NY 184: a help (done)

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Sup all. First game back in foreva, so don't hate me.

The saddest part is that he's probably town.

Can you clarify who you mean by "he" in this? I might be just tired and misreading this, but please explain.

Why don't you want me getting any attention?

Jake your partner?

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Oh my god my head hurts. This is fucking ridiculous.

Even after glazing over the vast majority of the posts from JFSF and RC, I'm coming out feeling more town on Jake. I'm still not certain on RC, but I'm actually leaning more scum. I can't remember exactly who said it, and at this time I'm WAY too lazy to go hunt it down, but someone said something to the effect of "you guys aren't doing anything to further the game. We get that you think each other are scummy, but at this point it's anti-town to keep this yelling going." IIRC, RC's next post was sidestepping the argument with JFSF, and it felt kind of forced, which is why he pinged my scumdar. If anyone wants me to not be lazy and hunt this down, I will, but I'm lazy. I legitimately hate taking this stance because I don't want JFSF to jump up and down squealing going "SOMEONE BELIEVES ME" when in all honestly it was nothing that he said that brought me to this conclusion.

I'm not sure what the fuck Flubber is doing, but it did come off as scummy to me. He even had a post that was "I'm so lost." The only reason that stood out to me is because when I first started playing mafia F2F I would say that any time I was scum to prevent myself from having to actually give reads. That being said, I don't know what Flubber's experience is, and frankly I'm not sure that I care, but I just thought it was pretty interesting to note.

mattP rubs me wrong (OHAI MATT). He makes one "good" post and it feels like the rest of his posts have been "i'm gud guize" or commenting on JFSF distracting from the actual game, which in turn distracts from the actual game. So yeah. Not saying that he's scum, but ::feeeeeeelings::

p.much errbody else is just... I don't fucking know. Three rl days and this game is a perfect analogy for shit. So for the time being, my best bet is this.

Vote:RadiantCowbells

I'll actually go back and look into other people later, but these stood out to me for now. I did mostly read this with the mindset of "JFSFvRC is happening right now" so that was I guess what I was looking for, so I'll do a reread (probably tomorrow honestly) looking into other people.

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Also, who fucking cares if that picture was "homophobic"? I really don't think bob meant it to actually be homophobic, and I thought it was kinda funny, actually.

ALSO HAI KINETIC, HAI BRO

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You really think 347 is defensive

You should be more concerned at how calm I am right now because I've had a shit day and am slightly afraid that I haven't even contemplated killing someone yet

I don't think it's defensive, it's a tactical vote because I'm scum and I know you're town so that's my excuse for the vote.

Right?

Eh?

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Did Grimmjow really win a best town performance?

Owch. That was unnecessary.

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I mean, I have not been an asshole, but if that's how you want to be, then we can play that game too.

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I love how you're throwing so many people out there to be lynched. Almost like you're not really committing to things until you hear someone else perk up. And the one person you are voting, in that wall of shit that I'm not even going to bother reading, you have TWO FUCKING LINES from him that aren't connected in the slightest. What the fuck is that?

Can we kill it with fire, yet?

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This town is mentally impaired.

Just lynch me, I've had it with this game.

Then replace out and save us the issue of potentially lynching a townie that is just fucking retarded. If you have "had it with this game," then fucking replace out and don't play against your wincon.

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I'm voting my top scumread. I'm listing reads outside of that. I'm engaging in conversation. I'm playing to my wincon.

You, alternatively, are losing your fucking mind bitching and crying because no one's listening to you and you're voting yourself and giving up. That's the exact opposite of playing to you wincon.

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@pisskop: Thoughts on BRO?

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Looks like I have some catching up to do. I'll do a read through tonight.

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Holy fuck, I'm gone for like 2 days and what the fuck is this horseshit? Ima have to do a read through. I promise I'll do it tonight, but I'm stupid hungover right now so nope.

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So I'm only on page 24 (holy fuck I'm behind) but I'm just going to do this.

Vote: Flubbernugget

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::headdesk::

Nope.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

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Lostaway's town but there's enough VIs in this game that we can do with one less, particularly one that's voting me unrepentantly.

VOTE: Lostaway

Like. What. You are blatantly voting someone that you're calling town and giving it the reason of "too many VI's"? You claim to have solid scum reads but you flip to this? No. Nope. NOOOPE.

There's no reason for a flash wagon right now. Bob has stated that the deadline would be postponed until we have replacements. There's no reason for this horseshit. You're voting all over the place looking for something to stick.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Apologetic about two things already on the first page.

MattP's points are very solid.

Further, scum calling 1v1s involving their scumpartners TvT is very common. And look at JFSF's response.

1. I am
2. Yes I actually did.

It's just... off. I feel like Bulge could have been coaching his partner there.

And if we are both town, calling it TvT now could be a grab for towncred.

I don't like it, and I really don't like how it reflects on JFSF either.

VOTE: The Bulge

Part of my switch to Bulge was me wanting to think that scum!JFSF wouldn't be doubling down on this after he got voted by Elyse and Oversoul and would know better than to keep going based on a vote from Flubbernugget, who is a useless sack regardless of alignment.

But then I remember that in the game I modded, essentially the exact same thing happened WRT JFSF and Slandaar, who was town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34150

Slandaar called him out early, got some pressure, JFSF doubled down on ignoring the arguments against him and trying to push useless points against Slandaar, and nothing productive ever came out of it except Slandaar trying to get me to kick him for his toxicity.

I'm not letting that happen this game.

VOTE: JFSF

This is happening today. I've lost way too many games second guessing my reads.

