive as scum?

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:30 pm

I'm not the vig.

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:52 pm

The problem is that most likely mafia roles have to balance town right? So if town is OP but hard on luck then mafia is also OP but having a grand time.

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:57 pm

If there is a vig then I assume mafia have to have a doctor.

Can you rephrase your claim and what if any actions you took n1-n3?

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:05 pm

Why would you target MathBlade? Just why?

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:11 pm

We need one effing scum slip. Just one.

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:28 pm

TSO< you promised that with FAq2 as well. Fool me once...

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:32 pm

In post 4907, T S O wrote:If it's a scum flip, I hear that TSO guy is selling them for free. Think he calls them Marquis or something.

Your murder of MathBlade infuriates me. So does your push on FAQ2 being wrong.

I might be okay with Marquis if you weren't pushing it.

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:47 pm

Cheetory you did a 180 on TSO?

TSO, you could be an SK. MathBlade was asking to be lynched and if can't claimed vengeful townie - why not have just lynched her?

What are your thoughts on Shinobi?

Are two shots all you had?

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:49 pm

*if can't - idk what I was thinking.

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:49 pm

Don't answer the two shots question.

elusive · Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:31 pm

VOTE: Shinobi

Yeah, no.

elusive · Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:41 pm

SW, the withdrawal is because of RL tbh and once break starts end of this week I should be back. Also, when I'm wrong about things I get quieter.

elusive · Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:55 pm

And the scum pile on.

elusive · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:15 pm

First of all GM, the assertion that there are no other town PRs is blatantly false. I'm a town PR, just one difficult to kill. Yay for me.

elusive · Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:00 pm

I wonder if there are less kills because mafia or the SK keeps targeting me? I did tell doctors not to protect me as it was pointless and from what I know if a doctor protects me its a useless action that I don't get informed upon as it wouldn't affect me? Will check my PMs and ask ika a clarifying question to make sure.

elusive · Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:05 pm

If that is so then my role is probably balanced with an unlimited shot SK unless we have some mafia role to match that? Ugh I can't think. Tomorrow more on this then.

I'm also interested in the break up of what seem to be odd\even roles, unlimited roles, and limited shot roles. What is the balance and town must be doing something right these past few nights to counteract the one or two mafia groups and\or the scum?

elusive · Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:44 pm

GM, explain the claim or what actions you have.

I doubt House would replace out of a scum role? That is the only reason I'm town reading that slot?

elusive · Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:50 pm

Also can the role neighborize scum?

GM, its not possible for me to be the SK and also have BP. I have a passive action, I doubt anyone has both a passive and active aspect of their role that would be OP as fuck and also this isn't Town of Salem.

I'm assuming that scum might have tried to kill me some night or nights and failed. That doesn't explain all the no kills as no one would be stupid enough to go after the same target night after night?

One a optimistic day I would say we only have one scum team and no sks but then the optimism wonders the scum roles. Is it possible they have a role cop, a doctor, and idk a godfather type setup?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:26 am

I think she needs to explain the role clearly and what actions she took which night.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:39 am

As long as you aren't having a faux emotional catfight with TSO, I'm sure we'll be fine

Oh just noticed the "Happy birthday, SleepyKrew!" message - inside joke?

GM, which night did you take which action?

For example:

N1 - Neighborized " "
N3 - Neighborized " "

Why haven't you added more people or are you limited shot?

And then its possible that you can neighborize scum so why are you certain of both people being town?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:42 am

first line above was to cheetory.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:42 am

SO few people talking about the Shinobi lynch while FA was pushed really quickly. Paranoia time?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:56 am

Kitz, I town read you and have been town reading you. Nothing has changed in that other then for me to look closely at people scum reading you.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:21 am

So SW are you saying Ozgin is also a neighbor?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:50 am

Actually we can trust 0 of what ABR said.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:57 am

Considering Shinobi that a look at your ISO has you wanting to kill people without much reasoning left and right (kitz, aeronaut) - you know without any cases makes me less sympathetic to you overall. You've wanted people dead because it would be "fun" - not really a town mindset.

How about you do a reads list or something concrete on your thoughts on all the players still alive that isn't jumping back and forth and all over the place?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:25 am

lol, explain it real slow buddy. can you explain it again?

In which post (link) have you experienced the majority of your reads? Or quote them, will you? Use the Spoiler feature, live a little on the edge.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:49 am

Shinobi,

Your reads bounce, I looked at you in ISO and you were on Kitz's case for the majority of your play - what changed?

As for your explanations they are sub-par, you fluff more then you analyze and you lack reasoning. I agree with Kitz's in post #4824 and you deflect rather then answer them.

