BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[Gamma Emerald]

I claim N1 kill lightning rod

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Offense is the best defense.

Oh right. You exist.

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact you posted promptly is at least good
Keep it up and I may be less openly hostile.

[Gamma Emerald]

I claim N1 kill lightning rod

is this a meme I'm unfamiliar with or a serious claim?

Not a full meme but it wasn’t serious

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi ari btw. How goes it?

@Gamma, Hello, hello.

@Pedit: The latter. It's my style to obv town as obv town~

Hello, Bell-o.

[Gamma Emerald]

I always thought gyp was the spelling for “getting gypped”, is it not? Though I could see that coinciding with it being a not-so-great term

[Gamma Emerald]

Speaking of geriatric, while I won’t be asking for active control of post counts I’d like if we utilized the geriatric guidelines for play this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that’s why I felt those could coincide

[Gamma Emerald]

Geriatric Posting Guidelines

1. Know how to let off the gas. Momentum is important, but this is not a race. This is a game of cooperation - make sure you don't leave anyone behind.
   
2. Don't forget you're always speaking to everyone. One-on-one conflicts have their place, but they can quickly take over a thread - and nobody is interested in spectating five pages of others arguing. You don't need to have the last word - if you're stuck making the same arguments to the same people, let the thread breathe and give others a chance to weigh in.
   
3. Compose your thoughts. Before submitting a post, reread yourself and cut, edit, and format your message. Make sure your point is clear, and highlight any arguments you make. For example, distinguish separate subjects with expandable spoilers or area tags.
   
4. As an overly general rule, any post that is shorter than three sentences is too short, and any post that doesn't fit on a single computer screen is too long

These are the guidelines I speak of. 1 and 2 are key to my request, but 4 can be safely ignored.

[Gamma Emerald]

Unbirthday towny
HBB null, maybe a teeny bit scummy

Also think GPX and Ari are a bit towny rn

@Unbirthday that’s kinda valid since one slot has two points of interaction, I just wanted to try to advocate for that since I think that would 100% help relieve issues that make me feel displeased with playing games

[Gamma Emerald]

aw I feel bad if that prompted him to do that cause it was rhetorical

unless we're doing a roundabout massclaim, what is the purpose of voting them instead of literally anyone else

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

For the record, we are NOT massclaiming D1.

Oh, I was asked about my thoughts on claims. One sec I'll take a look at them.

Tbh a negative utility massclaim might be advisable (basically just saying whether you are or are not a miller, ascetic, PGO, etc.)

i haven't played with town ydrasse, so take this with an obvious grain of salt, but her opening posts in that game felt more to me like fluff posting with an attempt to appear town, but her posts were game related (see 121 in that game), where she's literally like "okay, real content" whereas her posts in this game are less serious. feels more like town to me here

i've skimmed the game pretty lightly. insane we're already at page 7. i'll try to catch up more tomorrow if we're not at three times that number by then.

im telling you, you cant read someone with meta if you've only seen one alignment
-S

My own Ydrasse experience tells me TGP is probably on the right track but maybe my recall is failing me

the vague claim is slight town!AI since scum!TPB has no need to claim a vague neg utility role as vague roles don't give cred and it limits future fakeclaiming choices

Yeah I also feel this, TPB’s claim definitely feels like a town one, but I don’t feel 100% okay diving into the nitty gritty of why.

i kind of think these recent posts by ydra are pretty good but at the same time i have an impression of town!ydrasse not fluffing in rvs somehow.

-S

My recollection is town!Ydrasse is fine being fluffy but Imight need to check myself on that (or Bell can remind me, since my point of reference is the Forest Fire game where I’m remembering Ydrasse as town-aligned in rn)

Claiming ascetic D1 is boring and I'm not sure why the flavour was included tbh

this is some strange shade to be throwing. claiming ascetic day 1 is correct even if its boring, but i also dunno why the flavor was included. ping

-tay

honestly I’m somewhat with Ari about how GPX’s claim feels, the flavor addition feels a bit excessive + I don’t think Boon likes to have flavored roles if they do nothing different? Although, if ET can corroborate that they also are a flavored ascetic I’ll leave it alone as NAI.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so I just checked and Ydrasse was scum in the Forest Fire game so I don’t know really anything there that would be helpful

[Gamma Emerald]

shelly and i have been debating how we should treat claiming. we have decided to claim a bit more: we are also a parallel universe. there is one small portion of the role that gyp left out. if gyp is town that should confirm us as town too, we think. initially i wanted to locktown gyp for having our role, but theres nothing saying that scum cant have an ascetic. and it seems a little strange that there would be two townies with the same exact named role.
-tay

I was anticipating this. I’ll leave it to the two claims to figure out their status as conftown or not, beyond that I think the claims are NAI at worst.

