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Post Post #91 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:00 am

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I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.
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Post Post #100 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:22 pm

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Not yet.
I'm considering just hopping on whatever's popular and seeing where that tides us.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #2) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:25 pm

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I just ate a prod.
Meatworld is too gripping.
Anyway, I'm surprised you think I'm less lynchable than others.
Have they messed up that bad?
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Post Post #614 (isolation #3) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:36 pm

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But why, Dunnstral?
And why make a chart for it?
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Post Post #617 (isolation #4) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:40 pm

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Some people post a lot.
What about the content of those posts don't you like?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:59 pm

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And so what does that even mean?
Feels like you're just doing busywork here. I don't know.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:17 am

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In post 620, Dunnstral wrote:Have you read the actual game or are you going to harp on me over dumb things :facepalm:
I'm glad that when I ask you to generate constructive reasons for why you are scumreading people, all you conjure up is inconclusive rubbish.
It gives me a lot of confidence in your slot when I tell you that you look like you're just doing busywork and your response is abrasive offense rather than actually following through with your listless observations.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Scum found, GG ez.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:24 am

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You're going to have to give more more than "That is a bad vote."
When I directly interact with a player and all they can offer is posturing, garbage, and no concrete rationale for their speculation, I get wary. When confronted with this reality, Dunnscum decided to assault me rather than support their cases.

Sorry not sorry. My vote stays. You rubes probably won't vote there because you're too weak.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:26 am

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Like, Titus, you have a bad habit of chainsawing your allies.
I don't know if that makes you scum or if you have info I'm not privvy to, but it does bolster my conviction here.
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Post Post #715 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:31 am

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@Zach: If you let players hide behind a veneer of trash anti-town play, they'll do it as scum as much as they do it as town--if not moreso.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:35 am

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Reverse hydra-slip from Titus.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:29 pm

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In post 752, Dunnstral wrote:
Also I think I'll say Varsoon is mafia rather than engage with his play
Fixed that for you.
It's not surprising that you've gone from reading me as town to wanting me dead and scumreading me the second that I call you out on your absolute trash play. How anyone thinks you're town when all you're doing is posturing and flexing like it is beyond me. Stop trying to direct town actions and start explaining your reads.

Please, get lynched.
VOTE: Dunnstral
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Post Post #800 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:35 pm

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Get used to being wrong a majority of the time, then?
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:18 pm

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Is Dunnstral still campaigning against me?
It's been 20 pages (which I haven't had the time to read yet--modding Bloodborne is almost a full-time job).

Even taking potshots at my jokes. Harsh stuff.
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:13 pm

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I'll fight you, m8.
Not that it matters, since I swooped in, declared you scum, and you've been bent out of shape for half of the pages of content this game has so far.
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:15 pm

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In post 1274, Transcend wrote:can we agree to rope almost50

i think he might be a stellar lynch
Tell me why you think so?
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:27 pm

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In post 1278, Dunnstral wrote:Hey Varsoon that's prety neat, I'm sure you are scumreading my claimed mason partner as well, right?
Is your claimed mason partner Titus?
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:34 pm

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I'mma be real with you:
Only a few pages out of the 52.
I skipped about 20 of 'em.
You can probably figure out which 20.
I thought
"Oh I can wing it."
I clearly could not wing it.
So back up your truck and explain it to me, man.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:45 pm

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So when I came in and was like
"Lol so obvious chainsawing"
You claimed masons
with fuckin' Titus
why?


Oh wait are you doing a bit?
I should commit if we're doing a bit.
Uh act like these last lines aren't here so you can jerk me around if we're doing a bit.
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:06 am

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I
really
need to try a fake masons gambit as scum one day.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:43 am

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In post 1316, Zachstralkita wrote:Because they claimed mason. It's a clusterfuck to get into when you start doubting the legitimacy of said claim, we can get into that another day.
The annoying thing is that I'm pretty much compelled to agree with you.
As little as I like Dunn AND Titus' play, the Mason claim ensures that the weaklings on this site would never lynch them without an equally strong role-claim contesting theirs. It's lame, but people like to play it painfully safe.
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Post Post #1334 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:57 am

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@Performer: PRs are important, but the site-meta trends to favoring mechanics far heavier than rhetoric, so much so that the rhetoric of the game often becomes superseded by the mechanics. Claiming masons only renders any sort of leverage to the slots because people think the mechanical advantage of (possible) masons is stronger than any rhetoric that could be thrown down. Even if they are lying about being masons, the fear that we'd lose such a mechanical advantage keeps players from voting there, even when the claimed masons are bringing garbage to the table, rhetorically.

