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Why are you asking her about this?In post 27, Zulfy wrote:Frozen Angel, yoo hoo, can I ask where you are from?
If RC is probably scum, then why are you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
Why "most likely the latter" ?In post 151, DeathNote wrote: Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later)"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut
You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?In post 98, Aeronaut wrote:In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
Why is RC scum?
In post 90, Dwlee99 wrote:Because her vote on me. She should know better.
Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.
Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.In post 123, Aeronaut wrote:In post 116, Fro99er wrote:Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512
I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS
Is this grossss?In post 145, Aeronaut wrote:Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Dwlee, you missed this question;
If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Why not?
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Why is that scummy pisskop?In post 265, pisskop wrote:In post 260, Dwlee99 wrote:Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Context?In post 272, pisskop wrote:Im not even a little interested in a repeat of last game. Im not holding it against you."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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IIn post 302, Dwlee99 wrote:Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.amsomewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...
What should I do instead?Dwlee99 wrote:Stop asking questions pls."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I'll answer this if you answer mine.
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This doesn't answer my question...In post 291, Fro99er wrote:Cuz I'm breaking my town meta. Dwlee's scum."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Fro99er, were you repeatedly voting Dwlee because;
- you wanted to get a reaction out of him
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- you are especially confident in your vote and want to make that clear
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- some other reason?
'Breaking your town meta' may be a characteristic of your repeat votes, but it doesn't explain to me why you chose to repeatedly vote for him.
Personally, I'm town reading Dwlee for his reaction to the votes and think the whole vote hopping conversation is just a big misunderstanding."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Not ignoring you RC. I asked you why you voted for me andyouignoredme. Give me a friggin break, man.
In post 230, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ignored an entire page of important game related content.
This is scum.
VOTE: JestrIn post 232, Wickedestjr wrote:I don't understand...In post 236, Wickedestjr wrote:Are you jokingly referring to page 9?
If so, I can play along and try to come up with a funny response. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm about four pages behind, but I skimmed your iso and didn't see anything directed at me, so I assume you're talking about your vote."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I didn't ignore DeathNote's "scum claim" post. I was one of the only/first players to ask him about it, actually - so I have no idea why you are accusingIn post 488, RadiantCowbells wrote:You ignored deathnote basically scumclaiming - why?meof ignoring it.
I didn't vote or express suspicion of him because I'm not sure it's a scum claim. Why would DeathNote-scum openly admit to being frustrated about something that he shouldn't be frustrated about as town?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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This feels like opportunistic scum...In post 326, davesaz wrote:Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.
The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.
VOTE: Dwlee99
Unvote. Vote: davesaz"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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If you're not implying anything, then why are you stating that you won't get lynched?In post 544, DeathNote wrote:I'm not implying anything. I am just stating that you won't lynch me."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I thought the traditional procedure was vote and then ask for a claim after enough people have voted... Why do two or three non-confirmed people have the authority to ask for someone's role claim in a sixteen player game?
Personally, I'm not ready for a claim but Iaminterested in seeing his answer to my question."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Actually, I never ignored DN.In post 615, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 613, Wickedestjr wrote:I thought the traditional procedure was vote and then ask for a claim after enough people have voted... Why do two or three non-confirmed people have the authority to ask for someone's role claim in a sixteen player game?
Personally, I'm not ready for a claim but Iaminterested in seeing his answer to my question.
This could absolutely be scumpartners with DN.
Ignored the wagon when it started and is now dragging its feet and chainsawing hard.Youhave been ignoringme.
If you are town, how about you answer my question about DN? (which I asked yesterday)
I'm opposed to seeing a role claim because I'm not yet convinced that he was softing. And un-necessary role claims are just foolish. I'm clearly trying to figure out if it was a soft or not."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I don't know what he could mean by that. But I'm not going to foolishly force a claim and make the assumption that he doesn't have a reasonable explanation if it actually wasn't a soft.
That is why I am actually giving him a chance;
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If you're not implying anything, then why are you stating that you won't get lynched?In post 544, DeathNote wrote:I'm not implying anything. I am just stating that you won't lynch me."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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YES I am! I asked him to explain, how is that not giving him a chance?In post 622, JarJarDrinks wrote:Are you though?