Also 72 is worrying me because he feels different from my last experience with him

[Gamma Emerald]

page 7

7 in the morning

a likely story

lolwut

Hm. Shelly seems scummy. That means Shelly is town. Done. Sorted.

this is town and i reached the same conclusion (so both shelly/tay and tsunami are town)
gypyx is probably town as well
taly seems town
VOTE: samantha this slot is scumpinging me

did Samantha ping you in MBoS 10? Was it similar scumpings?

well i think there are 14 scum.
-tay

Im voting no conspiracy

all votes on endless are suspicious

really? why are votes on us in particular suspicious? the other claims are fine to vote?
-tay

This is a pretty solid question, ET +Town and samantha +scum

Could you give me lessons.

sure. here is a guide on how to read me:

rule 1: taylor is town. you should townread taylor.
rule 2: the more confident you are that taylor isnt town, the more likely it is that taylor actually is town.
rule 3: when in doubt, assume taylor is town. you'll be right.

-tay

It’s only funny when mastina does this joke (not really, tbh it was kinda funny)

[Gamma Emerald]

People I want to communicate more with are Gamma/Bell/Ari.

Is there anything you actively wish to discuss? Or do you just want me to be more present to interact with in general?

Hello! It's been a while. Someone summarize the last like ten pages that way I can just skim it.

-Nornornornor

How can you be such a relentless spammer and not be able to read a measly 10 pages
Scum points for Noraa, she generally comes off as a similar player to myself and I tend to be less willing to read as scum compared to as town.

In fact since both Noraa and 72 have given off vibes I think it’s fair to
VOTE: Tsunami Slayer

[Gamma Emerald]

Chateau was a BEF alt???

[Gamma Emerald]

How are you “not respectable”? Also, I don’t see how being respectable or not affects playstyle. I acknowledge it might be weak but a) it’s still early D1, votes are still gonna be weak, and b) that’s not my only point towards my vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I was speaking more from the perspective of someone else there. I personally think you are a player with potential. It just needs to be properly cultivated.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you claimed N1 lightning rod in your first post. Do you stand by that claim?

No, that was a joke.

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with Taly about Ircher’s Samantha defense being a little overzealous probably

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi, its almost 7am again.

Can someone recap the last 10 pages?

Also, please update the list with any new CLAIMS MADE.

No. Read for yourself. It was cute the first time, not this time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does townpr!BEF explicitly soft like that...

[Gamma Emerald]

gyp is confscum*

With our role and his claim I believe gypyx to be near locktown if he responds correctly.
brighteyed is also clearly not obvtown. their "list of claims" thing feels like rolefishing/busywork more than scumhunting.
72 your reads are terrible and that's a bad sign.
-S

How is it rolefishing when I only asked for people who had already claimed.

This is "busywork"

Also, BEF is always town in BT games. It's in my contract. Also, no nude scenes.

VOTE: Endless Terror

shelly thinks you scumread us here and now have slipped by thinking we are probably town. comments?
-tay

I feel like you're kinda taking a bad approach here, one that alienates people who try to actually fairly engage you. BEF tried to look past personal bias and got greeted with some hefty blowback. I would probably feel pretty disgruntled if that we me in that position. This goes to both your heads.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ydrasse who are your three top town right now overall?

something like you / gamma / then, like, pelican/endless/hbb boxing for third place

most of my reads right now trend more into null/scummy territory than they do towny ones

Interesting, a good amount of people have failed to get an impression from my posting thus far, what makes you different?
Also, what are the points for each of Pelican, ET, and HBB?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess Nico is drifting more into my "would fade" category if she keeps not posting but that's not really a scumlean, just a slot I'm not excited to keep waiting to do anything

Nico is a chronic flaker, and I mean chronic in the sense one would talk about a disease.

yeah, 13 posts even, that's 3x the number of posts of TheGoldenParadox!

[TGP, Nico, Ari]
[Pelican]

Pelican is the slot I think has above rand slot being scum off what they're saying
[TGP, Nico, Ari] probably has two fadebait and one low effort scum, but who knows it could have 2 scums

Imo Pelican is probably towny for the way they claimed at least, as for the other three I do think Ari should be posting more, TGP idk why he's profiled as low contribution, at least in the same tier as those other 2. He hasn't posted much but imo he has contributed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I really feel like the cagey way they claimed neg-utility is a very towny way to do it, especially if I'm right about something else, something that will probably not be clarifiable until D3.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma point is scummy -- "scummy but different from one game" is a low information point that sets up lazy shade/distancing

this is like the only thing that resonates with me rn
I just had not one but TWO games where town!Titus caught scum!me pretty effectively, and now she's coming in here saying I sound scummy in a

different

way than our last game together. That in itself just doesn't entirely make sense to push, but with the next thing I'm mentioning it becomes disturbingly suspect. From my experience with Titus I feel like she should know I generally have a lhf style that tends to land me in hot water as town. The fact she has the experience with me in the broad sense to know me feeling vaguely scummy isn't really a sign I'm scum, and also the recent scum experience she claims I'm

not acting similar to

, but despite that still wants to pressure me, definitely gives the sense she wants to push me for questionable logic and get away with it by not defining her push in a meaningful way.

