New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

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VOTE: Lapsa

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Performer Nero Cain

What game are we in right now

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nvm did he replace out

Peregrine did you see the mason stuff?

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same reasons as implosion I'd reckon

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As a lapsa alt I can confirm he is not normally like this

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OK Peregrine is probably town to be honest...

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That's like

Almost my exact reads mirrored there

a little rearranging but yeah

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I hate you.

He's made like 4-5 posts since he came back and you just label him town. You give out townreads too easy.

meanwhile sickofit

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Not lynching performer, that's for sure

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Can anybody explain implosion? Zach????????????

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why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

Now Zach gets to experience how I've felt all game dealing with varsoon, wake88, and podoboq, on top of shannon

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I don't care who we lynch

As long as it's not:

Me
Titus
Zach
Varsoon
Wake
Podoboq
PeregrineV
Boem_u_desi
Transcend

And to a lesser degree not:

AGar
Performer
Mirhawk

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Implosion is pretty OK right now

Like I don't have strong feelings one way or the other and can see him as either alignment

Consequentially he is not who I want to lynch, though Zach did have a good point on the early vl/la stuff I think his answers and how he's reading the game could make sense too

I'm going to go into lowposting mode until day 2 hopefully, or when I need to discuss something

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Ok let me ask you something: why vote varsoon?

What is this "out of the group of four"...? Why do you have to lynch in the group of four?

Aside from that, you're really not giving us much to work with

You did say you read basically the entire game so... opinions on other people? Why settle for voting someone who you have no strong feelings for, one way or the other?

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VOTE: Vedith

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#ProutToBe dumb

#ProudToBe scum?

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only checking the people who I believe are jumping on an easy wagon during then.

You're a hypocrite

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VOTE: Sickofit1138

Don't think I want to move off of this again

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Vedith might be town after all

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Yes, I very strongly oppose that lynch

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Just don't quote post 64......

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Vedith might be town after all

Yeah, I figured you made that conclusion. But why? Do you think Performer is trying to deflect there or what?

I never said anything about performer?

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Vedith might just be dumb town

Like don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind lynching him knowing he's town

But I'd prefer to get sickofit who scums it up then says nothing for all of 2000 posts

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VOTE: Almost50

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I don't want to lynch Agar, can we please just get sickofit?

VOTE: Sickofit

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A50 is mafia

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@Dunn/Zack,

Here's an idea. Take the player list. Take turns crossing names off of your biggest townreads. Lynch whoever remains. Just fucking agree already.

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AGar
Lapsa
Almost50
Dunnstral
Zachstralkita
shannon
Sickofit1138
Mirhawk
Airick10
Performer Nero Cain
Transcend
PeregrineV
Boem_u_dusi
podoboq
Wake88
Varsoon

Titus

implosion
Vedith

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If a player is damaging to town, you should lynch them.

VOTE: podoboq

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The reason we can't move forward is because players like podoboq and varsoon don't want to talk about anything but the mason claims and won't pick a real lynch target/play the game

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Not sure where everyone pulled these numbers from, lylo at 9 players, 3 days to get there, guess I'm just less informed of the setup or people are making absolutely massive assumptions

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Town needs to work together. It's that simple.

I'm ready to work together, we just need to stop talking about Titus completely

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I think podoboq is town too which makes things super annoying

Anyway I did read Airick's stuff and then Agar's stuff so sure we can do this. This setup has to have multiple factions there's so many scummy players and resistance to things

VOTE: Agar

I actually really don't care who we lynch as long as it's in a pool of players I'm willing to lynch

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I honestly think that if we lynch Podo and he's town we have a better shot at winning this game.

inb4 wake comes in "that's a bad line!"

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AND HE VOTES aGaR HOLY SHIT

Stop chainsaw defending players with ~10 posts and maybe we can get through this day phase

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I'm not going to let Titus get lynched.

That's all that needs to be said

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I dislike a50's vote but I'm just going to assume this is multiple scum factions

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Seriously podoboq - even if you think Titus is mafia you need to stop with this and focus on other players.

You need to post about:
-not titus
-not anything mason-related


There's more than 1 mafia in this game, and even if you really think it's Titus, you're a huge distraction for the town by doing this

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No one is cleared, so please stop saying it.

Declarations like that Day 1 are always foolish.

Who said anyone was cleared?

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Thank you.

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So mod can we please get this guy removed for a rule violation?

Really?

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So

mod

can we please get this guy removed for a rule violation?

Since we can't manage to bloody well vote him for a scummy play, I figure this might be a way to get rid of him

.

I didn't break any rules. If anything warrants getting replaced over it's this

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probably just a ban evading catfish on this website lol

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Maybe you should case him







or something

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Rolefishing from Mir.

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It's guys like Zach (if town-aligned) that will give us a chance to -at least- be competitive in this game.

Spoiler:

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Fos: Almost50

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is that what you can't say? LOL I'll carry on then

No, I townread Titus from this game.

The masking part was a lie I was townreading Lapsa at the time, though that has changed

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I'm VT

Spoiler:

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Next ISO: PeregrineV (31 posts):

Special request: Do mirhawk, don't need every single post

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A real man doesn't double post to get page tops?

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???????????

