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quick skim of noddy's iso says sakura interactions make him town (or not scum with sakura)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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it's sad that with 1 day to the deadline, the next biggest wagon is 3 votes and it doesn't look like it's on scum, eitherspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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someone give me a reads list to work with as a baseline (preferably one that isn't bad*) - i'm not sure i'll be reading a full 80 pages in time for anything i say about it to matter
* any reads list with my slot as anything other than town is one i'd consider bad. before offering to replace in, i skimmed through elusive's iso and it took me all of about 10 seconds to realise i was replacing into a town slot (because sakura interactions and general play)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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Vote: Thor
minor feelings he's scum from what i've skimmed but mostly a place-holder til i find something better (and an open invitation for him to make me think he's not scum)
gonna lie down and start doing ISOs of people on the noddy wagon on my phone. i may or may not fall asleep while doing thisspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i'm not necessarily sure he is the scummiest player, but it felt like a good place to put my vote. i was opening up random points of the game and reading through different places to see if anything caught my attention and thor's posts were feeling really stiff and mechanical to me. that said, now that there's a deadline extension, i'll be reading the game properly over the course of the day so i'll be able to flesh this out a little
have you ever played with noddy before?
is 2054 all of why you think noddy is scum?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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the course of the day being the course of the IRL day. so some time in the next 12~ish hoursspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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eh. i dunno. maybe he just doesn't like large normals or something. you replaced into his slot in 173 where he basically lurked for over 2 whole weeks before a short burst of activity followed by flaking
that said, i would like it if he came out to play
what are your reads (and why)?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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@marquis
actually one thing that slightly worried me when i skimmed through noddy's ISO is that some of his earlier posts felt a bit feigned (e.g. i'm not sure whether 622 really makes any sense given his posts before that had... nothing much in them?). i dunno
what do you think about the sakura interactions? do you think it's possible the way they interacted was scum-scum?
these in particular:
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(also i kinda feel there might be more jumping for joy at the fact that he was right about sakura in his first D2 post, instead it felt a bit formal... that said, it's not like he played any direct part in sakura dying, so i dunno)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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Spoiler: noddy D1->D2spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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you know, i used to have a scum tell for mnemonicdevice that went "if he ever puts effort into the game, and especially if he does a PBPA, he's scum"
i wonder if that still holdsspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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Varsoon, Flubbernugget, Gorkington*
Antihero, copper223*, TheFuzzylogic99, OkaPoka, pisskop
notscience, Marquis, droog
ika, mnemonicdevice, Seohyun
ZZZX, Boonskiies, Thor665
at the end of D1. not particularly important, but i'm working on the assumption this is 16:4:1 or 15:5:1 (depending on the distribution of town/scum power)
i'd lynch from the bottom of this list if trying to hit group-scum
i'd lynch from the asterisks if trying to hit SK (though i'm not particularly fond of taking shots in the dark on people who i'm pretty sure are not group-scum, it's just something i'd keep in mind further down the line)
not entirely sure i'm comfortable with lynching Thor while he's V/LA. i think he could very well be scum, but i would have preferred interacting with him a little to shore up this read one way or another, and that seems unlikely with him gone til the deadline
i'll finish reading the rest of the game then maybe go through each of my reads (or ones that i think are important/controversial, at least). maybe before i go to sleep tonight, more likely tomorrow thoughspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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though i'm kinda wondering where scum's roleblock went N1
the logical choice would have been to roleblock the person claiming confirmable role (which, with a dead watcher, is not a very risky plan at all)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i would like it if noddy looked like he gave even the slightest smurf about this gamespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2081, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:What is bothering me is he voted Sakura early and kept the vote on her while acting like he is townreading her or maybe consider her null. I get the whole buddy thing ..they are friends. Still I would expect him to push a case on her ( maybe not in a way we are totally use to) or take his vote off of her.
are you referring to what was obviously a joke/greeting/whatever vote, regardless of noddy's alignment?