[Gamma Emerald]

If Ydrasse is trying to get us and ET to box, she's not going to have any luck. Despite me not trusting shelly head, I have zero interest in eliminating there today. Pretty sure Taly feels the same.

The pushback on the samantha wagon but not the BEF wagon is noted. I want to specifically watch Ircher because his defense of Sam seems scummier than the wtf my pointless wagon isn't winning day one ala Gypyx.

~Titus

I kinda find it a bit odd you're saying the sam wagon is the one with more pushback rn, only person who seems to have gone on record as against it seems to be ircher.

Gamma, who is scum? Why do I want to fade you?

~Titus

I think Ircher, sam, and tsunami are all deserving of pressure rn. I think you're the one who needs to answer that second question, and you trying to pass the buck on it is not good at all. Why are you trying to get me to post reasons against myself, when you should be the one posting reasons? Looks like you're fishing for something to substantiate your read after the fact.

despite the claim looking towny I'm actually starting to see pelicans as net scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma, to say I caught you last game is pretty wrong. Sure, my vote was on you. Yet, I had to agree with mastina and Nero. They're the ones who caught you.

Also, why are you expecting me to use meta as a baseline on you?

I'm trying to sort out why I feel the way I do on you. The truth is I don't know.

What are your thoughts on BEF and samantha?

~Titus

idc who caught me, you correctly voted me out there. And I'm expecting you to use meta because I would think you'd know that "Gamma looks scummy" isn't good reasoning when one is aware of how I generally come across, and it's even worse when you are saying my play is different to a scumgame I just played but still opt to push it. I'd expect a player of your caliber to know better than to push me for what you've expressed so far. You are essentially suspect for BoP reasons here. If you want to change my mind, you need to show your "read" on me isn't paper-thin.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no scumreads or townreads right now.

put in work to get some then, lol

@Gamma, to say I caught you last game is pretty wrong. Sure, my vote was on you. Yet, I had to agree with mastina and Nero. They're the ones who caught you.

Also, why are you expecting me to use meta as a baseline on you?

I'm trying to sort out why I feel the way I do on you. The truth is I don't know.

What are your thoughts on BEF and samantha?

~Titus

idc who caught me, you correctly voted me out there. And I'm expecting you to use meta because I would think you'd know that "Gamma looks scummy" isn't good reasoning when one is aware of how I generally come across, and it's even worse when you are saying my play is different to a scumgame I just played but still opt to push it. I'd expect a player of your caliber to know better than to push me for what you've expressed so far. You are essentially suspect for BoP reasons here. If you want to change my mind, you need to show your "read" on me isn't paper-thin.

It was still RVSish when I posted my observation. It's not a push because it is paperthin. Meta calling a paperthin read in generous. I frequently post observations and see uf what happens supports my theory or not. It's a place to get going, specifically behavior of note to be sorted later.

I don't particularly care about changing your mind re:the strength of my read at the time because that would be fake and wrong.

~Titus

You don't need to convince me of anything about the STRENGTH of your read. You need to convince me you weren't just seeing what stuck as a valid push, and the best way to do that is defining what you saw at that point.
Other than that, this post reads as a complete mess. Is this drunk!Titus at the wheel rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Count how many mentions of people asking for additional reasons on the Sam wagon. I count all that as pushback.

I actually agree with the three slots you find pressure worthy right now.

Ircher's defense of Sam looks buddyish or whiteknighting. Not sure but it reeks.

Sam's tone pings me as alternating between fake jokey and hyperdefensive.

Noraa is too fluffy.

~Titus

That makes sense re: the pushback. I think you're on a good track for Tsunami but looking at the wrong head. I think it's actually 72's fluff quotient that is bothersome.

[Gamma Emerald]

if you're frustrated I feel that way you should probably work to make me not feel that way.

Asking in plain text: why did you feel I was scummy early?

[Gamma Emerald]

oh my god this is just the booneytoonz game I moderated but actually well designed isn't it

[Gamma Emerald]

WHAT

.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d like it if 72 could stay jsyk
Not that you aren’t fun but I would like him to have a chance to flip my read on him

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you voting the slot that’s getting replaced :/

[Gamma Emerald]

if you're frustrated I feel that way you should probably work to make me not feel that way.

Asking in plain text: why did you feel I was scummy early?

I felt you were making busiwork with your throwback to the geratric rules and limiting content before it could begin. That's scummy. You were much more appeasey (word might be wrong) in the last game. You were go with the flow rather than anti-content at all.

~Titus

Honestly that is a fair line to draw between those games. MBoS 10 was one of the games that motivated me to suggest using the geriatric guidelines this game. It’s nowhere near the only one, though in one sense it’s definitely a chief cause. Because of that I can see you thinking I’m carrying over my mindset because I rolled scum again, but the sum total of all the games that motivated that suggestion were 60% town games 40% scum games (not that the ratio itself means anything).
The thing is, while I was trying to prune down certain non-constructive behavioral patterns, I am not being anti-content by suggesting those guidelines. The rule I posted that resonates with me the most is actually #2, which states to not get into protracted 1v1 fights that bloat the thread. I feel like the majority of games that have a greater-than-necessary length do because of that. All but 1 of the games that factored into my call here had that problem to some degree (3/4 being the same 2 players across multiple games).

