In post 1606, Nosferatu wrote:@Wake insult me when you actually have quality walls that are accurate for the most part and aren't just conspiracy theories on the level of trump causing 9/11 by manipulating obama please o/
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Wow, you've supposedly read 25 pages of a 65 page game in very little time, giving bare bone reads lists with no explanation and how you feel confident enough to vote for me or anyone is beyond me.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 1616, goodmorning wrote:I read pretty quickly, and 25 pages is more than enough to make a serious, confident vote. Hell, 5 pages is enough to make a serious vote.
Not when you haven't read the entire game it isn't.
In post 1623, Firebringer wrote:Wow good morning been active.
Can I just pretend we both have all same reads?
Me = Lazy
VOTE: Silver
Sleeping goodmorning.
Have you read anything in this game at all or given any opinions on anything yet? How do you even know GM is town? Activity?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 1640, goodmorning wrote:
Look, what I'm saying here is that if I'd been playing the game from the start I'd have been voting you by page 30. Probably a lot sooner, but at least by then.
I'm about to post up to 35, so for all intents and purposes I'm playing the game a week back in time still.
Drop the attitude.
idgaf about having reads as you go and them changing as you read, but feeling confident voting for a person when you have not been playing the game from the beginning and are replacing in and haven't read even half the game yet is not what I would expect from someone honestly trying to figure this game out, unless you caught a scumslip or some other shit.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 1648, Firebringer wrote:Silver wolf is kind of a dick.
It's mildly entertaining, especially since fm has no attitude apparent to me in his posts.
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In post 1649, goodmorning wrote:In post 1646, SilverWolf wrote:In post 1640, goodmorning wrote:
Look, what I'm saying here is that if I'd been playing the game from the start I'd have been voting you by page 30. Probably a lot sooner, but at least by then.
I'm about to post up to 35, so for all intents and purposes I'm playing the game a week back in time still.
Drop the attitude.
idgaf about having reads as you go and them changing as you read, but feeling confident voting for a person when you have not been playing the game from the beginning and are replacing in and haven't read even half the game yet is not what I would expect from someone honestly trying to figure this game out, unless you caught a scumslip or some other shit.
You were confident enough on p36 to (apparently, based on a skim of your ISO) run Oz up to a claim (don't tell me anything about the speed or claim please).
I would have been confident enough by p30 to do the same to you.
If you have a problem with that then you're not the player I thought you were.
Yep, and on page 36 the only information I had was those 36 pages. You have the entire game. So yeah, I have a problem with that. If you are going to resort to saying I'm playing bad or not the kind of player you thought I was, then that does no one any good because I already know I'm having a terrible game.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 1655, redFF wrote:In post 1650, SilverWolf wrote:
I've noticed you don't have a lot to say unless it's about me this game. Reading your ISO, it's apparent. Why is that?
i mean u do have 50 posts more than anyone else
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NOT ONE OF YOU KNOWS ME FOR SHIT.
I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ATTENTION. I'M TRYING TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME AND YOU GUYS ARE MAKING IT PERSONAL WHEN WE HAVE 4 FUCKING DAYS LEFT.
GM-YOU TRYING TO EGG THEM ON IS NOT THE TYPE OF PLAYER OR PERSON I THOUGH YOU WERE. IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE I REALLY LIKED YOU BEFORE THIS BUT NOW I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ME TO FLY OFF THE HANDLE.
I DO FEEL LIKE YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO UPSET ME FOR SOME REASON.
MY POSTING LEVEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LEVEL OF LURKSACKS AND ANTI-TOWN PLAYERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING FAR TOO FUCKING PERSONAL WITH ME.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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VOTE: goodmorning
I've played with town GM several times and this isn't it. I've seen her replace in as town a couple times and played with her as town all the way through. I've played with her as both alignments.
