NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[Nosferatu]

ayy lmao game started

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: redff
My vote is serious now.

topkek

why

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: redff
My vote is serious now.

topkek

why

His entry seems somewhat aimless, like he's trying to do something without actually doing something.
What's so funny?

He's 6 posts in and you want him to on point with every one?

[Nosferatu]

rip *on point

[Nosferatu]

The whole redff train seems like total bs, he said the post seemed forced, and was told that it was a quote from a previous game, why would anyone kepp a vote after that?

[Nosferatu]

*keep
wow I'm on a typo train so far

[Nosferatu]

The whole redff train seems like total bs, he said the post seemed forced, and was told that it was a quote from a previous game, why would anyone kepp a vote after that?

Possibly.
Do you have a better vote?

You for starting the train for no reason.

[Nosferatu]

So you guys are just going to speedlynch and then look at wagon instead of just dropping it? Seems legit, no problems here.

[Nosferatu]

So you guys are just going to speedlynch and then look at wagon instead of just dropping it? Seems legit, no problems here.

You prefer 50+ pages of bullshit?

[Nosferatu]

rip I accidentally hit submit

[Nosferatu]

So you guys are just going to speedlynch and then look at wagon instead of just dropping it? Seems legit, no problems here.

You prefer 50+ pages of bullshit?

Not that, it initially seemed like looking for a mislynch to me, but now that I see what you're doing and know the reasoning behind it, I no longer have problems with it.

[Nosferatu]

more like as many problems with it, as I still feel like the lynchee was chosen somewhat arbitrarily

[Nosferatu]

The whole redff train seems like total bs, he said the post seemed forced, and was told that it was a quote from a previous game, why would anyone kepp a vote after that?

Possibly.
Do you have a better vote?

You for starting the train for no reason.

Except this isn't true. I gave you a reason.

You started the train for a profusely dumb reason, his unvote, when no reasonable person would keep up a vote after their main reason for voting was dispelled.

[Nosferatu]

The edge in these posts

[Nosferatu]

Townread on Salamence for pushing a quicklynch. I don't see scum making themselves so vulnerable to criticism like this.
Townlean on SilverWolf for post 130 because I feel similarly about Nosferatu.

VOTE: Nosferatu
Almost all of his posts are about how bad the wagon on redFF is but he isn't trying to make anything out of it. I especially dislike his response to Shinobi in
post 97 where he doesn't even offer an alternative to the wagon that he hates so much. He is unwilling to contribute a new perspective, so why discredit the wagon in the first place? Seems like an attempt to keep the game from moving forward.

I explicitly stated that my qualms with the wagon were soothed as I understood the purpose of the whole speedlynch business, I only kept criticizing it because people kept responding and asking me for more input and such.

[Nosferatu]

Also, if I was scum wouldn't I just happily jump on the wagon? I don't see why scum would even try to discredit a wagon at all, unless they were defending a fellow scumpal. I also don't like voting on D1, just makes me uncomfortable, so there's a reason why I haven't voted Shinobi yet.

[Nosferatu]

I apparently can't use that BBCode so I'll just remove it.

[Nosferatu]

k lol

[Nosferatu]

Where did I say Shinobi is scum? Also, I just don't feel strong about people in D1.

[Nosferatu]

Also, if I was scum wouldn't I just happily jump on the wagon? I don't see why scum would even try to discredit a wagon at all, unless they were defending a fellow scumpal. I also don't like voting on D1, just makes me uncomfortable,

so there's a reason why I haven't voted Shinobi yet.

You've already forgotten who you're pretending to scumread?

I was asked before that post why I didn't vote him.

[Nosferatu]

Why didn't you vote for Shinobi here?

^ Right here, I was asked why I didn't vote Shinobi. I never said that I was scumreading him.

[Nosferatu]

Huh, I suppose so. I apologize then.

[Nosferatu]

Why don't you lynch me or Red to test that theory of yours?

Shinobi is nulltown btw, Red has actually said some scummy things lately so, he's nullscum for me rn.

[Nosferatu]

great then, I guess you guys will lynch me tomorrow if he turns up scum then, nice talk.
VOTE: redfff

[Nosferatu]

I said very early on that I agreed with the premise of the lynch, you guys kept on asking me, and those are the quotes you're pulling from. 3-4 posts after I state my distaste with the wagon, I say that I have no problem. I guess some of you might've interpreted that as sarcasm, but it isn't. And what're you going to do if red flips town? (on the unlikely chance of that happening)

[Nosferatu]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7121472
Here, right after reading sala's post.

