Gay Dance! [Donezo]

[Ankamius]

brb replacing in

[Ankamius]

Nimueh needs to do more before she can be locked into a read

[Ankamius]

She's town

[Ankamius]

Nah he's town

[Ankamius]

no real point Cheeky, I guarantee you this 1v1 will go nowhere

[Ankamius]

that's not what I'm talking about pie

I'm saying that your debate with nimueh is going to go nowhere

[Ankamius]

hm

I don't think I can say more without outing her main

but idk, I can just see this becoming a huge distraction that apathies the game out and very little of worth being added to the game from it

and I don't think she's left her scumrange yet and the best way to assess her alignment is to let her do her own thing

shrug

[Ankamius]

yeah I know

addressing that is what would out her main :V

[Ankamius]

eh

I think she is pretty transparently different as both alignments and hasn't necessarily shown it yet, so going that route is more productive imo

if she becomes obvtown, then that might change things a bit for me

[Ankamius]

and if she becomes obvscum, then this discussion doesn't even matter since they just die first anyways

[Ankamius]

I mean

I still think gamma is more likely to be scum than town, but I'm not entirely sure that lynching them first is necessarily the best choice because of that if I can be certain on nimueh being town

I'm sort of in that phase where I think I have a solid enough grasp on the game where it would be more productive to cull pairings I'm less sure about on both ends rather than lynching actual scumreads if they're attached to strong townreads if that makes sense

[Ankamius]

eh

something about the way he asked out ausuka pinged me, and eventually I realized that I was completely blanking on why I was townreading him in the first place

I used to have a metric to read him by that was generally accurate

and I think I'm starting to remember what it was

maybe I'll reISO him

[Ankamius]

yeah idk

I distantly remember him having this way of phrasing things that made him feel like he was narrating his thoughts rather than saying his thoughts as scum that didn't really happen as town, and I'm seeing instances of this occasionally in his ISO, but it's sparse enough that I'm not sure if he occasionally just talks that way or is aware of it being scum-indicative for him on some level that he's holding it back somewhat

[Ankamius]

ngl part of why I want that pairing dead is because I provably can't read ausuka, and without having a good basis behind how to read vecna, he's always going to be someone I'm going to be uncomfortable having a strong read on

[Ankamius]

I've seen Ausuka's scum game twice (albeit once as the backup mod) and I've seen evidence of that both times

[Ankamius]

Oh funny enough the other instance was a game I wasn't even in, it was the game earlier this year where there was a MD thread to talk about it

She was scum and fooled me in that game too

[Ankamius]

I generally don't subscribe to other people's reads on general stuff onlike that anymore, Creature proved that can suddenly not work anymore on a dime

[Ankamius]

Btw pie do you still need my scumgames

[Ankamius]

kk

[Ankamius]

Can you expand on that please, what about that angle is specifically town?

[Ankamius]

do scum necessarily need to commit to their predance plans though?

All they need to do is not be completely fucked going into intermission in order to be fine since it's more important to just look town before that

[Ankamius]

I think scum are less likely to care about that in predance than the first two pairs to get lynched

[Ankamius]

I think we are literally stuck on arguing the same point for different reasons

[Ankamius]

Like, yeah, it is the kind of thing that can be discerned better in second dance

But I have a lot of townreads that don't rely on things that resolve in second dance and I hold the stance of things looking town are not town, BEING town is town

[Ankamius]

What???

I think your pairing is the most likely intermission kill

[Ankamius]

Tell me this pie

Who is the first dance lynch pool then

[Ankamius]

I can understand ge and nim

Why the other three

[Ankamius]

Oh

Okay

[Ankamius]

We are going to be majorly butting heads first dance, because at this point I'd be most willing for my pairing to leave of the three, and I'm not comfortable at all with leaving first dance anymore regardless of GRob's alignment

[Ankamius]

Ausuka

[Ankamius]

If there's one thing that runs chills down my spine, it's people responding to scumreads or lack of townreads on them by saying "I'm town and I'm unlynchable"

[Ankamius]

Pie do you think there's a SvS pairing in this game

[Ankamius]

Let her work

[Ankamius]

GIF are you getting the same impression I am?