Did you replace someone

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Oh you're sickofit


Anyways, I've been taking a second, deeper look at the thread and don't want this lynch:

UNVOTE: Agar

Don't want vedith either
or shannon

I'm still looking and thinking things over

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I did a mason gambit in a recent game with Titus. Neat.

I hope I inspired Titus <3

....

I was there too

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Also why are these wagons so pathetic when we are 100 pages into the game >_>

I'll get something going here

Tomorrow probably

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Anyone have meta on Titus doing Mason gambits?

No but I'd put my level of trust in that being a legit claim somewhere around fifteen percent.

Hrm, strike that. They obviously have daytalk.

Hey mirhawk, can you explain why you thought Titus and I "obviously had daytalk" ?

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VOTE: mirhawk

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OK. I think you and Lapsa are mafia together.

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You already thought that, how did this change anything?

That's news to me considering I just started thinking this a while ago as I went over the thread.

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@Shannon, When you keep voting town for being anti-town rather than finding scum, you give scum an excuse to do that too, creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Right now, there's two decent cases. One, Agar's move was terribly scummy and logically inconsistent. Second, Mirhawk "slipped" that masons should have daytalk, likely because he did. Even if you feel overwhelmed to where you cannot give reads, you can at least look those over.

This mason thing is a huge deal because you let it be.

I don't know if I've ever seen masons without daytalk.

also you're making a mess of what I did. I saw a comment from you that made me think you had daytalk after the mason claim which reinforced the claim in my eyes. How is this a slip?

It wasn't announced that day talk was in this game (which would include both mafia and masons) until way after you said that

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Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

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I admittedly might be mistaken about your read on Lapsa.

Is there something specific that makes you think I'm scum with him or do you just think we're both scum? To my knowledge I've barely acknowledged him this game.

That makes you look worse, considering his interactions with you have been wonky.

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In fact, why don't we take a look at these super-weird lapsa/mirhawk interactions? But I'm going to include in general all other interactions to help make things clear

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Lapsa's Interactions

25 - dunnstral vote
28 - dunnstral
32 - implosion
35 - implosion
190 - performer
191 - dunnstral
192 - wake88
203 - dunnstral unvote
206 - implosion
210 - sickofit
213 - dunnstral
215 - zachstral
217 - shannon
218 - nosferatu/transcend
219 - boem
281 - titus
282 - performer
284 - zachstral
287 - boem
288 -

mirhawk

(looks like distancing instead of a real thought process)
289 - zachstral
294 - podoboq
296 - zachstral
298 - zachstral
302 - peregrine
305 - almost50
346 - podoboq
414 - podoboq
415 - shannon
416 - performer
417 - performer
419 - implosion
420 - implosion (reads list, leaves out mirhawk)
421 - podoboq
452 - podoboq
454 - zachstral
456 - titus
462 - titus vote
498 - titus
502 - zachstral
504 - titus
521 - lapsa
539 - titus
566 - titus
567 - agar
623 - dunnstral
626 - wake88
627 -

mirhawk

vote (looks like distancing)
699 - zachstral
703 - zachstral
704 - zachstral
709 - zachstral
711 - zachstral
716 - zachstral
718 - varsoon
721 - zachstral
729 - zachstral
734 - zachstral/titus vote (asked to question mirhawk; doesn't)
739 - read list (mirhawk mafia - no interaction)
742 -

mirhawk

(strange, saying it is worth towncred when it came before his reads list, but doesn't influence it)

Past this point, he never interacts with mirhawk again.

Mirhawk's Interactions

16 - podoboq vote
88 - sickofit
196 - sickofit
200 - dunnstral
243 - wake88
244 - performer
251 - zachstral
252 - performer
432 - dunnstral
435 - performer
639 - boem
640 - performer
641 - dunnstral
644 - shannon
645 - transcend
649 - mirhawk
650 - performer
652 - zachstral
655 - zachstral
656 -

lapsa

(about the macho claim, aka filler)
657 - zachstral
658 - zachstral
660 - titus
662 - transcend
664 - dunnstral
665 - varsoon
667 - zachstral vote
717 - zachstral
719 - zachstral
731 - dunnstral
735 - zachstral
737 - dunnstral
740 -

lapsa

(about painbringer, aka filler)

He never talks about Lapsa past this point (until now when I brought them up as a scum team)



Also notable: both don't interact with Almost50 in that time frame

In post 2335, Almost50 town reads both Lapsa and Mirhawk
In post 2549 I ask Almost50 to do an iso of mirhawk; he goes on to do one of performer who is of similar length to mirhawk, but gives an excuse about length for "not doing other people"
Almost50 also responded to the macho claim by Lapsa, in 423

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I'd like to know the other 4.

Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.

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I want to lynch one of lapsa/mirhawk today

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You serious?

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I'm willing to lynch whichever of the two gets more votes.

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eh i probaly won't rpoe a50 either. i really have to iso lapsa some time.

Like, now preferably

Or look at that big post I just made

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In post 2549 I ask Almost50 to do an iso of mirhawk; he goes on to do one of performer who is of similar length to mirhawk, but gives an excuse about length for "not doing other people"

And now I know you're skimming, bc I did do an ISO of Mirhawk in the very same post I did the performer ISO.