[Nosferatu]

fak, it should be post #99

[Nosferatu]

Anyway, I'm gonna switch my vote to VOTE: Nosferatu because there support of the red wagon is too flip floppy

wanna elaborate on "too flip floppy"?

[Nosferatu]

I said the whole reason why he was the one being lynched was stupid, then I realized that we were going to speedlynch and look at the wagon after the flip, or something along those lines, and I clearly stated that the reason was fine, and I had no problems, but you guys kept on asking questions.

[Nosferatu]

Ika, learn to spell better. Also, your claims against SolverWolf are pretty weak.

>learn to spell better
>SolverWolf
Top fucking kek

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: unvote

[Nosferatu]

rip

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: redfff
Fixed that

[Nosferatu]

then voting back on the wagon

I can't vote back on something I was never voting on to begin with

now unvoting for no reason

There isn't a reason to keep up the wagon. If we aren't going to speedlynch which is why I was even ok with the wagon, there isn't a reason to keep my vote. Now that we aren't close to getting a lynch and we have wagons everywhere, keeping up the red wagon when I don't even think he's that scummy would be stupid and would lead nowhere. I have no questions for him, and I feel no need to keep pressure on him either.

I'm sorta feeling scum SW, for bringing up the whole meta argument, and then getting pissed and defensive and claiming she can change her own meta when she's accused using meta as a central argument.

[Nosferatu]

great job not being pissed and defensive there.

[Nosferatu]

Is it really that hard to not get pissed about everything SW?

[Nosferatu]

topkek

[Nosferatu]

That rage seems a bit different from this one, this one involves more profanity and general sensitivity. More townish rage if you ask me.

[Nosferatu]

Also I'm against the SW lynch just so you don't have to deal with a replacement, often in games replacements scumhunt with a different perspective from the rest of us, and might reveal something we overlooked.

Though I''m sure it'll be another scumread on me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nosferatu]

wat

[Nosferatu]

I've always thought that sheeping was usually scum-indicative

[Nosferatu]

What's a singleball? I can't find it on the wiki.

[Nosferatu]

who said i was apathetic? and who said i wasnt seriously participating?

You can't even (bother to) spell all of the words in your sentences correctly.

[Nosferatu]

lol

[Nosferatu]

How does one vote for an imaginary player? Doesn't even seem like something anyone would do. You'd think that if a player you didn't know was being voted you'd look at the player list or something.

[Nosferatu]

@SW: tbh Anna is my main scum read, but I can't really go into depth, I'm limited to only using mobile for awhile so long posts with quotes are going to be impossible, but I should be able to use @ and post numbers to convey my point properly.

Looking over Anna's ISO, a lot of the things there seem illogical, like for example her voting SW because she thought she was "imaginary". I don't see why that would even happen. Besides the obvious, I can't really under her posts a lot if the time and that's why I'm not voting her now. I don't want to waste my vote on a VI who just confuses me when there could be bigger fish to fry.

Spiffeh is looking pretty town, I wanna say lapsa is town, but he's just really weird, Sala's reasons for wanting a speedlynch could be scum wanting to cover up possible D1 evidence, but it could also be just a person who doesn't want to look through tons of pages to scum hunt. I don't really know the gray wagon, but I'll look at that sometime, but his VT claim is really odd, but apparently that's just what he does. SW is my second town read but it's still not a complete one, her meta trigger incident kind of made me waver, wake also seems town to me.

I'm pretty much null reading anyone else, or I might have just forgotten to mention them.

[Nosferatu]

Wowie that was a long post

[Nosferatu]

Wowie I put under instead of understanding. I hope you can tell where

[Nosferatu]

Anna is my main scum read

u wanna vote her then?

u wanna read the entire paragraph?

[Nosferatu]

topkek

[Nosferatu]

I literally topkek'd lmao

[Nosferatu]

@TSO what is hedging? I can't find it on the wiki

[Nosferatu]

@Nosferatu - how much mafia experience do you have?

This is my first game on this site, so you won't find anything to use as a base for my meta.

I have played several games on the osu forums for Mafia under the name Ace Timing, I have two games as town and one recently finished as scum. I have played mafia irl on several occasions.

[Nosferatu]

@Nosferatu - how much mafia experience do you have?

This is my first game on this site, so you won't find anything to use as a base for my meta.

I wasn't asking for meta purposes.

In that case this is my fourth game of forum mafia

[Nosferatu]

>be SW
>mentions meta
>is told that they are matching their scum game
>flips the fuck out
>is told that they are being childish
>gets pissed
>is told that they are being a drama queen for flipping out often over meaningless things, and accurate description of a drama queen
>gets mad again later and thinks that they are being insulted
>complains about bitching when quarter of ISO is bitching over insignificant things
Wow

[Nosferatu]

In all seriousness, let's not get pissed over things like mafia guys.