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Gamma, you have any questions or takes for this head?

Nothing pressing rn. Most of what’s been worth responding to so far has been stuff Titus has done

I might field some questions on your takes in a few hours

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, that’s true, but either you’re legit trying to yeet the slot which seems a bit hasty atp, or you’re voting for pressure, which is pretty silly to do on someone in the process of being replaced.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also whoever mentioned getting gut pinged by you before, I’m kinda entertaining that thought myself given what happened in our most recently finished game together.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s sounds like Noraa is legitimately done with this game, based on her saying “this is my last post”. Now, the fact she recanted on that like three times isn’t great but that’s just a rules thing, not anything to do with alignment.
Now if she suddenly comes back that your pressure is definitely warranted and you can tell me “I told you so”.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think Noraa or offsuit like being scum. Though yeah, I probably shouldn't get into that due to the angle shoot issue

I think this is a poor analysis of Noraa. 72 idk

[Gamma Emerald]

wut

[Gamma Emerald]

I was gonna ask for someone to help me care about this game but it looks like my impetus might be on this very page

[Gamma Emerald]

That Ircher wall looks pretty decent tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, if we're being honest, I think the better question is why not?

I think I said this already but I felt like whatever the intent of the vote the timing wasn’t great

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is a player who is now not in the game such a barrier to your ability to form reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is a player who is now not in the game such a barrier to your ability to form reads?

vaxkiller flips. sorry.

i have reads, i've posted them. i just feel that we've gotten the content we need to out of today, and continuing is antitown and unhelpful. let's elim vax and continue.

That’s fair probably
But just railroading a single wagon seems foolish

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty sure I’m still voting there. I don’t mind it as long as it’s well defined.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also ydrasse is townspewing I get that "obvtown feel" from that last string of posts.
it's hard to explain but some time in early game ydrasse just becomes very transparent town to me. effort, a very down-to-earth communication, idk how else to put it but ydrasse is officially in the town tier
-shelly

I’ll buy this

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm looking for at least 2, maybe 3 more townies in this pool for a strong D1 solve.

What’s your plan to sort those slots?

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you low hanging fish now?

I'm trying to figure out if you actually believe sheeping ET in that manner without talking about your own read on Samantha constitutes as "working with them", and will satiate their scumread, because spoiler, it doesn't really help show/prove you're town.

I don't think I am low-hanging fruit in a negative sense. I think fading me would be a lazy way to end D1. Fading somewhere else automatically increases the overall chance to hit scum since I am town.

Just accept I am town and don't try to fade me anymore please.

You feel a little different from CoD but it seems like a logical progression. Talk about how you’ve progressed in your self-analysis since that game / what it did to impact your D1 approach?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think Noraa or offsuit like being scum. Though yeah, I probably shouldn't get into that due to the angle shoot issue

I think this is a poor analysis of Noraa. 72 idk

its not analysis, its meta info. and its correct.

I’ve played with Noraa!scum and would not say she “didn’t enjoy it”.

[Gamma Emerald]

if gamma is mafia then what do you think the odds are of nico not-so-randomly voting them at the start as also-mafia?

Why the focus on Nico? I understand wanting to pressure a lurker but it seems on some level you actively want Nico gone. Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

was it this post that inspired you gamma?
-tay

This feels like a very lukewarm way to engage my post.

What do you think is the reason I was feeling out of it? Take a guess if you have to.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was to Taylor, but no, in fact I have reasons to enjoy both alignments. Plus it’s only recently that my engagement here dropped.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not in that way

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope. Why would I be upset with that? And why air it out publicly? Couldn’t I just reprimand in private or something?
Plus, I was upset about 72 possibly quitting with her and denying me the chance to see his town game potentially in action. Seems a bit off to say if I know his alignment, no?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would that be a policy we have
I think you’re pushing the Overton window here

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with half of that solve

[Gamma Emerald]

funny thing is that brass modded a game recently where there was some interesting influences thrown around...

(love you, brass)

This is in fact true

[Gamma Emerald]

Vax's reaction feels like a scum one here

[Gamma Emerald]

Vax's reaction feels like a scum one here

Why?

~Titus

You serious?

Does it not look similar to how I handled you in Cinder Block?

[Gamma Emerald]

-policy
-associations (with no flips even yet!)
-my "reaction" what ever the fuck that is

Only the last one is something I’ve legit pushed, everything else ain’t me. And the core issue ime is how both Tsunami players, but especially 72, had off vibes to me. Noraa didn’t seem like her OMGUSsy town self, and 72 just wasn’t demonstrating any legitimate drive like he had the last time he played as part of Tsunami Slayer. The fact 72 also left with Noraa probably does point to scum somewhat, but that’s a mild angleshoot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vax's reaction feels like a scum one here

Why?

~Titus

You serious?

Does it not look similar to how I handled you in Cinder Block?

