New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Boem_u_dusi]

My take on Performer:

His first "interaction" with Noferatu/Vedith is 240. Filler.
Saying "stop it" to Nosferatu and PeregrineV having

bad vibes

about implosion in 388.
Weird stuff in 1305, asking me how many games I have played when I was choosing between Nosferatu/Vedith and Sickofit.
Invited me to vote implosion in 1389. 1000 posts have passed between 388 and 1389 so it's not terribly inconsistent.
His lynchpool in 2329 is suspicious.
He votes Vedith in 2398. Could be bussing.
Adds Mirhawk to his townreads because he apologized for profanity in 2407???

And finally replaces out, maybe because he doesn't want to fight a lost cause. I looked at his previous games and yes, that guy really likes to sub in/out.

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I'd still prefer a performer or Boem lynch

Why would you prefer my lynch?

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I forgot Performer's legendary 2325.

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It's actually 2324, something's wrong.

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I think mod deleted a post somewhere so numbering is messed up or something like that.

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probably because he predicted your post 3425

What's wrong with my 3425?

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I was just going through his ISO and commenting along the way to see if there's any merit about case on Performer.
AGar made a case, but he's too aggressive for me to take that completely seriously and he made a similar post about Titus a while back.

[Boem_u_dusi]

It looks weird if performer flips town...

like you were against it and suddenly you have your own case for him being scum

idk, sorry for trying to think things through.
Weird point, I thought it would be weirder if he flipped scum.

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Transcend, what the fuck?

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Transcend, can you explain why you are so opposed to Performer lynch? And what makes you so much pro-implosion lynch?

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We may just spare mod the trouble and go for it.

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I'd like to squeeze more information from implosion and Mirhawk. PeregrineV is too silent D2.

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I'm going to trust AGar on this one.

VOTE: Performer

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That's a good point by Airick10.

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It's a coin flip imo, around 50%.

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Quickly hammer while Wake isn't looking

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OK I found AGar's sparknotes edition on performer.

It's pretty convincing, I mean I can't really think of any good reason to not vote performer after reading that.

Is the reason everyone else is voting him because of those points? I'm getting a serious lurker lynch vibe here and I typically avoid those.

Mhmhhmhmh. That pretty much sums up what I was thinking when I read this.

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It's supposed to mean something, but there's no way anyone outside my country gets it.

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Not a serial killer or anything.

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What do you think about implosion suddenly showing up to rescue Performer?
That would be little too obvious if they were w/w, but then again losing another teammate is probably too much at this point.

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I dislike Mirhawk's latest posts.

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Let's see what Kras comes up with, it'll probably be too hard to bullshit around convincingly if she replaced into a scum slot.

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Good job shannon.

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Unimpressive so far.

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Something tells me Varsoon isn't happy with Performer lynch.

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idk what's going on

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You want Performer to claim?

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I have no idea.

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Varsoon, how important is that she claims immediately so she doesn't have time to make something up?

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So are you happy or unhappy with her wagon for now?

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Varsoon obviously knows something we don't, so why doesn't Performer/kraska claim and we catch her if she's bullshiting? This way she has time to coordinate and discuss with her teammates if she's scum. Having another scum lynched at this point would be really great and confirming suspect as town and redirection our attention elsewhere wouldn't exactly suck either.

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yea kraska's sounding like town

can we just kill implosion and call it a day lol

What. The. Fuck.

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Cute.

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Having reads and everything is fine, but that has nothing to do with your claim. Sooner you claim and Varsoon confirms you as town, sooner we move our attention elsewhere.

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I feel somebody already gave scum team too much information so what the hell.

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So Dunn, you say Mirhawk?

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Hm. I'm not thrilled with implosion either.
This Performer/Varsoon situation will

probably

resolve itself tomorrow.
Closed setup is mindfuck to me, I have never played this crap before.

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I guess he goes then.

VOTE: Mirhawk

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I can almost feel Almost50's blood pressure rising with each passing moment caused by kraska not claiming.

