New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Wake1]

Look at shannon's latest votes. She needs to be lynched.

[Wake1]

vc ~

Titus (3):

Lapsa, Varsoon, Wake88

Vedith (10):

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

AGar (4):

Airick10, Almost50, podoboq, implosion

shannon (2):

Vedith, Mirhawk

Not Voting:

[Wake1]

I don't trust Titus, Transcend, shannon, Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon, or Dunnstral.

IF Vedith flips IC we need to focus on and lynch within his wagon.

[Wake1]

How the hell do you guys not ask for someone to claim before hammering Day 1?

He could have been a COP!

I hate being stuck with bad players.

You ALWAYS have someone at L1

claim

first. You denied the chance altogether!!!

[Wake1]

Did I really

To be fair nobody called l-2 or l-1 or anything

Sorry guys, I'm pissed off now.

Does this guy even know how to play?

Yeah let's throw due diligence and caution out the fucking window.

[Wake1]

Did I really

To be fair nobody called l-2 or l-1 or anything

Well, I think noone gives a fuck anyway.
To be fair, you didn't call L-1 either and it's either L-1 or L now.

Eh don't worry about it, I'm really good at lynching people without claims

[Wake1]

vc ~

Titus (3):

Lapsa, Varsoon, Wake88

Vedith (10):

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

AGar (4):

Airick10, Almost50, podoboq, implosion

shannon (2):

Vedith, Mirhawk

Not Voting:

Already counted them.

[Wake1]

@Wake you're not the mod though

No, but I do have a brain and the ability to count.

[Wake1]

How the hell do you guys not ask for someone to claim before hammering Day 1?

He could have been a COP!

I hate being stuck with bad players.

You ALWAYS have someone at L1

claim

first. You denied the chance altogether!!!

Relying on town power to win the game weakens the focus on day-play and mitigates what people do during the day. Very rare is one town PR enough to sway the course of the game. Also, if Vedith was an IC, he should have had the mod confirm that shit as soon as he became a leading wagon, instead of soft-claiming like a scumbag who was trying to buy time. He played the role wrong, end of story.

I disagree, and now I'm feeling I misread you.

Nowhere

did I mention 'relying on Town power to win,' buddy. The

main

point in that post was that you

don't

hammer someone without having them claim, first. Your first two sentences have

zero

bearing. Regardless of PR you allow the player at L1 to claim, and whatever that players does claim

makes a difference

. There are

different ways

to play power roles, but are

specific general guidelines

on how to play Mafia. Generally you don't auto-hammer a player at L1 before they have a chance to claim,

or before people even realize it's L1

.

[Wake1]

POST VEDITH [MAFIA NEOPOLITAN] FLIP

0173 - Nosferatu votes Zach
0177 - Titus: 'Welcome to the townreads Nos.'
0178 - Nosferatu: 'I get such bad vibez from implosion man'
0179 - Transcend: 'nos is leaning town.'
0295 - implosion: 'W/e I guess I probably shouldn't worry too much about him if he's town he'll make it apparent to me. But Nos is worrisome.'
0300 - Peregrine agrees with 178 about bad vibes on implosion
0325 - Almost50 responding to Dunnstral's comment on Nos: 'hardly suggests you're town reading him too.' [More to it]
0403 - implosion: 'Nos is probably town if I had to hazard a guess. The focus on vibes from me seems like an odd thing to be the only thing he's mentioned as scum.'
0419 - Lapsa: 'i actually got problems with Nos. although i haven't been thorough on that read'
0540 - Zach: 'If anyone's opposed to lynching a V/LA we can switch to Nos as I'm fine with that.'
0592 - 'Hi, not caught up, but Zach is better now.'
0739 - Lapsa has Nosferatu as Scum on bottom of list
0840 - Me vs Dunnstral: 'I don't see a lack of consistency here.'
0842 - Dunnstral: 'Nos I'm glad you came out of the shadows to white knight me but have you read the rest of the game?'
0843 - Zach about Nosferatu: 'I'm kinda comfy with voting that slot.'
0965 - Transcend: 'yeah well i think nos is town.'
0966 - Boem: 'You think nosferatu is town? Based on what, his gut feel about implosion? Your reads are weird man, you are too quick to jump to conclusions.'
1033 - Performer: 'Lapsa why do you tr me and what're these problems with Nos?'
1036 - Lapsa: 'nos is lurking'
1095 - Zach: 'I agree with your Nosferatu read, Wake.'
1127 - Zach: 'I'm down with nosferatu, implosion and maybe PeregrineV and shannon lynches.'
1129 - Zach: 'I'm more comfortable with killing Nos. Killing him dead.'
1132 - Titus: 'I am fine with a Nos lynch, not my favorite but acceptable.'
1137 - Wake: 'Zach, Performer, Titus, Dunnstral, Podoq. Vote Nosferatu please.'
1138 - Titus: 'OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.'
1141 - Performer: 'I can concur that Nos has been void of substance in his ISO, and for no good reason. '
1162 - Zach:

'Performer
Podoboq
Nosferatu


Top to bottom, least to most.'

1183 - Titus: 'I think it's a town replace out. We cannot mention ongoing though.'
1184 - Nos @ Boem: 'that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.'

1221 - Zach: 'Nos is the lynch let's go'
1222 - Dunn: 'What if I want to get sickofit'
1223 - Titus: 'Nos isn't on my list, so no.'
1224 - podoboq: 'VOTE: nosferatu. I'm OK with this.'

1237 - Zach: '

Why exactly are you opposed to lynching Nosferatu?

'
1238 - Titus:

1. There's nothing scummy in his ISO.
2. The subout was really townie.
3. Wake wants to lynch him and is pushing it.
4. Wake is willing to lynch Sick of it and not pushing it.
5. Every single other push by Wake (myself, Dunn, boem) lately has been obvious town, so anything he wants I am opposed to.
6. Any reason given to lynch Nos fits others better.

1286 - Boem: 'Both Nosferatu and Sickofit could be mafia who just gave up and left the game so I'm fine with lynching either of them.'
1299 - Titus: 'Umm Nos did gather heat and has a wagon. He subbed out so someone more engaged could play. That's townie.'
1305 - Performer:

Before the page 47 behaviors from Zach + Wake, I was thinking Nos was a good place to go too. I was even tr on Wake , as it seemed he was figuring things out logically and wanted feedback on his reads lists, which looked like he was trying involve folks.
Then I voted Trans, agreed with him about scummy Nos before the replace-out post, he asked me to vote Nos and he wasn't even voting Nos at that point, I turned down the request since starting a new wagon was pointless, then his 1159 placed me as scum, as scum, Zach suddenly came out with 1162 placing me as scum too .

Boem, tell me how many games total have you played , as well as how many large normals you've played? When I was newer to FM, I used to think scum was more likely to replace out, but down the road I found town was more likely. It also depends on the situation. In this case, Nos stated replace out due to too many games. Zach and Wake's egregious pushes on that slot also made me lean town on that slot . I've seen this happen before.

VOTE: Wake

1445 - Dunnstral won't vote Nos: 'Switch to sickofit'
1460 - Dunnstral: 'Nosferatu was town'

1501 - Zach: Has Nosferatu as Scumread
1541 - Dunnstral: 'all the lurkers except nos'
1628 - Zach: 'It's a fucking billion lightyears ahead of it because Nos(Now Vedith) is scum and I've already said Sickofit is a mislynch.'
1641 - Zach: VOTE: Vedith
1651 - Transcend: 'Pretty sure implosion is mafia and nos was right about him'
1710 - Dunnstral @ Zach: 'Why even are you voting nos'

1891 - Vedith:

Hello all.
More shortly!

Titus - give me the down low please

1902 - Vedith: '

Titus had a very strong argument to being town. Detail why I should vote her.

'
1922 - Vedith:

Well Titus is absolutely stupid there for claiming regardless of the reason.
Not sure how I feel on this, would Titus be so bold as scum here? However, I'm seeing it more as role hunting rather than saving.
Why would Titus put the chance in someone without knowing their role. And the only way she can know Dunn's role is either as Mason or scum (which she has confirm that she isn't Mason).

UNVOTE: Whoever I'm voting
VOTE: Titus

2073 - Boem: 'Your posts are complete shit. You are fitting replacement for Nosferatu.'
2099 - Zach: 'And you guys are smoking PCP if you don't want to lynch Vedith every time he speaks. We're not lynching Titus, god damn it it's an obvious ML.'

2117 - Wake:

Nosferatu did not provide content.

Why exactly are you all going after Vedith?

Give me a sentence or two. Some sort of content.

2118 - Dunnstral: 'He's Mafia'

*Around 2101 players started to shift against Vedith, and though I Scumread Nosferatu I was fooled by Vedith. I had been willing to ignore the previous slot-occupier in order to be fair.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Titus

[Wake1]

Beeboy, join me in voting Titus.

[Wake1]

Look at their actions regarding Nosferatu.

[Wake1]

Zach, WTF.

Look at their actions.

[Wake1]

2117 - Wake:

Nosferatu did not provide content.

Why exactly are you all going after Vedith?

Give me a sentence or two. Some sort of content.

2118 - Dunnstral: 'He's Mafia'

This actually pisses me off. Dunnstral never wanted to vote Vedith/Nos slot in the first place.

Meaning that Dunnstral pisses you off?

[Wake1]

Why kill Lapsa???

FINALLY we have some real data to chew on.

Going back to start and look at interactions.