Not just that, but Boem quoted the whole post so if you missed it once you should've spotted it the second time!!!

Yeah I'm skimming those posts in particular....

Didn't see that you did mirhawk on the same post as performer

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UNVOTE:

Ok so I did some investigating of my own for my own vote and I appear to be voting a town aligned player.

Can you investigate Lapsa/Mirhawk

Preferably with a vote

Not much time to really engage today as I'm ripping out our kitchen (FUN). I appreciate the people who have commented that I'm town but suck at playing it!

Quickly going to VOTE: Agar for no reason other than his is the majority wagon and I want to help town lynch *someone* today.

This is so bad...

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beeboy

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My Lapsa/Mirhawk-

Whatever

VOTE: Vedith

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Did I really

To be fair nobody called l-2 or l-1 or anything

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Eh don't worry about it, I'm really good at lynching people without claims

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inb4 he flips town joat and we're fucked beyond all comparison

?

But I have a sweet lapsa/mirhawk thing going for tomorrow

Unless I were to unfortunately die night 1

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I... don't think that's what BOTD is

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Spoiler: zach right now

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I'm a 1-shot vigilante, I shot Lapsa.

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I'm not answering dumb questions like that. Get off of Titus and stop asking me stuff

You should know why

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Why haven't you looked at the quickwagon on vedith from yesterday?

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Wee a lynch

vc 1.22

Titus (3):

Lapsa

, Varsoon, Wake88

Vedith

(10):

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

AGar (4):

Airick10, Almost50, podoboq, implosion

shannon (2):

Mirhawk, Vedith

Not Voting:

None

The last 6 people on all quick wagoned Vedith (and I townread all of them)

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UH I was selling Lapsa/Mirhawk/A50 all day yesterday and ALL 3 were off the mafia wagon

It's still worth getting A50 and Mirhawk imo

Probably no kill from mafia because I got docced.

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So how's my idea of lynching all mason claims looking now? Nice one, Dunn.

Also I don't think I want to play with you again. Not sure why you were blaming me when you were also at fault for not saying L-1 and having voted as well

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VOTE: Almost50

I think this is where I want to go today. Titus is absolutely town so back off

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Implosion and podoboq also look bad from the vote count analysis, having jumped on agar when it became sort of a counter-wagon

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shannon is town

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Also guess what, mafia probably had no kill because they were on me and I got docced


Seriously we need to do vote count analysis. Look at the counter-wagon thing that formed on Agar and look at the speed wagon on Vedith

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I will say, if mafia did target me that actually makes Titus a bit more suspicious unfortunately

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I actually haven't really been paying attention to Vedith's posts. My early reason for townreading sickofit decayed over time but his tone in his most recent post sounds really genuine.

Looking at Vedith's ISO I think I'm willing to lynch the slot. Nos was one of my weakest townreads and his take on the Titus thing feels kind of like he wants to policy lynch her for the fakeclaim without calling it a policy lynch. It feels like he might be scum who feels like scum is entitled to the mislynch after Titus misplayed. "Claiming mason when you are not mason is scum to me" in 2142 is a very 1-dimensional view of the game.

Unvote

VOTE: Vedith

Unvote

VOTE: AGar

I prefer him to Vedith. Still willing to compromise on Vedith though.

Low posting lurkers or low content lurkers?

I don't know, you tell me which of these categories the scumreads that I have very clearly elucidated fall into.

Another trend I'm noticing in this game that I very heavily disagree with. There are multiple people that I believe are town (Wake, Lapsa) that are seeing certain things happening and essentially abstractly deciding that those things must be meaningful: in Wake's case the resistance to Titus's wagon, in Lapsa's case the 'connection' between Varsoon and Zach. I really just abhor this kind of reasoning of seeing that something has happened, being unable to explain it, and therefore assuming it must have some deeper reason.

People are pushing against the Titus wagon because there are really good reasons to believe that she's town. Her play today has been very divisive (and it's the kind of play that we should expect to be divisive). So it isn't strange that there are large numbers of people calling for her lynch and large numbers vocally opposing that lynch. No one is pushing against the Vedith wagon because those strong reasons don't exist for him, so no one feels strongly enough that he is town to vocally oppose it.

The Zach/Varsoon thing is just meaningless. The way they acted together in no way implies a connection beyond one of them implicitly asking the other to fakeclaim masons with them, and the other acquiescing.

I really have nothing useful to say here. I don't know what some people saw in AGar's recent posting that looked town to them. He's saying reasonable things but they aren't really town-indicative reasonable things. His most recent post at least is just like, a neutral description of how town should play. Describing how town should play does not make you town. You could argue that it mitigates the points about him switching off Titus and that's fair but that doesn't make him town. If AGar is scum (and Vedith isn't trolling) then these last couple of wagons will be a goldmine of analysis.

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So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa

Why are you assuming it's multi-ball when there was only one kill? Which I claimed

I don't think mafia would target lapsa. I think it was doctored or roleblocked (and yes, if it was a roleblocker type they should out it)

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Players are never killed for no reason, and I want Dunnstral to explain why he killed Lapsa.

I did.

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

I'm ignoring you now.

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where are these performer votes guys.. why dont you contribute to a good cause

Can you do something useful???