I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer. Our inability to come up with something doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a perfectly good explanation that we're missing.JarJar wrote:I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"
I already said that I would support seeing a role claim from him if he couldn't give an answer that makes sense. I'm a cautious player - is that a problem? Do we really need to rush this? We have another week and half and role claiming is somewhat serious."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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This is completely irrelevant because, as I said before;In post 634, JarJarDrinks wrote:Right. I'm trying to figure out if there is actually an answer that u would think does make sense.
I think it would be very unfair for me to say "Well I can't think of any way for DeathNote to explain himself, so he must not have an explanation".In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:Our inability to come up with something doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a perfectly good explanation that we're missing.
I didn't misdirect anything. Why do you think that I did?JarJar wrote:In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:I'm a cautious player - is that a problem? Do we really need to rush this? We have another week and half and role claiming is somewhat serious.
See, pretty sure this is what RC is talking about w/ you misdirecting stuff back @ people.
Also, you shouldn't listen to anything that RC says about me. We literally just finished a game where he incorrectly expressed certainty that I was scum. He literally has no idea how to read me and if he's town here, he's continuing to make that clear.
Well I seriously have no idea why this bothers you. I think my intent behind the question is pretty clear. There's no reason for me, as scum, to ask DN a useless question if I know there's no good answer that he can give. If I knew he couldn't give an answer, then why would I have asked the question?JarJar wrote:I'm going after you about this because I think YOU look scummy for it. Not because I'm admonishing you for slowing down his claim."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Commenting on things and asking random questions is pretty much my play style. You can't assume my questions are random/pointless just because they aren't questions that you would have asked. I like my questions. What's the benefit for me, as scum, to ask questions that are pointless? To look like I'm being productive? Well, if I was scum that wanted to look productive, then I wouldn't ask questions that I think are pointless. Thus, you should trust that I actually value the questions that I'm asking.In post 679, Aeronaut wrote:Yea. I feel like he's just kind of commenting on things or asking random questions, not really giving conclusions.
I've publicly concluded that I think Dwlee/DN are town and I think davesaz looks scummy. I have a few other town reads, but I see no reason to reveal them right now. If you expect me to have other scum reads, then you'll have to wait a little longer - as I said before, I'm cautious and don't throw out scum team theories three days into a game.Aeronaut wrote:not really giving conclusions.
Unless you have another alt that I don't know about, our only game together was over the summer. I'm actually posting a lot more here than I was in that game, so you might be misremembering. It probably seems like I have less presence because this is a large game and our other game was a mini game. I really don't know why you feel that I lack a presence here, though - I've actually complained about being ignored and also was the only person to voice opposition to the idea of DN role claiming - not things that I would do if I was trying to fly utr.Aeronaut wrote:I don't think i've played with him in awhile tbh; but I feel like he was so much more of a presence in past games.-
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I don't think it's a scum slip.In post 691, Dwlee99 wrote:Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I'm not necessarily scum reading you right now, though. So if you're implying that I'm a hypocrite, you should stop.In post 699, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, you shouldn't listen to anything that RC says about me. We literally just finished a game where he incorrectly expressed certainty that I was scum. He literally has no idea how to read me and if he's town here, he's continuing to make that clear.
Yeah well you lynched me you labia."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Keyser could be scum, but I really don't think he slipped.In post 711, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 704, Wickedestjr wrote:
I don't think it's a scum slip.In post 691, Dwlee99 wrote:Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?
But it is one. And now keyser is just being sarcastic and claiming that lynching me, regardless of alignment.
they never even said "it isnt a slip" they are just shrugging it off. Please wicked I need you on this. :/
I can't envision scum accidentally posting/admitting to their win condition."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I have a habit of just declaring things, sometimes. In this case, it was because of his post 653 which I interpreted as a serious role claim.In post 702, Aeronaut wrote:In post 663, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay, DeathNote is town.
Why are you just declaring this?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Keyser, can you explain why b is a win for you? I don't think you have explained this, yet. If you have, then a post number is all I need.In post 585, Keyser Söze wrote:a) if scum, you will be exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases (your second one so far this game).
b) if town, you will be miss-lynched for posting weak scum cases.