[Wake1]

I need more feedback on 2753.

[Wake1]

We should be looking more at

early

player interactions with Nosferatu, not Vedith.

[Wake1]

Titus in my opinion should be the lynch for today.

Before Vedith started messing up on that slot there was Nosferatu, and what we should do is pay attention to all of the player interactions involving Nosferatu.

Throughout Nosferatu's existence Zach has been fine with voting/lynching Nosferatu.

Take note in my 2753 that Lapsa was right about Nosferatu in 419, 739, and 1036.

Transcend was favorable to Nosferatu in 179 and 965.

Titus refused to vote for Nosferatu in 1138 because I voted for Nosferatu.

I'm townreading Zach and Scumreading Titus right now.

[Wake1]

Nosferatu

tried to cast doubt on implosion in 178, and implosion said in 295 that

Nos

is worrisome. Although in 403 implosion said

Nos

is probably town if he had to hazard a guess.

Titus thought

Nosferatu

was a Town replace-out (1183). Podoboq was OK with voting

Nosferatu

in 1224.

The most damning thing about Titus was her 1238.

In 1222 Dunnstral chose to go after Sick, and in 1445 Dunnstral refused to vote

Nos

and instead said to switch to Sick. And in 1460 Dunnstral again says

Nosferatu

was Town. I don't like Dunnstral's 1541 either.

[Wake1]

Bad Titus.
Whakay is town aligned from the 6 pages of this game I read.

It's

Wake

.

[Wake1]

Beeboy, Zach, Boem, please join my wagon against Titus.

Your actions will mean a lot as the game progresses.

[Wake1]

I need answers on who got in Lapsa's way against nosferatu.

[Wake1]

Wake, do you think scum!Titus would go out of her way to fakeclaim to save DUNN on the grounds that DUNN is OBVTOWN and also connect him to her by fakeclaiming MASONS, then RETRACT THE CLAIM and openly tunnel the same people who were voting her? Where is the sense in that?


Answer me this.

I don't and that's why I'm hesitant to vote Titus. But if the wagons were Wake and Titus, I would not hesitate to vote Titus.

BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE VOTING PERFORMER.

Listen to me please.

Titus is more skilled than you know. I can never be certain what she is doing. Do not underestimate Titus.

At least vote her to pressure her. You don't have to commit to a lynch, but at least get some pressure on her so we can stir up even more invaluable actions and reactions we can analyze later.

[Wake1]

IF THIS IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF OUR DAY WE ARE GOING TO BE FUCKED.

We have not even begun to fight.

[Wake1]

Why did you constantly refuse to vote

Nosferatu

Titus?

[Wake1]

Then let me back out of the thread. Wake is going to do nothing but tunnel me drowning out everyone else, and I read others by iteracting with them and how they interact with others. I will also not be interrupting your Performer push. Wake has to prove himself town. You cannot. I have had some suspicion on Wake since before he entered and his checkbox post didn't help. Cherry picking is scummy. Wake has to do something townie for me to townread him. Which means getting out of the thread so your Performer push can happen and YOU can see you are wrong.

I'd feel much more comfortable backing out of the thread and letting you push Wake so he flips Town LMFAO just to spite you

Have fun see you in a bit

I am not getting lynched today.

The only way Titus will get rid of me is if she NKs me tonight, but she'll also die in the attempt, or one of her teammates.

[Wake1]

IF THIS IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF OUR DAY WE ARE GOING TO BE FUCKED.

We have not even begun to fight.

Hell, I haven't even brought out my Annihilator Beam this game.

[Wake1]

Why did you constantly refuse to vote

Nosferatu

Titus?

Again, I thought e was town and scum Wake wanted it. You backed off Now and pushed me. Vedith also obvscummed the slot.

So, why did you refuse to vote Vedith and instead try to flip the lynch onto me? Why do you refuse to see anything that goes against your predecided tunnel from yesterday?

Like I said I gave Vedith a chance on the slot by ignoring Nos's posts. That went out the window the second that slot flipped Scum.

You aren't the Town Titus I've played with over many games. I look at all the ways you've tried to twist and wriggle and deflect. Even the desperate ones.

Regardless of the Nos/Ved slot I did not trust you, and I still don't trust you. I have played with you longer than some here and I know your level of intellect and skill at this game. I feel I can slightly tell now which alignment you are, based on gut. We will see this game if I am right.

[Wake1]

IF THIS IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF OUR DAY WE ARE GOING TO BE FUCKED.

We have not even begun to fight.

Hell, I haven't even brought out my Annihilator Beam this game.

That's because it's replaced by checkboxes.

Clarify.

[Wake1]

I'm here but not really.

That won't cut it any more.

You're also in my lynchpool.

[Wake1]

I'm a 1-shot vigilante, I shot Lapsa.

...

[Wake1]

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

[Wake1]

I'm not answering dumb questions like that. Get off of Titus and stop asking me stuff

You should know why

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

[Wake1]

So how's my idea of lynching all mason claims looking now? Nice one, Dunn.

Also I don't think I want to play with you again. Not sure why you were blaming me when you were also at fault for not saying L-1 and having voted as well

Take some responsibility for your own actions. I'll hold that hot iron to you.

YOU should have checked to see if your target was at L1 before placing your vote.

If I can do it every game with no issues, you can do it as well.

[Wake1]

Quickly going to VOTE: Agar for no reason other than his is the majority wagon and I want to help town lynch *someone* today.

Wake I'm townreading you at the moment, but I don't like your tone at the start of this game. We lynched a strong mafia PR, you should chill a little. Stay focused and do scumhunting of course, but you're acting too bossy.[/quote]

I'm hunting Titus at the moment, in spite of you running interference. And I'm not 'acting bossy,' either. If you're going to say so you ought to explain yourself with links. And how exactly is Neopolitan as strong Mafia PR?

As for my tone I don't particularly care about your personal issues. All I care about is solving this puzzle. All those interactions by Titus regarding Nosferatu is deserving of scrutiny. Why are you ignoring my 2753? I collected all of those actions, and I want you to provide actual feedback. Not just an 'oh, yeah, that, uh-huh' or dead silence. Say something! At least try to show me that you give a damn about the game, and are interested in a list of Day 1 actions.

[Wake1]

So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa, and if Dunnstral actually is what he says he is then he also targeted Lapsa. What the HELL did Lapsa ever do to you guys?

But seriously, I'm beginning to feel we're not in Multi-ball. Either it's ScumvTown and they killed Lapsa, or Dunnstral is Town and Mafia attempted to kill someone else and they failed. OR Dunn and Scum both targeted Lapsa... but why?

Players are never killed for no reason, and I want Dunnstral to explain why he killed Lapsa.

Should we entertain the notion that if there's a Town PR like Jailkeeper or Roleblocker they should out who they targeted? If there's a Doctor or some other protective Town role he or she should stay quiet about it.

[Wake1]

So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa

Why are you assuming it's multi-ball

when there was only one kill? Which I claimed

I don't think mafia would target lapsa. I think it was doctored or roleblocked (and yes, if it was a roleblocker type they should out it)

Do not

put words in my mouth.

I consider the possibilities. I do not assume.

If you're Town,

don't do that

.

[Wake1]

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

[Wake1]

I think I'm going to reread implosion, that gut read by Nosferatu was weird.

Boem, Dunnstral will not tell me why he killed Lapsa.

As Town, aren't you curious?

[Wake1]

UH I was selling Lapsa/Mirhawk/A50 all day yesterday and ALL 3 were off the mafia wagon

It's still worth getting A50 and Mirhawk imo

Probably no kill from mafia because I got docced.

OK, so you killed Lapsa because he was one of the three you were selling all day yesterday.

Fine. Knowing this, what exactly about Lapsa Day 1 was the reason for killing him?

What made you go "Gee, I've got this bullet, and I need to put it in one of these fuckers—I choose this one."

[Wake1]

I don't trust Dunnstral or Titus. Way too defensive and flaily.

I'm least inclined to vote Zach or podoboq today.

[Wake1]

Varsoon's constant lack of presence and engagement has me wondering.

[Wake1]

If Lapsa flipped mafia, there would be strong associative evidence for mirhawk and A50.

I still think A50 is scummy

You talk about associative evidence yet you shat on my 2753.

You're bending yourself backwards buddy.

[Wake1]

We COULD be in multi-ball also if Dunn is on one team and the other team either failed or targeted the same player, but I think the 2nd team failing to kill would be more likely.

[Wake1]

I don't think Zach is on the same team as Nosferatu.