Why performer?

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Wee a lynch

vc 1.22

Titus (3):

Lapsa

, Varsoon, Wake88

Vedith

(10):

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

AGar (4):

Airick10, Almost50, podoboq, implosion

shannon (2):

Mirhawk, Vedith

Not Voting:

None

The last 6 people on all quick wagoned Vedith (and I townread all of them)

PERFORMER WAS PARKED ON VEDITH....

Who cares about him right now, probably town regardless

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If Lapsa flipped mafia, there would be strong associative evidence for mirhawk and A50.

I still think A50 is scummy

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@Zach can I get you to explain why performer?

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VOTE: implosion

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i dont like a50 lynch


scum are gonna coast through this game

How about that fabled implosion lynch did you see his post

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I don't think Zach is on the same team as Nosferatu.

Spoiler:

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@Zach can I get you to explain why performer?

He's been a wallflower this entire game in terms of gamesolving, no solid stances because all of his stances are so flexible that they can switch at any time for any reason. He does not commit to anything that he can't weasel out of. If you don't believe me, read his ISO.

That is all.

VOTE: Performer

And he soft defended Vedith.

i dont like a50 lynch


scum are gonna coast through this game

How about that fabled implosion lynch did you see his post

what about that post pinged you?

If your case on performer is that weak

Why would we vote them over other people with stronger cases

what about that post pinged you?

Are you serious

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For you to answer my thing but I guess not

Titus knows it, assuming me and her don't both die, it will be revealed later. Or maybe you get shot by vig?

Lapsa is who I would shoot if I were a vig

Take notes ^^^ follow my example

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what is your case on implosion lmfao

This is literally what I was asking you guys all of day 1 . Don't start with that

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I'm going to check Lapsa's interactions with other players.

....

I shot him dude

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what is your case on implosion lmfao

This is literally what I was asking you guys all of day 1 . Don't start with that

Why are you acting like a fucking rock? Quit pissing around Day 1 has nothing to do with this

BECAUSE HE HAD A BAD POST I VOTED HIM

That's my case

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Lapsa

25 - dunnstral vote
28 - dunnstral
32 - implosion
35 - implosion
190 - performer
191 - dunnstral
192 - wake88
203 - dunnstral unvote
206 - implosion
210 - sickofit
213 - dunnstral
215 - zachstral
217 - shannon
218 - nosferatu/transcend
219 - boem
281 - titus
282 - performer
284 - zachstral
287 - boem
288 - mirhawk
289 - zachstral
294 - podoboq
296 - zachstral
298 - zachstral
302 - peregrine
305 - almost50
346 - podoboq
414 - podoboq
415 - shannon
416 - performer
417 - performer
419 - implosion
420 - implosion (reads list, leaves out mirhawk)
421 - podoboq
452 - podoboq
454 - zachstral
456 - titus
462 - titus vote
498 - titus
502 - zachstral
504 - titus
521 - lapsa
539 - titus
566 - titus
567 - agar
623 - dunnstral
626 - wake88
627 - mirhawk vote (looks like distancing)
699 - zachstral
703 - zachstral
704 - zachstral
709 - zachstral
711 - zachstral
716 - zachstral
718 - varsoon
721 - zachstral
729 - zachstral
734 - zachstral/titus vote (asked to question mirhawk; doesn't)
739 - read list (mirhawk mafia - no interaction)
742 - mirhawk (strange, saying it is worth towncred when it came before his reads list, but doesn't influence it)

Past this point, he never interacts with mirhawk again.

[Dunnstral]

And you made a list of fucking Lapsa interactions just to shoot him?

Shh

I want to hear what Titus has to say when I said she was more suspicious if I protected from a kill

[Dunnstral]

Okay WHAT ABOUT THAT POST IS BAD EXPLAIN IT LIKE I'M A HAMSTER

Well for one, he is now seemingly ignoring me....

Even though a second ago he was content to sheep what I was voting

Anyway it was the most opportunistic vote ever and it just the post didn't feel right

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Good waste of your shot btw

It wasn't a waste. I would have been pursuing lapsa/mirhawk connections today

[Dunnstral]

I peeped his meta on Day 1 apparently arrogant town is his thing

Guess what

So Did I

He looked different this game

It's not like he was going to scumhunt anyway so whatever

[Dunnstral]

probably

What if I told you all 6 people who fast wagonned vedith were town?

[Dunnstral]

Gonna need a real good reason to be voting performer

Over like, 5 other people who I could vote before him

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UNVOTE:

Not pushing anything

I am OPEN to ideas

[Dunnstral]

Neapolitan figures out if people are vanilla town or not

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Yes

Also a variation of vanilla cop, that is used on town sometimes

This one happened to be mafia

[Dunnstral]

Alright yeah let's get a5

VOTE: Almost50

Transcend welcome to the thread, check out my iso if you want to catch up

[Dunnstral]

It wasn't a waste of a shot. I'd have been voting him today.

Waiting for other people to catch up anyway but this is what I want right now

[Dunnstral]

I'm still open to ideas, though

It just happens that this is where I'm at right now

[Dunnstral]

What do you think of my claim?

