Gay Dance! [Donezo]

[chennisden]

wanna do a "fake night"

where anyone >100 posts doesnt post for 24 hrs

Hypocrite.

[Nimueh]

Oh btw Nimueh I'm the one of 3 people who scumread Kirana.

Kirana? You mean Kirai? Why did you sr her? And Ank is probably the second, right? Who is the third?

[Nimueh]

I think Sakura is town. I remember her saying in was it BoR scum PT that she has trouble making reads as scum. She clearly isn’t having that problem here.

[Sakura Hana]

I forgot which game BoR was, but that is true.

[Firebringer]

Chen ISO is probably the most cringiest ISO in this game

burn.

[Bingle]

FB is the leading authority on burns.

[chennisden]

ow

[Bitmap]

I feel good about the Nimueh slot.

[Firebringer]

bitmap tell me all the things that make u feelll gooood baby

[Bitmap]

Dance partners that can lead.

[Ankamius]

Nimueh needs to do more before she can be locked into a read

[chennisden]

Ank do you have a read on your partner yet

[Ankamius]

She's town

[OkaPoka]

ank should i be worried about firebringer

[Ankamius]

Nah he's town

[Vecna]

meh, think im just gonna leave asap

[pienyan]

meh, think im just gonna leave asap

Don't do this. I think you both are town.

It's 4:30 in the morning, so it might be later till I get around to responding to stuff.

[pienyan]

She is tr way more people than she usually does as scum.

Can we talk about this? From what I see this is the extent of Gamma's town reads;

- Town reading Bitmap based on surface reasoning from a few posts
- Following along with the Sakura/GIF town reads since early on when people were bloc'ing those three up
- Town reading Kirari (this one was against consensus at the time)
- Somehow moving from a scum read to a town read on me for no apparent reason - I'll talk about this more in the next quote.

For him being active for 70+ pages of game and this much content to go off of, I don't think there's many town reads or anything particularly good here in terms of the reads he does have. Besides Kirari/you-slot all of these are widely held reads. While this isn't really a particularly strong point against him (and I'm open to changing my mind on it) I do think he'd have a bit more to show than a few mostly-consensus reads if he was trying to focus that hard on town hunting here.

She is also not being sketchy like she was in MD. I was his scumbuddy in that, so I’d like to I’m pretty good at reading him - in this kind of setup anyway.

This is where I disagree with you firmly. I think there were multiple instances earlier in the game where his behavior was really off and forced.

The first is that I think he was bullshitting scum reads. For a while he had no scum reads and then he popped up saying he thought both Oka and GR were scummy, and his only reason for doing so was an associative tell. Moreover at the time this was literally referring to a total of two posts by Oka (426 and 477), and GR only had had 5 posts at the time. This is all sorts of bad not only because of the fact he's trying to tie them together on what's pretty much the first game day with no flips whatsoever, but because of the sheer lack of substance to back it up - in fact after some back and forths with me and him it came out that he had assumed Oka's two posts were a tell _before GR even posted at all_. It'd be one thing if he actually had a reason for scum reading Oka or GR (or if GR had literally even posted...) but he fucking didn't, he just conjured up an associative tell to scum read him while avoiding talking about his or GR's actual play. People pointed out to me that in isolation neither of these are particularly scummy - focusing on town hunting and town using weird logic are both things - but when taken together I think it paints a picture that shows strong scum motivation, namely, he needed some scum reads to push and wasn't sure what to do to actually attack anyone so he tries to scramble for an angle to push and finds this "associative" tell to push.

The second is his read of me. When I called him out for this he and I had a bunch of back and forths where he accused me of all sorts of things like "misrep"ping him and reaching to push him as scum- in essence, BS'ing a read on him. But then in 735 he says he'll reconsider on me for a reason that has literally nothing to actually do with the reasons he scum reads me- namely the timing of me pairing with Sakura being consistent with what I said I'd do earlier in the game. ??????? What does this even have to do with me apparently lying to push him. It doesn't and there's no reason it should nullify it if he really believed this is what I was doing.

What I think actually happened here is that he saw he couldn't really get away with pushing me, and wanted to find a reason to back off in a way that didn't seem awkward. I think a town Gamma would have a lot more conviction in his push here. Instead all we really got in terms of conviction is one post, 591 where he throws out he thinks he "doesn't buy anything I'm putting down" and then a little bit later he just... forgets about it entirely?

Since then Gamma has had basically nothing in terms of scum reads. Basically all of his posts have just been sort of floating along, making comments and asking questions here and there to look involved in the game without any actual internal thought process trying to solve the game. Apparently he doesn't even scum read Oka anymore; then way later in 1644 he apparently thinks I'm town. And his scum read on GR from earlier in the game hasn't appeared to turn anything either. I shouldn't need to mention why it's scummy to just sit there having no scum reads, not attacking anyone and not making any waves in the game.

So I ask, what part of this looks town to you?

[CheekyTeeky]

Is there a tldr version?

[pienyan]

Part of the reason I do want this to go to the dayphase is while I do feel relatively sure Gamma is scum I could *gasp* just be wrong about it, and I sort of wish Gamma would actually fight it instead of just sitting there and being resigned to it. I'd rather people not get apathetic even if that can be difficult.

P-edit: the tl;dr is "he was bullshitting scum reads and his push on me totally lacked conviction", but reducing it to that totally leaves out all of the breaking it down that points to why it's actually unlikely a town him would do this, so not really.

[Ankamius]

no real point Cheeky, I guarantee you this 1v1 will go nowhere

[pienyan]

Welcome to my play style.

P-edit: Uhh Ank. Weren't you scum reading Gamma?

[pienyan]

And you say it'll go nowhere but from my view of the gamestate it looks like Gamma and Kirari-slot are one of the first ones up for lynch. Wtf are you on?

[Ankamius]

that's not what I'm talking about pie

I'm saying that your debate with nimueh is going to go nowhere

[pienyan]

I'm not even trying to push her, I actually kind of just want to understand where she's coming from on this read better. Like I said I just have this sinking feeling even if logic points to him being scum here.