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Kraska's post reminded me of beeboy's claim. Why hasn't Sickofit claimed miller at the start of the game?

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Quickly switch to Wake while he's not looking!

just kidding

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Transcend, what makes you so convinced both kraska and Mirhawh are town?

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I feel there is a lot tension here around kraska's possible lynch, not completely sure what to make of it.

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That's some cool trivia

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I don't see how is kraska really really town. I award her some townpoints for fighting hard after subbing in a tough spot, but that's about it.

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Also that

Boem vote was slimy

. Not sure why you constantly have to hear from Varsoon, either

Which one?

Varsoon soft-claimed

something

(no idea) and I'd like him to clarify because I have no idea what's going on. If he can confirm kraska as scum or other two players as town (except if they are obvtowns anyway) it's a no brainer. What's the problem here? I don't like his approach to this kraska situation here, it's like he wants to steer lynch away from kraska but doesn't want to take responsibility for it. Is he rolefishing? What is he doing?
If he's bullshiting, we'll find out eventually so I'm not afraid of him atm. Maybe I misunderstood something.

The thing I'm missing here, why is it so bad that kraska claims and we confirm her alignment? Simple town/scum from Varsoon will suffice.

This setup is bullshit.

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PeregrineV seems town to me. Not very useful town, but still town. Unfortunately, very easy target for mafia.

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PeregrineV agreeing with Nosferatu about bad vibes from implosion would be somewhat stupid if they were mafia together.

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I'm still thinking Mirhawk goes today and then we reevaluate implosion, PeregrineV and Performer slot.

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These calls for PeregrineV lynch look very opportunistic to me. Normally, I'd be up for it because he's not doing anything useful but he voted Vedith D1 so I'm willing to let him sit on his ass for now. I want more focus on implosion/Mirhawk.

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guys can we pressure

agar or

titus

or podokhkjfjkl
how about that
prefer the first two

I don't know why podoboq's name is so hard for people, it's symmetrical

I could happily see the end of Titus

. I think her style has really changed since the heady days of the mason claims and I can only think it's a response to having so much negative attention on her. Same with Zach.

cat fight.

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PeregrineV, that's how you contribute to this game? Seriously?

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kraska, what's up with your crush on Transcend?

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This day is moving at a glacial pace. Let's rope Mirhawk and be over with it.

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PeregrineV, that's how you contribute to this game? Seriously?

It tells me podoq is town, which means I won't vote him. And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

So , I'm scumhunting by finding town to not-lynch.

What else do you want?

Why does it tell you podoboq is town? I still fail to see logic in this line of reasoning.

As far as I know, they both could be scum and playing us like a fiddle with some prepared shenanigans. That's close to null for me.

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@kraska77

I have two points to address here:

1. From my experience, replacements are much more likely to be scum than the baseline probability would suggest. That means replacement is under greater pressure to do something in order he/she didn't sub in scum slot.

2. Question I asked myself when Performer left the game is 'Why'. Why would he sub out if he's town, lynched scum on D1 (and a vital one) and town is in a comfortable spot at the start of D2. Unfortunately, I see this kind of behavior far too often in mafia and other games. Somebody isn't doing too well and he just gives up.

As far as Wake is concerned, his behavior D2 is kinda weird after a solid D1 imo.

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Looking at Wake/Titus interactions I'd say it's close to impossible that Wake is town if Titus is also town. Other scenarios are possible.

I can't see either of them getting roped today however.

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Vote Mirhawk. His tone today is weird, that vote on Dunnstral was weird, he voted shannon yesterday along with Vedith which was weird.

If Mirhawk flips scum, look at Wake, Varsoon, podoboq, implosion.

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Looking at Wake/Titus interactions I'd say it's close to impossible that Wake is town if Titus is also town. Other scenarios are possible.

I can't see either of them getting roped today however.

You'd better explain that Boem, because now you've just reignited my interest in this fucking game.