[Dunnstral]

Since Vedith has replaced Nosferatu I will give the slot one chance.

VOTE: Sickofit1138

VOTE: wake

U piss me off....


But ur prob town. Just had to throw a vote your way out of spite.

VOTE: Vedith

Bring it, Cupcake.

Why Vedith? I haven't ISO'd him but I suppose I could.

And what about you Wake, will you vote sickofit/vedith?

I'm open to lynching that slot. Nosferatu was Scummy because he would not provide any content behind his words. Vedith I have not ISO'd. Tentatively I'd be open to voting him Day 1, but the slot hasn't been as bad as other slots. If it were a choice between no lynch or Sickofit1138 I'd choose the latter.

~HISTORY~

Day 1

~ I ask in 2170 for confirmation that

Wake88

is willing to lynch

Sickofit1138

and

Vedith

Day 1.

Wake88

hesitantly

replies 'Yes' to both in 2190.

Don't be underhanded.

I'm willing to lynch that slot today but I haven't ISO'd him so in spite of willing to lynch him I'm not certain he's Scum. I haven't ISO'd Vedith either.

We have a little over 5 days left.

Though I think Titus would be a wise lynch, I don't think we will have the votes in time Day 1.

This means either AGar or Vedith, unless a better option happens.

I really didn't like how Nosferatu wouldn't provide content. That said, I don't know his Town meta.

Glancing at Vedith's ISO, I notice he has not once mentioned my name, or asked me a question, or challenged me. I demand confrontation. Engagement.

Boem_u_dusi, could you better explain your 2058, where you say Vedith's posts are weak? I feel that requires clarity. Dunnstral saying that Vedith's posts are worse than Nosferatu's doesn't ring true from where I'm standing (2090).

...then again, it doesn't feel like Vedith is

not

trying to be noticed. I'm thinking about who

is

escaping my awareness...

Vedith's 2305 doesn't make me want to vote him.

Why?

He's got a point. There's little resistance to his wagon. I believe we're in Multiball. There's been a fuck-ton of nonsensical resistance to other wagons.

I'd rather see Titus lynched. All this resistance—all this hellbent fighting—to keep Titus from being lynched especially when she's a random like everyone else who has been found to have lied to everyone... it makes zero sense.

It's a sign. There's very little resistance to Vedith's wagon, but an immense—blatantly obvious—amount of resistance against Titus's wagon. Like certain people are bending over to save their teammate from getting lynched.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me it doesn't feel like we're in Multiball. Tell me Titus, being a random like the rest of us, doesn't have a suspicious amount of resistance to her wagon. Tell me Vedith's wagon has a lot of resistance. Just look at the game.

I'm paying attention to the

actions

.

VOTE: Titus

So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa

Why are you assuming it's multi-ball

when there was only one kill? Which I claimed

I don't think mafia would target lapsa. I think it was doctored or roleblocked (and yes, if it was a roleblocker type they should out it)

Do not

put words in my mouth.

I consider the possibilities. I do not assume.

If you're Town,

don't do that

.

[Dunnstral]

What do you think of my claim?

I don't think I should answer that. Obvious reasons.

I kind of need an answer though, not sure what obvious reasons are but keep it to this game

[Dunnstral]

I claimed vig genious

[Dunnstral]

So A50 has nothing useful to say then

[Dunnstral]

I'm waiting on Titus' reply btw

[Dunnstral]

Except I think mafia tried to nightkill me.

[Dunnstral]

Titus you didn't answer what I asked you

[Dunnstral]

Not sure he sheeped you quite a bit D1 (Sickofit?)

Wtf you guys where trying to lynch me day 1.

Look at sickofit's iso?

[Dunnstral]

...

[Dunnstral]

What do you think of my claim?

I don't think I should answer that. Obvious reasons.

I kind of need an answer though, not sure what obvious reasons are but keep it to this game

[Dunnstral]

Ok first of all:

1. Almost50 you're dumb for claiming
2. You're half-dumb for roleblocking me (you protected me too so)
3. It's probably multiball after all. One mafia faction targetted Lapsa to try to kill mafia, another targeted me to get rid of town.

[Dunnstral]

Titus can you answer what you think of my claim anyways?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't want to claim either, because I figured it would be best play, but Dunn's misleading the town leading us in circles and it HAS TO STOP NOW!

I'm not misleading the town, I actually shot at Lapsa...

How was I supposed to know I was roleblocked when Lapsa was the only person who died?

[Dunnstral]

Titus can you answer what you think of my claim anyways?

I thought I said that it was anti-town to do so.

Why were you saying I was VT on day 1.

[Dunnstral]

Also how is it anti-town to claim the shot when I think I've done it?

From my pov mafia kill failed and I didn't want people analyzing my vig shot (which is used up, by the way, it's non-normal to refund shots) as if it were the mafia kill

[Dunnstral]

Titus can you answer what you think of my claim anyways?

I thought I said that it was anti-town to do so.

Why were you saying I was VT on day 1.

I don't feel like that's protown to answer.

Alright, let me put it this way. If it's multiball and there was more than 1 scum-sided kill, I think you're mafia.

If there was only one scum sided kill and it was on lapsa, you're probably town

[Dunnstral]

Did you notice that I was a PR on day 1?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't say I suspected Titus.