Cinder Block?

The normal game where you and cfj caught me D3

[Gamma Emerald]

If I recall correctly though I had you by VCA

I feel like my reaction was pretty similar to what Vax is doing here, what with the pushing against you despite you being in a position to decide my fate

[Gamma Emerald]

Yea, you and gamma we heard from, but I want to hear everyone else's reasoning on the record.

I also support this
As I said, I want the wagon well defined. BEF knows I have pushed for this before btw, so I think he should be able to back my mindset up to people like Tay who are FoSing me for both pushing Vax and trying to pick at the Vax voters.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I've recently been warming up to Taly's posting, and Titus has felt good ever since I got the sus on me sorted, so TPB is a confident townread rn

[Gamma Emerald]

not feeling Ircher rn
Talk about HUB? Him and HBB have both felt mildly towny so far imo

[Gamma Emerald]

That seems like a personal issue, could it just be that he feels rubbed the wrong way by you and is avoiding interacting because of that? For the lack of reads, I can't really speak to how much I see that, or whether I agree with the scumminess of such a thing. He seems decently probing in a way I think is good, at least? Like, I do see the poking others but think that might be townier than you do? It kinda feels like he's taking the responsible approach for the scenario you state him to be in. I guess our disconnect on Ircher seems to be that you are basing your thoughts on the "what" of his play, whilst I'm interested in the "why".

[Gamma Emerald]

I had also figured out the test and was holding my tongue
I didn't recall many votes since the last count where he was at 5/8

[Gamma Emerald]

btw breakdown of Ircher's samantha defense coming soon

[Gamma Emerald]

funny thing is that brass modded a game recently where there was some interesting influences thrown around...

(love you, brass)

This is in fact true

the funny thing is even after the mod spewed me as town the deathtunnel continued and eventually i got double-vigged.
-tay

I got fake modspewed town too (though it ended up being fruitless)

[Gamma Emerald]

It has not been "only recently". This misrep will not be taken lightly, madam.

[Gamma Emerald]

I got sidetracked by other stuff and now have to get ready for work and probably won't be completeing the wall post about Ircher until several hours from now *sigh*

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s with the sudden correlation of performative = scummy? I think you’re underestimating how dramatic people can be
Though I just reread the troll arc of Homestuck which is rife with valid and gratuitous drama

[Gamma Emerald]

see gamma is both on the wagon and shading it. classic bus.

That doesn’t even qualify as shade. I’m merely asking why the site meta is how it is rn. For gods sake stop this nonsense.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yea, you and gamma we heard from, but I want to hear everyone else's reasoning on the record.

I also support this
As I said, I want the wagon well defined. BEF knows I have pushed for this before btw, so I think he should be able to back my mindset up to people like Tay who are FoSing me for both pushing Vax and trying to pick at the Vax voters.

I feel comfortable in putting Gamma in my town block.

Yeah man
I gotchu

[Gamma Emerald]

Lmao nice altslip

Pedit : that must've been the secret 16th player chill out guys

OH MY GOD NO FUCK SHIT HELL
please tell me you know what foolishness you've just invoked.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lmao nice altslip

Pedit : that must've been the secret 16th player chill out guys

OH MY GOD NO FUCK SHIT HELL
please tell me you know what foolishness you've just invoked.

Did i just accidentally summon cthulu?

Nooo but you made an accidental reference. Unless you INTENDED the reference.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lmao nice altslip

Pedit : that must've been the secret 16th player chill out guys

OH MY GOD NO FUCK SHIT HELL
please tell me you know what foolishness you've just invoked.

Did i just accidentally summon cthulu?

Nooo but you made an accidental reference. Unless you INTENDED the reference.

T'was an accidental refence, now i need to know please x)

Pedit : yeah, vax you need to full claim, only way you miiiiight not get exed

danganronpa
won't say more in a public avenue where I might spoil a bunch of people

[Gamma Emerald]

yo gamma/tay/gypyx, did y'all read 833?

yeah
I'll try to bust that out t-day

[Gamma Emerald]

who was ircher trying to pocket in 664?

no gamma was fluffposting and trying to pocket ircher or increase irchers credibility.
-tay

you're in for a goddamn ride pal

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we get like an official claim on hectics post? Like maybe im stupid and its just all a joke or something over my head, but im really scum leaning them, especially if its happy bday boon.

Gamma, TPB, you really feel like that is a town slot?

and Samanthas "past tense" crap?

It's just a fabricated reason for them to be voting me.

sam's post is decent in context
I'm not a real fan of sam but not for that post

Also don't see how Hectic being confirm to be HBB makes that slot scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

btw gonna channel DGB on Vax's butt for a second
CLAIM STALL

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I'm looking at some of the stuff Ircher said about Samantha and there's a lot, to the point where picking all of it apart feels vapid and excessive
I'll probably stick to just the interesting bits. And I'm also throwing in a couple other things that came to mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s awful, will your dog be okay? Are you okay, you apparently have a blood disease yourself, which doesn’t sound good at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

YOLO
VOTE: Vaxkiller

See y'all tomorrow .