Alright that's too much.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

If Jake is still scum he deserves this win.

Alright just lynch me D1.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Jake, Flubber, EPM, Lostaway, Grimm. I guarantee that all or nearly all of the scum are in that pile.

Then why the fuck would you draw attention to it like that?

VOTE: Oversoul

VOTE: Unvote

Too rushed.

I really don't like oversoul at all right now but if it's really an ongoing game issue then I can't get an alignment tell from it.

Whatevs scum are going to have a field day with this Oversoul situation and I'm not going to be a part of it today.

VOTE: EPM

Alright, so as I suspected, this whole enterprise is just Oversoul weaseling himself to be able to justify lynching me and clearing Jake.

VOTE: Oversoul

Alright.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Oh yeah I forgot that.

Sorry Matt but it's LCS big plays time.

VOTE: epm

Oversoul?

So you just admitted that you were reading the thread, but not posting while you lurked away pressure.

VOTE: The Bulge

Tbh it kinda baffles me that anyone could possibly have any sort of valid read on me.

ie, why are you voting me, you shouldn't be able to know I'm scum.

ie scum caught for the wrong reasons.

This is like my SC2M Mafia strategy where I basically claim jester and disrupt town so much nothing can get done.

You know why wagons aren't going up on anyone? Because scum are being hyper brazen and disrupting town's ability to communicate.

You know how we stop this? we fucking lynch scum. We lynch Jake we lynch EPM. Bulge can wait.

VOTE: JFSF

I'm fucking done this game is going to go to hell if you guys let this continue.

VOTE: MattP

No problem at all with that.

VOTE: JFSF

In fact.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Not a joke, hammer this.

My role is literally strictly less valuable than a Vanilla Townie.

Better than putting up a bunch of people to have to claim.

Lostaway's town but there's enough VIs in this game that we can do with one less, particularly one that's voting me unrepentantly.

VOTE: Lostaway

And just for quick reference:

JFSF: iiii
Buldge: ii
Flubber: ii
Selfvote: ii
OS: ii
EPM: ii
MattP: i
Lost: i

Like, seriously? You've targeted 8 out of the 14 players, including yourself (so we'll say 7 out of 13). Now you jump on Lost because she's a VI and what?

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WHAZZAP ANK!

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@Pisskop:

Care to give any explanation at all as to why you're on The Bulge?

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Vote:Lost

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There was drunken reasoning at some point in time last night. I don't actually remember what that was, but sure.

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Guize. We have 9 hours to get a lynch through.

At this point in time I really want RC dead, but trust my drunken gut on lost as well. Outside of that I don't really see me switching my vote elsewhere unless someone convinces me. But the last thing we need to happen is a no lynch. Sooooooo one of those two need role.

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Vote:Boonskiies

Care to give actual thoughts on the game now rather than coasting through since replacement and hammering with that half assed reason?

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I would really like to hear from VysePresident, who has been posting on the site, just not here, WRT what he said about if lost was scum at the end of the day yesterday.

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Well I guess that's not necessarily the {reasons} thing that I thought it was.

At any rate

EPM is good vote.

right after I voted EPM.

And dont say jake

OK. Ankamius.

EPM is just as obvscum as Jake.
Bulge would be a great lynch because he's somewhat scummy and I'd be happy to lynch him even if it hit town.
Elyse is probably scum as well.

After PK asks me who I'm scumreading.


So it strains suspension of disbelief for him to say that he "ignores the meatier posts I made" as an excuse for calling out my EPM vote even though he's at least twice addressed me while I was voting or discussing a scumread on EPM.

And the way he jumped right back off was really weird.

Could you show where he jumped right back off? I'm mostly lazy and don't want to go digging for this since you were the one to bring it up, but I'm not remembering this happening. Or are you talking about today?

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RC, I'm going to step outside of my usual method of dealing with players such as yourself and attempt this.

Your attitude is atrocious. You have been a condescending asshole all game.

Which is why no one bothers to take you seriously and for the most part ignores anything that you have to say.

I'm attempting to actually engage in discussion with you and all I get is sarcasm and condescension.

If you care to actually play the game and have anyone take you seriously or bother interacting with you, then please take what I'm saying as indication that you need to chill out.

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Braaaaah. What are reasons on flubber? I kiiiiinda agree on Bulge, but explain flubber a bit more.

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Are you fucking kidding me? 4 replacements in this game. FFS

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Vote: Flubber

Seems good.

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I still want words from Boons kites about that shit yesterday, so yeah. But the Flubber wagon seems soo good.

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Games like things transcend from being annoying to being lolzy

I tend to disagree with you here. I find these type of dickwaving games annoying, which is why I typically do not play in larger games.

That being said, let's go back to this:

Vote: Boonskiies

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MattP is probably town. I've had a slight town read on him all game, though it wavered since the start of today, however the comment of respectfully waiting for Boonskiies was pretty spot on. Given that and that he scumread OS day 1 makes me feel pretty confident in calling him town.

LOVE YOU MATTYPOO

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Still waiting for a town case on him too

Because someone needs to prove to you that I'm town? Thaaaaaaat's not how this works.

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HAI MATT

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Tidus, I have never played a forum game with you. Give me a reason to think you're town kthnx

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Yeah, I'm liking Tidus for town.

EPM has been feeling more scummy since Tidus replaced in. Might jump on that wagon.

Boonskiies still hasn't done jackall. Still liking this lynch.

@Boonskiies: do you have any thoughts on this game at all?

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Wtf just happened? Why did this passive half-assed lynch occur? So many people were tiptoeing around this and then suddenly bam? Wtf?