[Ankamius]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I might need to double check some of my reads more urgently

[Ankamius]

Hi shiro

[Ankamius]

I would expect no less from you, especially considering MD game. Ank is my 3rd tr so far. Cool.

what

[Ankamius]

Idk what that even means

[Ankamius]

My last two posts are connected thoughts btw

[Ankamius]

(meanwhile this isn't outside of pie's scum range)

What's your pie read atm?

[Ankamius]

That's a good read

[Ankamius]

I don't think pie is as town as people thinks she is either

[Ankamius]

I'll organize my thoughts on her in my pt, but I've gotten impressions of an agenda from her recently

I think it's not impossible she's scum trying to push herself to be the endgame pair

[Ankamius]

Fire what are your reads atm

[Ankamius]

Idk why you hate townreading me

[Ankamius]

When was the last time I was wrong

[Ankamius]

I'm sorry you tend to obvtown fire

[Ankamius]

Fire is afraid of me pulling a Timeshift on him again :V

[Ankamius]

Lmao

(:

[Ankamius]

Unlikely to zero chance

[Ankamius]

Yeah I find it unlikely because of how I see the gamestate

[Ankamius]

I feel like I'm attending a Ted talk except it's in hieroglyphics

[Ankamius]

:thinking:

[Ankamius]

Yes I was

[Ankamius]

Didn't he do next to nothing???

[Ankamius]

Lmao welcome to my world when anyone claims to be able to read me

[Ankamius]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm so far out of my scumrange it's insane, just nobody knows HOW to read me

[Ankamius]

Town almost never wins when they mislynch me

I think it's happened once ever?

[Ankamius]

I'll decide that myself.

[Ankamius]

I am telling you that I am capable of seeing when it's time to flip my pairing and I trust that it will be blatantly obvious I'm town by the time that time comes

This is exactly what happened last game even though I never had to leave.

[Ankamius]

Town no lynched first dance because of the coin mechanic

[Ankamius]

He's talking like he is townreading me on this page (?)

[Ankamius]

pie thinking Ank could be scum after Ank started talking to me about potential pie scum is ????

That read comes into play, specifically, if GE/Nimueh and Vecna/Ausuka are both town pairs.

???

is this a BoP read?

[Ankamius]

^ that last question was stupid

I'll answer anyway

my other options were:

Oka: wasn't townreading
Gamma: wasn't townreading
Kirari: wasn't townreading
Fire: townreading but always leaves, probably at some random stupid time just to fuck with me

[Ankamius]

what about altina, gamma?

[Ankamius]

what about altina, gamma?

She's cute. Looks like she's sleeping

she's cold and emotionless

[Ankamius]

Spoiler: cold steel 2

Personality
Despite Altina's appearance, she seems to have somewhat a more mature personality yet all the while emotionless which is the opposite of Millium. She acts seriously with pre-programmed behavior of escalating her situation, matter of targets, and objectives as described robotic. But little by little Altina shows emotion within her outer shell, as Rean seems to have her experience more from when he lectured her about her actions. At first Altina was unable to comprehend about her conflicted feelings at while most times, but admits the obvious actions Rean has done to say something he is not that causes misconception.

[Ankamius]

first

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Vecna

[Ankamius]

also

my condolences to croag for getting screwed like that as scum through largely no fault of his own

[Ankamius]

I'm a twinkle little mermaid girl

[Ankamius]

Btw there's only 3 pairings with slots I'm not townreading

[Ankamius]

Ausuka + Vecna
Sakura Hana + pienyan
CheekyTeeky + Shiro

[Ankamius]

I think the only way Sakura is scum is if pie is also scum

Which is just... what lol

[Ankamius]

Feel free

[Ankamius]

Ausuka + Vecna
Sakura Hana + pienyan
CheekyTeeky + Shiro

I can read one of those people. Maybe.