BAD

KILL THIS IMMEDIATELY IF I DIE

[Gamma Emerald]

My Ircher wall is close to done but it’s not in draft form rn so I can’t just post my work so far unless I wanna have a crappy old version

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's my wall addressing Ircher's samantha defense. some of it is directed to him, some of it isn't. I'll maker points where I'm asking him questions apparent. In addition I worked in partial reverse through the wallposts to ensure I was good about cutting out irrelevant parts and implementing extra quote tags where the needed to go.
(btw I had to fix a large amount of mangled BBCode.

@Ircher

, stop with the walls because your posts get broken when you do them apparently.)

So the first thing of note is actually that Ircher started interacting with samantha by throwing some softball questions at her, and then shifted to working with her and defending her with no visible impetus from sam, as well as never showing any actual progression from her beyond his initial null read that honestly looked like more of a scumread by the reasons posted. That actually does look quite bad for Ircher.

Hello! It's been a while. Someone summarize the last like ten pages that way I can just skim it.

-Nornornornor

Samantha and I voted BEF for doing nothing/making excuses for not engaging in the thread. Everyone else decided to counterwagon Samantha. That covers like the last 5 pages.

Ircher's summary of the happenings here feels like he's trying to paint BEF and the people voting sam as the bad guys.

Am I doing good, Ircher? I only play to seek your approval.

I'm gonna need you to let off on my buddy Samantha. Otherwise, you are doing great!

do you have any town games in comparison?

-nor

Not that I can find off unfortunately, but I still think it is worth pushing there. I don't really understand the counterwagon.

This post kinda seems like too blatant a defense of sam to be legit scum partners, with the fact he called her "my buddy samantha"? That very bold of Ircher if he's scum with her, and I don't think he's bold scum typically.

I had to dock off ALL of 335 because the BBCode errors were too fucking deeply rooted to be fixed. FOR FUCK SAKE IRCHER, PROOFREAD YOUR ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But diving into the content WITHOUT QUOTING THAT SHITHIVE OF A POST, there's a lot of blank questioning of samantha votes. That feels pretty damn hollow, especially he'd just expressed Samantha as a null read. Plus there was some buddying of samantha towards the end.

Scumpings from Ircher's defense of samantha and miscategorization (possibly misrep) of her wagon.

~Titus

I stand by my defense. Only Endless Terror has offerred any semblance of an explanation for why they are scumreading Samantha that goes beyond mere "scum!pings".

Again, being extremely adamant about defending samantha despite his read.

I agree with Taly about Ircher’s Samantha defense being a little overzealous probably

I can agree with being perhaps overzealous, but that by itself shouldn't be a reason to have an issue with me.

This seems a little overdefensive, I hadn't really put out feelings on what it meant for Ircher.

Can someone recap the last 10 pages?

Also, please update the list with any new CLAIMS MADE.

Seriously, don't be so lazy. It would help you a lot, both as town and scum.

I mean a wise men once said that a BEF D1 wagon has scum at the helm.

It's been awhile since it's happened but maybe that sentiment still stands.

An anecdote is far from useful.

Taylor townleans Ydrasse. For what it's worth they're my least-magnitude SR right now.

I feel like ydrasses defense in 277 contradicts with 368 poking at the claims list a bit

In the real time read I didn't see the contradiction, reading back now it feels off and not as genuine as in RT.

For having BEF in his "do not fade" list, Ircher sure seem to have a compulsion to pick at him.

it was, and i found that comment dumb because i don't see it as rolefishing at all when they're asking for roles that people have already outted at that point, but i don't find it as gross as the way that samantha interacted with bef in 251, 257, and 259. the last post especially has these like... weird vibes, like samantha has already written off bef entirely for what i find (at that point in the game) bad reason. it's flippant but i don't get why at all.

I see nothing wrong with 251. They clearly state why they wanted to switch the wagon to BrightEyedFish. Wanting to vote a player is by no means writing a player off. 257 perhaps doesn't come across as friendly, but it is an appropriate response to a question already answered once. Again, I don't see what you see. 259 is perhaps the worst as it is rather flippant (and I agree--chalking it up as a joke doesn't quite seem right), but when we look at it from a holistic view, it's still within the realm of reasonable, and it does not necessarily imply (though it may to some extent suggest) that samantha is unwilling to engage with BrightEyedFish. Furthermore, BrightEyedFish had yet to do anything at the time to encourage samantha to reconsider.

how do i get better at signing help
this post and the above post from shelly

(Make it a habit, and it will come naturally. Start by signing when you first start making your post so that you do not forget later.)

posted recently and posted non-fluff

and apparently that's why my eyes glaze over the tsunami slot because the nora-head posts a ton of it. 72's (i think it was his) posts are a lot better but they're drowned out by a ton of padding.

does noraa fluff a lot in general or is it skewed more towards one alignment? and even then, does she still try to provide a decent amount of content? there's some in there but it's scarce.

(This is a fair assessment of BrightEyedFish's more recent posts, but I would argue that despite not being "fluff", their recent posts aren't exactly "useful".)