[Wake1]

POST VEDITH [MAFIA NEOPOLITAN] FLIP

0173 - Nosferatu votes Zach
0177 - Titus: 'Welcome to the townreads Nos.'
0178 - Nosferatu: 'I get such bad vibez from implosion man'
0179 - Transcend: 'nos is leaning town.'
0295 - implosion: 'W/e I guess I probably shouldn't worry too much about him if he's town he'll make it apparent to me. But Nos is worrisome.'
0300 - Peregrine agrees with 178 about bad vibes on implosion
0325 - Almost50 responding to Dunnstral's comment on Nos: 'hardly suggests you're town reading him too.' [More to it]
0403 - implosion: 'Nos is probably town if I had to hazard a guess. The focus on vibes from me seems like an odd thing to be the only thing he's mentioned as scum.'
0419 - Lapsa: 'i actually got problems with Nos. although i haven't been thorough on that read'
0540 - Zach: 'If anyone's opposed to lynching a V/LA we can switch to Nos as I'm fine with that.'
0592 - 'Hi, not caught up, but Zach is better now.'
0739 - Lapsa has Nosferatu as Scum on bottom of list
0840 - Me vs Dunnstral: 'I don't see a lack of consistency here.'
0842 - Dunnstral: 'Nos I'm glad you came out of the shadows to white knight me but have you read the rest of the game?'
0843 - Zach about Nosferatu: 'I'm kinda comfy with voting that slot.'
0965 - Transcend: 'yeah well i think nos is town.'
0966 - Boem: 'You think nosferatu is town? Based on what, his gut feel about implosion? Your reads are weird man, you are too quick to jump to conclusions.'
1033 - Performer: 'Lapsa why do you tr me and what're these problems with Nos?'
1036 - Lapsa: 'nos is lurking'
1095 - Zach: 'I agree with your Nosferatu read, Wake.'
1127 - Zach: 'I'm down with nosferatu, implosion and maybe PeregrineV and shannon lynches.'
1129 - Zach: 'I'm more comfortable with killing Nos. Killing him dead.'
1132 - Titus: 'I am fine with a Nos lynch, not my favorite but acceptable.'
1137 - Wake: 'Zach, Performer, Titus, Dunnstral, Podoq. Vote Nosferatu please.'
1138 - Titus: 'OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.'
1141 - Performer: 'I can concur that Nos has been void of substance in his ISO, and for no good reason. '
1162 - Zach:

'Performer
Podoboq
Nosferatu


Top to bottom, least to most.'

1183 - Titus: 'I think it's a town replace out. We cannot mention ongoing though.'
1184 - Nos @ Boem: 'that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.'

1221 - Zach: 'Nos is the lynch let's go'
1222 - Dunn: 'What if I want to get sickofit'
1223 - Titus: 'Nos isn't on my list, so no.'
1224 - podoboq: 'VOTE: nosferatu. I'm OK with this.'

1237 - Zach: '

Why exactly are you opposed to lynching Nosferatu?

'
1238 - Titus:

1. There's nothing scummy in his ISO.
2. The subout was really townie.
3. Wake wants to lynch him and is pushing it.
4. Wake is willing to lynch Sick of it and not pushing it.
5. Every single other push by Wake (myself, Dunn, boem) lately has been obvious town, so anything he wants I am opposed to.
6. Any reason given to lynch Nos fits others better.

1286 - Boem: 'Both Nosferatu and Sickofit could be mafia who just gave up and left the game so I'm fine with lynching either of them.'
1299 - Titus: 'Umm Nos did gather heat and has a wagon. He subbed out so someone more engaged could play. That's townie.'
1305 - Performer:

Before the page 47 behaviors from Zach + Wake, I was thinking Nos was a good place to go too. I was even tr on Wake , as it seemed he was figuring things out logically and wanted feedback on his reads lists, which looked like he was trying involve folks.
Then I voted Trans, agreed with him about scummy Nos before the replace-out post, he asked me to vote Nos and he wasn't even voting Nos at that point, I turned down the request since starting a new wagon was pointless, then his 1159 placed me as scum, as scum, Zach suddenly came out with 1162 placing me as scum too .

Boem, tell me how many games total have you played , as well as how many large normals you've played? When I was newer to FM, I used to think scum was more likely to replace out, but down the road I found town was more likely. It also depends on the situation. In this case, Nos stated replace out due to too many games. Zach and Wake's egregious pushes on that slot also made me lean town on that slot . I've seen this happen before.

VOTE: Wake

1445 - Dunnstral won't vote Nos: 'Switch to sickofit'
1460 - Dunnstral: 'Nosferatu was town'

1501 - Zach: Has Nosferatu as Scumread
1541 - Dunnstral: 'all the lurkers except nos'
1628 - Zach: 'It's a fucking billion lightyears ahead of it because Nos(Now Vedith) is scum and I've already said Sickofit is a mislynch.'
1641 - Zach: VOTE: Vedith
1651 - Transcend: 'Pretty sure implosion is mafia and nos was right about him'
1710 - Dunnstral @ Zach: 'Why even are you voting nos'

1891 - Vedith:

Hello all.
More shortly!

Titus - give me the down low please

1902 - Vedith: '

Titus had a very strong argument to being town. Detail why I should vote her.

'
1922 - Vedith:

Well Titus is absolutely stupid there for claiming regardless of the reason.
Not sure how I feel on this, would Titus be so bold as scum here? However, I'm seeing it more as role hunting rather than saving.
Why would Titus put the chance in someone without knowing their role. And the only way she can know Dunn's role is either as Mason or scum (which she has confirm that she isn't Mason).

UNVOTE: Whoever I'm voting
VOTE: Titus

2073 - Boem: 'Your posts are complete shit. You are fitting replacement for Nosferatu.'
2099 - Zach: 'And you guys are smoking PCP if you don't want to lynch Vedith every time he speaks. We're not lynching Titus, god damn it it's an obvious ML.'

2117 - Wake:

Nosferatu did not provide content.

Why exactly are you all going after Vedith?

Give me a sentence or two. Some sort of content.

2118 - Dunnstral: 'He's Mafia'

*Around 2101 players started to shift against Vedith, and though I Scumread Nosferatu I was fooled by Vedith. I had been willing to ignore the previous slot-occupier in order to be fair.

I'm going to check Lapsa's interactions with other players.

I want more feedback on this post please.

[Wake1]

I'm going to check Lapsa's interactions with other players.

....

I shot him dude

I know that.

I want to see how people reacted to

Lapsa

as he went after

Nosferatu

.

[Wake1]

...

[Wake1]

*Reveals

Annihilator Beam

*

[Wake1]

Varsoon

———✹

Why did you never mention Nosferatu?

———✹

Is there anyone you're willing to lynch today?

———✹

Thoughts on Titus and Dunnstral?

[Wake1]

Transcend

———✹

Why was Nosferatu leaning Town in 179?

———✹

Could you explain 965?

———✹

Per 1651 do you still believe implosion is Scum and Nosferatu was right?

[Wake1]

I get why Dunn takes that shot.

Then why?

He said it was because he was after Lapsa and two others, but I want to know the clincher that made him kill Lapsa.

[Wake1]

If you have a point in 2930, make it plain.

[Wake1]

Zach, are you willing to lynch Dunnstral or Titus Day 2?

[Wake1]

If you have a point in 2930, make it plain.

You said don't put words in his mouth but the quotes appear to indicate you are indeed assuming multiball

Zach, are you willing to lynch Dunnstral or Titus Day 2?

only if it's an ultimatum between you/Titus TBH

That was before there was only one kill, which was claimed by the supposed 1-Shot Vig.

SO... you refuse to be willing to lynch Dunnstral or Titus unless they're 1v1'ing me.

OK, let me make a note of that.

...

Alright, who ARE you willing to lynch?

[Wake1]

Dunnstral your list doesn't help. At least briefly say what the player did in each post.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Almost50

I think this is where I want to go today. Titus is absolutely town so back off

If theres a town roleblocker then they

can

out who they targeted but it's not like Dunn's claim actually confirms him. Lapsa also was really, really obvious town from the macho claim (and other things) but he wasn't listening to anything anyone was saying so it's not like it's the biggest deal.

I agree with VC analysis being important here; from my point of view I tend to think either airick or almost50 is scum from it based on the AGar wagon (which, I agree even though I was on it, was probably largely a counterwagon) and a stronger townread on podoboq. I'd say I'm unsure on AGar now. The end result of yesterday is enough to sway me from scumreading him at least for now.

Saying we need to put pressure on Titus is pointless. She had the most pressure applied to her of any player yesterday by far for the entire day.

VOTE: Almost50

Alright, I examined Lapsa's iso

1: He talked to me a lot. This is useless.
2. He suspected Titus. However, I think Titus would have killed me, instead. It looks more like somebody trying to frame Titus, than Titus being actual mafia
3. He was maybe killed if Mirhawk is mafia to do both 2 and try to get suspicion off of mirhawk

Right now, best bet:
VOTE: Mirhawk

It's still perfectly possible A50 is mafia but certainly less likely and certainly not today's lynch so.

Unvote

VOTE: Mirhawk
And i swear if anyone calls this vote opportunistic after what i've been saying today there will be words.

These are also all of Mirhawk's comments on Vedith:

I'm not really feeling Ved, his posts strike me as more newtown then anything else. I could go this way if we have no better options, but eh.

Soft PR claim from Ved.

Some people are voting Titus for one of the Mason gambits, some people are voting Vedith for replacing into a lurker slot then generating little content, and some people are voting AGar for reasons I don't really understand. Smart people are voting Shannon because she keeps making gross posts.

No mention of Nosferatu. No mention of Mirhawk from Vedith except for responding to the latter two of these in 2537 and 2577 both of which I can easily see as S->S. I haven't looked at the iso from mirhawk in depth yet (I've delved a bit more into vedith but not a ton) but these are some pretty lackluster interactions.

I'm OK with this I guess...

Looks a little like implosion is following your vote.

[Wake1]

Implosion is following Dunnstral's two votes (3019).

[Wake1]

I'm not sold on Performer.

We should do the smart thing and actually scrutinize the Nosferatu actions that happened way early on.

[Wake1]

Except he lurked and had minimal interactions

It's not just about

his

interactions, but those of other players

about

him.

Those who voted him, those who refused. We need to look at that.

This is what we do when we have flips. Any experienced player should know this.