hi how are you Bingle what's your read on the game

[Ankamius]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

[Ankamius]

Why Jingle

You didn't hold that opinion in pyp

[Ankamius]

Neat

Tbh as long as ausuka/Vecna also doesn't endgame, my job until maybe even the end of second dance is basically over

[Ankamius]

GR what are you doing

[Ankamius]

chenn how does the paranoia feel

[Ankamius]

congratulations chenn you've become one of the privileged ones

enjoy your ptsd

[Ankamius]

Humhum

[Ankamius]

which game was it

I kinda remember it happening but idr which game specifically

[Ankamius]

Oh

Yeah that probably counts even though I didn't really HAVE to read you :V

[Ankamius]

This start of day is so confusing

What the fuck is this

[Ankamius]

I feel like I went through a wormhole or something

[Ankamius]

I don't think the way he started D1 makes that likely

[Ankamius]

It's so bizarre for him to spend this much effort as scum using a strategy that isn't working when he has enough shields to survive the onslaught, especially when that extra towncred option is right there

Like what

[Ankamius]

Literally all I need is a locktown read on Bingle and that's enough for the rest of the game to not matter

[Ankamius]

Hey Bingle do you have any lazy scumgames for me to peek at

[Ankamius]

Oka is just town, so fireoka is a TvT pair

[Ankamius]

Vecna is scum

[Ankamius]

His posting just turns to crap all of a sudden even before the 600 posts he wasn't here for

[Ankamius]

Let me check something

[Ankamius]

Vecna + Pienyan is a reasonable scumteam

[Ankamius]

Btw I double checked my past games with Vecna

Either his game vastly degraded or he's just scum, his iso is horrible

[Ankamius]

Ank was supposed to leave the dance since we had a lynch order. That never happened so I don't trust people to leave as they're supposed to.

You do realize that the only reason I never suicided was because the game ended right

I was always planning to suicide in starry night

[Ankamius]

I did think she was town

I was going to suicide anyways because both of my hard townreads were scumreading her

[Ankamius]

His early iso is also terrible

[Ankamius]

Read through his iso and tell me what he actually says that's relevant to anything like all game

[Ankamius]

He plays mafia as town and he plays narrate the game as scum

He's narrating the game

[Ankamius]

I'm paranoid of my hot pockets coming out cold

[Ankamius]

He plays mafia as town and he plays narrate the game as scum

He's narrating the game

In a vacuum, I don't think this is a fair argument at all. This game has been really fast, he's been behind all game and so I can totally understand trying to catch up and then just getting burned out.

Do you know him to play like this even when he's playing so far behind?

He was doing this since the beginning of the game???

[Ankamius]

Do you know what a narrator is Gamma

[Ankamius]

He's not prefabricating

He's more explaining what's going on and presenting it like he's trying to sort

[Ankamius]

That's not even going into his emphasis on how hard he is to lynch as town when he starts catching scumreads

That was also great

[Ankamius]

He was doing this since the beginning of the game???

I remember him catching up, then we talked a little bit about Gamma, he did a few more things, left and when he came back the game had exploded far enough that he couldn't get current again.

Okay

Are you seeing the narrating point

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

brb I need to check how reliable my reasoning is

its reliability is about 20%. Not bad tbh.

This guy is gonna pocket me really bad if he keeps posting this

dont worry gif i am still lynchbait somethings never change

Yeah this slot feels like lynchbait, but very towny lynchbait. Id pair with it to protect it

chennis is looking like a tryhard by saying too many things that really go without saying

Can you give examples?

This slot feels like it needs to go on first glance. Talk about misguided tryhard trying to pounce on poor eggboy

If people are gonna pair with their scumreads and suicide then we arent really playing mafia, just agreed suicide bombing.

Which is still hella entertaining, and probably a little terrifying for scum with their puny team.