Also your read on Aero still doesn't make sense seems its based on him voting your for thinking your "kill for funsies" post was scummy. So no you suck. Now if you ISOed him and provided some reasoning as to why - you know I think they call it a case - I might be inclined to oh...I guess listen.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:03 am

Explain it again to me real slow like you mean it.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:23 am

Yeah but that's what you said about FA too, didn't you?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:32 am

TSO

When SHinobi gives me a solid case on Aeronaut being scum then I'll consider him seriously. He's been coasting and he has scum reads based on one-liners.

No you said FA was obvi scum and he wasn't.

One of you or Marquis needs to die.

If you think Ozgin is scum then SW must be too and who the fuck knows with the GM claim and that little hood.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:46 am

This is my question, Wake is not some sub par player. He just isn't, he's calculated. WHy would he hammer and then why would he replace if he were scum? He reminds me of House in preferring to play scum.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:30 pm

TSO hard defending Shinobi and vice versa, is this a sign Lord?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:45 pm

I asked you to make a fucking case for Aeronaut as scum. You refuse to put in the work. So either produce a scum case on Aeronaut using his ISO or stop whining like a brat.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:48 pm

I'm not going to ask you again, Shinobi.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:07 pm

So I asked Shinobi several times to provide an actual case on why he scum reads Aeronaut. The concept of case is foreign to no one in this game or they would ask. Interestingly he mentions two other scum reads but won't provide a case for either of them as well.

Being obstructive does no one any good.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:17 pm

Lame. ^

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:25 pm

Oh theatrics, how I feel about them:

TSO maybe you should focus your ire on little old Shinobi since you're safe for today and that one is about to hit the chopping block because he can respond with "you tell me" but he can't be effed to make a case on his scum reads. Any of the three of them.

As for Marquis, maybe if you *GASP* built an actual case instead of thinking that spouting of one liners was somehow miraculous, town might care.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:42 pm

See the difference between FA and Shinobi is that I felt weird about lynching FA but didn't trust my reads. With Shinobi who's now OMGUSing me like an amnesiac who missed day 1-3 when I screamed from the rooftops against each town lynch tells me something is wrong. I was waiting to unleash wrath on whichever scumfuck decided to try to OMGUS me and guess what

*ring ding ding*

It's Shinobi. His flip tells us what to do with you TSO.

Also why not shoot Marquis if you're so confident?

I wonder if GM or instead the people she confirmed one of which is Aeronaut?

Then there's the SW and Ozgin neighbors stuff which Holy Fuck, there can't be this many neighbors can there be?

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:31 pm

I think Shinobi dying today for his utterly crap play is ideal. TSO you're welcome to shoot whoever you want tonight. If the person you NK turns out to be scum, great news we'll follow your lead!

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:37 pm

who is everybody in your fantasy land?

Marquis, I agree about Aero since it'll help clear air around GM and her claim.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:47 pm

I don't think TSO is the sk at least I don't lean that, I do want him to shoot someone from a narrow pool because his shooting MathBlade was whack to the level F.

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:58 pm

VOTE: unvote

elusive · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:13 pm

In post 5195, Shinobi wrote:I never made a giant post explaining my reads. I've been giving reads throughout today and there's no reason for you to not be able to see them.

I've already noted that I thought Marquis/TSO was likely TvT.
I've said that I thought Kitz was town because I think he reads were so off-the-wall that scum wouldn't actually dare to have them.
I've fought with GM over the course of today.
I just explained why I think Aero is scum, and I've been asking about him throughout most of today anyway.

The only ones you might have an excuse to not know about are my reads on you/SilverWolf, and I think SilverWolf is town. It does seem like she's trying to figure things out with her posting and that she's trying to get a look at the big picture rather than get into fights with other players.

If you couldn't see them before, you can now.

Wow, its like my unvote just told me to kill myself.

elusive · Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 am

Tso if there is a mafia doctor, its possible that who you target may be protected. Who are the top three people you think might be good targets (2 real and 1 fake to throw off the scent).

Shinobi, your reads aren't convincing that is my main issue with you. You also do bounce back and forth quite a lot, for example with Kitz, which I wonder about.

elusive · Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:52 am

New players may sheep or if a player has gotten 1-2 mafia killed in row, then yes sheep otherwise its suspicious as hell and deserves a death sentence.

elusive · Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:57 am

Is the individual known to get scum killed? Then yes it makes sense. Is the individual not particularly well-renowned or doing anything amazing? Then no. I guess at the far end would be if it were a friend that you really trusted but even then only if the friend was particularly talented.