[Wake1]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

[Wake1]

Sits and waits for Varsoon.

HEY, don't just wait for Varsoon!

[Wake1]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

I mean GOOD GRIEF why even look at players reactions REGARDING Nos Day 1?

I mean it makes NO SENSE.

It's too tough for our collective Town brains to, you know, work with the Scumflip...?

[Wake1]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

I mean GOOD GRIEF why even look at players reactions REGARDING Nos Day 1?

I mean it makes NO SENSE.

It's too tough for our collective Town brains to, you know, work with the Scumflip...?

???? Why do I have to hold your hand?

HEY!

HEY.

Let's not talk about holding hands when you're not using Nos-flip and associatives, and you seem to be completely fine with the fake-Mafia claimed Vig who killed Town Lapsa.

[Wake1]

I do what I want

I'm beginning to see that's part of the problem!

[Wake1]

Can you elaborate on that? Do you remember just a little bit ago when day started when all you were doing was settling for tunneling Titus -- and vice-versa?

So you're talking about Dunn? So you think both Titus and Dunn are mafia supposedly? And you're doing what?

If you're Scum you need to be careful with your wording because the game is still young! You might make my gut pang differently.

Titus' posts Day 1 were heavily associated with Nos. I don't know you and you might be a bit sub-par as Town but you should be able to see that Titus was saying and doing things regarding Nos.

It's like you didn't read 2752.

I can't tell but at least one of you/Titus/Dunn has got to be Scum. I CAN'T TELL.

[Wake1]

You trust your gut? You wanna see where it leads you? I triple fucking dog dare you. The problem with you guys is you all think you're fucking hotshots, and maybe I do too, but if we play chicken I'm not moving a fucking inch. So maybe get a different pool of three and start coloring names again lol, cause that one kinda sucks.

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

I find it really odd how Day 2 on you keep saying I'm Town yet you find every opportunity to not listen to me and fight against me when I'm trying to get you and everyone else to look at how players behaved early game when it came to Nosferatu. I don't understand why you're doing that. Either you're really, really obtuse, or you're Scum. I mean why else won't you listen? And it doesn't help that Titus and Dunn seem to want to ignore how players defended/pursued Nos early game, either. Look at who actively wanted to lynch him, and who pretty much took him off the table no ifs and or buts. But it's like you just ignore that. I don't know if you're Town and playing dumb, or what. Why won't you listen? Town's expected to be pliable, but you don't even want to work with me and see all the early behaviors

toward

,

about

, and

regarding

Nos/Ved slot.

[Wake1]

I agree that Nos associatives are important but it's not like there's a simple way to just look at all of the player->Nos-slot interactions like there is for looking at the Nos-slot->player interactions through ISO;

the former is tantamount to rereading all of d1

.

I took a good stab at it in 2752.

I don't think people fully appreciate that we actually have a Scum flip this early in the game.

How many players realize just how valuable that really is? Far, FAR more valuable than a VT flip.

[Wake1]

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

You're worse

[Wake1]

Wake for a solid chunk of Day 1 you had a thing for Titus due to the mason claim shit and your gut. It just looks like you saw the scumflip, saw Nos' posts,

all 12 of them

, and then carried that thing on into Day 2. Do not talk to me about pliable.

If you're Town I'm asking you to listen.

It's not just about his 12 posts.

It's also about what the other players were saying and doing.

[Wake1]

Again, you two are not listening.

It's not just about his posts.

It's also about the other players' actions that have things to do with that slot, and what they said about Nosferatu/Vedith.

[Wake1]

"What other players were saying and doing"

OK but...

I hammered vedith in the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And I was trying to figure out Titus on my own and you were butting in the way

You did hammer Vedith in the end, yes.

Any cautious Townies knows the action itself doesn't 100% make you Town or Scum. I once hammered my teammate on page 10.

What I'm trying to say is that we need to ask ourselves questions regarding the Scum flip.

What did Lapsa think of it? He's dead, and Town. Did he suspect it? Defend it? If he suspected and/or pushed it, did any player get in his way or try to distract him? These are important questions. Who was willing to lynch the slot very early on? Zach was. In itself that sorta tells me he's Town because why would he want to kill his partner so very quickly without provocation? Yeah, I once hammered my teammate extremely early and capitalized on it but I don't think that's very common, especially in a large game.

[Wake1]

OK.

Show me other players actions that aren't Me, Titus, or Zach and I'm all ears. What did you want to point out?

Well for one did you know that implosion early on was worried about Nos in 295?

Also Scum-Nos implied he had bad vibes on implosion and peregrine went and agreed with that false sentiment.

When I was arguing with you around 840 Nos interjected on your behalf, defending you.

Boem was taken aback in 966 about Transcend thinking Nos was Town, like Boem was questioning it.

Performer did question Lapsa once about having problems with the Scum-slot.

Lapsa clearly had Nos at the bottom of his list and called him a lurker. Lapsa's a piece of the puzzle and we should search for player reactions to Lapsa for more clues.

[Wake1]

On their own, each of these little puzzle pieces mean little, but when you start fitting all the little pieces together it can make a difference.

[Wake1]

Varsoon, to be honest with you... I'd like to see you take a stance in this game.

With respect I'd like to know where you stand, who you suspect, and who you're not willing to lynch at the moment.

Frankly I feel like you've been very cryptic this game, and if you ARE Town it would really help if you got into the fray, too.

[Wake1]

You don't feel that aggressive—HUNGRY—curiosity because of the Scum PM, right?

[Wake1]

Gotta be, it's tangling up my play, y'know? Got me playing like a scrub.

Wake, I'm sure you posted a bulleted list two pages ago that I neglected to read, but what are your thoughts on the game?

My thoughts on the game?

I'll tell you my thoughts on the game!

No, here's my ISO.



I'm annoyed and Town as Hell to the max.

[Wake1]

Why are you billing it as "mirhawk v Performer"?
Neither is voting the other.

Good observation...

+ Varsoon
- Titus

[Wake1]

Why are you billing it as "mirhawk v Performer"?
Neither is voting the other.

They're both scum. That's why. Second, billing it is a really pejorative way of stating the obvious Varsoon.

We have two wholly town wagons that cannot agree with Wake Varsoon and podog desperately trying to sell a Titus wagon again.

It's deja vu.

Could you please share why you think they're both Scum Titus?

[Wake1]

@Wake

Performer hard defended Vedith/Nos until things took off. Like always an excuse to vote elsewhere hard defense.

Wait a minute.

You

hard-defended Nosferatu/Vedith until things took off and made excuses to vote elsewhere.

[Wake1]

Why the low profile Peregrine? Is this normal?

You have 31 posts out of 3204. Dunnstral has 587.

Doesn't make you Scum, but it does say you haven't contributed that much.

Same with AGar, shannon, and Airick to some extent.

[Wake1]

Considering we have 11 days left, I feel like people should slow down a bit.

[Wake1]

vc 2.04

Titus (2):

Wake88, podoboq

Performer (3):

Zachstralkita, Titus, AGar

implosion (5):

, Airick10, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, beeboy, Varsoon

Mirhawk (5):

shannon, implosion, Almost50, PeregrineV, Dunnstral

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

Not Voting:

, Performer,

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

So Dunn revoted Mirhawk twice in a row. Did he say why he moved there from Performer?

A lot of these recent votes are pinging my gut hard. More analysis fodder for Day 3.

Not liking how Varsoon went from Boem immediately to Mirhawk and then Implosion. With his vote both major wagons are at 5 votes each.

[Wake1]

I don't feel it on either of these wagons, and for some reason becoming increasingly suspicious of multiple players. I don't want to think this is multi-ball, but it feels like two forces outside of Town are trying to wrestle for control. Had these SAME feelings that last time I was in a large game with multi-ball. Blame it on experience.

Not trusting Titus, Dunn, Varsoon, or Beeboy. AGar pokes in to bitch about quality over quantity in spite of not doing much: remind me to SAY THE SAME CRAP when we're 4,000 posts into a game and I only have 20 posts. I'd like to think podo is Town. Same with Zach solely because he wasn't apprehensive about lynching Nos: however, if it's multi-ball that would make sense, too. I keep forgetting Almost, Boem, mirhawk, implosion, performer, and peregrine are in the game. Can't get a rid on Varsoon and I simply don't trust Dunn and Titus at the moment. Oh, I forgot shannon's in the game as well. I wonder if this game will be like past games where I'm completely right about something but no matter how hard I try it falls on deaf ears... and then I start cracking skulls in the Dead Thread. LOL.

[Wake1]

@Wake, Agar has done plenty. He obvtowned. Some players don't need as many posts as I do.

You attempting to only throw shade at obvtown players is why I cannot trust you. You're acting like a caged hen with nowhere to go.

You're very slimy this game, which is why I believe you're Scum. Town-Titus makes an effort to be fair instead of underhandedly trying to explain away every suspicious action out there. *waves hand dismissively*

[Wake1]

Pododboq if you're Town and you want to live, follow me. I need you to come in here and be more active—at least with me—and share more of your thoughts on this game.

I'll be waiting for you to post.

[Wake1]

If you're not going to revote on Performer I can do a podo wagon


But the rest of you fucks may just let scum kill us all

Zach do you think Titus calling Podo terribly anti-Town is justified considering she lied to us about being Town Masons?

[Wake1]

Why are you threatening podog Wake? He's doing exactly what you are but less dramatically so.

