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oh ok
boon claimed mainly doc, but possibility of other PRs day 1
so pisskop had reason to roleblock boon, and tso had reason to kill boon
so piss died because he also visited boon?? i think
wow this solves things a lot more nicely
also this role is pretty far removed from normal role interactions so ugh tso got by only on the double kill therelink in bio-
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which means that it had to have been ns who doc'd viking against the mafia kill n1, which is further backed up by:
In post 1889, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 1886, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You're not supposed to be informed when you're saved...that means you're lying.
Is that the standard here?
In post 1890, Nobody Special wrote:Pretty much, yeah.
In post 1891, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Not seeing a vote, NS.
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In post 6309, ika wrote:In post 6234, Marquis wrote:ika can you describe what tso's role specifically did? differences from normal sk?
I can. But the real question of "will I" is no.
Mass murder though is very much a real role.
This is a Normal game, though.
All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs.Role names should be standard, or non-flavored if original.
Flavor should have no bearing on the game -it should be possible for a player to read only the role reveals posted with the death scene and gain all information needed to play. This information should be formatted to stand out from the flavor.
The restrictions on flavor also apply in this case. Flipping a player as "Mass Murderer" would also interpreted as a non-standard role name flip for a role that could be described using existing modifiers. Part of a Normal game is being able to know what a role does just based off of its flip and its name.
There is precedence to this in cases such as the introduction of the Babysitter role in an otherwise-Normal game by N himself.link in bio-
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:/
I would never have known that nor even known where to look. I was still thinking I'd been proved wrong on the bulletproof count.
Still want a full official role explanation.
PEDIT Forgot about viking being roleblocked. But then who did NS protect if not for viking - did he claim it? I don't see a Non-Consecutive Doctor not protecting the claimed Cop while not knowing another Doctor existed in the setup.link in bio-
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@ika please look at 6318? ty
Mass Murderer
That is all I'm giving. You can look at options to see what could and could not exist.Last edited by ika on Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:35 am, edited 1 time in total.link in bio-
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In post 6346, Green Crayons wrote:In post 6345, Green Crayons wrote:I don't know why two scum would neighborhood me.
Clarification: I don't know why a scum-neighborizer would neighborize a town who is already in a separate neighborhood with a different scum.
this is a good point.
my pool for today is {shinobi, dragon}. i tried to remember why I've been townreading dragon as of late and all i could think of was that for some reason i was trusting a "conftown" tso's townread on him (despite his "scumread" on me).
i actually think one mafia left is the most accurate option though and i'm heavily leaning shinobi for that.
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In post 6351, Shinobi wrote:Are you going to elaborate on your kitz read or no?
considering I'm driving in the rain and really shouldn't be posting this or the last post, laterlink in bio-
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gc - conftown basically
cheet - genuine, now-involved town
dragon - position on ozgin lynch, actually rereading some recent things more like stubborn newbtown than newbscum
kitz - unguarded w/ bad logic in a town way - scum, even newbscum, i would be hard-pressed to say could be presenting themselves to the group in the way she has as of late. as paranoid as i have been of her faking newbtown the beginning of this day, i really don't see her recent posts as scum acting at all.
gm - genuine town neighborizer imo
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shinobi - ???, but rereading the kitz push it feels... wrong. like not just wrong readwise, but like "wow shinobi that feels like an opportunistic angle to push on kitz"link in bio-
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your wall looks good but i'm not scum
go look at me in DoA again if you want
also i don't bus as scum especially since i was about to be lynched. i'm a team player, switching to aero there and how i did would just be a path to a loss/significantly more mislynches needed to win
and sorry for lurking! not really feeling this game right now
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In post 6387, Cheetory6 wrote:What bothers me about this is that it implicitly should also cause Marquis to point the finger at Ozgin/House as well as FA, but he doesn't include that in his analysis which makes me feel like he was selectively focusing on FA rather than legitimately trying to sort through things.
well yeah
it was a case on fa
i quoted the things that mentioned fa and only commented on fa even if other mentions were quoted with itlink in bio-
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In post 6393, Cheetory6 wrote:Did you and Aero even interact at all that game?
he literally told me he was my "partner" in his first post
i picked up on it right away and proceeded to defend him for bullshit reasons even when his slot seemed indefensible because him getting lynched day 1 would haved sucked so much; that's essentially like a 1-shot bp sk losing their vest on DAY 1, not even night 1.
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In post 6389, Cheetory6 wrote:There's also all of the bullshit he's been spouting today, flipping me from scum to town the moment I start getting engaged again.