It is a WIN-WIN for me. Not for you."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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First of all, I don't know what 'weed' means in this context. Maybe you could explain? I think I've been pretty nice this game (I generally try to be), so I'm not sure what the problem is or why you're insulting me right now.In post 722, TheCow wrote:Wickedestjr want to do me a favor? please lynch yourself and/or stop being a literal and figurative weed."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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As I said last night, I initially townread him for post 653, which I interpreted and still interpret as a serious role claim.In post 746, JarJarDrinks wrote:In post 663, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay, DeathNote is town.
Can you please explain this?
Maybe I'm conf-biasing, but his subsequent posts (688 and 689) give me very good vibes too: his reaction to RC, his "I have no f-ing regrets" comment, his most-recent stance on meta, and his intention to stop playing after this game all seem really genuine. I have a really hard time believing that DN faked all of that..."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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If DeathNote is town, this seems like a pretty strong town tell from JarJar;
To answer your questions... A tree stump has the ability to vote until they use their ability - so if DN's a tree stump, that's why we still see his name in the VC.In post 770, JarJarDrinks wrote:Oh I had no idea Tree Stump was an actual role. Just Wiki'd it.
So how does that work? It says he can't vote so doesn't his name appearing in the VC pretty much kill that?
If a tree stump is about to get lynched, then that is when they use their stump ability. If Player A stumps, then the Mod will confirm that Player A is a tree stump and Player A's vote is removed, but he or she can still continue speaking. That's the advantage of the tree stump ability: we learn Player A's alignment but don't have to waste a lynch in the process. Make sense now?
My one idea was that he would say something along the lines of: "This case against me sucks and I know I'm going to convince you guys eventually". That answer wouldn't really make any sense in combination with his other self-deprecating comments, but you asked me to speculate so I did. FWIW tree stump also came to mind even though he explicitly said he wasn't implying anything with his comment.In post 771, JarJarDrinks wrote:And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?
In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:
I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.JarJar wrote:I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"
HOWEVER, as I have explained several times:. When I have issue with something that someone has done, I don't vote for them and push for their lynch. I ask them about it because there's always a chance that I'm just misinterpreting something or that there's a possible explanation that I am missing (this is not a rarity). Town get mis-lynched all the time because of misunderstandings and, as a scum hunter, I wanted to give DeathNote a chance to provide some clarity to the situation. This is how I play the game and it's how I believe the game should be played... especially in situations where a player is being asked to claim their role - that is a big deal, JarJar. Again, what's the problem here?it doesn't matter if I can come up with something
Yes, I think a tree stump role claim would explain his "I am just stating that you won't lynch me" warning. I think his tree stump role claim (or at least the post that I interpreted as a tree stump role claim) looked genuine because a.) it explained his "You won't lynch me" comment and b.) it's a pretty awful claim for him to make as scum (and no, I don't think he'd be WIFOMing).In post 775, Keyser Söze wrote:Did you think his "treestump" roleclaim fully explained his"I am just stating that you won't lynch me"warning?
To then declare to the thread outright: "DeathNote is town", is a huge leap to make.
DN was null and then I saw two things in short succession that made me think he was town. What is wrong with a huge leap?
I think a scum's natural instinct is to just address the criticism and try to look like a normal scumhunter. But I think only a more-skilled scum tries to feign the emotion that they would be feeling if they were town. If DN is scum, I think he did a great job of faking this reaction and I just don't know that he's skilled enough to pull it off (maybe he is, I'm just guessing based on the impression that he doesn't seem to play much anymore). In particular, the intention to stop playing after this game makes a lot more sense if he's town, for two reasons: a.) if he's scum, then he could just avoid using meta this game and not complain about feeling obligated to use it and b.) it's a rarity for him to draw scum, so if he was actually frustrated-scum, then I'd think he'd just tough it out and hope to draw town next game (which he probably would).In post 775, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 769, Wickedestjr wrote:Maybe I'm conf-biasing, but his subsequent posts (688 and 689) give me very good vibes too: his reaction to RC, his "I have no f-ing regrets" comment, his most-recent stance on meta, and his intention to stop playing after this game all seem really genuine. I have a really hard time believing that DN faked all of that...
Ok, I see defeated town, but why notdefeated scum?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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It is mildly bothersome that he would say he wasn't implying something when he actually was. But I don't think it's suspicious. I could very easily see DN-towntree denying an implication in order to keep his role a secret.In post 778, JarJarDrinks wrote:Especially considering his question wasIn post 611, Wickedestjr wrote:If you're not implying anything, then why are you stating that you won't get lynched?
cause if he believes that he was legit claiming treestump then obviously he WAS implying something.