[Nosferatu]

And what is the gray wagon even, like where was the beginning of it?

[Nosferatu]

lmao 36 pages aren't even bad

[Nosferatu]

wowie I said aren't instead of isn't

[Nosferatu]

Sigh

It's no fun if you just get pissed and roleclaim, but this one seems moderately interesting. The Penthouse obviously refers to the mafia, but is everyone even part of a neighborhood?

[Nosferatu]

@Wake: I can't see anything else it could refer to, I doubt there would be a neighborhood that couldn't be entered just for the hell of it. Although there is a possibility that it could just be a normal one, I don't see anything against my argument.

@Lapsa: I don't belong to one either

[Nosferatu]

Ok, sure maybe that neighborhood is just a way to balance SW's role, secondly I'm not the first person to mention the idea of something like that being the case. Your inordinate level of focus on me is creepy.

[Nosferatu]

^ Aimed at Quaroath

[Nosferatu]

Eh, whatever, I kind of think Quaroath is town, as with SW, and maybe that "inordinate focus" comment was exaggerated, looking back at it. So I apologize for making it seem like he's obsessed with me, if it comes out like that. It was more of like a focus on me by the entire town, but that might not necessarily be true.

I also shouldn't have jumped to conclusions on the Penthouse thing. I just wanna note that I'm not the first person to think that the neighborhood could be mafia PT.

@Wake I'm nullreading Creede, he seems like he's always ready to jump on a wagon, which is pretty sus imo.

[Nosferatu]

Eh, whatever, I kind of think Quaroath is town, as with SW, and maybe that "inordinate focus" comment was exaggerated, looking back at it. So I apologize for making it seem like he's obsessed with me, if it comes out like that. It was more of like a focus on me by the entire town, but that might not necessarily be true.

I also shouldn't have jumped to conclusions on the Penthouse thing. I just wanna note that I'm not the first person to think that the neighborhood could be mafia PT.

@Wake I'm nullreading Creede, he seems like he's always ready to jump on a wagon, which is pretty sus imo.

[Nosferatu]

rip posted twice

[Nosferatu]

Wat

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Ozgin

[Nosferatu]

Or maybe he researched after he admitted that he didn't know it, and changed his mind, cause those posts are like days apart. Like, bruh.

[Nosferatu]

I do know how to play the game, and I am not unfamiliar with how Scum can play.

It is odd, in my humble opinion, how during my pressing of TSO for answers regarding his behavior, Silverwolf comes in, does not ask me why I suspect him, but votes with TSO onto Grayfoxxxx, while seemingly 'not understanding' what it is I am seeing in TSO's behavior, trying to manipulate me with flattery and emotions onto a potentially convenient target. Knowing I will not be dissuaded, and not willing to be manipulated by TSO into voting for Grayfoxx in spite of what Grayfoxxxx was doing, I see TSO logging off for bed, Silverwolf asking me questions but not really asking me why I suspect TSO, Shinobi coming in about an Ozgin wagon, and Silverwolf nearly immediately saying that she, too, would love an Ozgin wagon.

Silverwolf does not answer my 1127. Shinobi shrugs off the idea of a Wake wagon, and votes Ozgin. Then Silverwolf immediately votes for Ozgin, and then does Grayfoxxxx. Nosferatu ignores my suggestion to engage, seemingly ignores that have happened, and proceeds to naked-vote Ozgin. Feels like Shinobi, like Silverwolf, is playing dumb about TSO's manipulative behavior, if 1137 is any indication.

How did you suggest to engage? Quoting and then typing "Deflection?" doesn't really mean anything, and quite frankly I have pretty much nearly no interest in the shitstorm occurring over there. I don't see scum in the active posters in the wagon, and I think its origins were stupid too, the scummiest person in that whole blob you call a wagon who is actually posting is Grayfox, and nothing will come out of that wagon. The other option was Ozgin, a wagon starting that I agree with. I don't see anything that is worth contributing to a wake wagon really.

[Nosferatu]

I do know how to play the game, and I am not unfamiliar with how Scum can play.

It is odd, in my humble opinion, how during my pressing of TSO for answers regarding his behavior, Silverwolf comes in, does not ask me why I suspect him, but votes with TSO onto Grayfoxxxx, while seemingly 'not understanding' what it is I am seeing in TSO's behavior, trying to manipulate me with flattery and emotions onto a potentially convenient target. Knowing I will not be dissuaded, and not willing to be manipulated by TSO into voting for Grayfoxx in spite of what Grayfoxxxx was doing, I see TSO logging off for bed, Silverwolf asking me questions but not really asking me why I suspect TSO, Shinobi coming in about an Ozgin wagon, and Silverwolf nearly immediately saying that she, too, would love an Ozgin wagon.

