BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[Klick]

Although actually that does raise the question of why scum would choose to kill a claimed commuter.
So yeah they probably have some method of counterplay.

But it's not really an obvious assumption and wasn't in my mind when I called the setup townsided. And without disruption this setup IS townsided af.
If anything I'd call this a town perspective slip.

[Klick]

Hmm you around Koba.

[Klick]

Actually no ill talk with Gypyx first

Two things just popped into my head that make me think it has to be Ydrasse.
1. Shoshin died. I see no reason for Shoshin to be targeted by Mafia unless they have a piercing ability (or they knew he wouldn't commute). I also believe Dk's role and think 'scum commuter with commuter-piercing ability' is a stretch.
2. 'town commuter enabler' makes perfect sense to claim as the scum commuter-piercing role.

Can you fact-check these for me?

[Klick]

So... shoshin, you're a commuter too, but you still managed to receive a message / whatever?

Nico didn't commute.

[Klick]

Fun role concept for final scum: 'Mafia Parallel Goon' or sommat, that can only kill within a parallel universe

[Klick]

Wait but then HUB wouldn't die lol

[Klick]

Keep pretending that's not within your scumrange lol

So Gypyx you thin Dk could be some sort of multitasking commuter who kills commuters when they commute? Feels like a stretch tbh.

[Klick]

Koba I've seen you do this thing in several games where you do something *out there* and then insist it must make you town without really giving a proper clear explanation of why it makes you town for the others playing the game.

I have no issues seeing your play yesterday from a scum perspective. 'oh Sam is scumread and I'm not, let's powerbus and carry this in MyLo for the most secure chance at a win'.
Burden of proof is on you to explain why you're obvtown.

[Klick]

Seeing you do something in three games is good enough for me to call it a pattern. The point being it's still not clear to me why you're apparently obvtown.

unless u think like my goal is to just troll the whole game, i would have won by now.

Okay but... same? I'm not seeing how you can use this argument for yourself but not see that it applies to me too

[Klick]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Klick]

Ydrasse sat her vote on Sam all D1 and it didn't really do anything. Which is a much more viable scum strategy on D1 than on D5 ))

[Klick]

ok where and why

[Klick]

She voted Ydrasse at daystart and switched to me

Her vote on me comes out of nowhere, my vote on her makes a lot of sense considering my scumreads coming out of D4

[Klick]

Several people in this game seem to disagree with that baseless claim, including the person who died last night and the conftown

[Klick]

Ydrasse sat her vote on Sam all D1 and it didn't really do anything. Which is a much more viable scum strategy on D1 than on D5 ))

it's almost like samantha was a wagon at one point that i wanted to go through LMAO

like saying it did nothing when she was at one point the leading wagon (competing with a town one no less) that only got overshadowed by

another

scum wagon does not feel like the take you're trying to make it right now

Yes but what did you *do* with that vote. Hardly would have made sense for you to jump ship just as a Sam wagon was gaining steam, that would've looked scummy af. Which people voted Sam because of your influence?

samantha bussing ari/klick makes a hell of a lot more sense than her bussing me who is like, around to actually do things and then later forced us into a 1v1 in essence

if a slot's not doing anything for themselves, it's easy to make use of it by chipping away by the lack of activity

But no one actually thought I was scum yesterday while you immediately got a vote from HUB and people were talking about you being scum all throughout D4. I also wasn't inactive when she decided to vote me

[Klick]

Why wasn't Ydrasse limmed yesterday?

I can't think of a reason that doesn't mean she's scum. It would have been really easy for me as scum to get a Ydrasse vote yesterday, and yeah thinking about it it's probably even easier for Koba!scum to make that happen. Gypyx didn't seem to have a problem with a Ydrasse vote, and it was what HUB actively wanted. So how did four people come together and vote scum yesterday?

[Klick]

I'd be fine with clear-checking Dk if you were Gypyx. Don't think I see myself actually voting Dk atm.

[Klick]

Gypyx as the player here who has actually seen me be scum before would you describe my scum game as particularly passive? I think it should be clear that I do *something* other than twiddle my thumbs and sit on my partner yesterday if I'm scum.

[Klick]

There's like 10% of the playerbase here that can read me as obvtown accurately when I'm town. Most of the time I'm put in this vague nullscum spot by most of the game and have to live through contribution and not being scummier than others early on.