Like, how can he really be satisfied w/ that answer?
JarJar, you're honestly starting to frustrate me right now. I have explained this several times and you keep ignoring my explanation. I know you think DN is scum, but you can't just assume that any resistance to his wagon or his claim is a partner. I think you're a townie suffering from conf-bias right now and you should be careful. FWIW, I'm not the kind of player to blatantly stick my neck out for a partner on day 1 and you have no reason to suspect me right now.In post 780, JarJarDrinks wrote:Basically what I'm saying is that :
Is basically Wicked asking for a roleclaim because there's no other good answer. And I wouldn't have a problem w/ asking for the claim obviously since I asked for it too. BUt his next post is:In post 611, Wickedestjr wrote:
If you're not implying anything, then why are you stating that you won't get lynched?In post 544, DeathNote wrote:I'm not implying anything. I am just stating that you won't lynch me.In post 613, Wickedestjr wrote:I thought the traditional procedure was vote and then ask for a claim after enough people have voted... Why do two or three non-confirmed people have the authority to ask for someone's role claim in a sixteen player game?
Personally, I'm not ready for a claimbut Iaminterested in seeing his answer to my question.
The first quote isme asking for a role claim because I asked what he meant if henotwasn'timplying anything. I have gone over this multiple times. But yes, it doeslooklike a blatant contradiction when you specifically paint it in that way, nice work."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I have found that I am accused of sounding "fake as flip" a lot. This game is no exception - I am town speaking in the way that I normally speak. One past example: In the game that RC and I recently completed, he said at one point;In post 794, Aeronaut wrote:I mean, I'm not. I just don't have a lot of solid case on him besides the fact that his posts feel fake as fuck. Which I guess is good enough for some people.
and the bolded portions of the post below should interest you;In post 159, RadiantCowbells wrote:He's so fucking formal and rote and not fluid about it and it's fake as hell.Spoiler: Explanation
I'm not referencing this game to discredit RC (I don't have any issue with him not liking my tone/fake-sound in that game because he's not the first person to view me that way), I just think it's a very recent/relevant post for people that think I sound fake in this game. I don't have a better or more recent example to give you."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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No, on page eight of a large game, I generally will not have many opinions to give.In post 858, Zulfy wrote:No opinions on any of the other stuff going on in the game at this point?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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In retrospect, it was kinda unfair/cheap of me to reference that game to discredit you. I was frustrated because it doesn't/didn't feel like you were making a fair effort to actually determine my alignment, so that reference was just my way of combating frustration without swearing or insulting you.In post 874, RadiantCowbells wrote:I want to lynch Wicked because he's flat and evasive, cites a terrible meta incident where he actually fucking lynched me, and he keeps throwing shots from the side at the DN wagon.
I still feel like you aren't giving me a fair chance in this game if you're town, don't appreciate you grouping me in the 'policy lynchables', and don't think I deserve to be called a labia.
But I do actually apologize for publicly mentioning that game to undermine you in this one."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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FWIW, I don't want to discuss this anymore and hope my posts on this page end the conversation about DN role claiming.In post 892, davesaz wrote:@Wicked, JarJar: I don't mind you trying to sort each other, but there was a question on the table regarding speculation on DN's role (if any). "It" in the quote is the speculation...
In post 814, davesaz wrote:
My point is that it seems to hurt town more to press this than it helps. What's the scenario that it helps?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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That's irrelevant, though.In post 898, RadiantCowbells wrote:You lynched me in that game so whatever point you think you have it sucks.
My point is that it feels like you didn't learn your lesson from that game, if you're town. You scum read me there and now you're, again, scum reading me here.
I scum read you there, but I'm not calling you scum and pushing for your lynch here.
There's the difference."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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My vote for you was a POE-vote. And I tried asking you a lot of questions in that game, so don't say I didn't put effort in.In post 900, RadiantCowbells wrote:In retrospect, it was kinda unfair/cheap of me to reference that game to discredit you. I was frustrated because it doesn't/didn't feel like you were making a fair effort to actually determine my alignment, so that reference was just my way of combating frustration without swearing or insulting you.