I'm not sure if you're asking me about dragonspawn who far too many people have to excuse for his play. If people have to excuse your for having some whack job playstyle then fix it or get fixed.

elusive · Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:12 am

Don't selectively read or you detract from your own skill as a player and you really in particular don't need to do that.

Or did you really miss the other half of the equation?

Jesus, why isn't this one dead yet?

elusive · Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:25 am

elusive · Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:26 am

SHOUTING is a bit more like this, child.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:33 am

I didn't crumb BP, something close that I think only MathBlade got. Also, what I think real town would do is search through Aeronaut + pisskop in ISO for interactions.

I see scum jumping on my wagon like little scummy folks.

You can't explain my play as scum in any way. Therefore, keep jumping on the wagon scum since its apparent your NK attempt didn't work and you think you have a good chance at town doing your dirty work for you.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:37 am

Marquis, you seem to be trying to build up a history of projecting your own scum\3p role on me. I mean we just finished out a game where you tried this same gambit and it didn't work there either, hun.

I'll ISO Aeronaut later tonight since I'm doubting the scumfucks would be capable of it.

VOTE: Marquis

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:51 am

Considering she "neighbored" Aeronaut and there is a neighbor thing between Ozgin and SW, I don't even get what is going on with that much neighborizing but I imagine its alternate or one shot.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:55 am

Wait, TSO are you stating that you took a shot on GM but were blocked? Or what kind of message did you get on being blocked?

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:26 am

Spoiler: Relevant Quotes from ISO

In post 5104, Aeronaut wrote:Town = Marquis, GM, Silver

To be sorted = Kitz, Ogzin, Elusive

Scum = TSO, Shinobi, Dragonspawn, probably Cheetory. Yea.

Hmm....

In post 2520, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 2519, elusive wrote:
Aeronaut is probably scum (oh and great question about alignment of Pisskop, you're really reading carefully and that almost seemed like a town slip except it was such BS since his role aka "Mafia" was mentioned in the death scene). Boo hoo. VOTE: Aeronaut

What? I didn't ask a question about his alignment.

Hmm....

In post 3326, Aeronaut wrote:I don't get why people are including dead people in their lists, we already know their alignment, we don't need your input on if their scum or not.

Mathblade

acryon
: Scum, depending on ABR flip.

Kitz:
Pretty Town. Thinking Kitz is pretty town, just based off of her conversations and inquiries. She seems very organic.

Naked jogger

joker443
: Lean Scum. He doesn't really seem to be paying close attention to the game, and is just kind of voting with the wind. That D1 hammer was also gross.

Shinobi

TheFireRises
: Null. I don't know why, but I keep missing his posts. Not seeing a lot from him either way, I'd like to look at him tomorrow if possible.

Nobody special

croboss
:Null. Hasn't posted since Day 2. Post more.

dragonspawn
:
Scum, for reasons stated above, and I stand by my reasoning on him from day 1; Not a fan of how he sort of got away from a lynch by people saying that "looking scummy is his meta". To be honest, a lot of his posting is reminiscent of the Newbscum I see when I'm ICing newbie games. He needs rope.

SilverWolf:
Null, slight scum read. Starting to wonder here; Day 1, I'd bet money on SW being town, but more in more she's falling from the radar, going with the crowd. Basically, her play style has taken a full 180 this game, and I don't like it. Will be looking further into this matter.

elusive:
Town for reasons I'd like to not point out at this time.

Goodmorning
Grib
:Null. I said I was going to take a look back at grib, and I did. From what I see there, he was starting to look pretty sketchy; however, goodmorning's recent postings have seemed pretty town to me, just based on her having very similar opinions as me (which I know doesn't nessesarily make her town, by any means, but I feel like she's being logical enough for me to not want her lynched.)

Wake88:
Leaning scum. 80% of Wake's posting is complaining about how fast the game is, how he can't get a foothold, he's busy, etc. The other 20% is answering select questions that people ask him.

Ozgin

House
:Null, lurking. Another person who hasn't posted since D2. Please post.

T S O:
Nul. I play with T S O pretty often, but I'm actually having some trouble reading him this game. He's all over the place. Sort of makes me want to go check Masquerade for any similarities.

Cheetory6:
Null, maybe slight town read. Wasn't a fan of the ATE-esque posting going on during D2. Having said that, I also have a bit of reason to town read him because of ~ongoing~

Albert B. Rampage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYp9opLWz5o

FA_Q2
:
Uh, Town, I think. Sort of under the radar.