VOTE: podog

Ok, but you are carrying the weight here. My cold is bad plus scum will paint this as evil omgus.

Only Scum-Titus puts words in my mouth at every opportunity. Nowhere did I threaten Podo and if you don't retract that I'll ask the game mod to intervene, because now you're crossing the line.

And by the by why exactly are you throwing everything you just said prior to now vote Podo? You REALLY want people off your wagon, don't you?

[Wake1]

To everyone not blind who isn't Titus/Zach, look at how they're voting Podo because I'm reaching out to him to work with me in-thread.

Those with a modicum of common sense would notice these actions.

[Wake1]

Yo Wake chill the fuck out real quick if you say " Podo if you're town come in here and help me" that obviously implies if podo doesn't come in here and interact and help you that he is scum in your eyes. That is how those statements work. That is kind of a threat.

What planet are you living on?

Boem

,

Implosion

,

Mirhawk

,

Varsoon

,

shannon

, all of you I am asking to come in here and give your thoughts on.

[Wake1]

@Wake "if you want to live" isn't a threat to kill him in game? Asking a game mod to intervene because I read you as threatening to lynch someone like wtf my cold is bad but not THAT bad.

Stop twisting words!

I see Scum trying to get Podo lynched. It's obvious to me, especially since he's on your wagon.

Wake, I'm too lazy to do your ISO but I recall you townreading/defending podoboq. Why?

Because he Townslipped in the past and he hasn't done anything to make me feel he's Scum.

Why won't you vote for Titus or Dunn considering they blatantly lied to us?

[Wake1]

Airick if you're Town I need you in here to comment on these last two pages.

You and podo feel I'm Town you should join me in a Townbloc, because I do not like how these hidden forces are moving and manipulating us.

This goes for you too, Boem. If any of you three think I am Town, JOIN ME, and we will change this game.

[Wake1]

Yo Wake chill the fuck out real quick if you say " Podo if you're town come in here and help me" that obviously implies if podo doesn't come in here and interact and help you that he is scum in your eyes. That is how those statements work. That is kind of a threat.

What planet are you living on?

Boem

,

Implosion

,

Mirhawk

,

Varsoon

,

shannon

, all of you I am asking to come in here and give your thoughts on.

I think I ... don't care?

I predict doing podoboq ISO in my near future.

@Wake where did podoboq townslip?

Way back when he thought I was in a Scum PT when I wasn't, and it was proved I was telling the truth yet again.

That right there was a blatant Towntell to me.

If you're Town I need you join me Boem. This isn't my first rodeo, and I need to know there are sane Townies out there willing to actually listen.

[Wake1]

Implosion

&

Mirhawk

.

If either of you are Town, and you believe I am Town, it actually is in your best interest to follow me right now, because your heads are on the line.

What do you think of the people on your wagons? Do you feel they're justified, or do you feel some of them are lying?

If you realize that I'm frustrated obvTown the game can be changed on its head if you follow me and we decide who should be lynched instead.

Join me in a Townbloc with certain other players. You don't have to stay in it, but there's strength in numbers and at the moment either of you or podo can be lynched. If you're Town you don't want that, and if you are a Town PR you don't want to have to claim, either. Join me so all of that can be prevented before it even begins. If you don't join me, then you can deal with your wagon on your own. If you're Town it's the smartest thing you can do, and if you're Scum in this bloc you'll be sorted out eventually.

[Wake1]

Boem if you haven't ingested crack cocaine in your lifetime you need to see how dumb Wake is being and how he's acting like my posts aren't there

I appreciate it

You're that stubborn player who won't listen to me, even when I'm obvTown. If you're like that, why should I care about anything you have to say?

Even if you're Town you're hurting Town by constantly finding reasons to not listen. You scream that I'm Town and that you won't allow me to be lynched, but you actively

get in my way

every chance you get. I'm here to solve this game and find Scum, and if you're going to be the Town Obstacle I'm just going to walk around you, fuck whatever you say.

[Wake1]

Pododboq if you're Town and you want to live, follow me. I need you to come in here and be more active—at least with me—and share more of your thoughts on this game.

I'll be waiting for you to post.

Honesty time!

This game has taken a back seat to just about everything else I'm doing, because I am super demoralized having to play this game with the incredibly fun suck that is Titus's mason gambit. It's bad play, and the way she's treated other people I consider disrespectful, unsportsmanlike, and unsettling to the point that it made me want to replace out. Instead of doing that, I've decided to just read, refrain from posting often, and only jump in if I need to dodge a prod or if there's something that's legit worth discussing that I think nobody else is going to bring up.

There have been two RL days since day 2 started. Most of it has been nothing. I still don't see any case on Performer (WHY IS NOBODY ACTUALLY EXPLAINING THEIR SCUMREAD ON PERFORMER) or Mirhawk (WHY), so I'm just sitting back watching. Plus, my biggest problem in games like this has usually been talking too much. So I'm trying out being quiet. Especially since I was a huge townread of other players, I thought backing off and letting other people have the spotlight would be a good idea.

Whatever you do don't replace out.

Gimme a second.

[Wake1]

Pododboq if you're Town and you want to live, follow me. I need you to come in here and be more active—at least with me—and share more of your thoughts on this game.

I'll be waiting for you to post.

Honesty time!

This game has taken a back seat to just about everything else I'm doing, because I am super demoralized having to play this game with the incredibly fun suck that is Titus's mason gambit. It's bad play, and the way she's treated other people I consider disrespectful, unsportsmanlike, and unsettling to the point that it made me want to replace out. Instead of doing that, I've decided to just read, refrain from posting often, and only jump in if I need to dodge a prod or if there's something that's legit worth discussing that I think nobody else is going to bring up.

There have been two RL days since day 2 started. Most of it has been nothing. I still don't see any case on Performer (WHY IS NOBODY ACTUALLY EXPLAINING THEIR SCUMREAD ON PERFORMER) or Mirhawk (WHY), so I'm just sitting back watching. Plus, my biggest problem in games like this has usually been talking too much. So I'm trying out being quiet. Especially since I was a huge townread of other players, I thought backing off and letting other people have the spotlight would be a good idea.

People are giving Zach/Titus/Dunn way too much power, and at least one of them is pretty stupid, and at least two have lied to us to our faces repeatedly with the Mason lie. Now we're forced to believe that the only kill Night 1 was conveniently by Dunn, the Town '1-Shot' Vig who killed Lapsa. Yeah, no other kills at all. We can't trust Dunn because he already lied to us for over a hundred posts. A thousand even if that's how long the Mason turd gambit went. This Titus is machiavellian, plain and simple. Here I am Town as hell and she keeps twisting my words and telling me that I'm saying things that I'm not, and frankly I remember this from the games we were in where she was Scum.

She's acting that way to destroy Town morale. It's obvious.

If you are Town and you realize I'm Town, work with me on every single issue on this game from this point on and stay active. We need to not allow the lines of communication to break down, and if other players are receptive to listening and sharing we should have them join as well. If we create this Townbloc where we defend each other and stay in constant communication, it'll look insanely suspicious if Scum dared try to target any of us (well, not me, because we'd both be dead).

I'm not convinced by the Performer/implosion/mirhawk cases. Just, no. Scum already lost someone so now they're bound and determined to not see it happen again. Why do you think they're constantly going out of their way to NOT listen? It's blatantly obvious. And Scum thinks writing me off as obvTown but not listening to anything I have to say will placate me somehow, as if that's ever worked.

Engagement is extremely important, so with that posts do come. That's part of the game. The game already has 130 pages, so being real active and participating isn't going to change that one whit. You're better up stepping up to the plate and showing me that you care and that you want to find Scum just as much as I do. Let's work together, and make some changes before we're picked off one by one, exactly how Scum wants it. I really hope implosion and mirhawk are listening and are intent on surviving if they're Town.

[Wake1]

Varsoon, join my Townbloc please.

[Wake1]

@Wake

You're never getting my undying cooperation.

I'm sorry, man, but there's always the chance that your scum, buddying me because I'm an easy target for it. I'm just saying I'm not gonna sheep you. You'll have to sell me on things just like anybody else.

That said, obviously I think you're town, and if we could build a town block (yo Varsoon, AGar, what's up?), maybe we'd be able to remove the players who refuse to cooperate from the game. And hey, maybe some of those players are scum, too.

The beauty of what I'm asking for is that it's NOT undying cooperation.

[Wake1]

A

Dunnstral/Titus

lynch would yield so much information it's not even funny.

You don't have to follow me if you don't want to, but I think better wagons would be on either of those two.

Let's see how people react then.

[Wake1]

Willing to Lynch Titus/Dunnstral Day 2?

(If you're playing please answer with 'Yes' or 'No.')

AGar

~ Yes/No

Airick10

~ Yes/No

Almost50

~ Yes/No

Beeboy

~ Yes/No

Boem_u_dusi

~ Yes/No

Dunnstral

~ Yes/No

implosion

~ Yes/No

Mirhawk

~ Yes/No

PeregrineV

~ Yes/No

Performer

~ Yes/No

podoboq

~ Yes/No

shannon

~ Yes/No

Titus

~ Yes/No

Transcend

~ Yes/No

Varsoon

~ Yes/No

Vedith

~ Yes/No

Zachstralkita

~ Yes/No

[Wake1]

Actually, as far as I can understand, I can confirm two other players as town, but it would take those other players to be willing to out themselves, which, as far as I understand this setup, may not be the best idea.