Silverwolf does not answer my 1127. Shinobi shrugs off the idea of a Wake wagon, and votes Ozgin. Then Silverwolf immediately votes for Ozgin, and then does Grayfoxxxx. Nosferatu ignores my suggestion to engage, seemingly ignores that have happened, and proceeds to naked-vote Ozgin. Feels like Shinobi, like Silverwolf, is playing dumb about TSO's manipulative behavior, if 1137 is any indication.

How did you suggest to engage? Quoting and then typing "Deflection?" doesn't really mean anything, and quite frankly I have pretty much nearly no interest in the shitstorm occurring over there. I don't see scum in the active posters in the wagon, and I think its origins were stupid too, the scummiest person in that whole blob you call a wagon who is actually posting is Grayfox, and nothing will come out of that wagon. The other option was Ozgin, a wagon starting that I agree with. I don't see anything that is worth contributing to a wake wagon really.

[Nosferatu]

rip double submit

[Nosferatu]

@Ozgin: I slightly disagree with your read on me, since you earlier voted me and said I was scummier than redFF (390). Otherwise I agree with most everything else.

UNVOTE: Ozgin
VOTE: Grayfoxxxx
since that wagon seems to going somewhere now, and gray has continued to sheep over and over again, I will now switch my vote over there, Ozgin seems town based on this

[Nosferatu]

Nos, no one is town based on a reads list, I have made that mistake before, if Ozgin is scum you are letting him manipulate you based on townreading you

I would change my vote even if he scum read me. His thoughts of me are irrelevant.

[Nosferatu]

he voted me in his third post yo

[Nosferatu]

Also, that readlist doesn't put him completely out of the clear, he's just moved down on the to-lynch list. So, if grayfox says something and everyone jumps off his wagon, and the ozgin wagon is still a thing, I'll just hop back on the ozgin one. Simple.

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: Ozgin
I guess I'll wait a bit before casting another vote.

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: Ozgin
I guess I'll wait a bit before casting another vote.

lmao I'm a fucking idiot, EDBWOP, should be UNVOTE: grayfoxxx lmao. But you should be able to realize that I fucked up if you can properly read english, but w/e.

[Nosferatu]

Would you feel comfortable claiming role Ozgin?

[Nosferatu]

Yes, the green colouring was in fact necessary to convey that you are town.

[Nosferatu]

Guess grayfox is the next best thing
VOTE: grayfoxxxx

[Nosferatu]

Annoyed at what?

[Nosferatu]

Sorry. Don't have much patience for human

, impatient idiocy. If you guys don't want to listen, and if you manage to fuck up Day 1, that'll be your luggage to deal with.

I don't want this Town to keep fucking up,

and I don't you guys to be competent

lol.

[Nosferatu]

bold should go to idiocy btw

[Nosferatu]

also, only two people have switched to gray, not really the entire town. It looks like a large portion is leaning towards anna actually.

[Nosferatu]

Frogger you are confusing the town with your votes

I don't see anything confusing.

[Nosferatu]

So many replacements o_o

[Nosferatu]

Wake - I am about to show you a magical power of mine. I am a psychic - I can tell you something about yourself that I should have no way of knowing.

You do not proofread your posts.

Well I could've told you that.

Again I caution her about TSO's

atgtempt

to manipulate me to strike at Gray[/b]

[Nosferatu]

@Wake didn't he just answer your question, which was why grayfox was a good lynch? I'm starting to see why they ignored you in the first place.

[Nosferatu]

Wake - I am about to show you a magical power of mine. I am a psychic - I can tell you something about yourself that I should have no way of knowing.

You do not proofread your posts.

Well I could've told you that.

Again I caution her about TSO's

atgtempt

to manipulate me to strike at Gray[/b]

So I take it you're going to continue not doing much but behaving like a snarky brat, without really taking any positions or actually hunting Scum.

If you're going to behave like a brat, and not contribute, then why are you even here? I don't see you taking any stances. You aren't taking risks.

sigh

I am taking a stance, I'm voting gray right now. Maybe if you weren't so obsessed with TSO, you'd have noticed. Grayfox is a good lynch for today and it should be evident that no one really wants to join a TSO wagon, as no one except you is still on TSO. Maybe he would be a good lynch for day 2 or 3, but not today. You are still pushing on this, and when an alternative wagon is given to you, you ignore it and keep trying to preach on the little "manipulative" things that TSO is posting.