Town GM takes her time to figure things out. She reads thoroughly. She asks questions. She's slow with her vote. She doesn't do this ever:
In post 1652, goodmorning wrote:In post 1650, SilverWolf wrote:
I've noticed you don't have a lot to say unless it's about me this game. Reading your ISO, it's apparent. Why is that?
I'm actually curious about this too, because there are players who are great fun to bait but you are certainly not one of them.
Here is her fake concern that Red is concentrating on me too much.
Here's her encouraging Red to continue only a couple posts later.
Town GM never gets involved in drama unless it's to try to stop it. NOT egg it on.
Then you look at Salamence who completely blew up at me over nothing, has been anti-town all game, and replaced out.
Then there's GM saying it's not alignment indicative to fight and get angry but is willing to vote Wake on an emotional post. I really don't need her constant lectures on what kind of player she thinks I am because I feel like it isn't genuine and that's backed up by her behavior so far this game.
I will absolutely be willing to switch to Red or maybe Firebringer if town wanted to go that way.
I will not be moving my vote to anyone else today. If you guys don't like it, you can lynch me instead. I really don't give a damn.
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In post 1745, Wake1 wrote:In post 1737, Spiffeh wrote:Wake I want to know how SW's role could possibly be aligned with scum. And if it was, why would she share it with us?
I base my opinions on how Scum can behave based on my experiences having been Scum in the past.
If I were Scum, and I had that unique role, I would definitely claim it out loud but make it look like I was provoked into it.
Why? Because there'd be players like you who'd question why someone who's Scum could possibly do that.
Since there can indeed exist Scum Doctors and Jailkeepers and Watchers et al, Scum Investigator is no exception.
Unless, of course, you're willing to say that this unique role is the same as Town Mason and Innocent Child, in which it can't be anything other than Town when it comes to the current Normal Guidelines of mafiascum.net.
I'm tired of your stupid conspiracy theories calling me scum all game. First, because I happen to get online after TSO/GrayFoxxxx/You were arguing and discussed an Ozgin wagon which just so happened to be someone I was voting way before this happened, suddenly you think TSO, Shinobi, and I are all scum together.
I told you it was Town Neighborhood Inspector. That's exactly how it is written on my role PM. I would never, ever out this role if I were scum with no pressure and no reason to do so. I would much rather keep this to myself if I were to be scum. I even explained why I was outing it when I did it. Did you ISO me and look at that or read it when I said it? Do you remember when Skybird could visit the neighborhoods in your offsite game but not post in them? That was a town role so why is it so hard for you to believe that this is?
Why are you so determined to call me scum that you are twisting evidence to suit your scumread and if you really think I'm scum why are you voting for a lurker like Boon rather than me, one of the three you think are scum together?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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You do realize Wake, I have two votes already. If you are so damn sure I'm scum why not make it a third and get a wagon going on an person with a verifiable town PR? I mean, it would pretty much match your play this game so far and how this game has been going right?
I mean, part of me would like to LOL at your reaction when I flip and anyone else who still thinks I'm scum after I flip exactly what I said I was.
Boon lurked like hell in the last Delicious game, we lynched him, it was a mislynch.
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In post 1770, Wake1 wrote:In post 1755, SilverWolf wrote:In post 1745, Wake1 wrote:In post 1737, Spiffeh wrote:Wake I want to know how SW's role could possibly be aligned with scum. And if it was, why would she share it with us?
I base my opinions on how Scum can behave based on my experiences having been Scum in the past.
If I were Scum, and I had that unique role, I would definitely claim it out loud but make it look like I was provoked into it.
Why? Because there'd be players like you who'd question why someone who's Scum could possibly do that.
Since there can indeed exist Scum Doctors and Jailkeepers and Watchers et al, Scum Investigator is no exception.
Unless, of course, you're willing to say that this unique role is the same as Town Mason and Innocent Child, in which it can't be anything other than Town when it comes to the current Normal Guidelines of mafiascum.net.