I believe the vig claim, though. At the very least I have very good reason to believe the claimed extra kill is actually an extra kill.

So, really, before anyone gets lynched, they really need to claim, because I could legitimately just say, "No, that guy is actually town."

We need to hear more on this please.

[Wake1]

Willing to Lynch Titus/Dunnstral Day 2?

(If you're playing please answer with 'Yes' or 'No.')

AGar

~ Yes/No

Airick10

~ Yes/No

Almost50

~ Yes/No

Beeboy

~ Yes/No

Boem_u_dusi

~ Yes/

No

Dunnstral

~ Yes/No

implosion

~ Yes/No

Mirhawk

~ Yes/No

PeregrineV

~ Yes/No

Performer

~ Yes/No

podoboq

~

Yes

/No

shannon

~ Yes/No

Titus

~ Yes/No

Transcend

~ Yes/No

Varsoon

~ Yes/No

Vedith

~ Yes/No

Zachstralkita

~ Yes/No

[Wake1]

OK I read the whole thing and wake needs to shut up

podoboq is a bad lynch though

Anyone else notice that Mirhawk came in and voted me? lol

You can scream all you want, but you don't control anyone here.

It's also ironic considering you've posted far more often than me.

If you're going to tell me to shut up I'll simply dismiss as a lowlife.

[Wake1]

Has preformer claimed?

Not necessary.

VOTE: Performer

Seriously?

[Wake1]

Is this the 2nd time Dunn hammered someone w/o a claim?

If so, this is why I'm frustrated. This is crap.

[Wake1]

Good.

Give him time to claim.

[Wake1]

Nah. We should just get rid of this slot. He's nowhere near my top townreads.

I mean, you're right. So what if he's a Cop or Doc, whatever.

[Wake1]

I can almost feel Almost50's blood pressure rising with each passing moment caused by kraska not claiming.

If he's refusing to claim, VOTE: kraska.

[Wake1]

Kraska, why did you refuse to claim when you were at L1?

[Wake1]

UNVOTE: kraska

I'm torn about kraska's lynch. She refused to claim for God knows why, and Performer only mildly pinged on my radar.

Is it the best move to lynch someone who just replaced in?

Then again... so did Vedith.

[Wake1]

Boem constantly sheeping Dunn does raise a red flag.

VOTE: Borm

If I had to choose between mirhawk and PV I'd lynch the latter because he's just not doing much at all. I would like to hear more from Varsoon as well.

This was me. Sorry!

[Wake1]

Looking at Wake/Titus interactions I'd say it's close to impossible that Wake is town if Titus is also town. Other scenarios are possible.

I can't see either of them getting roped today however.

You'd better explain that Boem, because now you've just reignited my interest in this fucking game.

[Wake1]

Looking at Wake/Titus interactions I'd say it's close to impossible that Wake is town if Titus is also town. Other scenarios are possible.

I can't see either of them getting roped today however.

You'd better explain that Boem, because now you've just reignited my interest in this fucking game.

Both you and Titus have different tone in D2. Titus feels more relaxed and you seem kinda agitated. I see no reason why you should feel agitated because town is in a good spot. Not throwing accusations yet because it's entirely possible that's just some RL stuff or different mood, but we'll see. Regarding your interaction with Titus, I already explained it D1. Several other players expressed similar thougths too if I remember correctly.

And what's up with your vote on me? That's useless, I'm not going today.

I'm agitated because I have to work with certain players who inevitably piss me off, whether intentional or not: that's just the nature of the game and it's not inherently their fault unless they purposely try to behave like dicks. I feel like I've provided a lot in this game and tried pushing for the lynches I want but it falls on deaf ears, and it's annoying because I've had the same thing happen in the past AND I WAS RIGHT! I remember pushing like Hell against certain players in a large game early on and even though I was dead right on the money I just couldn't collect anyone's ears, and it was only after I was dead and it was later in the game did certain people start to come around. It's frustrating when experience has HONED your gut instincts to a sharp-ass razor blade to the point where you feel you can trust your gut better, but it doesn't matter because you suck at persuading people. I'm good at stirring up the waters to catch fish and damned FINE at going for the jugular, but God help me I suck at persuading people and it's infuriating, especially when you know you're right but some people are stubborn and just won't listen. I'm also in four games and stretched so thin that I practically have to pop an Adderall XR and guzzle a pot of coffee just to muster up the energy to get into a game, and only one at a time. I don't know how these fuckers do it when they're in 4+ games and going on and on, like how the fuck do you have time for a social life and school and work? The game's also so Goddamn fucking big and convoluted and twisted that I don't know where the fuck to begin or how to get back in and start unwinding this big fucking mess, like holy fuck I need a Valium and a kilo of pot to do it too.

As Town I get real fucking PISSED OFF at times.

[Wake1]

He hasn't done anything to really IRK my gut. IMO I feel like this is multiball (and you better fucking believe I'm gonna voice my mind on that), and it's hard to tell. Sometimes the people who have the very most resistance to their wagons are Scum, like Titus, Dunnstral, and Zach. If it's MB any one of them could be Scum trying to hunt enemy Scum, and I'll be damned to be so Goddamn fucking naive to think it's unlikely this large game isn't mulitball. End of story.

I'm trying to catch up on other games, and I haven't paid much attention to Mirhawk. I'm not explicitly opposed to it, but I haven't come across any particularly compelling reason why we should LYNCH TEH MIRHAWKS. If it has NOTHING to do we actual information (i.e. the flips), then I need something very compelling to make me want to vote him. Personally my modus operandi is to focus my gameplay on the information we DO have, which is why I value the Vedith and Lapsa flips so much and everything that has to do with them and their interactions with other players and players who have said things to and about them. If someone agreed with Lapsa, it tells me something. If someone disagreed with Vedith, that too tells me something. Flips and associations. Flips and associations. That's my bread and butter and everything else has less credence, to put it bluntly in my honest and respectful opinion.

[Wake1]

Don't forget mine podoboq. You'll have to check my ISO for clues however.

Almost50 says he Jailed Dunnstral, yet Dunnstral says he Vigged Lapsa.

If Almost50 Jailed Dunnstral then Dunnstral couldn't have Vigged Lapsa.

Could players clarify this for me please?

[Wake1]

Don't forget mine podoboq. You'll have to check my ISO for clues however.

Almost50 says he Jailed Dunnstral, yet Dunnstral says he Vigged Lapsa.

If Almost50 Jailed Dunnstral then Dunnstral couldn't have Vigged Lapsa.

Could players clarify this for me please?

Stop rehashing 60 pages ago. Mafia likely shot Lapsa too.

With respect,

no

. I'm

not

going to be quiet because you want it that way.

And why are you bristling at me asking questions? Like who the hell made you arbiter of who asks question. Maybe you should sit down and stop trying to control people and their questions.

[Wake1]

A lynch on either of those two would be beneficial.

[Wake1]

I'm willing to compromise on these lynches Day 2 thus far: Dunnstral, Boem, Titus, Almost50, Peregrine, Transcend.

Didn't include Varsoon because of his crumbing.

If evidence proves MB then everything changes.

[Wake1]

I'm willing to compromise on these lynches Day 2 thus far: Dunnstral, Boem, Titus, Almost50, Peregrine, Transcend.

Didn't include Varsoon because of his crumbing.

If evidence proves MB then everything changes.

The only one of those that is remotely acceptable is PV.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

[Wake1]

Wakes reads are shit for the most part

Can you do it without the nasty attitude?

If you're going to be an asshole if given the chance I'll hammer you just for being one.

I mean wow, how are you helping Town by being a douche?

[Wake1]

Anyone who has even

remote

experience with me knows I'm obvTown as Hell.

That doesn't necessarily mean I'm right most of the time, however. Doesn't sound like kraska has ever played with Town-Wake in the past.

[Wake1]

I don't think anyone bussed Vedith.

brave accusation to be made especially since he got lol hammered

@airick he's been scumming recently. my read on him has been like a rollercoaster, but i'm leaning towards the times i tr'ed him being forced at this point.

Where have I been scumming recently? I've been hopping between Mirhawk/implosion/kraska, sure, but that's about it.

Honestly, you continuously sheeping Dunnstral was a ping on my Scumdar.

I wonder what would happen if we checked voting history and counted how many times you sheeped Dunnstral's votes.

[Wake1]

I think it's reckless to automatically assume NO Scum could have bussed Vedith Day 1.

It's possible, but don't say it was either 100% yes or no when you don't know.

I mean, come on. Be logical. Deal in possibilities, not absolutes, especially when you can't possibly know one way or another.

[Wake1]

I don't think you continuously sheeping Dunnstral is an irrelevant fact and you not making any attempt to responsibly explain it isn't doing you any favors.

[Wake1]

Per 4000 mirhawk is at L4.

[Wake1]

So instead of updating it you just copy/pasted the old one.

OK.

[Wake1]

Hey, Transcend, we need a VC plz.

Just copy/paste the old one here from 100 posts ago K?

[Wake1]

Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

[Wake1]

Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

You mean those 6 towns?

You saying all 6 are Town

does not

make all 6 of them Town.

Mafia 101.

[Wake1]

Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

You mean those 6 towns?

You saying all 6 are Town

does not

make all 6 of them Town.

Mafia 101.

I feel like Wake is town that's just severely misguided

OK, then explain to me with logic how all 6 are Town.

Go ahead and say how you know all of them can't possibly be Scum.

[Wake1]

I think it's reckless to automatically assume NO Scum could have bussed Vedith Day 1.