Both you and Titus have different tone in D2. Titus feels more relaxed and you seem kinda agitated. I see no reason why you should feel agitated because town is in a good spot. Not throwing accusations yet because it's entirely possible that's just some RL stuff or different mood, but we'll see. Regarding your interaction with Titus, I already explained it D1. Several other players expressed similar thougths too if I remember correctly.

And what's up with your vote on me? That's useless, I'm not going today.

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And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

I believe mod has confirmed that scum do have daytalk.

Then that makes it less likely Wake is scum. As scum, it would make more sense for him to solicit feedback on a post than not.

unless he purposefully linked to an old PT to make us think all this

. But that's next level mafia, so I'll just say Wake is probably town for now.

no shit sherlock

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I'm willing to drop it and move on.

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That's a second grade logic to me.

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PeregrineV, just drop it. That's completely irrelevant. We need to focus on other things.

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Wake and podoboq town would mean there's 2-3 mafia in Airick10/implosion/Varsoon/Mirhawk almost guaranteed. Alternative is that mafia was ridiculous and bussed their PR just like that D1 and I'm not seeing how is that helping them win the game.

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Another alternative is already mentioned multiball, but with only one kill yesterday that's unlikely.

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Their PR? Why do you think scum only have one?

I have no idea how many PR's they have, but probably not many which are more important than the role cop.

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Beeboy, recommend some good chill pills to Wake and we're all set.

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I'm pure as snow.

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You know what would be really great? If I was scum coasting on a miller claim right now.

Ballsy if you are scum.

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@PeregrineV It's not just VCA, it's overall feel for the game. It's clicking for me. I could be wrong, of course.

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Townreads who also bussed their PR? Doesn't seem likely to me at the moment.

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PeregrineV is saying words. Also, he has shown that, unlike some people, he gives a fuck about finding town in this mess of a game.

PeregrineV, just drop it. That's completely irrelevant. We need to focus on other things.

Fun fact, everyone. Looking for town is a bad thing.
VOTE: Boem_u_dusi

OMGUS

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Don't forget mine podoboq. You'll have to check my ISO for clues however.

Almost50 says he Jailed Dunnstral, yet Dunnstral says he Vigged Lapsa.

If Almost50 Jailed Dunnstral then Dunnstral couldn't have Vigged Lapsa.

Could players clarify this for me please?

Yeah, somebody is bullshiting. Probably both of them.

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Claims are cheap in this game.

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6) Almost50 was drunk when submitting the N1 action

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7) The driver redirected actions

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Wake, I don't understand your POE. Listed players all voted Vedith and the other one claimed jailkeeper. I think you listed 5/6 or 6/6 towns there.

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Wakes reads are shit for the most part

Can you do it without the nasty attitude?

If you're going to be an asshole if given the chance I'll hammer you just for being one.

I mean wow, how are you helping Town by being a douche?

Speaking of douches

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Pretty sure kraska and Wake are not w/w.

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What does "w" even mean
But anyway there's a good chance wake is just paranoid town. and im very very town
so

w = wolf or mafia

Anyone who has even

remote

experience with me knows I'm obvTown as Hell.

That doesn't necessarily mean I'm right most of the time, however. Doesn't sound like kraska has ever played with Town-Wake in the past.

I've never played with you before and you seem town to me, but not obvTown. Stop listing likely town players in your POE, it'll help.

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I see Wake as either mafia who's trying to save his partner and push his agenda or very egotistical town who's trying to revolutionize the game and show everyone how smart he is.

Concerning PeregrineV, I'm willing to seriously consider him D3 if Mirhawk flips town.

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I don't think anyone bussed Vedith.

brave accusation to be made especially since he got lol hammered

@airick he's been scumming recently. my read on him has been like a rollercoaster, but i'm leaning towards the times i tr'ed him being forced at this point.

Where have I been scumming recently? I've been hopping between Mirhawk/implosion/kraska, sure, but that's about it.