a vote he made without having read the game?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2094, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Marquis seem to be trying to say his vote on Sakura was a town sigh
no, he's talking about the overall interactions with sakura, including calling sakura scum after the flames stuff happened, not the vote
In post 2094, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:What are you your thought on tbe Thor wzgon
it's hard to parse what you're actually asking here.
my thoughts on the people on the wagon? mostly or all town - see reads list.
my thoughts on thor himself? i might go into detail when i finish reading (about 30 pages behind atm) - though, briefly, the only interaction i can recall between thor and sakura was that early "why are you buddying me?!?!" thing which was never followed up on and i don't remember them interacting on any meaningful level after that plus i think a lot of thor's stances are very mechanical and superficial.
my thoughts on whether he should be lynched today? see my hesitance in the second last paragraph of 2077spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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well that's not cool
look what you've done now
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"don't wreck shit" seems like an adequate policy though? unless it takes all his concentration to not wreck shit, in which case he probably has bigger problems than a mafia game and i can understand his absencespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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eh, i don't have any strong feelings about ZZZX being scum, it's just that i can't think of anything he's written that made me think town. i mean there's very minor things here or there but nothing super amazing
as a sort of "culling deadweight" thing, i suppose i wouldn't shed many tears if a ZZZX lynch happened, but eh
same for boon, really
thor i feel is more likely scum than either of them, but i am not very courageous and if i'm wrong i'd feel really bad about lynching him while he's VLA, which is putting me in a predicament. cull useless players who *might* be scum of push lynch on a rather strong player who i'd rather have around if i happen to be wrong
im gonna sleep on it and write my full thoughts on stuff tomorrow maybe. aware of deadline but i can barely keep my eyes openspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2130, Thor665 wrote:Dude, serious? You're calling me scum, but because I took a V/LA I'm somehow safe from you?
no?
that's not what i said at all, actually
i said i wanted to interact with you and get a feel for where you're currently at with the game but i can't because you're VLA. it wasn't an accusation, just a statement of fact
it has nothing to do with why i think you're scum, it was just me mentioning my disappointment in the timing of your VLA
i think you're scum because
(1) you're pushing the idea that sakura was buddying to you really hard when she wasn't. she mentioned liking one of your points in one of her posts... and that's it. what happened after that? virtually no interaction between the two of you. you didn't follow up on her at all after asking a few generic questions about her "buddying" and you didn't pressure her at all if you thought it was suspicious. on her end of things? pretty much no mentions of you after that. i think she was being extremely conscious of you and not wanting to openly "buddy" someone she was scum with. or maybe it's a coincidence because she never saw a need to agree with you again or maybe she feared you'd catch on to her. though, given you were applying absolutely zero pressure to her at all, i see the latter scenario here as unlikely. the only thing i'm thinking about right now is whether you would have consciously tried to interact more with her as a scum buddy, and i'm currently undecided whether i think that's the case. what i do think, however, is that you pushing the idea that you're town because she was "hard buddying you" in one post is a load of smurf.
(2) a lot of your stances have felt pretty smurfing smurf. i call it mechanical because i see you pushing lines of logic but i don't see you analysing motivation at all, really. a prime example would be the push on my slot today. it's based completely on the idea that you think... scum would outright lie about facts that can be checked. when others (including elusive) suggested it could be a problem of interpretation, you dismissed it as dodging and asked them to prove it. i thought your varsoon push wasmaybeunderstandable from a town-you perspective, since i could theoretically see you not liking the fact he lied about his claim maybe, but that was also an incredibly mechanical push. i found myself agreeing with a lot of copper's niggles with you D1 as well and i never really understood why you felt copper was scum (or scummy). oh, and i suppose one other issue i have with the way you're approaching things today is that i think you're not really taking into account what different interactions with sakura were actually saying. for example, the idea that antihero was scum with sakura because she buddied you, not him! that read like a pile of smurf to me. it's simplistic thinking and it isn't looking at a lot of different factors (focusing on one post and nothing else) and i think you're a better player than that.