It's possible, but don't say it was either 100% yes or no when you don't know.

I mean, come on. Be logical. Deal in possibilities, not absolutes, especially when you can't possibly know one way or another.

It's foolish to assume no scum bussed Vedith D1.

But it makes people on Vedith wagon less likely to be scum (individually) because getting rid of a teammate doesn't help your wincon. That's why I'm opposed to lynching people who were on Vedith wagon and I'm trying to focus more on people outside that wagon today. I think Mirhawk's lynch is about 50% chance for us to get scum and Zach's lynch is about 5% chance. See where I'm going with this?

You initially said that all 6 were Town. Don't fucking say that if you acknowledge it's possible that Scum could have been on Vedith's wagon Day 1.

My SOLE contention is that it IS, indeed, possible. Stop trying to change the narrative. If people saw the writing on Vedith's wall then of COURSE it's possible a teammate could have voted for him. I may have done the same if I were Scum.

[Wake1]

But when your mislynch pool is all 6 of them, yeah that's dumb

First of all, you assume all of them are mislynches. I don't.

And no, it's not dumb. Show me exactly why you think otherwise.

[Wake1]

Boem, I understand you've been continuously trying to provoke me with personal digs, but all you're really doing is digging your grave for late game if you're Scum.

If you're Town I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with personal attacks.

[Wake1]

Boem, I understand you've been continuously trying to provoke me with personal digs, but all you're really doing is digging your grave for late game if you're Scum.

If you're Town I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with personal attacks.

You're little hypocritical here, especially after 3952. All I've been trying to say that you are too nitpicky and obsess over unimportant things.

Leave no stone unturned.

[Wake1]

On the condition that this game isn't multi-ball Zach is basically my strongest Townread atm. Irksome, stubborn, annoying... but Townread.

[Wake1]

Zach, why is it that there's barely any resistance to the Mirhawk wagon, yet immense, palpable resistance when it comes to trying to lynch other Scummy players?

[Wake1]

@Zach, no one defended Vedith either but me.

Scum are defending by deflection, not frontal defenses.

But how do you know that?

[Wake1]

I'm not hammering someone I don't feel confident about.

[Wake1]

Zach is wrong dumb town

[Wake1]

Transcend, is Boem in your Lynchpool?

[Wake1]

Transcend, how come I'm suddenly your scumread WITH implosion? That makes no sense to me.
And why are you townreading Mirhawk?

Why exactly are you Scumreading mirhawk?

[Wake1]

Zach, are you willing to move your vote to Boem?

[Wake1]

Wake if you are town, go fuck yourself.

You're not swaying anyone.

[Wake1]

Wake if you are town, go fuck yourself.

OK you can go fuck yourself regardless of your alignment.

I rarely ask game moderators to intervene, but I feel you crossed the line with your personal attacks. That goes against the rules in this game, and you're fortunate I have the self-restraint to not give you a proper, verbal backhand.

[Wake1]

A little bit of go fuck yourselves shouldn't hurt anyone. If we're going to play the modkill game then Vedith should have been the prime contender....

I'm not saying we should be modkilling people for being unfairly dickish. I'm just saying that whenever Wake is transparent and open about his reads and opinions, people call him stupid and tell him to fuck off, even though his reads are justified and fair. It's either townies being unnecessarily cruel, or scum trying to make this game so unfun that players with good reads decide to leave.

Thanks podo.

We'll see exactly how right or wrong I am once this game is over.

[Wake1]

Considering the lack of resistance and the possibility of multi-ball it does feel like a bad lynch. I don't feel it on this one. Regardless we need to give him time to claim.

[Wake1]

If you havin' role problems, I feel bad for you son
He's got 99 posts but a claim ain't one

Yeah I'm not sitting here waiting for this any longer

VOTE: Mirhawk

God fucking damn it you asshole.

He should have been allowed to claim!

[Wake1]

Belay 4187. I need a break from this game.

[Wake1]

Podoboq could also be setting up Wake with that crap if he ends up getting lynched.

...

I don't want to consider that possibility, but it is possible.

[Wake1]

I'm not scumreading Boem

If you would, I'd like to understand why.

[Wake1]

Other PRs should remain silent.

Mirhawk isn't today's lynch.

[Wake1]

My case on Dunn has nothing to do with his claim other then the fact that I don't believe it at all. It's that he repeatedly claimed that he had Doc protection when there was no way it happened. How do I know? I'm a even night doctor, I sure as hell didn't save him. Even if I had been able to act last night I wouldn't have targeted him because he was useless and loud all day long yesterday. The only reason he would ever possibly insist that he had protection is to make himself look more towny. Which actual town DOESN'T HAVE TO DO.

Just because Titus calls him town doesn't make it true, she's playing like shit this game and has regulated herself to just sheeping other players instead of actually trying to do anything.

Very interesting. Especially the last sentence.

[Wake1]

I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.

[Wake1]

Is there any other even/odd night willing to vouch?

If you aren't comfortable ok, but if you are that would help if Mir is town.

It looks like you're rolefishing.

[Wake1]

My case on Dunn has nothing to do with his claim other then the fact that I don't believe it at all. It's that he repeatedly claimed that he had Doc protection when there was no way it happened. How do I know? I'm a even night doctor, I sure as hell didn't save him. Even if I had been able to act last night I wouldn't have targeted him because he was useless and loud all day long yesterday. The only reason he would ever possibly insist that he had protection is to make himself look more towny. Which actual town DOESN'T HAVE TO DO.

Just because Titus calls him town doesn't make it true, she's playing like shit this game and has regulated herself to just sheeping other players instead of actually trying to do anything.

Very interesting. Especially the last sentence.

Is there any other even/odd night willing to vouch?

If you aren't comfortable ok, but if you are that would help if Mir is town.

It looks like you're rolefishing.

It's OK to react to these, Titus.

[Wake1]

OK, so I'm trying to piece things together. Dunnstral's claiming he's a 1-Shot Vig who killed Lapsa, and that he was protected that night. Almost50 claimed Jailkeeper (did he say he attempted to jail Dunnstral?). Mirhawk @L1 claims Even-Doc, so he couldn't have protected Dunn. An Odd-Doc is likely yet should remain quiet (why Titus seemed to want another PR to claim was odd). Titus and Dunn also admitted to lying to us all with the fake Mason claim, so pardon me but yeah people don't automatically trust it.

[Wake1]

I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.

VOTE: Titus

Can we just end this?

Why did it take this long?
VOTE: Titus

I could take this opportunity to vent.

Titus is Scummy as Hell i.e. manipulative, and I've just been ahead of the curve on it.

[Wake1]

VOTE: PeregrineV

Why settle for peregrine?

With his level of activity it's doubtful he could resist a fart in an empty stadium.

[Wake1]

We're not

Wait, WOAH.

Like, WOAH.

You said so, so I guess that's it.

Oh. Wait a minute.

That's not how the game works.

[Wake1]

sorry, I couldn't help myself

I forgive you.

[Wake1]

VOTE: PeregrineV

Why settle for peregrine?

With his level of activity it's doubtful he could resist a fart in an empty stadium.

Why are you defending him using his activity?

Please don't twsit my words.

I don't like that.

You voted for peregrine and I'm asking you why you're settling for peregrine when he's an easy target in that he's active and doesn't do much. Meaning, he'd likely be an easy lynch.

Please don't misunderstand me. It's not a defense of Peregrine. It's about who you're going after now and wanting to understand exactly why.

[Wake1]

*not active.

[Wake1]

I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.

VOTE: Titus

Can we just end this?

Since you say you can confirm Mirhawk is the doc, are you confirming Titus is scum?

Maybe you could shift your vote to Titus?

[Wake1]

VOTE: PeregrineV

Why settle for peregrine?

With his level of activity it's doubtful he could resist a fart in an empty stadium.

Why are you defending him using his activity?

Please don't twsit my words.

I don't like that.

You voted for peregrine and I'm asking you why you're settling for peregrine when he's an easy target in that he's active and doesn't do much. Meaning, he'd likely be an easy lynch.

Please don't misunderstand me. It's not a defense of Peregrine. It's about who you're going after now and wanting to understand exactly why.

Because I think they might be a member of an anti-town faction

They or he?

If you have a reason for voting peregrine (who looks like an easy target/is random) it would be helpful to elaborate further on it.

Also, I'd like to understand why your trust in Titus is so high that you can't entertain the possibility that she's manipulating the living fuck out of you.

[Wake1]

I am a backup Nurse.
I know there is a Nurse and a Doctor in the game.
I had thought my role told me they were a

town

nurse and doctor, but it turns out that they could be any alignment.
At the very least, I can confirm their claim, which is likely to be town, imo.

OK, hold up.

So there's Doctor, Nurse, and Backup Nurse...

There's a claimed Even-Night Doc and a likely Odd-Night Doc out there in the ether...

There's no guarantee any of you are Town.

[Wake1]

It's just odd that there's a backup to the backup...

[Wake1]

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

Consider the crumbs now that you know I'm a back-up Nurse.

If that's a crumb, it's a very easy one to miss...

[Wake1]

Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?

Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

So there's a possibility you could end up as a Doctor.

With all this apparent Backup, the idea that there is a pair of Even-Odd Docs meshes with this development.

[Wake1]

Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?

Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

Nurse is the flavor name for a Backup Doctor. Once a Doctor has died, the Nurse will become an ordinary Doctor. The Nurse may or may not be self-aware (if not, it will receive a Vanilla Townie Role PM).