I'm tired of your stupid conspiracy theories calling me scum all game. First, because I happen to get online after TSO/GrayFoxxxx/You were arguing and discussed an Ozgin wagon which just so happened to be someone I was voting way before this happened, suddenly you think TSO, Shinobi, and I are all scum together.
I told you it was Town Neighborhood Inspector. That's exactly how it is written on my role PM. I would never, ever out this role if I were scum with no pressure and no reason to do so. I would much rather keep this to myself if I were to be scum. I even explained why I was outing it when I did it. Did you ISO me and look at that or read it when I said it? Do you remember when Skybird could visit the neighborhoods in your offsite game but not post in them? That was a town role so why is it so hard for you to believe that this is?
Why are you so determined to call me scum that you are twisting evidence to suit your scumread and if you really think I'm scum why are you voting for a lurker like Boon rather than me, one of the three you think are scum together?
I'm also trying to gauge how Scum-You would react; this includes your reaction when I point out Boons' Scum-meta here.
IFyou are Scum, you won't like being called Scum. I had an inkling, after naming you three, you may try to find a griphold on it when I then point out the legitimate points on boonskiies. The common "oh, you fos'd us, so why you looking at that person" play. I've seen it before, and I'll see it again.
And, as you know, if you're Scum you're not going to be 100% honest. What it boils down to is you getting pissed because I don't assume you're confirmed Town. What if your role PM said 'Mafia Neighborhood Inspector'? How do I know for sure one way or the other?
If we have four Neighborhoods and one of those three bars access from looking in, maybe it'd make sense and be kinda neat and balanced to also have a Scum role that can peer into various Neighborhoods, but not be able to look into one of the four.
Another example of you twisting evidence to fit a scumread because you are bound and determined to see me as scum. Basically, EVERY THING I do in this game to YOU is something I'd do as scum and you can't see it ANY other way.
I'm done talking to you or trying to work with you. I give up. Vote for me and try to get me lynched then.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 1848, T S O wrote:Sorry to my scumpartners, Shinobi and SilverWolf. We're in a lot of trouble if Wake can pursue that incredible deduction of his that we're scum together. Maybe you guys can win.
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@Gray-Why did you sheep me onto TSO?
Why did you claim VT early? I asked but you really didn't give a clear answer. Do you have one?
Why are you trying so hard to survive and not be lynched as a VT with the biggest wagon this close to deadline?
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In post 1895, GrayFoxxxx wrote:In post 1893, SilverWolf wrote:@Gray-Why did you sheep me onto TSO?
Why did you claim VT early? I asked but you really didn't give a clear answer. Do you have one?
Why are you trying so hard to survive and not be lynched as a VT with the biggest wagon this close to deadline?
What is your TSO scumcase-point by point, in your own words?
I have answered the first 2 questions, I will reanswer for your convenience.
I will consolidate all of the reasons TSO is scum. They are in my iso too.
I am short on time right now, so read my recent ISO if you aren't the patient type.
I will deliver tonight.
I realize you may have already answered some of this but please bear with me and to it again. Also, if you have reads on anyone outside of TSO plus reasons for those reads, that would be very helpful. When you have time.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Ask the mod. I've seen it done in games before. It's not cheating. If I believe you are a cop, I'll vote TSO after everyone gets a chance to post. I've seen too much fakeclaiming Cop to blindly trust.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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As scum cop or town cop, he wouldn't lie. I've seen so many fakeclaims and fake gulties that I'm always skeptical of this stuff now. However an unpromted claim at the beginning of the day is probably honest.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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OK I'm either going to visit yours Shinobi and see for myself or visit the TSO hood depending on flip. It is entirely possible to have more than one scum in a hood or have all town hoods.I'd like to see somethings for myself and talk with people about things if necessary.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
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Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer, Vanillaizer, Beloved Princess, Arsonist, GovernorDarkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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But what does this say about Firebringer's claim? Can a cop detect a Survivor. I thought they only got results on Mafia. This is why I asked him for specifics-like Guilty or Mafia results. I'm pretty sure no cop can tell if someone is a third party or not. At least not as far as a I know. I'm not sure what result a cop would get on a third party though. Does anyone know?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 2050, Fro99er wrote:In post 2041, SilverWolf wrote:http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer, Vanillaizer, Beloved Princess, Arsonist, Governor
Why aren't you reading 4 lines below that?