Also Im bitmap none of you can read me suck it. hahahahahahahahahahahaahahawhahahahahahaghuyaeswjkbh asdzjknvdfszkljn;adfsgvkl;jndafvkjn;dfvalldjkn;favdafvzl;jkn

Im gonna actively dislike this slot I think. Also really didnt like the first catchup post from it.

If Bitmap wasnt here I wouldve proposed to firebringer.
I think if I get paired with Ank I'd need to effort which does not run in my vein.

Id say in this setup, proposing to either Fire or Ank is one hell of a towntell. Those slots are gonna drag you out into the cold faster than you can order a beer

i townread you out of convenience

because you being dead is one less person who townread me

and if you were going to flip before me, I'd establish a decent line of credibility wrt Gamma because I would be right and running against consensus

this is scummy

if ur town u shouldn't care about being townread

hmm

HMMMMMMMMM

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

FOS: Oka

What a load of bullshit. Openly caring about being townread is both a towntell (if youre honest about it without having reason to), and something a whole lot more people should do so they stop sucking and get mislynched all the damn time.

I think Oka looks sort of better now tbh. But people saying he's the type who looks like a lynchbait as town and not as scum throws a wrench in that.

How come? He looks like massive lynchbait. If he looks different as scum then isnt it obvious whats going on here?

Like I know it feels good and all to say "i'm a pure man and just wanna SOLVE THIS GAME idc about the general attitude towards me" but mafia is a team game man. If you don't have enough credibility you can't drive lynches on scum as town, ya know?

Oka is probably wrong about chennis though. Such a fluffy slot.

Why does ANYONE think chennis is town?

That screaming feeling of gut instinct. The fact you dont feel it......probably means something. Probably. Maybe

I'm here to ensure that no one has any fun. That is all.

Wait, this slot is also in here. Hmmm

so...

chennis why aren't you pushing for the Sakura/Pie combo?

this combo would be quite something. Id probably wanna suspicion-lynch is at every point in the game, but thats ok.

I mean who really cares who has checked in or not.

i don't.

we can solve this game together sakura, just u and me.

with me pocketing u along the way, it will be good times by all.

Someone talk to me on this though.

Isnt the ancient FB meta something like this:

Happy, energetic, you-want-to-like-him FB: Scum
Slow, spitefull, makes you feel like he really would rather be stuffing his face with concrete than talking to you FB: Town

Gamma being too serious is a scumtell right?

Cheeky, stop saying things before me to make me look bad

@Ank: can u solve this game so i can be gay with GIF in PT?

As long as we don't have most of the pairings set before I get to really sit down with the game, sure

You should know youre probably gonna be left of a choice between scum and me (its some weird popularity contest after all, even sexy me cannot compete with all this fluffy anime nonsense - hoho, that should make me popular - ).

You'll choose the scum. Ill be sad.

oh well

bitmap is mafia we hardlynch that pair d1

Spicy panda entrance hot-take

i guess part of the balance is people's choices for partners + Paranoia. Just like how I lost this game on my first time playing it

methinks paranoia gets you in a lot of games

Giffy's probably town actually.

Sakura and GiF are my first townreads

If I was a Gay I wouldn't pair with Oka

Wow I'm being townread at page 3 in a pregame
I really lost my touch

Thirding the weirdness about Chenny already town reading Sakura and GiF

Tbh with GiF Sakura and Bitmap already sorted as town imo we're already almost to auto win if Cheeky pairs with Sakura

So youre saying that these three players have already done enough for you to never want to lynch them? Interesting.

Id say theres easily a 28% chance that theres at least 1 scum in there.

Wtf does that even mean

We both endgamed starry night

You did?

I dno, maybe im attributing firebringer-characteristics onto you, but he really feels like the type that just decides theres maybe a 30% chance youre scum, he doesnt wanna play anymore, 4the-lulz, goodbye.

Maybe im outdated. Its that mental image I have.

im flattered anka but there can only be one gay man in my heart

This pairing feels like the type of power-duo that scum might be forced to kill over the IC.