This role makes no guarantee about the existence of a Doctor in the setup to begin with. If there is no Doctor, then this role is functionally a Named Townie at best. On the other hand, in a game with multiple Doctors, the Nurse will generally inherit the sanity or other quirks of the Doctor who died first.

This role is pro-Town most of the time.

The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

Is

Backup Nurse

possible in a Large Normal?

[Wake1]

The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

"Backup is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, both with and without its primary role present. Nurse and Deputy are acceptable names for Backup Doctor and Backup Cop, although they are not required."

All backups are considered normal as long as the role they are backing up is also normal. Backup Nurse, albeit weird, is normal.

Interesting.

[Wake1]

Also want to point out that Titus is ignoring my posts directed towards her.

[Wake1]

Varsoon, you want to lynch Wake or podog?

[Wake1]

I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.

I am not entertaining this or similar with responses. Thread is bloated enough.

So in other words you don't want to engage with people who question you.

You don't get safe spaces in Mafia, kiddo.

[Wake1]

I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.

I am not entertaining this or similar with responses. Thread is bloated enough.

Obviously quote the thing that isn't directed to you rather than the real accusations that are deserving of respect and a response. That's totally towny, right?

The accusation that I am scum does not by itself require a response every time my scumreads say it.

But I'm Town and I'm Scumhunting your butt, and you think you don't even have to respond?

You're IN A GAME, Titus. You're expected to engage.

[Wake1]

Varsoon, this is crazy.

I need you to weigh in on this.

[Wake1]

I mean, FUCK.

If I were Scum, how would ya'll reading this react if I just dismissed every single question and accusation against me as *SPAM* and then tried to use that as an excuse not to respond?

Holy fucknuts people. Someone come in here and tell me this is NOT how you play Mafia if you are Town!

[Wake1]

*INB4 AGar comes in like an asshole and says not having to respond to any questions at all is A-OK if you're Town.

[Wake1]

Manipulative. ^

[Wake1]

I was Sheeping. Town has a too many leaders problem. Mirhawk can judge that as shit.

It's not rolefishing

to ask if a role is possible in the least damaging way

.

HOLD THE PHONE.

That's not what you did.

That's not what you fucking did.

Is there any other even/odd night willing to vouch?

If you aren't comfortable ok, but if you are that would help if Mir is town.

It looks like you're rolefishing.

You asked if there is any other Even/Odd Night PR willing to vouch.

The only one we know of atm is Mirhawk. Meaning, you're asking for someone out in the ether to step forward and vouch.

LYNCH TITUS.

[Wake1]

GOD DAMN IT, where is everyone else to come in and TALK?!

[Wake1]

You know why there's issues. Someone wants to lynch me after every post.

Welcome to Mafia.

That's what happens.

It's how the game works. There are NO special snowflakes.

[Wake1]

I would be fine with a Titus, Boem, or Dunnstral lynch today, with emphasis on the two former.

As with the Mirhawk wagon I don't feel confident in or trust the PV wagon, because again I'm seeing little to no resistance to it. Neither are going to get my support.

To be honest with you shannon I don't feel Varsoon's crumb was obvious: the post never pinged my gut.

[Wake1]

Okay... so that happened...

I don't know if I feel good about a Boem lynch. Since you FUCKS won't lynch kraska I'm willing to go podo or PeregrineV.

Transcend im going to kill you in your fucking sleep

I'm still perturbed about Kraska refusing to claim, but I'll remember it.

I would be open to joining that wagon.

[Wake1]

I would be fine with a Titus, Boem, or Dunnstral lynch today, with emphasis on the two former.

As with the Mirhawk wagon I don't feel confident in or trust the PV wagon, because again I'm seeing little to no resistance to it. Neither are going to get my support.

To be honest with you shannon I don't feel Varsoon's crumb was obvious: the post never pinged my gut.

Dunn, if you have another shot, please vig wake.

Why?

Because we disagree and you're mad about it?

If I flip it'll validate every single thing I say, in that people will know I was honest about everything I said in trying to figure out this game.

Besides that, my ability would also kill whoever tries to kill me at Night, so good luck with that.

[Wake1]

At this point PeregrineV is probably the easiest, most consequence-less mislynch for mafia. He's atrocious. Flotsam. About only reason why I would consider voting him is his lazy vote on Mirhawk, but I also pushed for Mirhawk lynch so that wouldn't feel so good.

How about podoboq or kraska? She's been looking around for a nice mislynch since she subbed in.

What we should be doing is trying to lynch people that have a LOT of covert resistance to their wagons.

That would yield the most information.

As for PV if he continues to lurk and not provide much we can always lynch him later.

Lynching him now wouldn't give us that much information. I want to see a hammer on one of my super-active Scumreads and, IF they flip Scum, do you realize just how much invaluable information that would yield through associative tells alone?

Zach you just mentioned podo and soft-claiming, and now you're voting him. I won't support that wagon today, and as a bonus I'll be doing whatever I can to detract from it.

[Wake1]

Titus, I am commandeering your support.

VOTE: podoboq



OH MY GOD AND CAN WE STOP WITH THE FUCKING UNPROMPTED CLAIMS? I MEAN IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO INVESTIGATE PEOPLE BUT STILL


Wake is obvtown by the way guys, screw your fucking heads on

I just totally think he's wrong about Ditus/Tunnstral

They both lied to my face repeatedly with the Mason claims, even when I was chasing them down for answers. It took Varsoon and you Zach CC'ing them just to stop the madness. I can't let that go, and for damned good reason.

With respect to you I don't know how much experience you have with Titus. I have a good deal of experience with her. When she gets machiavellian it gets me paranoid as hell.

[Wake1]

Boem I keep forgetting that Boem is in the game.

I would be open to seeing pressure on him to determine what the resistance to it is like in comparison to the Mirhawk and PV wagons.

[Wake1]

*implosion.

[Wake1]

zach whyare you voting the guy who townslipped into oblivion d1

Exactly.

Transcend is inching up a tad on my Townreads. Just a little.

[Wake1]

1)

@Wake I have 0 experience with Titus but

2)

I've said about 89 times that for Titus to be scum, Dunnstral has to be as well and I don't believe that

1)

Holy shit. You don't know her like I do. She's VERY good at the game.

2)

Titus could be Scum and Dunn be Town, because Titus is smart and experienced and Dunnstral is Dunn.

[Wake1]

I still don't get how that crap was townslip from podoboq.

It gives me reason to think he's coming from a Town mindset...

...but I also know that in NO way makes him confirmed Town. NO ONE is cleared.

[Wake1]

I never said you were obvTown Titus. I don't feel like you're your Townself this game, and I've held that opinion for quite some time now.

[Wake1]

I never said you were obvTown Titus. I don't feel like you're your Townself this game, and I've held that opinion for quite some time now.

Yeah, you've discarded all my town actions because Titus is good at scum. Any action can be dismissed that way. At some point, you're going to have to fucking read me and stop spamming and engage other people when they tell you I am fucking town. Right now, if you're town, you're like the Homeless man yelling about evil lurking in every corner.

Shave that monstrous posting beard. Engage with people over why they think I am town AND their scumreads. Spamming wagon me every time a wagon fails will not cut it.

I absolutely have zero desire to repeat Gunslingers in a fucking large theme. None.

Nope, you're twisting my words again. This is exactly what I've been talking about. You take what I say and you either twist it, change the context, or try to add to what I'm saying. I don't think this is from you being a lawyer, either. I think it comes from you being Scum this game.

What I said is that you've been machiavellian most of this game, which is not like the TownTitus I have had multiple games of experience with. As long as I feel you're not Town I have every right to pressure you all game long, and with respect I will do so because I have far more endurance than you think I do.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Titus

[Wake1]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

Boem_u_dusi (1):

Wake88

PeregrineV (5):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77

Titus (3):

Varsoon, pobodoq, beeboy

podoboq (2):

Zackstralkita, Titus

implosion (2):

Boem_u_dusi, Transcend

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

dang, L-2 already?

Considering we have around 4 days left, it would be wise to claim soon. Otherwise, should you be brought to L1 in 1-2 days and you claim a PR, there'll be panic.

[Wake1]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

Boem_u_dusi (1):

Wake88

PeregrineV (5):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77

Titus (3):

Varsoon, pobodoq, beeboy

podoboq (2):

Zackstralkita, Titus

implosion (2):

Boem_u_dusi, Transcend

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

dang, L-2 already?

Considering we have around 4 days left, it would be wise to claim soon. Otherwise, should you be brought to L1 in 1-2 days and you claim a PR, there'll be panic.

My claiming would invalidate my role effectiveness, so I'm deciding whether to claim or not.

Also, I'll be going VLA soon, so may take that into consideration.

You've been gone long enough.

We're running out of time here, so you need to come to a decision REAL quick on claiming or I'm going to come to a decision REAL quick on lynching you today.

The best thing you can do right now is claim, to save time and avoid panic.

[Wake1]

Wait what is this about gundams?

Gundam Seed.

I was scum and kept Wake v Sakura going after each other until I mislynched Wake as Uncced PR. I kissed his ass there and was uber kind to him and got him lynched due to noise.

Wake knows that game.

I barely remember the last game I completed, let alone one over 2 years ago.

So please don't say I know that game when I barely remember anything about it.

[Wake1]

Here, let me help you.

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is L-1. PLEASE, EVERYONE, don't hammer until he's been given a chance to claim.