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I think it's reckless to automatically assume NO Scum could have bussed Vedith Day 1.

It's possible, but don't say it was either 100% yes or no when you don't know.

I mean, come on. Be logical. Deal in possibilities, not absolutes, especially when you can't possibly know one way or another.

It's foolish to assume no scum bussed Vedith D1.

But it makes people on Vedith wagon less likely to be scum (individually) because getting rid of a teammate doesn't help your wincon. That's why I'm opposed to lynching people who were on Vedith wagon and I'm trying to focus more on people outside that wagon today. I think Mirhawk's lynch is about 50% chance for us to get scum and Zach's lynch is about 5% chance. See where I'm going with this?

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I don't think anyone bussed Vedith.

brave accusation to be made especially since he got lol hammered

@airick he's been scumming recently. my read on him has been like a rollercoaster, but i'm leaning towards the times i tr'ed him being forced at this point.

Where have I been scumming recently? I've been hopping between Mirhawk/implosion/kraska, sure, but that's about it.

Honestly, you continuously sheeping Dunnstral was a ping on my Scumdar.

I wonder what would happen if we checked voting history and counted how many times you sheeped Dunnstral's votes.

Well, you complaining of me sheeping Dunnstral is a ping on my Scumdar. Making irrelevant things seem hugely important is a characteristic of every competent scum player and I'm getting little paranoid that's what you are doing here.

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I don't think you continuously sheeping Dunnstral is an irrelevant fact and you not making any attempt to responsibly explain it isn't doing you any favors.

I've explained it 10x already. He's my strongest townread in the game, I'm trusting him at this point in the game and I think he's onto something. Deal with it.

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Mirhawk is at L-2 or something like that. I'm also willing to lynch implosion today.

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Mirhawk being a blatant counter wagon worries me.

Who's your alternative? Implosion?

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Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

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Mirhawk being a blatant counter wagon worries me.

Who's your alternative? Implosion?

I am just sheeping trascend this game tbh.

And I'm the one who gets crap for sheeping Dunnstral plus you claimed miller

Transcend is an okay sheeping choice imo, when he's not going batshit crazy voting villagers

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Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

You mean those 6 towns?

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Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

You mean those 6 towns?

You saying all 6 are Town

does not

make all 6 of them Town.

Mafia 101.

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I feel like Wake is town that's just severely misguided

+1

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Wake, who do you want to see as Mirhawk's counterwagon?

The ones I previously mentioned.

You mean those 6 towns?

You saying all 6 are Town

does not

make all 6 of them Town.

Mafia 101.

I feel like Wake is town that's just severely misguided

OK, then explain to me with logic how all 6 are Town.

Go ahead and say how you know all of them can't possibly be Scum.

3993

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For those mathematically inclined among you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference

In case you don't get what I'm trying to do here.

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Wake, I have another one for you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentiveness

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And I said it's probably 5/6 or 6/6 which seems about right from probability standpoint.

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Boem, I understand you've been continuously trying to provoke me with personal digs, but all you're really doing is digging your grave for late game if you're Scum.

If you're Town I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with personal attacks.

You're little hypocritical here, especially after 3952. All I've been trying to say that you are too nitpicky and obsess over unimportant things.

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Besides, you're in over your head. You're not going to back me into a corner. I'm town as it fucking gets, so deal with that, scumbag. Not to mention,

me being scum means that I unvoted Titus and put fuel behind my hypothetical PR partner.

A valuable PR at that.

Precisely.

implosion - Probably town, but has been very off this game. I don't quite trust his reads.
Peregrine - Super null lurker.

Boem - Probably scum.

Kraska - Scum

You - Town.

I see 20% of that wagon that I trust. 60% of that wagon I wouldn't follow to the pearly gates if I had any choice. And the other 20% I hesitate to trust because he's been badly off on his reads.

???

I think you need to reevaluate. Why is implosion more likely town for you? He didn't vote his

hypothetical scum partner

, unlike me or Performer slot.