Im comforted knowing eggboy will be protected by mother panda

If I literally have to pair with FB and he leaves, I'm going to be very annoyed

And he will.

See, this fear is what I was talking about.

You never know. He might decide to leave you at any point.

what scum would ever wanna pair with him (if he is town that is).

Ankamius, would you like to dance?

Put your money where your mouth is then :3

Spicy as fuck.

But the key point here is the fact your reason is horrible. The game's barely started and your whole reason for scum reading him (a player who's had a lot of negative attention) is not only a preflip association, but with someone who's barely even posted - even if you firmly scum read GR it's just way too early and too bullshit to scum read Oka tying them together. It just looks like a forced reason to push lynchbait and what you're doing here feels like a nitpicky argument without actually trying to question my point.

There's much more to the association than just the pressure to pair with GRob imo, and I don't see how GRob or Oka had "barely posted". Also, I don't regard Oka as lynchbaity town, Ank, Fire, and some other should back me up on that. I don't buy into anything you've said, and the fact you're trying to combat me like this just makes me even more inclined to stick to my guns given I already do not trust you.

Hmmm, Gamma is waking up, guns blazing. This post I like quite a bit more than what he started the game with. I cannot read Gamma for shit though, but its sure entertaining.

Gamma being too serious is a scumtell right?

Cheeky, stop saying things before me to make me look bad

If you think that's actually a tell for me you don't fucking know me

Im just noting all your different flavours. Sometimes youre stiff, sometimes youre fluffy, sometimes youre being a badass.

If only I knew what any of it meant.

Actually, what needs to happen here is pretty clear-cut. Pienyan seems like the slot that is in a good need of sorting, but that will provide for a damn power-partner if that sorting can happen properly.

And the slot actually talks, which is a win.

Pienyan, wanna dance?

Look at all these posts and tell me wtf he's doing to sort this game

I skipped a few posts and really all I saw up to that point for sorting was his several posts just calling oka town and his weird trajectory on gamma where he goes into how he can't read Gamma but he's sure suspicious of him anyway

And then he makes a big show of asking pie out by saying she needs to be sorted and is a power player if town

After sorting two slots and mentioning like half a dozen more.

How is this slot town again?

[Ankamius]

He has a lot of "HEY THIS SLOT/INTERACTION EXISTS!" posts

That's not sorting

[Ankamius]

Read Vecna's takes on me and Bitmap again Ank

This happened?

[Ankamius]

I'm seeing a lot of "perpetually behind" when a significant amount of his iso is from when he wasn't

[Ankamius]

And no, it's very easy to pick 1-2 slots and force thoughts on them when you have to

And I'm pretty sure I remember noting Vecna only had a particular read on the Gamma thing after I posted the same thing

[Ankamius]

btw I find it very odd that pienyan of all people keeps arguing this "perpetually behind" point when I fully expect her to be more on the ball about details like this than I am

Vecna's ISO is the initial catch up, then he stayed caught up for a while, then he fell behind. His ISO is virtually identical throughout all three phases.

[Ankamius]

and how much of it was of value exactly?

[Ankamius]

ok

vote isn't moving

[Ankamius]

that's not vecna's style

[Ankamius]

except I'm obvtown

[Ankamius]

I assume it's my scumread of you

[Ankamius]

let's be real here

how many possible scum even are there

cheekyteeky is IC
fire is obvtown
nimueh is obvtown
gif is obvtown
chenn is obvtown
sakura is obvtown

bingle is reasonably strong town
okapoka is reasonably strong town
gamma emerald is reasonably strong town

bitmap is probably town
golden robster is probably town

that literally leaves {Vecna, Ausuka, pienyan, Shiro}

[Ankamius]

like even if you put my weakest townreads in the poe pile

Fire/Oka, Nimueh/Gamma, Chenn/Bingle are still the endgame groupings, and 90% of the time Cheeky/Shiro is the kill anyways

I find it extremely unlikely that literally everybody outside of this list is town

[Ankamius]

I'm going down the list until I have reason not to

[Ankamius]

nimueh is obvtown
gamma is probtown

[Ankamius]

gif what are you thinking overall atm

[Ankamius]

ok

how do you feel about the chenn/bingle attack at the start of the day

and the current vecna/ausuka attack

[Ankamius]

pretty sure it was chenn

[Ankamius]

Your posting was no less terrible when you were caught up

Stop using the always catching up point as an excuse, it doesn't fly.