His fucking weird hedgey read on Kitz.
also I hate being one of those players that says "that doesn't apply to me as scum"
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it doesn't apply to me as scum :/ as town, i'm constantly going back on forth on my reads whether i want to be or not. i'm never sure, mostly because i don't have that much confidence in my towngame as opposed to my scumgame. in fact if it weren't for how lately i'm pretty sure i have a significantly better grip on what your towngame's like, i'd be surprised that i haven't flipped back and thought you were scum for attacking me again like this. but i've seen you as town and i'm confident enough that you're both town here and worth trying to change your read on me.link in bio-
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what
i vaguely remember townreading him sometime earlier, don't remember why
then started scumreading him when it got to that "i keep forgetting he's in the game" point, combined with knowing some of cheet's town/probtown meta involved him being active and engaged
his early explanations didn't do much to sway me
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In post 6402, Cheetory6 wrote:Ok.. but since when do you have any experience with my scumgame? How can you say with this level of confidence that I'm town and you're not townreading me for null things? That doesn't make any sense to me -.-
i don't!
i'm trusting that with with 1-2 scum left, your current engagement and genuine-sounding posts regardless of meta come from town!
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the case was that he wasn't town
you still seem quite hung up over my very initial idea of you two "driving a scumteam" together. i don't really remember even suggesting that kind of alliance past beginning of day 5.
i'm hoping it stuck in your mind because you actually are scum, but just didn't want to be painted together with tso if he was sklink in bio-
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gc is town due to neighbor thing...
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ika, did scum have daytalk?
eh
cheet and kitz i have as strongly town due to genuineness and tone and just... i have a really hard time thinking some of their posts yesterday came from lone scum. kitz trying to figure the game out and whole triumphant attitude about it yesterday isn't scum either.
that leaves shinobi as poe. my laziness is the biggest crutch in the lynching-shinobi thing. maybe i'll build a case and try to figure it out more after finals. idk. right now it's mostly just poe + seeing the same thing in him that i did in tso wrt being upset at the lack of valid!case rather than being accused as scum. i know he wants something he can try to argue against but i'm not really in the position (rl+game) to give it to him atmlink in bio-
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kitz town because genuine in a way that's hard AND not surface-beneficial to fake as scum
you're town bc this is your town game and genuine disinterest then interest in lynching me which prob wouldn't happen as scum
gc town because totally unnecessary ozgin shenanigans and neighbor spec
that leaves shinobi through PoE and i'm still seeing the same mad-at-lack-of-case-thing in him a tso
also, believe me, if i were scum, i'd still have a lasting enthusiasm for this shitfest-town of a game
i'm not scum but i won't cry if i get to leave early
i'd just rather let us all leave still in one whole rather than leave on my own and have to watch the explosion from behind the glass knowing i could have stopped it
so maybe i'll bring up scum interactions later
unlikely though
just kind of hoping you guys trust me and finally vote shin instead of letting us get caught between two town wagons by deadline again
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In post 6608, Shinobi wrote:"Mad at lack of a case thing" is something that happens to players that play both alignments.
Would you accept the fact that someone was voting you and wouldn't explain why as either alignment? Like really.
you were there and you know the full extent of what i mean by that when i held it against tso
granted your response is a bit better because when i attacked him with "your posts obviously show you don't even have a townread on yourself" his response was "no they don't"
but it's not just "mad at lack of a case", it's that and the same as tso in that for the past few game days i haven't gotten a single sense of you playing this game like you know you're town in spite of the suspicion or that you have a legitimate town mindset rather than just saying things that feel logical and don't raise too many eyebrowslink in bio-
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In post 6274, Kitz wrote:About the visit thingie that I asked a million times.
Spoiler:
Am I really the only one who's able to think outside the box here?
Anyways, soon off to the doctor so I won't be around for a bit.
In post 6282, Kitz wrote:In post 6281, goodmorning wrote:OH LOOK A SCUMCLAIM
How is that a scum claim? I think you're just tunneling me at this point.
If this was a scum claim, I'd be all like "Hey fucks, I'm the actual serial killer".
In post 6281, goodmorning wrote:I don't disagree, but I think there's more evidence for Kitz.In post 6281, goodmorning wrote:Nobody's said anything about anyone's meta.
How about, shut up? Your tunneling is rather blatant and annoying now, with excuses and tunnel-slips everywhere.
If you want to get me, be more constructive and stop contradicting yourself. Here's the 2 most recent examples on meta on House.
In post 6245, goodmorning wrote:I should probably see if House claimed Scum with anyone other than Kitz.
Meta 1. This is Your piece of the meta. Otherwise, you wouldn't see it as a meta thing, it's a House related thing.
In post 6254, dragonspawn wrote:house busses his scum buddies like crazy when he is scum. I can see his sarcastic comments being truthful
Meta 2.
"if you want to get me" = also probtown
In post 6321, Kitz wrote:Here's one piece of information I know about mass murderers.
The normal variation kills whoever rests at a location, so everyone who visits that target is at a location and if target has targeted another they have moved to a different location.
Killing more than one puts them to a cooldown unable to act for a while.
If that's the one, it leaves the question : Why did all these get attacked?
1. Boon visited Viking.
2. Piss roleblocked Viking.
3. Viking couldn't move due to roleblock.
= Boon, Viking and Piss got attacked, healing Viking.
