NY 184: a help (done)
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By feelings of inadequacy I mean that he came into the game with the preconception of having done something wrong or having something to apologize for.
JFSF may have something to apologize for besides being scum however.
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1. Rvs vote usually comes with some random reason so you fail here
2. I brought it up cause sup is my calling card and I realized I forgot.
3. I didn't apologize for not having taken a shower, it was a reference to feeling dirty and now I need one.
You fail
vote: RC
Serious vote
He's bringing up the mistakes he's making (ie feeling dirty, failing to post with his "calling card") because he feels pressured to maintain his normal behaviour and feels the need to apologize for falling short.
I noted that he has a negative history with many players so may have had one in the game but I don't think that theory matches him getting defensive over it with regards to me.
It'd be something more like "yeah I did stupid shit but don't call me out bla bla bla".
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For those playing at home you have RC pretending he doesn't know how rvs works yet I can provide links to him rvs voting with reasons which proves the opposite and falsely accusing me of being apologetic when he can't even cite examples of it. And now he's completely gone off the rails by pulling shit out of his ass to justify his horrible vote.
How does RVS work again?
Also, where else would I pull the shit from?
Not even close, keep reaching
Pretty sure I'm spot on.
For those playing at home you have RC pretending he doesn't know how rvs works yet I can provide links to him rvs voting with reasons which proves the opposite and falsely accusing me of being apologetic when he can't even cite examples of it. And now he's completely gone off the rails by pulling shit out of his ass to justify his horrible vote.
Was there someone in your QT who said to be scared of me and called for another night kill on me?
I could see Pisskop, Oversoul, or Elyse saying something like that in scum chat.
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If this were even remotely true, I wouldn't have rvs'd cause anyone who knows me knows I almost never rvs regardless of alignment.
Fail harder big boy
Wait so you just acknowledged my case in your opener being way off kilter as correct and are still using me "grasping at straws" as justification for a scumread?
Seems pretty inconsistent to me. But hey, it'sjust a theory.
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Just to clarify this all for others.
1. Rvs works by voting people for a random reason, which I did yet you try to indicate that's somehow scummy since you know it's not, you are faking ignorance. See how that works?
It's not scummy on its own, but it's scummy in the context of a larger framework. Especially considering point 5; it's outside of the normal opening range for him.
IE he's not scummy for doing a fairly typical RVS, it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.
5. I acknowledged that one part of your statement as being completely false, which just continues to prove my case against you is pretty good. Its nice to catch scum on page 1. I'm sure your buddies hate you now
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To the extent that I'm able, it's pretty clear that someone said something in whatever scumchat pregame so Jake was already on edge about me, then similarly to BBT in 1662 went into some narcissistic rage because he was pissed that I caught him so fast and started to project his own insecurities regarding his scumgame onto me.
Hence,
You thought you found an easy target, but I'm not one.
Similarly to BBT in 1662 (I'm using the exact same set of tells that netted me him pages into the game) his ego was threatened by me catching him immediately and it's just causing him to double down on bad play.
Note that he's not arguing that he's not scum. Nowhere is that happening.
It's all "I'm not an easy target" and withdrawing from the game.
Also, it's clearly very personal for him. Note the
I expected better scum play from you RC, I'm disappointed
Even though that's a tactical statement, it becomes the personal version as opposed to saying I'm bad in general because he's taken my attack on his scumgame by finding him this early seriously.
EPM. Do I have your vote?-
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MattP's points are very solid.
Further, scum calling 1v1s involving their scumpartners TvT is very common. And look at JFSF's response.
1. I am
2. Yes I actually did.
It's just... off. I feel like Bulge could have been coaching his partner there.
And if we are both town, calling it TvT now could be a grab for towncred.
I don't like it, and I really don't like how it reflects on JFSF either.
VOTE: The Bulge-
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It's not scummy on its own, but it's scummy in the context of a larger framework. Especially considering point 5; it's outside of the normal opening range for him.
IE he's not scummy for doing a fairly typical RVS, it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.-
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Part of my switch to Bulge was me wanting to think that scum!JFSF wouldn't be doubling down on this after he got voted by Elyse and Oversoul and would know better than to keep going based on a vote from Flubbernugget, who is a useless sack regardless of alignment.
But then I remember that in the game I modded, essentially the exact same thing happened WRT JFSF and Slandaar, who was town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34150
Slandaar called him out early, got some pressure, JFSF doubled down on ignoring the arguments against him and trying to push useless points against Slandaar, and nothing productive ever came out of it except Slandaar trying to get me to kick him for his toxicity.
I'm not letting that happen this game.
VOTE: JFSF
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Bulge. If not on page 1, then when?
At what point does scummy behaviour become something that you can point to and say "that person is scum!"
I have scummy shit from Jake on page 1. His reaction is similar to what I've seen from Scum!Jake in the past. Why should I let that go and go do something else?
Further, you placed a random vote on someone who hadn't posted while you complained about the wagons. That's asking the game to go to RVS, forgetting what's happened. Essentially, to lose progression and content.
How the hell does that garbage help town in any way?-
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that was a great game and a classic example of me emulating my town play. Nice touch trying to use that against me here, you get an A for effort but i'mnot scum and you have already confirmed you are.
You know why I know you're scum?
Because even as you make all these posts decrying me as scum, you're still addressing me.
I see all these yous, direct references to me, these "great reference bros".
He's not really talking to anyone but me here. What he's really trying to do is convince me that he's town.
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In post 231, Oversoul wrote:RC I don't know why you're putting so much stock into Likeabauss's reads/opinions in that game. Back when that happened, I thought for sure that Rank and Bauss had been cheating. I am still not certain that Bauss *actually* did catch the team like the way he did.
I like the early aggression on Jake, I like early wagons, but I'm not sure that your "case" is as strong as you believe it is. There is a lot of psychology involved in that case. Even today psychologists bicker about the validity of theories/individual action, so I'm not exactly sold on your reasoning.
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Jake,
Pisskop did give information and there is scumhunting in his posts. I don't see how you can't see that?
Such cases are the only cases I've ever used.
Votecount analysis, the book of tells, etc. It's all frankly shit. Sometimes I wonder if some of the people here might as well not roll a die to determine who they go after.
If you want to gain anything from this game, make calls consistently, it's all psychology.-
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