Ultimately, it's weak play. Players should be judged first and foremost for what they bring to the table for town. Dunnstral and Titus have given this town nothing. The Masons claim was awkward and only came out after I suggested it, making me feel as though it was conjured after-the-fact rather than a genuine truth of the game.

If you allow players leverage based solely on the claimed mechanical efficiency of their roles, you will lose any well-built setup.

That isn't to say that mechanical efficiency allowing a player rhetorical leverage has no place in Mafia. If a player can prove their role, or if their claim holds up under rhetorical scrutiny, then, sure, it's all gravy. Even then, a well balanced setup punishes players for claiming outright and rewards players for playing smart with their roles.

I think we should lynch Dunnstral today. If Dunnstral flips as a Mason, we'll know Titus is cleared, which, sure, will inform the nightkill, but it gives us a confirmed town to work with unless scum want to waste a shot killing off already-useless-so-far Titus. On the flip side, if Dunnstral flips anything but Mason, we hit a jackpot.

Think of it this way. We're playing poker. Dunnstral and Titus just went all in on the first hand. Are you going to fold, or will you meet their gambit and call?
I, for one, am a gambling man. I know what I've got up my sleeves, and I'm confident they're bluffing.
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 1333, Zachstralkita wrote:For all the hype leading up to it, Dunnstral's "case" on Varsoon was utterly shit.
Yeah, so let's lynch Dunnstral so we can be done with this day.
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:04 am

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Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:04 am

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I actually think we could get a Dunnstral Wagon to lynch if we campaigned hard enough, though.
For real, for real.
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:05 am

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In post 1338, Performer wrote:...going to read Varsoon's wall.
Oh, please, if that's a wall, then I've built some truly monumental towers in my day.
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:06 am

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In post 1340, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1337, Varsoon wrote:Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.
I was REALLY hoping we wouldn't have to out like this.
I crumbed it in my first post, too. :/
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #27) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:08 am

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In post 91, Varsoon wrote:I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.
I've got your 'back' is the clue to look at things from back to front.
What's up my N-words is actually referencing Mason, because if read from back to front, it's Nosam.
Furthermore, in my last game as a Mason (Cohen Brothers Mafia), I was not town despite being in a Masonry.
That's why I said "Don't worry, I'm town" here.

Why would I make such a post without reading anything?
What point does it serve?
Purely role-crumbing.
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #28) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:10 am

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Lay the vote, then, Lapsa.
VOTE: Dunnstral
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:26 am

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When I find scum, I'll tunnel 'em. Fuck me, right?

Also, this implosion guy is exactly the kind of rube that Titus and Dunnstral are playing like a fiddle.
In post 1349, implosion wrote: -The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.
So, are you going to let every scum who takes a high-risk, barely-ever-seen gambit fool you? Way to play right into their hand. You're exactly the kind of player I'd love to play against as scum.
In post 1349, implosion wrote: -They are outed as power roles; they are, therefore, likely to be killed at night, meaning we don't have to try to sort them at all.
Not at all. If town, the nature of their claimed roles (Masons) informs the nightkill by letting the scum team know that they are not the powerful night action PRs (such as cop, doc, etc.) and so their chances of being killed are VERY low, especially because their play isn't helping town at all. Stack that on top of the fact that there is already seeded doubt about their roles and they've got a clear check to cash all the way to the LYLO line. This plays heavily into their favor as scum. We have to lynch them now or, otherwise, we'll never know outside of a cop clear or vig kill.
In post 1349, implosion wrote: -If by some miracle they are scum, they will keep surviving nights and they will become more and more likely scum candidates as the days go by, allowing us much more confidence in sorting them later
It's no miracle, first of all.
Second off, no. You'll just continue to conf-bias them as Masons and lose for it.