And you have also ignored questions, under the guise of "you told me to fuck off so I don't want to talk to you without an apology". It's really hypocritical, in fact, when you called all of us idiots. And you just called me a snarky brat just now. You're being arrogant right now and it pisses me off when you get all shitty because no one wants to listen to your repetitive claims of TSO manipulating you.

I want to know why you don't want to vote grayfox, who is a better lynch at the moment. He's voted on anyone, simply because they were being wagoned at the time. He also claimed VT, so if he is in fact town as he claims, no power roles are lost. The probability of you convincing the entire town into voting TSO is very little as of today, and I doubt it will happen until at least day three. He was also really lurky early game and claimed after nothing at all.

So does it still look like I'm not taking a stance? Do I seem like a snarky brat? How'd you even come to the conclusion that I wasn't taking a stance? Since TSO is so obviously scummy to you, just wait, he'll be a lynch target tomorrow or the next day. By relentlessly pointing out the tiniest little thing about everything TSO says, you're just distracting from the main lynch targets of today and destroying the unity of the town. I'm not saying you should be sheeping the biggest wagon here, but it's a sign that you should drop it when you are literally the only one voting on TSO, and its been that way for a while.

It would be nice if you answered at least this. Nevermind an apology, which I can tell I won't be getting out of you.

@SW- I'm not jabbing at anyone else here, nor do I have recollection of doing so often.

[Nosferatu]

I'll also refrain from making filler comments to during an indepth discussions if it bothers you that much. Truth be told I have not read your earlier wall in its entirety, @Wake, so I will do that now, to understand why you're pushing so hard on TSO for seemingly nothing. I typed that up in a sort of rage, so it does not take your entire case on TSO into consideration, so I apologize in advance for that.

[Nosferatu]

@wake you say shinobi distracted from the discussion with an Ozgin vote, but it clearly states that he hadn't caught up yet. So why are you suspicious of shinobi?

[Nosferatu]

I'm going to laugh so hard if TSO dies in the night and turns out to be a pro-town PR.

[Nosferatu]

@Wake, so far a lot of observations in your wall just show that you lack a sense of humor, a good portion of TSO's posts in that interaction are jokes, and you seem to take them seriously. Your initial observation of Shinobi is not really accurate too.

[Nosferatu]

you also use the word cajole, but cajole implies the use of flattery, which I see none of.

[Nosferatu]

and the phrase "its rude to answer a question with a question" doesn't mean "I don't want to answer your questions at all" it means "answer mine first". This should be obvious.

[Nosferatu]

Only about half of the stuff in this wall is actually useful in a way, I don't see how you could conclude that SW and Shinobi are scum from this, and the most this does is say that the gray wagon is hazy in some areas.

[Nosferatu]

I was called a snarky brat off of this bullshit?

[Nosferatu]

@Wake insult me when you actually have quality walls that are accurate for the most part and aren't just conspiracy theories on the level of trump causing 9/11 by manipulating obama please o/

[Nosferatu]

Nice "attention" trigger you got there SW.

(as in when you seeking attention is mentioned you pop a gasket)

@Wake Your wall isn't all garbage, it'll be something to look at later, more so the shaky defense of the grayfox wagon by TSO.

[Nosferatu]

But I don't think that exchange makes Shinobi and SW scum still.

[Nosferatu]

@Ozgin: I slightly disagree with your read on me, since you earlier voted me and said I was scummier than redFF (390). Otherwise I agree with most everything else.

UNVOTE: Ozgin
VOTE: Grayfoxxxx
since that wagon seems to going somewhere now, and gray has continued to sheep over and over again, I will now switch my vote over there, Ozgin seems town based on this

UNVOTE: Ozgin
I guess I'll wait a bit before casting another vote.

???

Anyone else notice Nos being a Grammer nazi, but then he fucks this up? Just putting that out there, don't think it's alignment indicative at all.

It's a mistake, I thought I cleared that up awhile ago. Not a grammar issue either btw

[Nosferatu]

Oh, thread was closed while I was catching up. I guess I'll have something to look forward to.

[Nosferatu]

Wasn't even a good shit storm lol.

[Nosferatu]

@gray just sayin' if your wagon was weak, it wouldn't have this many votes.

[Nosferatu]

I also want to mention gray had a low post count before he was pushed, it should be obvious that he has to post more in response, which fixes the meta argument.

[Nosferatu]

@wake you haven't spoken about the problems I found in your conspiracy theory, wanna talk about it?