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I just checked. AGar, implosion voted you D1 and you think he's town and I'm scum

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Votes are: implosion, PeregrineV, Boem_u_dusi, kraska77, Titus, shannon, Airick10, Dunnstral

If I'm not wrong.

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Transcend your reads suck balls

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In an hour or so, I'm busy atm

just expressing dissatisfaction with some people

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You asked for it, you got it.

Town: { Zachstralkita, Dunnstral, Almost50, Transcend }
Probably town: { shannon, Titus, AGar }
??? : { Varsoon, kraska77, Wake, beeboy, PeregrineV }
Null: { Airick10 }
Scumpool/POE: { Mirhawk, implosion, podoboq }

Almost50 is included in town solely because of his claim.
Varsoon and kraska77 are ??? because of unresolved shenanigans with Varsoon asking kraska77 to claim. I have no idea what to make of it.
Wake is ??? because he seems towny/gamesolving but his reads are completely opposite to mine and his tone D2 is off.
PeregrineV and beeboy are conditional reads, I dislike their passivity in this game, but I consider them town for now because they were on Vedith wagon.
Airick10 was on AGar wagon D1 which I don't like but he is showing some gamesolving attempts today so he's null.

You can see that I'm very biased - I like people who vote for scum, especially if scum flips PR.

POE is understandable and it consists of people outside Vedith wagon who gave me no reason to townread them today.

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Transcend, how come I'm suddenly your scumread WITH implosion? That makes no sense to me.
And why are you townreading Mirhawk?

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Transcend, how come I'm suddenly your scumread WITH implosion? That makes no sense to me.
And why are you townreading Mirhawk?

Why exactly are you Scumreading mirhawk?

* D1 vote on shannon with Vedith
* OMGUS vote on Dunnstral today
* he's at L-1 and said nothing so far, possible antispew
* seemed little opportunistic with Performer/kraska wagon
* I don't find him towny

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Wake if you are town, go fuck yourself.

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What is this, saving private Mirhawk?

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Wake if you are town, go fuck yourself.

You're not swaying anyone.

OK you can go fuck yourself regardless of your alignment.

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Wake if you are town, go fuck yourself.

OK you can go fuck yourself regardless of your alignment.

I rarely ask game moderators to intervene, but I feel you crossed the line with your personal attacks. That goes against the rules in this game, and you're fortunate I have the self-restraint to not give you a proper, verbal backhand.

Angleshooting, are we?

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Wake88 is getting frustrated because the only way he's getting rid of towns at this point is by mod removing them.

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I got too carried away, I apologize to everyone. That's why you don't skip your meds

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Not really on meds though, I'm just an asshole sometimes.

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A little bit of go fuck yourselves shouldn't hurt anyone. If we're going to play the modkill game then Vedith should have been the prime contender....

I'm not saying we should be modkilling people for being unfairly dickish. I'm just saying that whenever Wake is transparent and open about his reads and opinions, people call him stupid and tell him to fuck off, even though his reads are justified and fair. It's either townies being unnecessarily cruel, or scum trying to make this game so unfun that

players with good reads

decide to leave.

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Looking at Wake/Titus interactions I'd say it's close to impossible that Wake is town if Titus is also town. Other scenarios are possible.

I can't see either of them getting roped today however.

You'd better explain that Boem, because now you've just reignited my interest in this fucking game.

Both you and Titus have different tone in D2. Titus feels more relaxed and you seem kinda agitated. I see no reason why you should feel agitated because town is in a good spot. Not throwing accusations yet because it's entirely possible that's just some RL stuff or different mood, but we'll see. Regarding your interaction with Titus, I already explained it D1. Several other players expressed similar thougths too if I remember correctly.

And what's up with your vote on me? That's useless, I'm not going today.