[Dunnstral]

In fact I said if it's not multiball i think she's town

[Dunnstral]

Ok. Then stop talking to me and watch me do it, because I'm doing it.

[Dunnstral]

And you only serve to get in the way

[Dunnstral]

@A50 You're dead tonight from that claim, btw. Unless you role-block your killer or we have two protectives

[Dunnstral]

Guys guess what time it is

[Dunnstral]

Lapsa

25 - dunnstral vote
28 - dunnstral
32 - implosion
35 - implosion
190 - performer
191 - dunnstral
192 - wake88
203 - dunnstral unvote
206 - implosion
210 - sickofit
213 - dunnstral
215 - zachstral
217 - shannon
218 - nosferatu/transcend
219 - boem
281 - titus
282 - performer
284 - zachstral
287 - boem
288 - mirhawk
289 - zachstral
294 - podoboq
296 - zachstral
298 - zachstral
302 - peregrine
305 - almost50
346 - podoboq
414 - podoboq
415 - shannon
416 - performer
417 - performer
419 - implosion
420 - implosion
421 - podoboq
452 - podoboq
454 - zachstral
456 - titus
462 - titus vote
498 - titus
502 - zachstral
504 - titus
521 - lapsa
539 - titus
566 - titus
567 - agar
623 - dunnstral
626 - wake88
627 - mirhawk vote
699 - zachstral
703 - zachstral
704 - zachstral
709 - zachstral
711 - zachstral
716 - zachstral
718 - varsoon
721 - zachstral
729 - zachstral
734 - zachstral/titus vote
739 - read list
742 - mirhawk




Who would have killed Lapsa?
Aside from me of course, who on mafia?

[Dunnstral]

Maybe he got killed because he claimed macho and they thought he was a pr, too.

[Dunnstral]

Town:
1-shot Vig
Jailkeeper
Miller
Macho Town

vs

Mafia Neapolitan

Mafia Neapolitan gets a not vanilla result on the miller and macho town (though those are both likely things town claims, anyway, and they wouldn't check there)

[Dunnstral]

I'd prefer to just go back and look at what Lapsa did from the beginning, from a new angle

[Dunnstral]

Honestly claiming jailkeeper was a bad move, you don't even think I'm mafia or anything? Just wrong apparently

[Dunnstral]

YOu don't have anything on performer

[Dunnstral]

I'm not pushing anyone right now, a50 claimed jailkeeper

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

Alright, I examined Lapsa's iso

1: He talked to me a lot. This is useless.
2. He suspected Titus. However, I think Titus would have killed me, instead. It looks more like somebody trying to frame Titus, than Titus being actual mafia
3. He was maybe killed if Mirhawk is mafia to do both 2 and try to get suspicion off of mirhawk

Right now, best bet:
VOTE: Mirhawk

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Mirhawk based on what Dunn says in 3010

Even I didn't think it was

that

convincing of an argument

[Dunnstral]

But it's a possibility

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Almost50

I think this is where I want to go today. Titus is absolutely town so back off

If theres a town roleblocker then they

can

out who they targeted but it's not like Dunn's claim actually confirms him. Lapsa also was really, really obvious town from the macho claim (and other things) but he wasn't listening to anything anyone was saying so it's not like it's the biggest deal.

I agree with VC analysis being important here; from my point of view I tend to think either airick or almost50 is scum from it based on the AGar wagon (which, I agree even though I was on it, was probably largely a counterwagon) and a stronger townread on podoboq. I'd say I'm unsure on AGar now. The end result of yesterday is enough to sway me from scumreading him at least for now.

Saying we need to put pressure on Titus is pointless. She had the most pressure applied to her of any player yesterday by far for the entire day.

VOTE: Almost50

Alright, I examined Lapsa's iso

1: He talked to me a lot. This is useless.
2. He suspected Titus. However, I think Titus would have killed me, instead. It looks more like somebody trying to frame Titus, than Titus being actual mafia
3. He was maybe killed if Mirhawk is mafia to do both 2 and try to get suspicion off of mirhawk

Right now, best bet:
VOTE: Mirhawk

It's still perfectly possible A50 is mafia but certainly less likely and certainly not today's lynch so.

Unvote

VOTE: Mirhawk
And i swear if anyone calls this vote opportunistic after what i've been saying today there will be words.

These are also all of Mirhawk's comments on Vedith:

I'm not really feeling Ved, his posts strike me as more newtown then anything else. I could go this way if we have no better options, but eh.

Soft PR claim from Ved.

Some people are voting Titus for one of the Mason gambits, some people are voting Vedith for replacing into a lurker slot then generating little content, and some people are voting AGar for reasons I don't really understand. Smart people are voting Shannon because she keeps making gross posts.

No mention of Nosferatu. No mention of Mirhawk from Vedith except for responding to the latter two of these in 2537 and 2577 both of which I can easily see as S->S. I haven't looked at the iso from mirhawk in depth yet (I've delved a bit more into vedith but not a ton) but these are some pretty lackluster interactions.

I'm OK with this I guess...

[Dunnstral]

How was Lapsa "practically clear"?

[Dunnstral]

How was Lapsa "practically clear"?

I was referring to A50

And I was talking to implosion...