i know i haven't played with you as town for like a bajillion years but i don't remember you being this robotic in the way you approached the game.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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thank you for the visual representation
i'm not surprised you don't have enough time for mafia with your condition as it isspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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you should probably ask better questions if you're not looking for a simple "i'm town" or "i don't give a smurf what you do"spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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btw thor,
could you remind me why you're voting noddy?
because as far as i can tell, it's because he was active lurking or something like that
what do you think of his interactions with sakura? or his play in general outside of the recent inactivity?
i mean, he could be scum, i suppose, but i don't even really know why you're voting him except that he's useless (which applies to a few players in this game). why is noddy the special scum one?
In post 2130, Thor665 wrote:The Fuzzy wagon is suspicious for still being alive - I'd also be willing to lynch any of those scumballs voting it.
also could you describe who you're referring to here specifically (unless you mean you think all of the scum are out to get him?) and why they're "scumballs" (other than voting a wagon you seem to disagree with)?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i know you were talking to noddy
i'm saying if you want better answers than that out of him, you need to ask better questionsspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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are... are you serious?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i mean, there's this and (while this isn't actually a case or anything, it should at least give you an idea of things that i don't like about his play) 2167
i mean i suppose i could pull up quotes and stuff and go into a lot more detail about that? i dunno how you missed what my stance on thor is, though...spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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out of interest, if you do live through the day, are you planning to stop being an unhappy bundle of apathy?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i'm not really interested in seeing you 'defend' yourself so much as actually participate.
you know
tell me who you think is scum and why and all that jazz that muggles like doing in mafia gamesspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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ok
i ask because i would feel bad about defending you only to have you lurk to end game and have it turn out you're actually scum and i'm an idiot for derailing the wagon on you
newtolia is mnemonicdevice
actually i had a rather minute town read on otolia for the way the end of D1 played out. specifically his aggression towards varsoon post-claim and some of the ways he was interacting with sakura towards the end of D1
not particularly strong though, and mnemonic's play this game reminds me a lot of how he plays scum (even if he says he claims he's a changed man)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 993, Otolia wrote:2. Varsoon is a liability, he lied about his abilities before L-1, then got caught and admitted said lie. Now he is saying he can proves his alignment by tomorrow. I do believe there is a strong possibility he is town (and a PR at that), but I can't feel but intrigued as to why he decided to act before L-1. So far, he has not given town enough to trust him. If he is indeed town-aligned, he has fucked up immensely but still acts as if he were the sole person able to help town. This is incredibly arrogant and foolish for someone who succumbs to the first wagon in a Large game. I think lynching him is the safest play and it's the one I advocate. But consensus needs to be achieved regarding his actions. And at that point, I believe his death by lynch or Vig would be better than his death by NK. In the first case, we control and people are held accountable, in the second, we don't really know. What if he is killed by someone and we can't see his alignment or his previous abilities ? There is too much breadcrumb left by Varsoon for me to ignore and move on to another case. As such I shall remain on his wagon until people start acting rationally.
i thought this and 1015 were kinda town~ish if you kinda squint and look at it from a 45 degree anglespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i suppose it could also come from scum who doesn't believe varsoon has a verifiable claim? i dunno. seems a weird push when sakura pretty much backed off of varsoon when he claimed confirmable rolespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 831, Varsoon wrote:Look, I know there's a whoooole bunch of shit going around today.
But here's something I can actually prove:
I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
If I'm not, run me up for lynch.
In post 839, Sakura Hana wrote:Unvote
Vote: Otolia
I swear to god if you're lying again im power lynching you tomorrow.
playing the game where i randomly quote stuff that happened earlier in the game and someone else tells me whether it means anythingspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2217, Seohyun wrote:why is it that in the games i've been in, apathetic, 'im going to be lynched' players are always scum?