I'm agitated because I have to work with certain players who inevitably piss me off, whether intentional or not: that's just the nature of the game and it's not inherently their fault unless they purposely try to behave like dicks. I feel like I've provided a lot in this game and tried pushing for the lynches I want but it falls on deaf ears, and it's annoying because I've had the same thing happen in the past AND I WAS RIGHT! I remember pushing like Hell against certain players in a large game early on and even though I was dead right on the money I just couldn't collect anyone's ears, and it was only after I was dead and it was later in the game did certain people start to come around. It's frustrating when experience has HONED your gut instincts to a sharp-ass razor blade to the point where you feel you can trust your gut better, but it doesn't matter because you suck at persuading people. I'm good at stirring up the waters to catch fish and damned FINE at going for the jugular, but God help me I suck at persuading people and it's infuriating, especially when you know you're right but some people are stubborn and just won't listen. I'm also in four games and stretched so thin that I practically have to pop an Adderall XR and guzzle a pot of coffee just to muster up the energy to get into a game, and only one at a time. I don't know how these fuckers do it when they're in 4+ games and going on and on, like how the fuck do you have time for a social life and school and work? The game's also so Goddamn fucking big and convoluted and twisted that I don't know where the fuck to begin or how to get back in and start unwinding this big fucking mess, like holy fuck I need a Valium and a kilo of pot to do it too.

As Town I get real fucking PISSED OFF at times.

I guess we have something in common.

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Fk u all

That's the spirit!

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I need to take up yoga or something.

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42?

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I'd say Mirhawk is around 50% scum. Better than baseline probability.

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Sorry Wake if I offended you. Water under the bridge?
Freely scumread me as much as you want, even though I'm town.

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Podoboq, PeregrineV is your high town read? More town than, dunno, Zach? Seriously? Both Mirhawk and implosion are mixed?

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Well, I'm not clearing neither of you for that

townslip

. Townslips I like are something like voting for mafia PR.

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I'm not an expert, but Neapolitan seems pretty important to me especially in closed setup. Actually, it's hard for me to think about more important PR. How do you know those claims were truthful anyway? VT can freely claim something here in order to soak a kill.

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I don't know. I'm a competitive person, I like playing for my wincon in all games I play and I can't see why I would get rid of my teammate just like that. Especially PR teammate. And for what, some towncred which will vaporize D3 at best anyway?

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I don't know. I'm a competitive person, I like playing for my wincon in all games I play and I can't see why I would get rid of my teammate just like that. Especially PR teammate. And for what, some towncred which will vaporize D3 at best anyway?

I'm saying that early people on the wagon vote there to distance. That's a normal thing. It doesn't look like the wagon is going to happen, and they know they can unvote later if it becomes a risk, so placing a vote there is safe.

Then the wagon starts to pick up speed. If scum on the wagon is active (which they aren't necessarily), they know to move off, but they have to find the right time, or they risk making both themselves and Vedith suspicious at the same time. Then the flash wagon happens, 6 votes happen in an hour (or however fast that was), and they don't have any option.

OK. That's

little

contradictory with your scumread on me and Dunnstral however. Considering we just showed up and hammered him.

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I don't know, I've never randed scum in my life outside of one exception on another site quite recently. But yolo bussing D1 seems suboptimal and I like making optimal plays in all games I play.

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I'm not an expert, but Neapolitan seems pretty important to me especially in closed setup. Actually, it's hard for me to think about more important PR. How do you know those claims were truthful anyway? VT can freely claim something here in order to soak a kill.

I'm saying that we definitely had a Macho, because Lapsa flipped Macho (which I was not expecting). We have a Miller claim which I believe. We have at least one other negative utility that I know about (not interested yet in explaining how I know of another negative utility. Just know it's 100% confirmed to me. Not setup spec)

Mafia Neapolitan receives results in the form of "Vanilla" and "not Vanilla." Non vanilla would draw their attention, and they would fire at those players first. With a lot of negative utilities to town, Neapolitan is increasing the chances of killing off our negative utility.

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I'm willing to drop it, OK? I have no idea what the setup is exactly so I'm probably talking about nothing.

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You already voted Mirhawk.