Seriously, who the fuck asked?

The pushback on the samantha wagon but not the BEF wagon is noted. I want to specifically watch Ircher because his defense of Sam seems scummier than the wtf my pointless wagon isn't winning day one ala Gypyx.

This is rich; it's a real stretch to say that there has been very little pushback to the BEF wagon. In fact, I would say that the BEF counterwagon is exactly that: a pushback against the BEF wagon.

Does this even really matter? Eventually the two wagons duel for long enough the amount of pushback becomes rather equivalent imo.

1) Count how many mentions of people asking for additional reasons on the Sam wagon. I count all that as pushback.

I actually agree with the three slots you find pressure worthy right now.

2) Ircher's defense of Sam looks buddyish or whiteknighting. Not sure but it reeks.

1) I think I've counted maybe... two people ask for additional reasons? (Gamma and myself.) Regardless, the entire Samantha wagon is pushback against the BrightEyedFish wagon, so saying there has been virtually zero pushback against the BrightEyedFish wagon is still wrong.

2) Just going on record to say that I don't think this by itself it is a fair reason to scumread someone. You definitely have more to it than just this, and I expect you to elaborate.

Honestly these arguments about who is counterwagon to whom get really tiring after a little bit. It seems like a way to smokescreen more legitimate issues. And why isn't the second part enough to suspect someone

@Ircher

?

Why are you voting the slot that’s getting replaced :/

I mean, if we're being honest, I think the better question is why not?

Side note: if vax flips town this is pretty dang bad

I have no scumreads or townreads right now.

"I didn't read the thread"

I think pelican's posts have been consistently illogical, regardless of which head is doing the posting. I was being really charitable before because of their role claim (like thinking taly really didn't understand a joke), but there's a tipping point. That said, it still doesn't make sense for us to vote for them today.

VOTE: NicoRobin

To a certain extent, I agree with the idea that Pelican's posts have been illogical. First, it was the Taly head, and more recently, the roles have reversed, and it is the Titus head that is being illogical.

I do think the NicoRobin vote here is rather bad, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of reason. I still don't think we should be considering fading this slot.

Not a fan of what essentially looks like discrediting of TPB. Also the rhetoric here seems overconfident about how much he doesn't want to lim sam.

Hi, Samantha. Nicorobin to you too.

first, thanks for the laugh

second, the reason why I didn't talk about being voted, and have no intention to beyond this, is because that's purely a distraction from my point of view (though I did answer questions because people kept asking stuff)

third, I read this game with noraa in it viewtopic.php?f=11&t=84118 where she was mafia and her tone is a lot different here

but you people know each other a lot better than I do, so if you think she's mafia then I'm fine with that; it'd be super cool if nico and thegoldenparadox would post more before the day is over though

I think the implicit defense of the Tsunami slot here is the most suspicious thing I've seen from samantha. A lot of other stuff can be chalked off to other factors that do not relate to the slot's alignment.

also i think that tsunami/vax + samantha are viable together due to samantha's lukewarm reaction to the wagon on tsunami

I do agree that if Tsunami flips scum, it's worth (for me anyway) reevaluating samantha's alignment.

Here Ircher expresses some doubt, but it seems pretty weak, and it's also contradictory to how he also expresses that he wasn't even properly defending samantha. If he wasn't actually townreading samantha why would he need to reconsider her?

like, earlier my solve was like ircher/samantha are never scum together

Where does this come from?

ircher's defense of samantha in 335 and 340, especially given that ircher called samantha null in 159; there's no progression there.

Yes, reads evolve. Anyway, I think the defense is less so based on samantha's posts so much as the justifications for the votes on samantha being very ???. One must be flexible and reactant to changing circumstances.

I didn't see any of that progression in your ISO though,

@Ircher

. Plus attacking the votes without expressly defending someone iirc is a decently common scum tactic.

Just accept I am town and don't try to fade me anymore please.

Do you expect us to do this just because you asked?

Seems like you complied with this anyway

@Ircher

. Why?

VOTE: Bell

Haven't really seen anything I liked from Bell, and I keep going back and forth on Pelican honestly. Sometimes, I think they are reaching and illogical scum. Other times, they seem decent/making strides to solving the game and are just misguided to an extent.

BEF and samantha are both currently in my "do not fade D1" category for various ~reasons~.

[/quote]
I don't like how Ircher tries to invoke "reasons" on samantha, what possible reasons could he have that necessitate such emphasis?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank. GOD.

[Gamma Emerald]

before I go

Gamma

, you said in 665 that

Ircher's

664 wall was pretty decent. What did you refer to in that post and when did you start to think of the case for

Ircher

in 948?

~Taly

the contents of 948 became gradually more suspicious of Ircher's motives as I went on. I initially wanted to just take a peer at his samantha defense, and I think it roiled into full distrust. Idr why I liked 664 atp

[Gamma Emerald]

I think titus gets it, i just hope she doesn't explain it.

Why the fuck can't it be her?