In post 1349, implosion wrote: -If we lynch other scum in that time, then the more scum we lynch, the more unlikely the masons are to be lying, making it easier to sort them later
If they are both scum, our chances of hitting scum with a lynch plummet significantly. Also, this logic is flawed, because other scum being lynched does not make their claim more or less valid at all.

In post 1349, implosion wrote: -At massclaim, if there is a huge abundance of power being claimed, they also become easier to sort then
You're assuming a massclaim will happen AND you're assuming that you can outguess the setup/mod. Garbage.

In post 1349, implosion wrote: I'd like to note that by
far
the most important of these points is the first; the rest are just supplementary to it. There are so many reasons that claiming masons on day one has astronomically higher risk than reward for scum.
Yes, which makes it an effective gambit.
I just counter-claimed masons.
So who is scum, dickhole?
You only get to be wrong once.
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 1368, implosion wrote:it's literally like before you've read the words in my post, you assume that what i've written is scum motivated and then apply that to what i've written

zach if you are town for fuck's sake have some intellectual honesty and try to fucking understand the points i'm making
I've just read your words and assessed that they're wrong.
Thanks for doubtcasting though, because insisting on a narrative where a player is scum-biasing you out the gate does wonders for town-posturing.
:3

I actually do think you're town, though, implosion. :D
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 1371, implosion wrote:
varsoon wrote:So, are you going to let every scum who takes a high-risk, barely-ever-seen gambit fool you? Way to play right into their hand. You're exactly the kind of player I'd love to play against as scum.
as i have explained 6-7 times in the past page.
If we lynch them on day four
they haven't fooled us!
they just delayed their lynches
and we don't care about that
because dead scum is dead scum.
Show me another game where you lynched claimed masons, please.
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:30 am

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T'was a ruse, Dunny.
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:57 am

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In post 1377, Dunnstral wrote:They're not actually claiming masons guys, don't be dumb
Oh man it's like you're doing the exact same thing I did where I was like "Guys Dunnstral and Titus aren't actually claiming masons, don't be dumb."

How does it feel to be on the other end of the shit?

More Dunnstral votes please.
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #34) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:50 am

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lol right here you rube
In post 306, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 297, Almost50 wrote:
In post 180, Dunnstral wrote:ok Zach mafia with either Shannon or Transcend
OK, who is NOT mafia in this game? Cuz you've voted or pointed the FoS on almost everything that moves thus far.
Alright let me break this one down for you

[Titus, Lapsa]
[Boem_u_dusi, implosion, Wake88]
[Nosferatu, Performer, Varsoon, Mirhawk]
[Airick10, Agar, podoboq, PeregrineV, shannon]
[Transcend, Almost50]
[Zachstralkita, Sickofit1138]
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #35) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:16 am

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In post 1483, Dunnstral wrote:Like I'm dead tonight anyway
No, you're lynched today.
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #36) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:43 am

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I'm a macho mason.
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #37) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:58 pm

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So, about those Dunnstral votes...
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #38) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:45 pm

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Is there a button you can use to hide all of a player's posts?
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:37 pm

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In post 1587, podoboq wrote:
In post 1586, Dunnstral wrote:Varsoon and Zach are fakeclaiming masons
If they come back and admit that, I'll fucking reevaluate, but until then, I'm going to take their claim at face value.
I'm not lying. Zach and I are masons.
Dunnstral and Titus are fake-claiming masons and Dunnstral is trying to lie and say that I'm fake-claiming as a mason because we caught them.

In post 1684, Zachstralkita wrote:Nah I retract, sorry Varsoon I think they might actually be masons so I made a judgement call.
Dude, this is the worst kind of reaction test that you could try out.
Now no one will believe the truth (that we are masons) because you wanted to bait reactions by retreating the claim.
What'd you even get out of that?
Gah, I wish we had daychat
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:39 pm

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@Podoboq: Because Dunnstral can't keep their narrative straight.
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:43 pm

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@Zach: BECAUSE IT'S DUMB AND UNDERMINES THE WHOLE POINT OF COUNTERCLAIMING IN THE FIRST PLACE
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:44 pm