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This game already has more posts than other two games in New York subforum and one of them started in March. Not bad

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Podoboq could also be setting up Wake with that crap if he ends up getting lynched.

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And why would mafia NK podoboq ffs?

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You already voted Mirhawk.

Delete ur account

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Me and Wake need some stress management counseling.

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I count only 8 votes?

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I count only 8 votes?

Delete ur account

After I'm done with this game, sure.

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I am barely reading this game right now tbh.
All this drama is opop.

When do you start contributing in this game?

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Are you fucking kidding me? Backup nurse? I claim backup even-night bodyguard, why not.

Somebody is bullshiting in Varsoon/Mirhawk/Almost50/beeboy. Interesting how most of the claims are made by people who weren't on Vedith wagon. Wonder why.

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UNVOTE:

jesus fucking christ

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This makes no sense, everyone will just claim something when at L-1. Varsoon is vouching for Mirhawk so that's fine I guess.

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Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

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Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

Why facepalm? Either I'm the only VT in the game or we're not in role madness.

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Anyway, I can always retract it and claim some other bullshit if I get close to L-1. That's motif of this game.

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I retract my Vanilla Townie claim

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No, I'm seriously Vanilla Townie.

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LOL no I retract this time definitely

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No, I'm Vanilla Townie.

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I think implosion is making a lot sense here.

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what is this game

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Everyone has some fancy role, I'm feeling ripped off in this game.

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thanks

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And what are you dumbasses trying to achieve with this?

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I sense a disappointment in your near future

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How come you never explained why you scumread me?

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nope

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you must be a very happy man

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That escalated quickly

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At this point PeregrineV is probably the easiest, most consequence-less mislynch for mafia. He's atrocious. Flotsam. About only reason why I would consider voting him is his lazy vote on Mirhawk, but I also pushed for Mirhawk lynch so that wouldn't feel so good.

How about podoboq or kraska? She's been looking around for a nice mislynch since she subbed in.

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I want to know implosion and podoboq alignments the most.

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What do you people think about implosion?

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I would vote implosion, but he'll probably claim 7-shot even night alignment cop.

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At this point PeregrineV is probably the easiest, most consequence-less mislynch for mafia. He's atrocious. Flotsam. About only reason why I would consider voting him is his lazy vote on Mirhawk, but I also pushed for Mirhawk lynch so that wouldn't feel so good.

How about podoboq or kraska? She's been looking around for a nice mislynch since she subbed in.

What we should be doing is trying to lynch people that have a LOT of covert resistance to their wagons.

That would yield the most information.

As for PV if he continues to lurk and not provide much we can always lynch him later.

Lynching him now wouldn't give us that much information.

I want to see a hammer on one of my super-active Scumreads and, IF they flip Scum, do you realize just how much invaluable information that would yield through associative tells alone?

Zach you just mentioned podo and soft-claiming, and now you're voting him. I won't support that wagon today, and as a bonus I'll be doing whatever I can to detract from it.

I guess you are talking about Titus ... I'm interested in her alignment as well, but I won't be joining you on that one.
Speaking of covert resistance, what do you think about implosion? That wagon never gained much traction.

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What's with wrong spelling? It's podoboq. Easy as pie.

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I still don't get how that crap was townslip from podoboq.

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We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

VOTE: implosion

Zach is town. Dunnstral is town. Transcend is town. Wake/Titus is probably TvT. It would be hilarious if the team turned out to be Vedith/PeregrineV/beeboy/Almost50.

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Well, one of us is 100% not scum. I don't know about the other.

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Anyways listen up gang the first game I played with Transcendscum, he acted powertown and him and Bacde led me around the whole game like a collared sex slave in Rotterdam.

That's... specific.

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It would also be hilarious if Wake and Titus were scum together and they are just driving us insane the whole game.

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Wake and Titus scum together would be very smart, breaking town's morale to the point nobody gives a shit anymore.