[Nosferatu]

Fuck off, you prick.

Lol had to get one last bitchy comment in.

Nice contradictory point there m8.

[Nosferatu]

we are cool though,

[Nosferatu]

Anyway, a lot of this could be avoided if we learn to distinguish sarcasm from seriousness, and since Wake lacks the ability to discern this over the internet (I don't think this is an insult, so don't take it as one please), I will now proceed to quote everything in TSO's ISO that is sarcastic or in jest.

[Nosferatu]

Sorry to my scumpartners, Shinobi and SilverWolf. We're in a lot of trouble if Wake can pursue that incredible deduction of his that we're scum together. Maybe you guys can win.

TSO and who ever else says I'm not giving reads for any of my voted is lying.

If you can quote these from your ISO, and it is not "sheep", I will abandon my scumread of you completely.

That I am focused on getting a lynch I want, rather than being bogged down by suspicion, should again speak volumes about my alignment,

but I am getting tired of pointing to reasons why I am town when they never seem to get through to you.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

HI EVERYONE

ESPECIALLY TSO

I AM READING NOW

!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake - I am about to show you a magical power of mine. I am a psychic - I can tell you something about yourself that I should have no way of knowing.

You do not proofread your posts.

Now, I'm a psychic, so I just know that to be true. But if someone was reading this game and they're not a psychic? Then they could still know. It wouldn't be difficult. All they would have to would be to look at the post where you saw that three people disagreed with you, and decided they were all scum, together, while you also preached that this game could be singleball or multiball and we shouldn't make assumptions.

I've completely ignored you since then because I haven't had access. But even if I had access, I would still be ignoring you, because you're way too stubborn to fucking listen once you decide something even when it's clearly wrong. You've decided that I attempted to "cajole" you into voting Gray, and because I used "cajole" instead of any other word, it was manipulation of the highest degree, and I must be scum!

Just please look at your current view of the gamestate. You are townreading GrayFoxxxx because no-one else is doing it, and more specifically because I am openly doing the opposite. You think I am scum because I was trying to "manipulate" you into voting Gray when I issued a broad appeal for Gray votes,

humorously,

and then talked to you because you were online and other people were not. Let me quote you on your mindset at that time:

Curious, and hyper-alert to manipulation

Does it really seem surprising that when you are "hyper-alert" for something, you find it? Does it? Because some of the evidence against Gray is pretty fucking good. I'm done arguing meta, I'll even cede the point though I don't feel like it, just to emphasise other aspects of my scumread. Namely, the way he votes

anyone

with a chance of being lynched. Blatantly. Red. Me. Wake. Ozgin. Anna. And never, not once, has there been half-legitimate justification for these votes. The only one I've pushed him on was my own, to which the answer was that he was sheeping SW, or some other rubbish. There hasn't even been that for the others. Every time he does it I sigh and complain and wonder how the fuck are you defending him when his opportunism and need to stay alive at all costs is so open and blatant.

I'm competent. Shinobi is competent. SilverWolf is competent. When you disagree with a competent player, and then another disagrees with you, and then another disagrees with you after that, your conclusion

should not be

that they are all scum. Seriously. You lose face
pretty fast when you come out with this rubbish.

I won't be talking to you again,

I'm too scared to try manipulating you

wasting my time isn't something I plan to do any time soon. It's really not too late to sit down, realise you are playing like a fucking idiot and vote Gray, but I have never seen you change your mind prompted by a personal intervention and I doubt I will now.

GrayFoxxxx is a magical wagon of justice, championed by the paladin of the people, TSO. Unfortunately, nefarious ne'er-do-wells have taken it upon themselves to avert the natural course of justice and hang a (probably) innocent man, Wake88! Submit

your

name to the cause to preserve our fragile kingdom from those who would seek to destroy by voting GrayFoxxxx now!

Voting Grey will buy you

oodles

of towncred. You'll get so much of it that it'll overflow onto the ground.

Posts included are either sarcastic or in jest, or contain such things, when put in a list like this, you should be able to recognize it.

[Nosferatu]

Again you are using Meta from a game where I posted 5 times, and quit.

Meta:

I want to preface this by saying that I am aware that both Gray and Wake will fixate on this and this alone. Speaking to everyone else: even without the inclusion of meta in this case, Gray's alignment is patently obvious. If you haven't read the two parts above, you really should.

I played on a scumteam with Gray briefly in a game that ended in January, the Masquerade (which I won!) Gray made 5 posts out of 1240, less than 0.5% of the total postcount, before replacing out. However, Gray did not come under any pressure that game, and did not once have to defend himself.