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Like, Dunnstral and Titus claim Masons when I am a Mason
I tried to expose Dunnstral as scum.
Dunnstral plays the most obv-scum game in response.
No one votes Dunnstral.
Yeah I'm gonna claim and let town see where I'm coming from.
Going back on that as a reaction test just weakens that push to lynch Dunnscum, which is practically confirmed from my PoV
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Post Post #1757 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:46 pm

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VOTE: Dunnstral

¡LET'S TANGO!
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Post Post #1763 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:51 pm

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In post 1758, Mirhawk wrote:So you are masons then?
Yeah.
Ultimately, it comes down to who you're gonna trust:
A pair who claimed masons under pressure
or
A dude who counterclaimed masons when it was clear that the claimed mason wasn't going to be lynched otherwise

What's it gonna be?
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #45) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:06 pm

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Titus, you're doing that thing you do as scum where you try to tie an opponent down to another player everyone thinks is scum.

Correlation does not imply causation.

@Dunnstral: Isn't the fact you are familiar with the wiki for Masons imply that you're there a lot?
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:08 pm

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Man, I was about to fashion this defense for my partner arguing that first time players of a role often check the wiki to see suggested strategies and linked games with notable uses of the role.

Then I realized that Dunnstral could just say that's why he's been on the wiki so much. :P
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Post Post #1836 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:30 pm

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In post 1792, Dunnstral wrote:Oh did I not say it?

Day talk
In post 1829, Titus wrote:We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

I don't regret it.

Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.

Yet this group cannot do shit.

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Post Post #1841 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:32 pm

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Also I was going to propose a way to prove you have daychat through use of a code, although that wouldn't prove you as masons, just as daychatters. :3
See, what you do is:
Post the solution for the codex in the daychat.
Then one player writes entirely in code for a short sentence in the thread.
If the other player can't immediately decipher it publicly, then they don't have daychat.
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:33 pm

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Wake, you're going to shoot Dunnstral four times?
Insane.
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Post Post #1849 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:35 pm

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In post 1838, Titus wrote:Dunn I am never reclaiming. This has gone on long enough. We know they are lying to but they will keep up their bullshit claim just to lynch you.
I'm bubbling with delightedness.
And questions!

How did you know Dunnstral would go along with the claim/why did you go along with it?
Do you have a role connection that allowed that leverage/bond so that it wasn't such a test-of-faith?
What do you think of Dunnstral?
Etc
etc
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:46 pm

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To be fair, Titus, I did set you up for all'a dat.
Although this does bring me back to why you were chainsawing Dunnstral in the first place.
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:33 pm

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That was like 30 pages of catchup I had to do and it was all for a failed Titus wagon that sputtered out when she claims VT?
Wat?

C'mon, you lamers.
You have two players who have admitted to lying about being masons and you're giving them both passes for it? Why?
Also, since I don't get to post enough of 'em in my Bloodborne game:
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Post Post #2290 (isolation #53) » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:34 pm

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VOTE: Titus
If only because absolutely no one has any love for my Dunnstral wagon.
Fuck like
You morons, I CALLED OUT SOMEONE FAKE-CLAIMING MASONS, CAUGHT THEM, AND EXPOSED HOW ANTI-TOWN THEY WERE AND YOU'RE STILL TOWNREADING THEM!?!

We've already lost before we've begun.
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Post Post #2292 (isolation #54) » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:41 pm

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So you think AGar, Vedith, and Lapsa are scum?
Why?
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #55) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:09 pm

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I'm actually with AGar on this one.

Outside of Titus/Dunnstral? My reads are shit, mate. I've not been focusing on things outside of Titus/Dunnstral.
I think it's bothersome how much resistance there is to getting any wagon beyond six votes in this game, though.
Even players who look absolutely scummy (Dunnstral, Titus, Vedith, Sickofit) just have wagons that get stalled out.
The amount of vote-hoping and vote-holding that's happening bothers me.
We're 100 pages in. We shouldn't have six minor 1-or-2 vote wagons.
We need to consolidate and focus.
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Post Post #2540 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:21 pm

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I'm just going to stay in park.
I'm hungry.
Who wants to buy me a pizza?
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Post Post #2813 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:42 am

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I'm here but not really.
Also
Vedith scum flip is best flip.
Let's find Vedith buddies.
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Post Post #3060 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:24 pm

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In post 2815, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2813, Varsoon wrote:I'm here but not really.
That won't cut it any more.