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pardon me kraska, but do you actually think your actions thus far are headed in the direction of "scum lynch"?

let me look at your scum lynch list real quick...o yeah im on top of it lmaoooooo

let me look at your " scum you've gotten lynched " list real quick.... o yeah its empty LMFAOOOO

and you were finna lynch the doctor. awhhh

And uncc'ed Vanilla Townie too.

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Shitposting is underrated.

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We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

I was talking about implosion?

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We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

I was talking about implosion?

By that logic, what wagon isn't pointless? One on somebody's who has already claimed?

Let's just rope somebody and get on to D3, my patience is running out.

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Zach, who's your top choice besides PeregrineV? We have 4 days left and some players are inactive so I think we should consolidate.

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I don't know. PeregrineV feels like a mislynch. Even if we somehow hit scum he's small potatoes.

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Anyway. My list of townreads right now that are strong enough that I'm not really willing to lynch them today is (in no particular order) {wake, dunn, kraska, varsoon, podoboq, zach, titus, boem}. Mirhawk vaguely falls in this list for now as well.

Other people that I suspect are town and so would prefer not to lynch are {beeboy, shannon, Airick}. But it would not surprise me if I was wrong on any of them, especially Airick, and I'm willing to entertain wagons just because of the sheer number of stronger townreads I have.

That leaves {PeregrineV, AGar, Almost50, Transcend}. And that's, once again, a pretty damn small list of people that I'm not townreading. Just for reference, the final Vedith wagon was:

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

I guess Transcend has the blitzing-thing in his favor. I never really found anything he did very readable after the early pages and that read faded over time. I'd love to see him case me. Or really do anything other than pester me for thousands of pages.

Frankly, these reads seem fabricated to me. All your townreads are active players (highposters) and your lynchpool consists of 4 players, out of which 3 voted Vedith yesterday. 3 scumreads are inactives/lowposters. About only interesting thing is scumreading Transcend.

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Probably not. Care to share some thoughts with us?

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PeregrineV, just an offtopic question - how did you earn "best town performance" badge or whatever above your avatar?

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Probably not. Care to share some thoughts with us?

I havent looked at why I'm being voted yet- are there any compelling reasons?

Besides lack of activity and usefulness/gamesolving, not really.

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guys

can you stop running the player list through random.org

like please

+1

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jesus fucking christ

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I am not convinced A50 is town

Noone is

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Well I'm trying to.

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I'm never playing with 13 year olds again ffs

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What the fuck am I doing with my life?

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So Mirhawk is lying or we have two doctors?

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Why did you protect noone N1?

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I don't think we have two doctors, this is bullshit. Mirhawk was probably lying. Or PeregrineV plays derpy scum very well.

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mirhawk is definitely doc over peregrinev and there's no way NO WAY there's 2 docs.

Why is Mirhawk definitely doc?

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Weird. Transcend I hope you hammered right, but I have a feeling you fucked this up.

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Anyway, if PeregrineV flips doc at least we know where to look tomorrow. So it's probably fine.

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Mirhawk is town. I'm standing by it. I refuse to believe anything else.

OK. Your ass is still on the line if you just hammered the doc.

PV, don't play mindgames. Are you scum or town?

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I don't understand why Transcend trusts Mirhawk so much. This stuff should have been discussed by whole town, now we got jackshit. Transcend, you seriously misplayed this.

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I'm hoping for Vedith #2.0

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Beeboy, shut the fuck up and go play with barbie dolls or something.

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Transcend, regardless of PeregrineV flip that was a ridiculous move. Town could have discussed this and we would probably solve this with 90% certainty.

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Let's just see the flip. I give up.

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I had the feeling Vedith was trolling when he got hammered and I don't have the same feeling now.

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By the way, if mirhawk does end up being mafia in the future when we inevitably lynch them, we'r epower lynching wake for hard defending him all game but then speed voting PV

Transcend is also looking bad in that scenario, but hard to say if he's scum

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I have a feeling scum are laughing their asses off somewhere.