My perception is probably heavily skewed now on that behavior
it's an anti-town trait. it's not necessarily a scum trait
i mean, honestly, it's not behaviour i like to encourage but it's something you just gotta deal with and i've been there before so i can't really chastise someone for it
sometimes shit happensspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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who do you think is scum, seohyun?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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btw thor, one thing i'm interested in, you can feel free to not answer this question if you don't think it's relevant, but i'll ask anyway
do you think there are any defining differences in your town and scum games?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2230, Seohyun wrote:flub
could you elaborate on this one a little
it's probably a little different for me because i read through D1 paying close attention to flips and stuff and you've been in the game since the beginning so you wouldn't have noticed it, but he's actually one of my stronger town reads, partially for the way he interacted with sakura and partially for the strong-headed approach to the game i saw in multiple places D1 that didn't really look like scum pushing an agendaspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2231, mnemonicdevice wrote:We need a lynch, even though I don't quite see the logic in this wagon:
VOTE: THOR
btw if there is group-scum on the thor wagon right now, i think this is it (partially because i have a not-group-scum read on the rest of the wagon and partially because this vote feels off to me)
i realise it's a compromise vote, it's just the phrasing here makes me think he was never really interested in the noddy lynch, which makes me wonder what he's been doing today
and the noddy wagon was 6 compared to thor's 7 at the time so it's not like a compromise was absolutely necessary at the timespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i mean i suppose it depends on whether noddy is actually town, but eh
that vote (timing/reasoning) just looked out-of-place to mespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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that said, given the position scum is in at the moment, if thor flips scum, i'll feel less bad about thatspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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it should also be noted that thor is functionally L-1 because ika (assuming he's around) is going to mindlessly quick-hammer as soon as it hits actual L-1spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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btw if Thor is scum, ZZZX is probably town
also, i feel i should reiterate / explain this...
the asterisks in my first reads list next to copper/gork were because i think one of them is likely SK. formerfish was not a town kill, and i think whoever shot him was specifically aiming for scum... there are a number of people i'm thinking are unlikely to have made this shot as SK, but more to the point, both copper/gork expressed concern that formerfish lurking meant he's scum and i don't recall anyone else even acknowledging this (i may have missed it)
just in case i die tonight, i wanted to get this out there to think about. i probably wouldn't go SK hunting until 2 more group-scum die, but keep it in mind further down the linespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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yeah i realised that i misread your question to me after i posted but i just never went back to correct it because, tbh, it was a shit question anyway
i'm clearly not calling you a sacred cow that shouldn't be defiled, as evidenced by the fact i'm still pushing you - i said i would be a bit sad if you turned out to be town and i pushed a lynch on you while VLA, it's not going to stop me wanting you dead
i've read the entire game. what i was paying special attention to, actually, was who sakura called town and why. she never called you town that i can remember. or if she did it was a passing mention, at best. i don't consider that buddying. you keep referencing on point where sakura said she agreed with something you wrote as buddying that somehow points to you being town. i call bullshit. though feel free to go back and show me other evidence of sakura buddying you (i can't really do the opposite because i can't show you something i'm pretty sure doesn't exist).
i'm not particularly interested in getting into a debate with you about the so-called "lie". i was just telling you what i saw in your push about that "lie". the reason i call it mechanical is you're acting like elusive was a scumsmurf out to get you because she "lied" about something, but the way you were doing this felt like a robotic "lynch all liars" scenario rather than considering possible misunderstandings, misinterpretations, etc. the constant accusations of "dodging" etc didn't make sense, either. your entire case on elusive was essentially "she lied about something that could be fact-checked and i think she's scum for this". meh.
i'm calling your push on antihero simplistic because it was. there was no depth to it, it's essentially an accusation that scum are not going to read their buddy's posts (i don't think this is true), and sakura didn't read anti's post therefore he's scum (even if the first point was true, there's nothing to suggest scum read every town player's post).