That's 3 attacks with two kills, which should trigger the MM's cooldown.
In post 6322, Kitz wrote:I fucking solved N1.
more likely town gloating over this
scum kind of knew what happened
In post 6328, Kitz wrote:In post 6326, dragonspawn wrote:In post 6322, Kitz wrote:I fucking solved N1.
which increases your odds of being scum since they already knew the night actions.
Stop this antagonizing.
Viking claimed roleblocked and healed.
Piss died a roleblocker.
Boon died a doctor.
Anyone can see it.
In post 6334, Kitz wrote:Killed :
N1
- Pisskop - Maifa Non-consecutive Roleblocker killed night 1
- Boonskiies - Town Non-consecutive Doctor killed night 1
- Viking (attacked & healed)
= All by T S O. Where's the mafia kill? It went on T S O?
= All visited Viking and Viking couldn't move.
N2
-Ellie - Town deputy turned cop killed night 2
= Mafia. Can visit.
Mathblade - Town vengeful killed night 3
= Mafia? Or MM? Cannot visit.
Nobody Special town Non-consecutive Doctor killed night 4
= Mafia if heal N2 and N4 (Visit N4), or add in possible MM if N1, N3. (No visit N4)
T S O - Mass Murder Killed night 6
= Mafia.
Lynched :
- Klingoncelt town citizen lynched day 1
- vikingfan - Town Cop lynched day 2
- Albert B. Rampage - Town Tracker lynched Day 3.
- FA_Q2 - town citizen lynched day 4
- Aeronaut - Mafia Goon lynched day 5
- Ozgin - Mafia goon/Neighbor - lynched day 6
In post 6333, Shinobi wrote:Honestly I'm probably going to vote Kitz. How long I take to vote is up to you guys.
Then why did I defend T S O so much if I'm mafia as opposed to getting him lynched? :roll:
bad town logic
much harder for scum to type out an obviously bad argument and let themselves post it
you can try to argue kitz is just bad at mafia but i'm not going to listen to that shit
In post 6336, Kitz wrote:In post 6335, Kitz wrote:If GM is a mafia neighbourizer, he could be the one to attack, meaning he visited.
Ozgin were a Neighbour to a town. What's the fucking point if two mafia were neighbours together? GC cleared.
GM as a Neighbourizer who hasn't done much afterwards... And coincidentally T S O died.
Neighbours are capable of manipulating and influencing the town.
I really believe T S O, because he did not have anything to loose in his statement about GM being attacked.
Scum would've been attacked if they attacked the same target as the MM. (post night 1).
VOTE: goodmorning
In post 6337, Kitz wrote:Yeah, I'm certain it's GM now because of that logic actually makes a lot of sense.
If one more scum flips and this game continues, I'm at a complete blank at who the next one could be.
In post 6365, Kitz wrote:So let me get this straight, everyone wants to lynch me and doesn't even understand or wish to even see the logic.
FUCKIT
If this is how it is going to be, then I cannot convince otherwise and scum has just won anyway. Logic is god damn banned.
Citizen/VT, non-neighbourized, no clues.
VOTE: Kitz
/lurk
town method of claim - "no clues" suggests she instinctively approached this game from however she knew it as a vt on other sites
In post 6367, Kitz wrote:In post 6366, dragonspawn wrote:You've not been using anything that remotely resembles logic lately. And that outburst we completely emotional, much lime ozgins before we lynched him
Nah, I just don't want to play if everyone refuses actual logic.
Everyone refuse to look into that I initiated the lynch towards Oz, and other things.
For example, you don't like the following logic.
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T S O is a Mass Murderer. Mass Murderer kills those in a location. Those who don't target, are in their own location. T S O attacked GM, GM is alive. Therefor, GM could be a scum who attacked someone. It resulting in moving to a different location and avoid the attack. GM claimed not targeting anyone either.
scum very likely wouldnt have bussed there especially not in her position
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if u want me to be rude we could go with "u wouldnt be this sensible as town"
or we could just all remember that i was your scumpartner for a significant amount of time and this strongly reminds me of your scumgame in suburbia anyway
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In post 6620, Shinobi wrote:playing too badly to be scum
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for last scum it's between her and you
and her posts are more driven and much more genuine than yours
yours are all focused on as i was actually kind of serious about, cold logic - what i know of your towngame from rick santorum mafia isn't as cold/emotionless as this has been either especially when faced with people scumreading you - when that happened there, you didn't exactly go ballistic, no, but you showed sides of amusement and "holy shit are u serious" and etc etc
your posts here could be made by any robot given the task of spewing out beeps and boops as mafia!code dictates
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reskimming suburban iso and yeah that's what i'm kinda seeing nowwwwwwwwwwwww
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ok so i don't know who's scum anymore.
if i vote kitz now and shin-boi turns out to actually be scum in the end and the dead thread yells at me do i still get points for getting it right like half the time?
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