If you feel strongly about Dk-scum still we can rehash it but I've talked myself out of it I think

[Klick]

so, isn't it kinda weird that you are being read as obvtown?

By who? HUB? I think HUB is the type of player I click with really well in that regard (no pun intended)
I do always *try* to towntell

[Klick]

Also great it's a me/Ydrasse thunderdome.
Dk pls engage with the fact that Ydrasse didn't die yesterday

[Klick]

HUB really clearly wanted to lim you first. Gypyx seemed to prefer you first over sam for a good while.
You were an entirely possible vote yesterday and by many metrics more likely than Sam at start of day, so it's super sus that scum didn't use their swing to yeet you for a win.

Unless you're not town.

[Klick]

So sam/Ydrasse both seem relatively inexperienced as scum from what I can tell/recall reading, leaving their exact plan a bit hard to tell. But as the two players that got votes out of the gate from town D5, I could see them deciding to roll with a bus strategy not seeing many alternatives. Sam might have thought a token push on me could potentially take off considering Ari's lack of content.
Neither of them seemed very committed to voting each other at all yesterday despite being counterwagons to each other. I could see them thinking they were low on options and 'playing dead' for a bit, looking for opportunities to pick someone off if they came up.

I think around the time Dk did the fake hammer nonsense they could have decided that Ydrasse had more staying power than Sam in 4p MyLo (possibly because Sam's role starts looking sus if it doesn't get a no-kill that late?). Ydrasse does her Ate and Sam sacs herself when they realise they're the only two realistic options for the day.

[Klick]

Yes but what did you *do* with that vote. Hardly would have made sense for you to jump ship just as a Sam wagon was gaining steam, that would've looked scummy af. Which people voted Sam because of your influence?

[Klick]

What did you actually do to get people to vote Sam yesterday

[Klick]

Yeah I'm gonna stop engaging with Ydrasse here, mostly because being told I'm gaslighting by someone who is definitely scum is not fun and also not necessary or helpful. I'm not really interested in playing emotional games with this.

Just let me know what you want from me. I'm definitely confbiased at this point because the arguments for Ydrasse!scum look a lot more clear to me now.

[Klick]

Not gonna be around much today though, got a big paper due in tomorrow.

[Klick]

What about the bit after the joke where she reacts to the joke over and over

[Klick]

Hmm actually I feel like this is a valid point to talk about. Might be worth for Gypyx to hear.
Ydrasse's upset reaction to her joke is definitely fake and when we're both around Gypyx I'd be interested in parsing through that with you.

[Klick]

Me too. Big essay due tomorrow and whatnot. So not really around live but oh well.

i’m

i think i’m just gonna check out of the thread or something and just ask you don’t hhammer me or whatever

i was just joking

sorry

These posts are 8 minutes apart. She didn't check out of the thread. That would be sensible to do in that situation as town. Instead, she's scum and wants to continue this until it gets her some towncred.

sam claim ur target now.

I mean it'd be based on the result of the lynch, but if you wanna collectively pick a target for me instead that's fine

Assuming we fade Ydrasse!scum, since that's the most likely outcome that isn't fading you

please dont

Her focus is entirely on not getting voted.
(Sam never did claim a target btw, and I actively tried to get her to in this post)

gypyx / koba

said i lockedtowned koba but after the past few pages idk, havent paid attention to who posting clears a quickhammer on who to know if this is null

This doesn't actually line up with her thoughts later on - she goes into today saying it's likely me.

my motivation to play this game is absolutely fucked. it sucks that everyone was so willing to jump on me for it and like, ohhh this is the smoking gun we got her and

it sucks that people think how i feel about it is fake

and it sucks that if i get elimmed the games probably over and it’s just because of. this

Here's the particularly sus part.

Her primary motivation here is to make people feel hesitant, or possibly bad, about reading her reaction as fake.