In this game, Gray made 56 out of 1240, which is significantly more. However, Gray has endured significant pressure this game. I can't count how many times I alone have called him scum, not including people like Ozgin who are also doing the same. Because he has had to defend himself more, his postcount is naturally higher. 38 out of his 56 posts are responding to pressure on him by me or Ozgin, or arguing that his meta doesn't make him scum. If you remove those, then his postcount would be 18 out of 1240.

It's higher than 5 out of 1240, but it's still incredibly low - less than 1.5% of the total postcount. It remains the postcount of a lurker. My argument is that Gray has not been able to lurk like he did as scum the last time because of the pressure on him forcing him to respond or be lynched.

please read.

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@Gray, its not the crutch of his argument. If you discard the meta portion, there's still enough for a lynch.

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@mod: VC pls.

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@wake you say shinobi distracted from the discussion with an Ozgin vote, but it clearly states that he hadn't caught up yet. So why are you suspicious of shinobi?

@Wake, so far a lot of observations in your wall just show that you lack a sense of humor, a good portion of TSO's posts in that interaction are jokes, and you seem to take them seriously. Your initial observation of Shinobi is not really accurate too.

you also use the word cajole, but cajole implies the use of flattery, which I see none of.

and the phrase "its rude to answer a question with a question" doesn't mean "I don't want to answer your questions at all" it means "answer mine first". This should be obvious.

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Earlier post is aimed at wake's 1396

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lol Wake just commented on stubbornness, oh the irony.

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I think Wake is implying that Gray fakeclaimed to hide being doctor or cop, which is pretty brilliant, if it were true, and I quite honestly don't find Gray capable of thinking something up like that.

(no offense though)

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*doctor or cop or any other PR.

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nice anti-town play to prove you aren't scum .

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lol Wake just commented on stubbornness, oh the irony.

nice anti-town play to prove you aren't scum .

I see you didn't listen to Silverwolf on your little jabs.

SW specifically stated to not jab at people during heated discussions. This isn't heated discussion. This is gray giving up and being anti-town as revenge.

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what is leashing?

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@TSO are you an anti-town faction? Like what's your win condition?

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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Dilemma

One of these is what TSO will most likely attempt to achieve. I'm fine with putting him on a leash, but make it tight. And preferably with a built-in electrocution device.

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IF TSO is part of a multiball it is best to lynch now.
What is our second best option?

Have you been reading?

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@Shinobi why is Kop scum to you?

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That could be said for more than one person.

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Boon was lurking in D1 along with texts, and ika isn't really doing much either. Heck, I'm not even doing that much.

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Rip autocorrect texts = texcat

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So why is Kop useless?

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Citations would be nice btw

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Just cause he hasn't put it in a pretty list for ease of access doesn't mean he doesn't have any.

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I also don't think having no read list = useless.

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I'm not defending him, I'm curious.

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Note how I don't justify any of his acts, I only inquire why him specifically.

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I wanna vote TSO, but it's L-2, there's no point in keeping him of no one wants to leash, but I don't want ika to hammer suddenly...

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Nvm ika is already voting
VOTE: TSO

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nice

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Wordy guy ain't ya?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RedFF

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Lapsa, is GM SwampCat? I'm guessing that is the case since you are quoting her.

Aero is SwampCat

Aero is the mod, not a player. So how can Aero sit on a "haven't read the game" excuse not to vote?

Lapsa is being satirical.

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People started to oppose the leashing. I am fine with lynching or leashing you. If it comes to a point where people don't want you around I will just switch my vote back. Simple.

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*people where opposing the leashing

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*were

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Meh, I'd rather you took your vote off, but that makes sense.

I'm pretty sure I'm voting RedFF rn.

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Hot damn.

4 town bites the dust already. Wow that's bad.

Does this mean multiball for sure? Sk?

And that neighborhood wipe was possibly a really bad play. I'll look at that later.

Isn't #1968 a classic scum tell?

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@texcat It's a general goddamn consensus kill, just cause it's you getting killed doesn't mean only he wants it, he has provided am opinion on you, and one that most seem to agree with. I haven't seen anyone vehemently defending you who has been ignored. It's not like it's whoever he wants, he knows that he'll be dead tomorrow if he does.

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It's hard to take ika seriously when I can't read his posts :/

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TSO's sig is pretty much Gray's lynch now that I think about it.

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Sala would be proud of this page count.

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I had hopes
VOTE: TSO

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I'm honestly curious if every scum faction even submitted their night kill, I expected more kills than three today.

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@anna why do you say 4 scum?

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VOTE: Ozgin

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Wasn't even past half the needed votes...