[Ankamius]

I'm also amused about the shade pie keeps heaping onto my back about this lynch being scum motivated

I've been very clear where my head is at this game and I've supported this pairing leaving early for a good many pages, it doesn't make any sense to call this a "scum-motivated push" without a damn lot of justification

[Ankamius]

Which townreads am I wrong on vecna

[Ankamius]

You call my hunting surface level, it is not.

I look for things that are simply town, no ifs ands or buts

If I see strong evidence that I incorrectly townread someone, I pool through the list and see who I incorrectly townlocked

The obvtown list are people I'm 100% convinced on

The rest are possibly scum, but it's far more productive to flip the slots I'm not townreading because that's far more info for my reads than lynching my townreads and having a far more likely chance of flipping them exactly as the read I expected them to be

[Ankamius]

People get so bogged down on bullshit on this site and it's generally the type of content that most scum on the site are adept at faking if they're adept at faking anything

I bypass that entirely and find people's alignment from the parts of their play that is harder to fake

[Ankamius]

you're not hitting endgame even if you don't die d1

[Ankamius]

the best way to convince me that you're town is by not doing all this posturing about how you're so town that you're never going to be lynched

and instead SHOW it

[Ankamius]

ok

doesn't change the fact that my PoE list is 4 players

[Ankamius]

you
vecna
ausuka
pienyan

[Ankamius]

my stance right now is that vecna+pienyan scumteam NEEDS to be sorted, the way both slots have been handling this push has enough scum-motivation in this specific team that it can't be allowed to go too far in the game without addressing

it really doesn't help that I think half the game is just pretty obvtown and the other two scumreads are more because :SHRUG: than anything else

my lower townreads are the first to be reassessed if this specific team is disproven and the vecna+ausuka pairing is TvT

[Ankamius]

oka feels a loooooooot close to gameshow than starry night

[Ankamius]

plus I've noticed that his contributions in this thread are generally more relevant to the game than they were in starry night

he strikes me as the kind of player that can't fake contribution well enough to be convincing as scum, so I'm fine just townbinning him until I have to reassess his alignment

[Ankamius]

because pienyan endgames this game 0% of the time

so in a pienyan!scum world, her partner HAS to be the endgame pairing.

[Ankamius]

her defense of ausuka was one of the first things that pinged me about her since that entire string of posts didn't entirely make sense from a consistent mindset

then she does this weird defense of you today when you've specifically been looking to be the endgame pairing, a mindset that hasn't changed even in this recent posting since you keep bringing it up ad nauseum

[Ankamius]

Also the statement of: "im not reassessing unless I see flips" is not a towny mindset.

New shit happens. People actually put in effort when pushed for it.

Were not flipping a perfectly readable TvT pair just because YOU are incapable of adjusting your mindset.

hi I have a solve

why do I need to reassess a solve that isn't tested

[Ankamius]

sakura said she isn't allowing pienyan to endgame as scum, I trust her to keep to that

pienyan as scum HAS to take that into account and play to not have to be in endgame

[Ankamius]

Also the statement of: "im not reassessing unless I see flips" is not a towny mindset.

New shit happens. People actually put in effort when pushed for it.

Were not flipping a perfectly readable TvT pair just because YOU are incapable of adjusting your mindset.

hi I have a solve

why do I need to reassess a solve that isn't tested

Because its wrong, but to disprove it it requires almost half the playerlist to die?

how does resolving a singular two-person scumteam read require half the playerlist to die exactly

[Ankamius]

I don't actually believe pienyan + shiro is a possible team

[Ankamius]

no, I'm looking at my townreads again

[Ankamius]

Why not?

banking on a cheeky+shiro endgame isn't remotely a safe play, and the way pienyan is playing in this scenario doesn't improve her chances of endgaming solo

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Vecna

Fine.