This is actively manipulative in a way that only happens if she's scum here I believe.

i’ve already stated who i think it is

(sam/Gypyx)
Again, this changes immediately upon D5 when it's clear me and Koba don't suspect Gypyx.

which like, idk, maybe it’s bc people are also saying my feelings are fake which i don’t take kindly to

i mean i guess but. idk. it sucks mainly that no one is willing to think about it from my perspective

'ah damn it's not working. Let's try harder to get people looking at this from a town!Ydrasse perspective'
She also isn't reacting how I'd expect if she was actually upset about people denying her real feelings. The reaction is too soft, like she doesn't really want to be toxic about it because she knows it's a lie but still wants the towncred.

beyond the emotional shittiness of this situation, uh, can anyone quote/explain for me why they think that i would feel the need to manufacture a “slip” like that? like, how is twilight trolling AI in this case when, in a world where samantha/i are scum together, i’ve done a lot already to bus? at that point it’s just over the top dramatics from a scum!me that look like, so obvious and bombastic after the fact

At this point she's arguing against specifically a Ydrasse/Sam scumteam.

i don’t take well to people saying what i’m feeling is fake like, the reason i was getting more upset was because no one was believing me that i was just trying to have fun and

it compounded when i realized that it could end with a loss for us all

This is intended to remind you of the fact that she did this because she's town and was worried about you losing. And also to remind you that if you're wrong, you might immediately lose. This one is particularly clearly manipulative to me

i should probably drop the point at this point because everyone’s going to think what they will i guess

No, town!Ydrasse would double down here. Scum!Ydrasse again doesn't want to get too toxic.


Overall there are some clear signs of conscious manipulation. She at the very least has getting towncred from her reaction actively on her mind while she's AtEing. And if you accept that as a premise, then it's a lot easier to see her as scum faking it than town faking it. She avoids going over the top after the initial reaction because she knows she's lying and doesn't want to be too toxic.

[Klick]

Oh holy shit this ends in half a day? That snuck up
Should've let the fake reaction play out longer tbh

[Klick]

I will probably be awake finishing this essay to see end of day then lmao

[Klick]

Pls don't make me play more of this game

[Klick]

Ya that

[Klick]

Or you could just vote Ydrasse.
What about my case is unconvincing Dk
I think it should be mildly scummy that she won't respond to it but also isn't particularly showing upset-ness at it

[Klick]

Fair enough - I'm definitely confbiased so it's your discretion

I can say that I wouldn't have made that case if I thought Ydrasse's feelings were real though.

[Klick]

Suit yourself. But from the perspective of knowing they're fake, I'm going to keep pointing out that they're fake because it's a valid reason that you're scum here

[Klick]

We've already gone over the fact that scum most likely have a way to kill commuters because they chose to kill Shoshin, a claimed commuter

[Klick]

Everyone who has died since Shoshin has been a much more obvious death than Gypyx or Koba (BEF, HBB and HUB were all obvtown and the first two were PRs)

[Klick]

Gypyx don't let me post again I have an essay due in 13 hours

[Klick]

Yay I finished

But also you killed HUB because he and I probably wouldn't have reconsidered each other for a second and that was obvious from reading yesterday. That and he was the only universal townread. And he townread Gypyx who is town, and also was leaning towards it not being Koba who is town.

Likw the HUB kill is literally the only kill that would have made sense last night, especially for you. Name another that you would have considered.

[Klick]

Hi Boon

[Klick]

That's okay Boon

[Klick]

VOTE: Ydrasse

The real question is how much you think I'd be interested in throwing as scum koba

[Klick]

We won Koba we did it

[Klick]

I was ready to have to argue against some uber WIFOM argument but like of course I wouldn't kill Gypyx there lol

Gg. Ydrasse looked super town to me by play

[Klick]

Heck yeah, it worked well. A bit win more probably, it helped that the status quo solve was just correct

No worries. Ngl it did have me super stressed lol but I get it

[Klick]

also re that emotions thing now that games over i just wanna say they really weren’t faked at all, i was upset and not making it up or anything

Sorry. Knowing you were scum made me comfortable arguing that point cause I thought it was a scum tactic. If my case D6 was bad then I apologise

[Klick]

Oh are you a Renegade?

[Klick]

Lol I didn't even look at that role, wow that's got a lot of potential.

[Klick]

Also curious who HUB is for significantly different reasons lol. They seem familiar...

Fun stuff. I'd play with this plist again

[Klick]

It happens. Thanks Ari hope you're doing well

[Klick]

Also curious who HUB is for significantly different reasons lol. They seem familiar...

Fun stuff. I'd play with this plist again

I have no idea who they could be, but I'd be happy to solve this mystery with you, Klick!

Bahahaha hiya
Glad this was like a polar contrast to when we played together on this account. Ggs!

[Klick]

so uh I deliberately didn't look at who I was paired with as mafia but strongly suspected vax was so I had to check right now

Since you said it in the scum PT it's pretty clear you didn't know, but unless they've changed recently this is against site rules