[Dunnstral]

Can you explain why on performer?

[Dunnstral]

Implosion is following Dunnstral's two votes (3019).

...Yeah I pointed that out

[Dunnstral]

Can somebody tell me why performer

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sheeping Titus.....

[Dunnstral]

Except he lurked and had minimal interactions

[Dunnstral]

You're not helping by doing whatever you're doing

Whatever, if nobody can explain it we're getting Mirhawk over performer today.

Except he lurked and had minimal interactions

It's not just about

his

interactions, but those of other players

about

him.

Those who voted him, those who refused. We need to look at that.

This is what we do when we have flips. Any experienced player should know this.

OK. So why aren't you doing it...?

But I'll take a look for the hot topics for today

[Dunnstral]

That was like two quotes

You're acting like you featured a case

[Dunnstral]

I'll analyze Nosferatu's stuff

I haven't played with a lot of these people

VOTE: podoboq
confusing name to type

starts off RVS voting podoboq

implosion

I wanna vote you. Why is that?

Also

A50

's 139 is bad.

We know that A50 is probably town, at this point

VOTE: zach

quack

Zach vote

I get such bad vibez from

implosion

man

am I going crazy or something

I just realized that there are literally only 4 people I played with , in here.
Nosferatu, do you recall the game where Firebringer was scum with Xtoxm Traitor, and what's his face as the 3rd scum? There's something strange going on here and I 'd like for you to try to look at that game. I'm going to dig into that game as well (moderated by chamber). I think that may help us in discerning alignment for Mr. X.

I had forgotten about that game but at first glance the ISOs here and there seem a bit different. Don't want to make any conclusions from that immediately, but I'll be paying more attention in the future.

Useless post

UNVOTE:

Hi, not caught up, but Zach is better now.

OK...

@Wake

no I knew you were talking about Titus

, thought I was being pretty clear in what I wrote

I said I'd give detailed reasons tonight,

but i liked how you implied I wasn't skilled

and wouldn't catch on to whatever Titus would try pulling

You're not being consistent.

You say you knew I was talking about Titus, but earlier you said I implied you weren't skilled.

I never said you weren't skilled.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Mirhawk, you know you're to respond.

I don't see a lack of consistency here.

Defending me

BEETLEJUICING IN

You think nosferatu is town? Based on what, his gut feel about implosion?

and this... i also don't understand why nos gets freebie towncred

I'm just that good man

nah, but I actually fell behind, reading up from last post

Now responds to Lapsa, who we know to have been town

Lapsa why do you tr me and what're these problems with Nos?

you seem kind a consistent enough with previous games

nos is lurking

Come to think of it, Nos was more active in a game I played with him in , last year. Still doing catchup but what I've seen so far, isn't much from Nos other than throwing shade on imp. He never elaborated on that either.

that was a tonal thing. It wasn't awkward-scum but like not-stepping-on-anyones-toes-scum.

Not really sure what's being said here

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

Responds to Boem before replacing out

[Dunnstral]

@Zach can I get you to explain why performer?

He's been a wallflower this entire game in terms of gamesolving, no solid stances because all of his stances are so flexible that they can switch at any time for any reason. He does not commit to anything that he can't weasel out of. If you don't believe me, read his ISO.

That is all.

VOTE: Performer

And he soft defended Vedith.

i dont like a50 lynch


scum are gonna coast through this game

How about that fabled implosion lynch did you see his post

what about that post pinged you?

Can you point out where Performer soft defended Vedith?

[Dunnstral]

So you're not townreading mirhawk?

Hey, guess what...

[Dunnstral]

Uh

{Titus, Varsoon, Agar, Beeboy, Transcend} These are town
{Wake} This may be town

>_> I got no scum reads.
Waiting on my main man Varsoon to come in!

...?

[Dunnstral]

Transcend you need to explain why you're voting implosion from like day 1

[Dunnstral]

freedom

[Dunnstral]

Your OTHER partner, huh?

[Dunnstral]

But Lapsa didn't flip mafia. So..?

I was explaining my reason for shooting who I did.

Again, I don't see any real scummy posts from Mirhawk. I'd like to actually see him post! I don't have a strong read one way or another, honestly.

That's reason enough to be voting him.

[Dunnstral]

FOS: Transcend

[Dunnstral]

I know you like to relive your life story and talk about how you got modkilled but that has nothing to do with this game so..........................

[Dunnstral]

By the way Performed is town so I insist you cease this wagon immediately

[Dunnstral]

I hammered Vedith

[Dunnstral]

I'M WILLING TO MOVE

Nobody has a GOOD reason to get performer

[Dunnstral]

Zach wants to get performer because he's replacing out is basically the core part of his case

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Performer

[Dunnstral]

3) Supposedly shoot someone N1 who was pretty obviously town off of a few factors D1.

Did you ever indicate that you thought Lapsa was town day 1?

[Dunnstral]

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

You're worse

[Dunnstral]

Your main point out of that is that Titus and Dunn are scum.

Best part is he keeps shoving it my face like I'm supposed to analyze it

Like ok

[Dunnstral]

Guess what






What if Nos didn't talk to his partners at all?

12 posts

[Dunnstral]

"What other players were saying and doing"

OK but...