Yeah well what fucking effort did you put to sort me last game?
You and Anti both fucking deathtunneling on town while scum were the only people pushing each other. No wonder I was confused as to who scum are.
I don't even recall seeing a case from you."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Also, I was just trying to apologize. Not trying to instigate a conversation about last game, just explaining why I got frustrated.
I don't want to continue having this conversation about a past game that nobody else cares about.
Even if your points are different in this game, I still just felt that you would be a little more hesitant this time... Perhaps I'm wrong."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Dwlee - as I said before, I liked his reaction to votes. Some other things I like: his extreme/quick read change on me (can’t see him doing that as scum), his treatment of the Keyser “slip” (everything about it feels genuine), and his lack of scum reads (doubt that he'd pretend to be lost, as scum).
Zulfy - his catch up posts made me think he was trying to blend in or avoid saying anything controversial. In particular, asking me why I don’t have any other opinions (beyond my vote choice) on page 8 seems like a question he’s asking out of obligation rather than genuine interest. I mean, seriously, why would he ask me why I’m not giving more thoughts onpage 8when a.) there are thirty more pages now and I have given more thoughts and b.) it’s not like I was contributing less than everyone else - it’s weird that he would single me out like this. And then he calls me a "lurkasaurus that burps scum every time it speaks", yet he has no other questions to ask me or no other posts to attack. Feels like he’s just following the crowd.
Pisskop - this was mostly just a gut read. I just get the feeling that he’s trying to be townread by others."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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@Keyser and JarJar-
If DeathNote is town, then I seriously doubt that JarJar-scum says the bolded. He wouldn’t make ask if DeathNote is confirmed scum ifIn post 770, JarJarDrinks wrote:Oh I had no idea Tree Stump was an actual role. Just Wiki'd it.
So how does that work? It says he can't vote sodoesn't his name appearing in the VC pretty much kill that?hewas scum that knew DeathNote was town. So I think JarJar can only be scum if DeathNote is scum too.
You are slightly misrepping the situation, because I’m not town reading him for saying “I have a PR”. I’m town reading him for the specific power role that he hinted at. But I will say this;In post 931, JarJarDrinks wrote:I think that in general, I agree that you probably shouldn't ask for a claim until @ least L-1. But there has to be some exceptions. Like when someone claims a PR when there isn't that much of a wagon on them. I can't believe that people are accepting "I have a PR" as an actual defense. I'm probably more suspicious of the people that so easily bought into it.
-I agree that DN’s “you will not lynch me” was an awful thing for him to say.
-DN’s not scummy just because he misbehaved, because town misbehave all the time too. I don’t encourage his behavior, but at the same time, I think it’s indicative that he is town, so I’m going to townread him for it even though it was bad.
It. Doesn't. Matter. How many times do I have to explain that?In post 951, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Not impressed w/ this explaination. (not that I expected a good one)In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:My one idea was that he would say something along the lines of: "This case against me sucks and I know I'm going to convince you guys eventually". That answer wouldn't really make any sense in combination with his other self-deprecating comments, but you asked me to speculate so I did. FWIW tree stump also came to mind even though he explicitly said he wasn't implying anything with his comment."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I don’t have any completed games with you, but based on what I do know about you, I get the impression you’re an especially skilled/experienced player as both alignments. I haven’t seen anything from you that I think would be especially difficult for scum-Fro99er to fake (am I wrong?) and the meta arguments that others are using to town read you are pretty dissatisfying. I will get a better read on you when you return from vacation and start posting more frequently. I have seen a few small things from you that I like, but I’m cautious to put you in my town pile and will need a few more weeks at least.In post 919, Fro99er wrote:In post 910, Wickedestjr wrote:Final thoughts before I go to sleep...
Aero, JarJar, DeathNote, Dwlee, Keyser, RC, and FA looking like town.
Nosferatu, Fro99er, Wake, and Nero are null.
Cow, dave, pisskop, and Zulfy looking like scum.
How the hell am I null after 100 posts?
Eh, I still think it’s a good rule. The only reason for a person to claim is if we’re mass claiming or if they’re at risk of getting lynched. But we’re not mass claiming. And if a person’s not at L-3/L-2/L-1, then they’re not actually at risk of getting lynched either.In post 934, Fro99er wrote:In post 932, Fro99er wrote:100% what JarJar just said. L-1 and claim is fine in general, but should not be a hard and fast rule.