You're also in my lynchpool.
In post 2857, Wake1 wrote:Varsoon's constant lack of presence and engagement has me wondering.

Yeah it's fucked almost like I'm hardly posting anywhere on the whole site and like I delayed my own modded game's night phase 48 hours and like I've been on V/LA up to this point.
Almost like I'm real busy in the real world doing stuff.

Take my word for it, I'm town.
OR don't take my word for it, whatever.
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Post Post #3174 (isolation #59) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:06 am

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In post 3103, beeboy wrote:
Sits and waits for Varsoon.
...for what, exactly?

I've got no leads besides still kinda wanting a lynch on Titus.
Dunny can be fine for now.
Oh, also, I can confirm one player as town, by the way, but only after a certain condition is met.
I don't know if that helps.
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Post Post #3175 (isolation #60) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:07 am

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Well, technically two conditions.
Condition 1 will stay a mystery for now.
Condition 2 is that I die, because then my role tells you that they're confirmed. :P
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Post Post #3177 (isolation #61) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:21 am

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I let you have that one, GiF.
You're always above me, always have been, always will.
Or perhaps that's why we're never in games together anymore;
You're afraid I'll topple you from your throne.
More like GuiltyInFreezer.
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Post Post #3178 (isolation #62) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:40 am

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Performer (4): Zachstralkita, Titus, AGar, Dunnstral

Wow such an exciting wagon that I never want to be a part of ever
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Post Post #3180 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:45 am

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Oh.
Why?
I don't think I've done shit this game to prove I'm town.
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Post Post #3182 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:50 am

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Oh.
What are the things I do as scum?
I used to be more analytical and seriously engaged as scum. Effort became a scumtell in someways.
Then I tried to shift to just kinda off-the-cuff MetalSonic sorts of play
And that was okay but
I think nowadays I just do what feels right.
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Post Post #3184 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:54 am

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Wake:
I actually haven't seen anything so egregious that it's pinged me hard enough to sink my teeth in. There are people that I feel are town, but I'm not certain on. There are a lot of players I think could be scum, but there's really nothing to 'hook' and go full ham on like I usually do. I tend to try to suss shit out like that, but, uggggh.

I mean, I really don't like Titus this game, but I also am kind of worried I could just be wrong.
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Post Post #3185 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:55 am

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I felt like counter-claiming masons to call out the obviously-false mason gambit was the right play to make and would generate worthwhile content and reads for me, but it really didn't get me anywhere.
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Post Post #3187 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:03 am

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Gotta be, it's tangling up my play, y'know? Got me playing like a scrub.

Wake, I'm sure you posted a bulleted list two pages ago that I neglected to read, but what are your thoughts on the game?
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Post Post #3189 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:07 am

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Why are you billing it as "mirhawk v Performer"?
Neither is voting the other.
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Post Post #3195 (isolation #69) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 3192, Titus wrote:
In post 3189, Varsoon wrote:Why are you billing it as "mirhawk v Performer"?
Neither is voting the other.
They're both scum. That's why. Second, billing it is a really pejorative way of stating the obvious Varsoon.

We have two wholly town wagons that cannot agree with Wake Varsoon and podog desperately trying to sell a Titus wagon again.

It's deja vu.
No, I want to know why Titus thinks these people are scum and why she's willing to shell out a townread on all players sitting on either wagon as an appeasement to keep them from hopping on her.
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Post Post #3207 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:08 am

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In post 3201, beeboy wrote:
In post 3196, Titus wrote:@Beeboy, Why is Varsoon townie? Wake at least put some selective meat onto his tunnel.
He wouldn't do that janky counter claim stuff as scum.
You can keep trying to scum hunt him if you want I am just going to skim over it.
Where are you conjuring your scummeta of me from, Beeboy?
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Post Post #3227 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:24 pm