Pie, you decide the lynch. If you lynch a TvT time, Vecna/Ausuka dies.

[Ankamius]

TvT pairing*

[Ankamius]

Of course you don't.

[Ankamius]

You know I wanted a towngame of his where he was behind like this so I could try to understand your meta read here and you never even gave me one, right?

I've never seen THAT, but I've seen enough of the differences in his posting to not believe it even matters

because as you two keep ignoring, he had a sizable portion of his ISO where he

WAS

caught up, and he did the exact same thing

Ankamius has never played a game with me as scum, fyi

incorrect. I was in Biochemistry.

[Ankamius]

................................................

[Ankamius]

ok

doesn't change the fact that my PoE list is 4 players

you
vecna
ausuka
pienyan

Also the statement of: "im not reassessing unless I see flips" is not a towny mindset.

New shit happens. People actually put in effort when pushed for it.

Were not flipping a perfectly readable TvT pair just because YOU are incapable of adjusting your mindset.

hi I have a solve

why do I need to reassess a solve that isn't tested

I don't actually believe pienyan + shiro is a possible team

[Ankamius]

pie if you don't think that this pairing is necessarily good to keep alive

and you should hopefully be aware that I have a tunnel tendency

that maybe

if my solve is proven wrong

I'll reassess like I've been saying I would

[Ankamius]

you should reread my post pie

[Ankamius]

no wait now I understand what you mean

fine I'll leave the thread for the day

[Ankamius]

nimueh why are you sheeping me

[Ankamius]

what are your reads

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Nimueh

[Ankamius]

I don't think you're town anymore

[Ankamius]

I thought your entrance to the game wasn't town, but I knew you were sick so I overlooked it and waited

I thought your sorting looked town enough, so I put you in the "look at later" list and let you do your own thing

but now you're back to posting things that aren't town

[Ankamius]

How does your scum read on her play in with your whole Vecna/me scum theory anyway? Vecna-her? Me-her? Or are you just trying to start fresh? I don't really get it.

I won't lie, a lot of the reason I want that pairing gone is specifically because I think it's the bitmap of this game where I won't be able to ever get past it

[Ankamius]

I thought your entrance to the game wasn't town, but I knew you were sick so I overlooked it and waited

I thought your sorting looked town enough, so I put you in the "look at later" list and let you do your own thing

but now you're back to posting things that aren't town

What have I posted in your opinion that isn’t town? I don’t understand your thinking here at all. I think my posting here has been pretty obviously town but I’ve given up in trying to get you to read me accurately.

1. you didn't confront me about my incorrect read on kirari
2. you didn't confront me... at all, really
3. your reads are all easy
4. you have no scumreads
5. you have enough awareness of what's going on in the game to have an opinion on what's going on, but your reads didn't get shaped by it at all

[Ankamius]

chenn I'm more worried that people are going to buy into Vecna's bullshit that his pairing is endgame worthy when half the game is endgame worthy over them

[Ankamius]

that's not exactly something to ask someone that has high odds of being productive

[Ankamius]

@Ank

is Nimu the type who has difficulty faking reads as scum/often winds up having forced reads?

yes

[Ankamius]

I honestly might just leave if nim/gamma is TvT

[Ankamius]

I'm going to outright refuse to allow my pairing to be removed from the game unless Vecna is either already gone or has zero chance of being an endgame pair

[Ankamius]

Why does scum!Vecna ask for help in sorting me if he’s scum?

why can't scum ask that

it's a question that isn't going to go anywhere

[Ankamius]

we're playing like anything we're doing actually matters

[Ankamius]

huh

now that I'm stepping back and seeing the bigger picture again, I'm starting to really not care about the game

interesting how that works

[Ankamius]

huh

now that I'm stepping back and seeing the bigger picture again, I'm starting to really not care about the game

interesting how that works

Bigger picture this game = lynch everyone other than like 2 pairs in mind so

yeah

and we're all up each other's asses about ordering

when literally none of it matters

[Ankamius]

is there a universe where:

nimueh/gamma
vecna/ausuka
anka/grob
fire/oka
pien/sakura

endgame?