Like, that's something you learn in newbie school but the game does evolve beyond newbie school.
In fact, half the things I learned in newbie school don't even really apply.
As I said before, I’m a cautious player - especially when sorting the more experienced/skilled players like you. Caution is such a defining characteristic of my town game that I went out of my way to replicate it (to an extent) in my last scum game too. I’m fine with you putting me in the null pile, but I don’t think you should be concerned about me null reading you.In post 941, Fro99er wrote:I realize wicked isn't here and that's because I have no idea where to place wicked. Wicked isn't really null as they've posted content, and I've seen some things I both like (reads list somewhat similar to mine) and dislike (null reading me (validated by robot null reading me)). I probably need to interact with wicked more.
See my responses to Keyser in 889 - this post pretty much includes all of my thoughts pertaining to DeathNote.Fro99er wrote:Wicked, why are you town reading DeathNote?
Have you played with Zulfy before? See my response to RC (986).In post 943, Fro99er wrote:Wicked, I asked about DN town but also why is Zulfy scum? I can't get a read on Zulfy."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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davesaz, can you please explain the bolded parts of this quote;
?In post 971, davesaz wrote:Pisskop had a little burst of activity andfaded when it didn't yield anything.I have never seen him fail to attack something as town. It might not be a good attack and I usually scumread him for it, butit's consistent. The fact he's not doing anything speaks even louder than not doing anything that I would see as scummy."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Okay so I was wrong about Zulfy. He is probably town now.
Yes, his case is horrible, but that doesn't make him scum. I don't see any motivation for Zulfy-scum to make that case. Reading through it, I also think he genuinely believes in it, so I don't want to lynch him for it.
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Um, I don't think so. JarJar was wondering if DeathNote was conf-scum or not. I was pointing out that JarJar wouldn't be wondering that if he was scum and knew DeathNote was not scum. Thus: JarJar is very likely town if DeathNote is town.In post 1019, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 987, Wickedestjr wrote:If DeathNote is town, then I seriously doubt that JarJar-scum says the bolded. He wouldn’t make ask if DeathNote is confirmed scum ifhewas scum that knew DeathNote was town. So I think JarJar can only be scum if DeathNote is scum too.
My basic understanding of your point is that: 'scum would not defend town', but only 'scum would defend scum'. Is this correct?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I have trouble envisioning dave-scum say this to pisskop-town. This could be scum distance theatre - dave is unusually confident.In post 1207, davesaz wrote:In post 974, pisskop wrote:In post 971, davesaz wrote:Pisskop had a little burst of activity and faded when it didn't yield anything. I have never seen him fail to attack something as town. It might not be a good attack and I usually scumread him for it, but it's consistent. The fact he's not doing anything speaks even louder than not doing anything that I would see as scummy.
eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?
its all in the wiki.
In post 975, pisskop wrote:This is why I dont play every game in the same way.
So, question here. What's your actual reason for voting me? Could it be that I'm right and you need to get rid of the only person who sees you're scum?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Why would Dwlee-scum choose not to have any concrete scum reads, though? And why isn't it plausible for Dwlee-town to be struggling? I've had a few games where I couldn't get solid day 1 scum reads for the life of me, so I can relate. It's a perfectly reasonable issue for Dwlee-town and a weird strategy for Dwlee-scum, so I don't think this is a good reason to suspect him. I also don't think that Dwlee-scum would play this way...In post 1134, Fro99er wrote:Ok, now answer me who is scum.
I find it odd you have zero concrete scum reads of your own (just some sheeped ones) given I could lynch like 6-7 people right now.
If you weren't talking like Dave had already scum flipped, then why did you assume that RC was setting you up for a mis-lynch today? (because his point against you is only valid if dave is scum)In post 1221, Fro99er wrote:In post 1210, RadiantCowbells wrote:I find it bizarre that you're talking like Daves has already scum flipped.
Except I'm not.
But way to set me up as a mislynch tomorrow."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Actually, DeathNote, you don't have to answer that.
But I would like an answer to this;
You said that you were deliberately ambiguous about your role because you wanted to "lure the nightkill". If that's true, then why did you tell your neighbors that you were bulletproof (especially considering you suspected dave)?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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