New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication.
It's possible that he's survivor, I guess. It would have to be one of the 2 allowed variant roles. Seems unlikely he's survivor, but not impossible.
The question remains what would Fire get as an investigative result on a survivor?
Pedit: Wolfie, asks the same thing
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In post 2024, Shinobi wrote:What exactly are you expecting to get out of the TSO hood?
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In post 2073, goodmorning wrote:No, finding Town and using PoE to get the Scum is perfectly acceptable.
Later in the game yes. It's far too easy to put scum in your townpile and having town in your PoE pile without enough info to go on. Especially with the low content posters.
I really want some solid reasons for a person to be scum outside of PoE right now. I will admit I was going to push Firebringer today before his claim or maybe Qua or Mah or maybe Red. And that's because of play, not necessarily PoE.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 2099, goodmorning wrote:In post 2093, SilverWolf wrote:I think there are scum in the lurkers-those barely playing for sure.
GM-how would leashing be helpful here?
Leashing TSO? Because he's not Town and not a Survivor and probably able to kill and possibly a 3p or else he'd have selfhammered when I pointed out that he can't be a Survivor.
So, in leashing him, we could net a Scum kill.
Or we could fuck up worse.
Your vote only put him at L-2. I had already pointed out he was at L-3 before that.
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In post 2105, ika wrote:
this is the same shit i had in my other game i hosted where ppl sat aroudn dicussing leaving a 3p alive or not
Oh yeah, if it's the one I was in there was a quite a debate about this. I know as scum, we wanted him gone but I can't even remember why. He couldn't kill. Town was split. Some wanted him dead. Some didn't but his wincon was very detailed and he decided to work with town but was limited by what town would let him do without lynching him. I think scum just wanted him gone because it wasn't a scum lynch and we were working with numbers/kills/majority at deadline.
I think-this is all off memory which isn't that great.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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OK, If TSO is a killing role, and the other kill is a vig, then there is only one scumteam which makes the chances of Firebringer being a scum cop less likely. I do agree he could of pushed TSO without claiming right away but it's not a bad thing that he claimed. If he dies, and TSO isn't lynched, that's a problem.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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UNVOTE:
I'm going to go look at 180. I think I know what TSO is talking about.
Also, he is a 3rd party and not groupscum due to Firebringer's result.
Don't vote for him yet. Hold on a minute.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 2145, Firebringer wrote:To the people who said me revealing was a bad plan:
Screw you.
I had a lead, and I went with it. I am not going to pressure TSO then later when a train forms on me (cause SilverWolf even admits that they were going to pressure me) and say "Ohh yeah I am Cop guys" then you guys lynch me because I didn't claim earlier.
I have seen that multiple times in games, so I went with my lead.
I don't think that TSO is survivor. What else was he going to claim? That he was town? I guess that might have been safer but I see it better for him claiming Survivor in case of multiball.
Think about it:
If he claims town, I get lynched. I flip cop.
He is completely outed as a liar.
He claims survivor and escapes the lynch?
No one touches him for rest of game.
How was your result worded. This is very important. Did it say he's not aligned with town, guilty, mafia, what?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 2147, Fro99er wrote:In post 2141, SilverWolf wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm going to go look at 180. I think I know what TSO is talking about.
Also, he is a 3rd party and not groupscum due to Firebringer's result.
Don't vote for him yet. Hold on a minute.
Can you explain the bolded?
Firebringer said he was not aligned with town. He didn't say it was a guilty or mafia result which is what I'd expect if TSO was groupscum. A cop result on a 3P would just say not aligned with town.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.