[Ankamius]

because if not, then we're literally wasting our time arguing about ordering because the only way lynching these five pairings in any order loses is if chenn/gif/bitmap/bingle have both scum

[Ankamius]

Why can't we just lynch everyone but chen/Bingle and Fire/Oka and then if the game's still going we figure out which of {bingle, fire} is scum?

deal.

[Ankamius]

yes gif

[Ankamius]

I put fire/oka in there because I see enough paranoia of them that I don't think they'll be allowed in end game

but

I'd be okay with a gif/bitmap, fire/oka, chenn/bingle endgame

[Ankamius]

I don't trust you in endgame pie, sorry

[Ankamius]

I don't trust anybody in endgame who spend a good chunk of time trying to push themselves as an endgame pair

that's always sketchy as fuck in my book

[Ankamius]

Why can't we just lynch everyone but chen/Bingle and Fire/Oka and then if the game's still going we figure out which of {bingle, fire} is scum?

Someone who has never played in one of these games with Fire. :lol:

firebringer endgamed as one of two pairs in starry night

[Ankamius]

I'm so close to leaving just because of how stupid this bickering is

[Ankamius]

I'd really like to be in endgame with sakupie tbh

why

[Ankamius]

ok let me know when you all figure out what we're doing so we can start playing mafia again

[Ankamius]

instead of arguing over what endgames you want when the endgame pair is only ever going to be one of two different pairings

[Ankamius]

what are bingle's reads even

[Ankamius]

Leave the dance

I'm washing my hands of this game, you all can deal with this shit yourself

[Ankamius]

vecna/ausuka
nimueh/gamma

both of those pairings are 100% next to leave

[Ankamius]

jfc ank

you were obvtown and your partner was stepping it up

IT LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER NOBODY WILL WANT US TO ENDGAME ANYWAYS

[Ankamius]

THE ONLY PAIRS THAT EVER MATTER ARE THE LAST 3

THE ORDERING OF THE OTHERS DOESN'T

[Ankamius]

"I'M NOT LEAVING TILL VECNA DIES"

okay.

everyone's up their own ass in the first place so I doubt that pairing will be allowed to get there either

[Ankamius]

fire/oka

done.

[Ankamius]

yeah it does matter if you leave

ur a strong asset to town and u paired up with me whose town

my reads are well known

chenn/bingle is tvt
gif/bitmap is tvt

chenn/bingle gets priority over gif/bitmap

every other pairing dies before them

[Ankamius]

btw

pay very close attention to how people's opinions of how the game should progress evolve

that's the single most AI thing possible this game

[Ankamius]

lol vecna

[Ankamius]

you're only concerned with being an endgame pairing

there's no better reason for you to not be one

[Ankamius]

(hint: the best way to approach the game is to lynch the pairings who are never endgame-worthy first)

[Ankamius]

the real mafia game begins after nimerald is gone

[Ankamius]

I feel like the last 10 pages were more productive than the 100 pages before that

[Ankamius]

I actually left because the conversation about endgame pairings was entirely unproductive, unlikely to end anytime soon, and was a very wrong mindset towards actually solving the game

[Ankamius]

and lo and behold, the moment I left, people started talking about how to solve the game

[Ankamius]

I feel like the last 10 pages were more productive than the 100 pages before that

If Ausuka winds up being town, then warmly await your punishment once you hit the dead PT.

Your treatment of Vecna amounted to basically throwing a tantrum over him and then leaving when you didn't get your way.

I was legitimately very annoyed when you rallied so hard against lynching Vecna and then immediately said "MAYBE I WANT THEM DEAD ANYWAY" when I backed off