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In post 3209, beeboy wrote:I am not using scum meta. I think that is a stupid move to do as scum and I don't think you are a stupid player.
In post 3210, beeboy wrote:Would you make a completely uncalculated risk as scum?
Hohboy.
Please never figure out how I got this title, kthx
I wanna snow you with some absolutely filthy bad gambit one day, beefboy.
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Post Post #3230 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:46 pm

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Hey, look, Boem, you're probably right.
VOTE: Boem
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Post Post #3231 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:47 pm

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Wait I meant
VOTE: Mirhawk
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Post Post #3232 (isolation #74) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:47 pm

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For some reason I thought voting you would vote the person you were voting man I need to go to sleep like right now.
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Post Post #3234 (isolation #75) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:48 pm

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Is it, though?
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Post Post #3235 (isolation #76) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:52 pm

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Post Post #3258 (isolation #77) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:41 am

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VOTE: implosion
I'm already sold on sheeping Boem.
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #78) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:07 am

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I don't know how to satisfy you, Wake, so, here, I slowed down a bit:



...get it? Geeeet it?
It's a comedic bit, done in a slower way.
Haha.
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Post Post #3264 (isolation #79) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:36 am

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In post 3261, Wake1 wrote: Not liking how Varsoon went from Boem immediately to Mirhawk and then Implosion. With his vote both major wagons are at 5 votes each.
I voted Boem by accident, yo.
I meant to vote for his target/sheep him on Mirhawk, because he was making good points about Mirhawk and I want us to consolidate on a wagon.
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Post Post #3316 (isolation #80) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:12 am

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Podopopo wagon is poopoo.
I will not support it.
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Post Post #3334 (isolation #81) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:39 am

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In post 3319, Wake1 wrote:Varsoon, join my Townbloc please.
Eh, there's one way you can prove you're absolutely without a doubt town to me.
It involves last night's actions, btw.
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Post Post #3337 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:57 am

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Actually, as far as I can understand, I can confirm two other players as town, but it would take those other players to be willing to out themselves, which, as far as I understand this setup, may not be the best idea.

I believe the vig claim, though. At the very least I have very good reason to believe the claimed extra kill is actually an extra kill.

So, really, before anyone gets lynched, they really need to claim, because I could legitimately just say, "No, that guy is actually town."

P-EDIT:
@Zach: Either because they are actual partners OR because Titus was gambitting to win town favor by protecting a player she knew was town and likely to be wagoned early/weak. As scum, it's a popular tactic to chainsaw the village idiot.
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Post Post #3348 (isolation #83) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:58 am

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No. I'm not going to elaborate. The people I can confirm should know who they are. Especially one of them.
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Post Post #3626 (isolation #84) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:25 am

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If you lynch someone before they claim in this game, you're an idiot.
I literally have the ability to confirm two different players as town based on their claims.
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Post Post #3631 (isolation #85) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:47 am

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In post 3628, AGar wrote:No but seriously, I'm not really sure I trust someone who was convinced counter-fake-claiming masons was a good idea as to whether or not they actually know if their role can confirm a player as town or not indefinitely, because I generally think you're an idiot right now.
Then lose the fucking game, you proud dunce.
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Post Post #3634 (isolation #86) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:09 am

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I'm not going to elaborate on it, Mirhawk. Doing so leads the scum kill in a way that could fuck it all up.
But whatever.
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Post Post #3638 (isolation #87) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:17 am

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I don't want to lynch people I might be able to confirm as town.
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Post Post #3640 (isolation #88) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:21 am

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Yes.
Unless they already did and I missed it?
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Post Post #3645 (isolation #89) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:39 am

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I don't think she'll outguess me.
I said what I did knowing that scum would probably have time to figure it out.
That's also why I've held onto what I have.
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Post Post #3693 (isolation #90) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:22 pm

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Okay, Mirhawk, let's say that your role tells you info that essentially says
"In this game, a town player is XXXX role."
You'd care about claims way more, right?
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Post Post #3696 (isolation #91) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:32 pm

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Oh if they're scummy and don't get saved by the claim, we lynch them dude.
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Post Post #3699 (isolation #92) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:40 pm

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Post Post #4119 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:38 am

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We need to end the day so I can stop getting prods! :D
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Post Post #4169 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:47 am

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If you havin' role problems, I feel bad for you son
He's got 99 posts but a claim ain't one
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Post Post #4206 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:01 pm

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I'm not scumreading Boem
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Post Post #4221 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:03 pm

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In post 4207, Wake1 wrote:
In post 4206, Varsoon wrote:I'm not scumreading Boem
If you would, I'd like to understand why.
I liked his reasoning on some of the earlier scumreads of his like Implosion or whatever.
That's why I sheeped him.
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Post Post #4227 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:59 pm

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I can confirm that Mirhawk is a doctor.
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Post Post #4234 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:03 pm

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In post 4214, Wake1 wrote:I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.
VOTE: Titus

Can we just end this?
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Post Post #4258 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:23 pm

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I am a backup Nurse.
I know there is a Nurse and a Doctor in the game.
I had thought my role told me they were a
town
nurse and doctor, but it turns out that they could be any alignment.
At the very least, I can confirm their claim, which is likely to be town, imo.
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Post Post #4263 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:25 pm

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Not lying.

My first post.
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Post Post #4265 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:26 pm

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In post 91, Varsoon wrote:I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.
Consider the crumbs now that you know I'm a back-up Nurse.
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Post Post #4272 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:29 pm

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In post 4266, Dunnstral wrote:Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?
Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.
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Post Post #4286 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:35 pm

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Yeah, Wake, s'why I brought more attention to it when faking masons.
It works though, doesn't it?


Also, yes, it literally says BACKUP NURSE and not BACKUP DOCTOR.


And I imagine that if the Nurse becomes the Doctor, they are no longer the Nurse, which means I don't become the Doctor when they die, if that makes sense.

I am simply a backup for the backup.
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Post Post #4298 (isolation #104) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:43 pm

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In post 4289, Titus wrote:Varsoon, you want to lynch Wake or podog?
Hhaahahaha no.
In post 4293, podoboq wrote:
In post 4286, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, Wake, s'why I brought more attention to it when faking masons.
It works though, doesn't it?


Also, yes, it literally says BACKUP NURSE and not BACKUP DOCTOR.


And I imagine that if the Nurse becomes the Doctor, they are no longer the Nurse, which means I don't become the Doctor when they die, if that makes sense.

I am simply a backup for the backup.
Wait, so there seem to be some questions about your role. I suggest you PM the mod and get back to us when you have answers.

1) Please clarify. Is Varsoon a backup NURSE, not a backup DOCTOR?
2) If a Doctor dies, and the Nurse replaces that Doctor, is the Backup Nurse still able to upgrade into anything in the future?
1. I am a backup NURSE.
2. I only replace a NURSE when they die. Based on the wording of my role, if a NURSE becomes a DOCTOR, then when they die, I will not back them up.
I'll ask the mod, I guess?
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Post Post #4332 (isolation #105) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:38 pm

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In post 4307, Wake1 wrote:Varsoon, this is crazy.

I need you to weigh in on this.
On what?
Titus is scum.
VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #4334 (isolation #106) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:44 pm

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Because Titus is scum.
Also because fake-masons gambit with someone they don't even have a PT with.


Mod says if the Nurse becomes a Doctor and they die, I get to become a Doctor.
So I'm not totally useless as far as mechanics go.
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Post Post #4537 (isolation #107) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:30 am

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Titus says that her wagon is scum fueled when it's me pushing it.
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Post Post #4541 (isolation #108) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:32 am

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Wait what is this about gundams?
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Post Post #4544 (isolation #109) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:34 am

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TELL ME ABOUT THE GUNDAMS, TITUS.
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Post Post #4738 (isolation #110) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:08 pm

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Oh, I'm a nurse now, by the way.
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Post Post #4740 (isolation #111) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:15 pm

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Doctor died.
Previous Nurse stepped up to being a Doctor.
I stepped up to being a Nurse.
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Post Post #4743 (isolation #112) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:18 pm

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Right when PeregrineV was lynched and the thread was locked, I was told, by the mod, that my role had been changed to Town Nurse.
So it is what it is.
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Post Post #5190 (isolation #113) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 5126, Zachstralkita wrote:A50, the fact that you're alive makes it harder for me to believe your claim.