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Oh, thought it was 8 to lynch, read the wrong vote count then.

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@gm how long will it take for you to catch up (-_-)

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Add matzahs to the food queue, need some Jewish representation amirite

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Lurking hard last couple of days.
If scum, likely werewolf from his push on red and I.
VOTE: Quaroath

Is this a scum slip or am I just hallucinating?

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omg guys it's AtE vote Mahon he's super scummy omfg

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omg guys it's AtE vote Mahon he's super scummy omfg

Where is your avatar?

In the server database for folders, most probably written in php or sql.

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inb4 Nos is GIF

I don't think I can fit in my freezer.

I wonder how long it will be before Ozzy comes back to make one last ditch effort to avoid getting lynched.

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So far, my scum list is comprised of Ozzy, Mahon, maybe Kop, maybe Q.

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^ordered from most to least by intensity.

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Does anyone find it odd that not only Firebringer isn't dead, but also that SW was killed the night she planned on visiting the RedFF's hood that, wait a minute, is also the hood that Firebringer is in? I find this very curious...

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Firebringer also never left the TSO wagon...

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There's a feeling I have that Firebringer is either ww cop, or bussing maf.

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I'd only really look back on this depending on the NKs tonight tho

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I don't think setups can work that way.

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Lol

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Or he could be a mafia cop.

There is probably a cop in this game cause of red's flip. Either fire is actually cop, or real cop just isn't speaking up ad of now, which I don't hold against them at this point.

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Where the fuck did that quote come from lol

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So you're just going to scum read everyone who finds your behavior odd? Oh wait you don't give reads do you.

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You also are using selective quoting to only show the phrases that discredit you. Something town wouldn't need to do.

I'd only really look back on this depending on the NKs tonight tho

This is something you avoided. You can't have not read it, it comes immediately after my other post and before froggers.

You're also deliberately avoiding the other conversations such as the Mahon and Q being scum and just going with "scum trying to discredit me lol", which is scummy in most anyone's book.

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You shouldn't been killed two days ago when you claimed cop. You're using an excuse to lurk and get a free pass all the way to LyLo/MyLo.

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*should've

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You shouldn't been killed two days ago when you claimed cop. You're using an excuse to lurk and get a free pass all the way to LyLo/MyLo.

So you want Ozgin to live and me to die because what?
I am lurking?

That sounds like a Policy Lynch bro.
You sound scummier with every post.

I will grant you that I could be participating more, but I explained why I am not. If thats an "excuse" then so be it.

lmao I never took my vote off Ozgin, nice misrep.

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There's a feeling I have that Firebringer is either ww cop, or bussing maf.

I've thought about this myself - but

for now it's not worth taking action on

. Then again - if he is, why isn't he just picking off the scum in the night?

It's worth a good thought way down the line.

Hence this

I'd only really look back on this depending on the NKs tonight tho

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Key word is usually

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Isn't a JOAT usually one shot cop, one shot doctor, one shot vigilante, and one shot roleblocker? So how did you get two investigate shots?

idk if Oz should out the people who he investigated or not.

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mfw my posts have unintended quotes in them

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You could mod kill yourself :^)

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@Aero

I want my cookie.

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VOTE: Fro99er
Ozgin claimed Fro was town in D2. Based on his flip and death note, there's no way for this to be true.

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Frogger last maf wouldn't make sense from the early Ozgin push on D1...
UNVOTE: Fro99er

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Based on Anna's conjuncture yesterday, I'd reckon there're three scum left...

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@skybird why do you think Kop is town?

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I think this is MyLo, ugh.

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I was actually wondering what was the deal with that awhile ago. I'm starting to think that there are people who claimed to be non neighbor but are actually in the penthouse.

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Well the only person who isn't a neighbor and who is still alive is lapsa afaik and he doesn't seem to be part of a neighbourhood.

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The fact that Mahon is actually trying to generate discussion instead of letting the game die quietly should show that he is most probably town.

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>one post saying it sucks
>he's not contributing at all
Nice meme.

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Yes, we're the last two werewolves.

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I wonder would scum kill confirmed townies?

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Cause if so, why didn't frogger die N2?

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Your prodding game might've been off but your page top game is on point.

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I'm comfortable with this VOTE: Kop

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Nice job only appearing when you're accused of being scum.

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What does "using a neighbor thread to its fullest" even mean?

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The real question is, if Kop is scum, who are his scumbuddies (if he flips ww)?

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We have perfectly good flips to take associatives from, let's not do them with people who haven't y/y?

I was really asking for everyone else's opinions since I'm not too experienced with associative/interactive tells, but that point is still valid.