In post 2241, Thor665 wrote:Meaningless unless you're arguing there's only one scum faction
i am, actually. i think it's a simple SK+scum+town setup. i'm also 99% sure noddy isn't SK
i suppose it could be multi-scum, but until i see evidence of such, i'm not going to care about it.
In post 2241, Thor665 wrote:I don't understand what further evidence I need of them being scumballs than voting a wagon I find it scummy to be voting.
i was more asking which players you were specifically referring to. are all three of them scum?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2242, Thor665 wrote:Yeah...that's called an obvious scum driven wagon
who is the scum driving your wagon?
can i get a picture of what your current reads are?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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9 hoursspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2241, Thor665 wrote:If there were I would have already covered them up.
Any differences that exist I, by definition, must be unaware of.
Apparently it's "being mechanical" ?
btw, i don't like using the word mechanical, but i'm hard-pressed to find a better word to describe play that reads like someone looking at actions and describing them almost objectively as "scummy" or "town" without considering alternative explanations or underlying motivations or anything like that
i've described it as superficial and hollow and other terms before, but whatever. they all mean the same thing, at least insofar as i'm using them
i don't see a genuine desire to find scum in your approach to the game, so much as an agenda you're pushingspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2241, Thor665 wrote:Meaningless unless you're arguing there's only one scum faction.
Empty and not pro-town but assuredly pro-survival.
btw, on this, unless every time you've mentioned sakura "buddying" you as a reason to think you're town you've been doing it facetiously, there's a certain dissonance in this statement.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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the first line, not the secondspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i may or may not be on before deadline (3am now)
reminder about deadline in big, bold letters
DEADLINE: (expired on 2015-04-04 19:15:00)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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you make me a sad pandaspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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one thing that's currently bothering me. i could potentially see noddy scum IF it's multiscum and he's not-sakura-scum, but even then i think i prefer a thor lynch
anyway, nightspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i have some thoughts on the game i'll probably get to later
i think these are town...
gork, copper, pisskop, varsoon
antihero, fuzzy, seohyun
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what exactly do you think this setup is?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i mean what i said
possibilities i'm considering at the moment:
15:3:3 - i believe this could be the case here and i'll get around to why in a bit
16:4:1 - also a possibility
15:5:1 - probably unlikely unless there's a lot of town power (and if that's the case, i'm not so sure this would have passed balance/normalcy review by NRG)
i don't really understand why you said thor is clearedspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2285, Varsoon wrote:Oh, I was assuming there was just a reaaaally big scumteam instead of multiball.
/shrugs?
the formerfish kill was not a town kill (a town vig would have been all over you yesterday calling you a SK)
it was either SK or other scumspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i suppose pulling a feu et vol is also possible? going to leave that one aside and assume it didn't happen for nowspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 2289, Gorkington wrote:Stats are disagreeing with you here.
a lot of the reason i think it could be 15:3:3 has to do with the doubt i expressed in my last post of yesterday (i was wrong about the interactions, but i started thinking noddy was part of a different scum faction to sakura)
i think noddy was accidentally hinting at being part of a 3-man team in some areas. notably only ever having three scum reads and also stuff like
In post 796, notscience wrote:one scum down two to go
which i initially paid no heed to (figured it was awkward phrasing meant to be something like "i've found one scum now i'm looking for the second") but i'm not so sure anymore
towards the end of the day he wrote something similar ("scum one down scum two to go" followed by saying scum was in 2 people - otolia/sakura)
it would also explain the single kill last night (even though i can think of other explanations for this, which include thor being JKed among other things)
i may or may not be over-analysing things here
would you consider beating the ever-living smurf out of thor tonight?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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i'll probably just work off town-read POE and wait until we get another scum flip or multiple night kills before thinking about it any further (though it kind of is important to think about since it changes the dynamics of the game entirely but meh)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh