NY 184: a help (done)

[Jake from State Farm]

matt brings up a good point about the bulge., except for the fact that bulge doesn't have inside knowledge that rc is town, cause rc isn't town. they may be scum together but rc is scum.

[The Bulge]

Bulge complained about two pages of activity, patronized two players for having a single scum read, then claimed two town reads (on the two players he patronized) based on the two pages of content that happened that he complained of. Why is he unhappy about content that gave him TWO townreads, why is he complaining about two pages of content, why can a player not have a scumread pg 2 but he can have TWO townreads

Lel

Tbh I didn't think of it from an "info" perspective. My immediate reaction when reading was "wtf is going on in their heads" and idk it made me mad. That's it.

[RadiantCowbells]

MattP's points are very solid.

Further, scum calling 1v1s involving their scumpartners TvT is very common. And look at JFSF's response.

1. I am
2. Yes I actually did.

It's just... off. I feel like Bulge could have been coaching his partner there.

And if we are both town, calling it TvT now could be a grab for towncred.

I don't like it, and I really don't like how it reflects on JFSF either.

VOTE: The Bulge

[RadiantCowbells]

matt brings up a good point about the bulge., except for the fact that bulge doesn't have inside knowledge that rc is town, cause rc isn't town. they may be scum together but rc is scum.

ie, you might be right that my partner is scum but other scummier player is higher priority.

[pisskop]

I look forward to Matt's continued dissection of the game, and not just an easy vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do you call Bulge an easy vote?

Compare it to Elyse and Oversoul jumping onto a wagon that they were invited on.

How is it an easy vote to go into an entirely new direction?

[RadiantCowbells]

@Pisskop, what do you mean and how do you think that reflects on Matt's alignment?

[Jake from State Farm]

"wtf is going on in their heads"

you wondered what was in my head?

Tell me why RC would say this

Unnecessarily giving reasons for an RVS vote

when in this game (where he was town mind you)he gave a reason for his RVS vote.?

OR why would he accuse me of being apologetic but when called on it was unable to provide examples of me apologizing?

yeah you would know what was in my head if you actually read the thread.

bottom line is RC is scum moar votes plox

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not scummy on its own, but it's scummy in the context of a larger framework. Especially considering point 5; it's outside of the normal opening range for him.

IE he's not scummy for doing a fairly typical RVS, it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.

[The Bulge]

MattP's points are very solid.

Really? If you read both my post and his, it's a blatant misrep.

Bulge complained about two pages of activity,

I already explained that I wasn't thinking along these lines, but yea, I guess it is good for info.

patronized two players for having a single scum read,

That's not what I was upset about. Quit misrepping me. I was upset because of the whole "caught scum page 1 gg" attitude. It's arrogant and unhelpful to town. My post made that quite clear. I'm actually curious what made you think I was patronizing them for having early scumreads?

[Jake from State Farm]

It's not scummy on its own, but it's scummy in the context of a larger framework. Especially considering point 5; it's outside of the normal opening range for him.

IE he's not scummy for doing a fairly typical RVS, it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.

some more big boy.

[MattP]

Sentnecessary 1 3 and 4 of your 4 sentence paragraph directed at jake and rc are "patronizing"

[RadiantCowbells]

Part of my switch to Bulge was me wanting to think that scum!JFSF wouldn't be doubling down on this after he got voted by Elyse and Oversoul and would know better than to keep going based on a vote from Flubbernugget, who is a useless sack regardless of alignment.

But then I remember that in the game I modded, essentially the exact same thing happened WRT JFSF and Slandaar, who was town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34150

Slandaar called him out early, got some pressure, JFSF doubled down on ignoring the arguments against him and trying to push useless points against Slandaar, and nothing productive ever came out of it except Slandaar trying to get me to kick him for his toxicity.

I'm not letting that happen this game.

VOTE: JFSF

This is happening today. I've lost way too many games second guessing my reads.

[MattP]

It's really hard to post on phone

I'm really suffering here

[Jake from State Farm]

it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.

1. this only works if this is outside the norm of their normal town play, but that doesn't apply here because it's outside the norm of not only my town plat, but my scum play also so they cancel each other out and makes the fact that I RVS'd null and not alignment indicative at all. Saying anything other to the contrary just isn't true and if you were town you would concede that, but you don't which proves to me you aren't town.

2. Again you accuse me of being apologetic yet cant cite a single example of me being apologetic. Now you add in the feeling inadequate yet again can't find any examples of that because I am not apologetic about anything nor do I feel inadequate.


If anything I feel grateful. I was in a slump recently and I was having trouble finding the old jake from state farm and catching you on page 1 has actually helped me restore my confidence.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bulge. If not on page 1, then when?

At what point does scummy behaviour become something that you can point to and say "that person is scum!"

I have scummy shit from Jake on page 1. His reaction is similar to what I've seen from Scum!Jake in the past. Why should I let that go and go do something else?

Further, you placed a random vote on someone who hadn't posted while you complained about the wagons. That's asking the game to go to RVS, forgetting what's happened. Essentially, to lose progression and content.

How the hell does that garbage help town in any way?

[RadiantCowbells]

What else do I need to do to get Jake lynched today?

[Jake from State Farm]

But then I remember that in the game I modded, essentially the exact same thing happened WRT JFSF and Slandaar, who was town.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34150

that was a great game and a classic example of me emulating my town play. Nice touch trying to use that against me here, you get an A for effort but i'mnot scum and you have already confirmed you are.

[Jake from State Farm]

What else do I need to do to get Jake lynched today?

promise that you will let town lynch you tomorrow when I flip town so town can finally get 1 scum lynched and I will let you lynch me today.
Let's 1 vs 1 big boy. Will your scum team be ok with you doing that?

[The Bulge]

Bulge. If not on page 1, then when?

At what point does scummy behaviour become something that you can point to and say "that person is scum!"

I have scummy shit from Jake on page 1. His reaction is similar to what I've seen from Scum!Jake in the past. Why should I let that go and go do something else?

Further, you placed a random vote on someone who hadn't posted while you complained about the wagons. That's asking the game to go to RVS, forgetting what's happened. Essentially, to lose progression and content.

How the hell does that garbage help town in any way?

Jake's opening posts definitely did not warrant your reply. You were over-analyzing and reaching with absolutely zero content to look at. That's what I call too early.

This might be where are conflict lies. I haven't done solid research, but I was getting vague town!Jake feels from his posts.

The only non-RVS posting that had happened was between my two associative townreads. A random vote is better than voting a townread just for shits.

[RadiantCowbells]

that was a great game and a classic example of me emulating my town play. Nice touch trying to use that against me here, you get an A for effort but i'mnot scum and you have already confirmed you are.

You know why I know you're scum?

Because even as you make all these posts decrying me as scum, you're still addressing me.

I see all these yous, direct references to me, these "great reference bros".

He's not really talking to anyone but me here. What he's really trying to do is convince me that he's town.

After all, if he thought I was scum, why would he be trying to argue with me?

[Jake from State Farm]

so you aren't going to do a 1 v 1? chicken

[Jake from State Farm]

why would he be trying to argue with me?

not really arguing with you, rather pointing out all the flaws in your arguments aka defending myself from scum trying to mislynch me.

you have played this game before right?

[RadiantCowbells]

This hard ass persona won't convince me that you're town because I've seen it before from you.

1v1. Here and now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bulge, if you're town, you're going to see how powerful my scumreads are, starting in RVS or otherwise.