Spoiler: Some thoughts, need to do a VC Analysis as well

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:52 am

How is my play in any way anti-town? You would really have to stretch and manipulate to prove that while the other way is provable by in thread.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:17 am

Marquis you try to kill me every game we're in so obviously your suckage levels are high in general and eww.

SW, I have been VLA across all my games so fuck off, I even missed deadline or some lynch in this game because of RL. I was active day 1-3 and town went ahead and lynched everyone I said not to lynch so I don't really give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks because I'm still ahead.

Anyone who looks at ISO or VC and isn't a scumfuck or a dumbfuck will see clearly scum soft defends their own and doesn't vote each other. Not sure how my voting and suspecting Pisskop and Aeronaut until the ABR\viking\mb drama took over everything could possibly prove that I'm scum but hey this town could win the worst performance award.

Spoiler: VC Analysis, Need to Find Most Recent VCs

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:24 am

Fuck of SilverWolf....that kind of bullshit ATE doesn't work with me.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:25 am

LOL, she's voting me now because I said fuck off, that's real town play. LMAO.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:29 am

Calling me bitch repeatedly, not cool and also disgusting from you.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:30 am

In fact, @mod I would like to be modkilled or have SW replaced. There's no way that is acceptable.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:34 am

Marquis, Why don't you quote what you find problematic about my play in this game because what I see is nonsense.

Also, the whole lynch them even if they are town attitude is not town. And its really shitty play.

SilverWolf, I've seen enough of your play to know that you are taking a fuck off into overdrive. It's really pathetic play. You called me out on being VLA which has been across games which is also really shitty to do. Then you repeatedly called me a bitch. So who's the disgusting individual right now? You are.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:38 am

Actually, I don't do faux or scum drama.

Either the Mod replaces me for whatever crap Marquis is supposedly talking about and can prove or the Mod replaces SilverWolf for repeatedly calling me a bitch. I don't accept that from anyone.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:40 am

I told her to F off for bringing up that I wasn't here which I explained in thread and through VLA.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:40 am

I don't question people's RL nor do I use it as a reason to vote them. It's a shitty thing to do.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:48 am

We aren't friends. goodmorning told TSO to fuck of and he didn't throw a hissy fit or respond by calling her a psycho bitch even if he thinks she's scum. SilverWolf decided to call me a bitch several times. Not going to take that so one of us needs to be replaced, I don't care which at this point but I think SW is the one who crossed the line considering how crazy she gets if someone says anything to her.

If there is modkill or whatever- 3 shot commuter used up all my commutes but I do not get notified if scum attacked me or not. Points if you can find the post where MathBlade crumbs for me to commute.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:52 am

It was nice messing with scum while it lasted. This town eh.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:54 am

I don't really care. Saying fuck off to someone is really different from calling them a bitch repeatedly. People say fuck off in these games regularly. I already made it clear in thread that I was busy so focusing on that seemed opportunistic. I really don't care what you have to say.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:57 am

Not interested. If a player has been VLA for the days you are talking about and you bring it up you are bringing up VLA. I've been VLA across my games so you not seeing town participation is just focusing on the fact that I've been VLA a lot recently.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:58 am

You had a fit when someone called you a bitch and now you think its okay to call me one? I don't think so. That's pot kettle.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:03 am

lol, so are you really upset at gm telling tso to fuck off? Or is that just towards you? It doesn't work that way. There are certain things that most players do which are considered acceptable and then there is what you did is start calling me a bitch repeatedly. Not only that but you aren't even aknowledging how according to your own standards that was disgusting on your behalf.

Since the whole issue is that I have been VLA or busy in RL and stated it in several places makes your pointing out my "participation" suspect and bad and therefore an argument not worth listening to.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:09 am

Telling someone to fuck off is extremely different from calling them a bitch. If you aren't able to distinguish that then really I see the point made by others about your playstyle.

fuck off
phrasal verb of fuck
1.
(of a person) go away.

Vs. what you said.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:21 am

Let's just be clear, I don't listen to players who do actual anti-town things in a repeated number. As for listening, most people didn't listen to me early on and if that is the standard by which to call players bitch or dick then I should have been more vocal early on.

@Mod, I'm not asking for a replace of SilverWolf, its just a personal blacklist now. At this point it makes it suck for the players already invested. If I'm crossing the line here which I do think I did then feel free to replace me.

End of issue until Mods interefere.

Now does anyone with actual interest in solving the game want any info because town would be asking questions about that claim.

I'm considering that mafia would try to push me as SK since they wouldn't be able to get me otherwise.

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:22 am

elusive · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:23 am

I used up all three shots. I am not told if I was attacked. If you look through crumbs "bird" "fly away at night" pretty much covers it.