I want to know who Varsoon protected

Yo a JK doesn't really make sense with a doctor and a backup nurse in this setup. What the fuck?
No one? I'm not a doctor yet.

I also do not know why A50 thinks I am Bulletproof.
I am not Bulletproof.
I am just a Backup Nurse. And now I'm a Nurse.
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Post Post #5196 (isolation #114) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:44 am

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Unless Dunnstral is the SK and has been shooting town on the regular.
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Post Post #5198 (isolation #115) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:57 am

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Touche.
Tooooouche.
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Post Post #5203 (isolation #116) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:07 pm

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Why Airick?
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Post Post #5387 (isolation #117) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:06 am

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Well what now
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Post Post #5390 (isolation #118) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:51 am

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...you don't 'nurse' people.
You doctor people.
Nurse is just a backup doctor.
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Post Post #5392 (isolation #119) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:03 am

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Nurse doesn't have a night action.
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Post Post #5394 (isolation #120) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:08 am

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I don't think you understand?
Peregrine was a Doctor.
Some other player was a Nurse, which become a doctor when a Doctor dies.
I am a backup Nurse, which becomes a Nurse when a Nurse either dies or become a doctor.

Peregrine was lynched and flipped doctor.
I was then made a Nurse, because the Nurse player became a Doctor.

I forget who claimed odd-night (or was it even-night?) doctor, but they should fall under some scrutiny here.
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Post Post #5467 (isolation #121) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:13 pm

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I'm totes cool with a zach lynch.
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Post Post #5469 (isolation #122) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:35 pm

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VOTE: Zach Sach
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Post Post #5472 (isolation #123) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:53 pm

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In post 5470, Dunnstral wrote:Zach was on both vedith and airick though
Scum never bus ever amirite
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Post Post #5479 (isolation #124) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:15 pm

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fuck it man
VOTE: Agar
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Post Post #5507 (isolation #125) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:53 pm

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Hahahah
Cop is such a trash role.
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Post Post #5553 (isolation #126) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:39 pm

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VOTE: Goldman Zachs
VOTE: Ballzach
VOTE: Zach Hill
VOTE: Exzacktly as expected
VOTE: Zakk
VOTE: Zach
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Post Post #5645 (isolation #127) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:11 pm

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Jesus fucking christ.
I couldn't have crumbed Nurse on my first post D1 if your suggestion is correct, because you're speculating I rolecoped implosion.

I say we don't shoot me because that's stupid.
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Post Post #5651 (isolation #128) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:28 pm

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In post 5647, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Maybe you got N0 check? Anyway, who are your top suspects Varsoon?
Because there was time on N0 for me to make the check, too. Also, the mod would probably have to publicly announce that N0 action submission is a thing because this is a normal setup. But yes...
In post 5648, Boem_u_dusi wrote:I'm probably tinfoiling at this point.
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Post Post #5815 (isolation #129) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:23 am

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<3
But srsly lets lynch people and win
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Post Post #5853 (isolation #130) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:46 pm

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VOTE: Zach

Whatever.
Done.
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Post Post #5890 (isolation #131) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:41 pm

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VOTE: Boem

Ayyy get lynched.
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Post Post #5893 (isolation #132) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:43 pm

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Post Post #5894 (isolation #133) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:44 pm

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Sick of Boem's balding face all game,
like shave the head or give up on life, fam.
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Post Post #5900 (isolation #134) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:46 pm

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Dude I haven't been reading anything.
I guess I'll go back and see.
And nah it's no blitz or anything, I just wanted to hammer a dude and be like
BRRRAP BRAAAP PEW PEW
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Post Post #5901 (isolation #135) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:48 pm

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Oh yeah that was the spoiled one where you madea case on Boem.
Yes, that's kinda why I hammered.
I was like
"Well that sounds good and the dude is at L-1 and I'm voting an apparent innocent or something?"
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Post Post #5907 (isolation #136) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:50 pm

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Post Post #6346 (isolation #137) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:41 pm

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Shrugs and hugs
I figured it was A50, but ayy, what're ya gonna do?

I think I played my role right, though.

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