I hammered vedith in the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And I was trying to figure out Titus on my own and you were butting in the way

[Dunnstral]

OK.

Show me other players actions that aren't Me, Titus, or Zach and I'm all ears. What did you want to point out?

[Dunnstral]

Boem was taken aback in 966 about Transcend thinking Nos was Town, like Boem was questioning it.

This is an actual scum tell in my mind. Though I was townreading Boem I'd be willing to take another look at him

Well for one did you know that implosion early on was worried about Nos in 295?

Also Scum-Nos implied he had bad vibes on implosion and peregrine went and agreed with that false sentiment.

OK but that could be nothing and I don't see any implications here

When I was arguing with you around 840 Nos interjected on your behalf, defending you.

Yeah we should definitely take a closer look at that

...

Well, just consider me as not mafia and think about what this interaction could mean for other people

Performer did question Lapsa once about having problems with the Scum-slot.

Lapsa clearly had Nos at the bottom of his list and called him a lurker. Lapsa's a piece of the puzzle and we should search for player reactions to Lapsa for more clues.

First part may be something depending on what actually happened

[Dunnstral]

...

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty sure it's going to be shot down by a grown up

So... you're like a little kid?

1) Newbie games are 9:2 with a smattering of PRs, so I extrapolated from that to get 19:3 or 19:4 in this one

Games are balanced around 13 players, 10 town 3 mafia all the time. Suggesting that we have SIXTEEN town and three mafia is silly
(Note: There is 19 players in this game, not 19 town)

2) I speculated about what the roles would be, based on what's flipped and what has been claimed. I feel like I shouldn't go in to detail in case it's anti town but will if you want (I'm probably wrong anyway)
3) I think we are looking at a 'half mafia' player for balance, i.e. the traitor role

So we have:

Miller
Macho town
Jailkeeper
1-shot Vig

Mafia Naepolitan

As claims
And from that you got "mafia bulletproof traitor"

I mean it's fine to assume there's 5 mafia with one being a traitor (though that's pretty strong in scum numbers) but don't act like the roleclaims point to traitor when they don't

4) Titus claimed Masons with Dunn, with no way of knowing (if Titus is town) what Dunn's role is. I think this could actually be a way of Traitor Titus letting the main mafia faction know who she is. I think Titus might only know who one of the mafiosi is, not both of them, so she tried to save what she saw as the beginnings of a Dunn wagon using a strategy so implausible no one would believe it
5) This fits with Titus's claims that she can't tell us why Dunn is town without breaking the rules - what she's really saying is that she knows Dunn is scum but can't say why without revealing her role PM

How does a mafia traitor claiming mason with a mafia member let mafia know that they're the traitor, and not some random townie?

6) Titus' early play, to me, fits the 'bad townie' role, and she has now toned it down I think after losing the other scum

As opposed to you, who's been playing the bad person role by trying to get people modkilled?

Nothing you've done has contributed to town (except the vedith quickwagon). I bet you'd like to think you have, but you've only served to muddy the waters
(annoyingly, I'm pretty confident that you are town)

7) I do think this could be, as Zach says in 872, the best scum gambit of 2016

Thoughts?

You ignored, or forgot, that I also claimed 1-shot vig.

Here's my thoughts:

1. Start over without being tunneled on me and Titus.
2. The scum team isn't me and Vedith with Titus mafia traitor in a 19 person game. Point out things other people have done
3. In post 3012 you're sheeping me. What made you change your mind since then?

[Dunnstral]

Nah you can't say this either, you went along with the mason shit, you assumed she was town or you're handing Wake a free lynch card and if you keep talking like that it just might slip into his hands

I was talking about day 2.

Of course you were butting in with him so

[Dunnstral]

fos: Transcend

[Dunnstral]

5) Trying to get someone modkilled is not naughty if you think that person is scum. Win at any cost.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Mirhawk

[Dunnstral]

Beeboy what are you doing right now...?

[Dunnstral]

AGar, do you have scum reads besides Titus?

I'm willing to listen to them if you don't like the mirhawk lynch.

[Dunnstral]

I've actually started to suspect Boem a bit more

Why Performer?

[Dunnstral]

I don't know why wake brought up posts like that


Speaking of posts transcend has 220 of them but hasn't really said anything, this guy is slimy

[Dunnstral]

Though I think he's town

[Dunnstral]

There was also some shade on Mirhawk D1 if I remember correctly.

Probably from me

[Dunnstral]

I agree, implosion has been pretty suspicious huh

VOTE: Mirhawk

[Dunnstral]

We won. This Dunn is the same Dunn and I could tell from very early on that it is the same Dunn. I couldn't say that though bc rules. I couldn't let Dunn be lynched either.

Note: The mod never put me in the dead thread and I never knew your final alignment from that game. I was serious when I said I townread you from this game alone

[Dunnstral]

OK I read the whole thing and wake needs to shut up

podoboq is a bad lynch though

Anyone else notice that Mirhawk came in and voted me? lol

[Dunnstral]

Hey trust me

This disappearing act of Mirhawk's is cornered scum, and he can't come up with anything to say

[Dunnstral]

I don't see it

Which is why I've been asking for an implosion case all game