[Gamma Emerald]

y'all can kill vax
I've been essentially good with it for a while (outside of having that huge fucking problem with what looked like Ircher hammering)

[Gamma Emerald]

If there’s no sign of nico getting replaced I might be cool with that. For now:
VOTE: Ircher

[Gamma Emerald]

Please note that there were 2 deaths last night. I posted one a little after, my mistake.

Oof
Tbh that was the best move for him to make

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think BEF is town. I wouldn’t be blindsided by him being scum but he’s hitting all the right notes to sound towny rn
I just walked dick-first into a surprisingly good metaphor there.

[Gamma Emerald]

also regarding gamma: for me it's a general sense of good vibes from his posting + looking at the vc, he put pressure on tsunami/vax early on when the votes had left that slot (i should check to see if they were rvs though, lmao) and i also don't see him as trying to derail the wagon. if anything he was trying to get ppl to take a better look at it beyond the rep issue?

Yeah
ET is pushing me for shading Vax voters but the intent was to get them to back up their votes, a bit like what Ircher did but with probably more tact and contextual sensitivity, as well as not implicitly defending the slot. BEF has clearly shown he’s on the level here, so I’m not worried about whether talking about this now annuls being able to read him off it; he passed the test with flying colors. In Cards of Destiny, I actually iirc was pushing players on my own wagon to justify their votes D1, but the intent was not to talk the wagon down necessarily, I was fine eating the lim, as long as it was a well-defined wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda don't think Gamma's reaction to Ircher's Vax vote, and Gamma continuing to push that after Vax flipped scum, is terribly likely to come from a scum Gamma

The Vax flip was immaterial to how bad that vote looked when I presumed it was hammer
I was like, minutes away from posting my case, and had to rush to get the damn thing done before potential thread lock
So tbh take that however you will

[Gamma Emerald]

im feeling a little better about gamma rereading there, just the view on vax doesn't seem consistent

we have a lot of cognitive dissonance to work out so probably uh. ignore some posts
-shelly

Is this cogdis between you and Tay or?

[Gamma Emerald]

gypyx just outed us both as commuter due to me not filtering my thoughts and accidentally slipping and claiming
-shelly

This is town y’all

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda don't think Gamma's reaction to Ircher's Vax vote, and Gamma continuing to push that after Vax flipped scum, is terribly likely to come from a scum Gamma

The Vax flip was immaterial to how bad that vote looked when I presumed it was hammer
I was like, minutes away from posting my case, and had to rush to get the damn thing done before potential thread lock
So tbh take that however you will

tbf gamma this actually hurts my case since if the reaction was due to you having been working on a case then you could easily be annoyed as scum that you didn't have time to finish your post for NAI reasons rather than the much townier reason I thought you had that reaction

Wait what was your original reason
And I do think what I did was town indicative but I’d like to let others see it before cramming it down people’s squawk boxes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn't like one of the last three boon games result in a scum win after scum manipulated fakeclaims in a bizarre hood? That was the one where someone got culted or something right?

Anyway softing mason is very likely to be distracting rather than helpful, I don't think you need to play nightkill games when scum are so far shooting off post count, if you're town you're already probably a top kill option.

To Boon or not To Boon? All I really remember is I bungled my claim but it didn’t matter at all that I did so really.

[Gamma Emerald]

theres some angleshooty stuff i wont get in to.

Nope. You brought it up, now speak the fuck up. You can’t just throw out a coy “angleshooting” claim and not expect to be forced to back it the fuck up.
Also, how the hell are my Noraa interactions “outed scum”? And again: I have an established desire to have wagons be for good reasons. I saw the votes pick up when the replacement happened, so I wanted everyone to define what about the situation made Tsunami scummy. It looks like your entire read on me that doesn’t amount to rule-breaking shit has to do with my treatment of the flipped scum. That’s a pretty one-trick case imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

why are you still voting gamma tho

I mean I know he hasn't reacted but you really think the vax interaction is s/s?

that's the main point taylor is selling and I buy it
the inconsistent trajectory, SRing there when nobody was pushing and derailing when it was huge
-shellyc

Pop quiz: who the fuck was I detailing towards?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure if unbirthdays are supposed to power me up or down...

Gamma, it feels like you have some pent up anger and frustration there, have you tried celebrating a birthday to relax?

The angleshooting bit kinda put me on tilt
I’ll be fine maybe

[Gamma Emerald]

leafraking

wut

[Gamma Emerald]

nvm

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the possibility of an informed role in the scum team in a game where there are multiple normal roles reflavored? I'd say maybe 75%

I don't think that GX "slipping" meant you need to hardclaim at all

You're acting like: a) informed is an uncommon role (it's not)
b) scum would have different flavor than town for the same role (they wouldn't)
c) scum couldn't just fakeclaim ascetic and then change to commuter (they could)
d) scum would have no counter-play around flavor in a game where many roles are reflavored

In any case I have currently a stronger claim to being IC since the setup confirms there is a VT and so far there is no flipped VT. Until you see another VT, you should treat me as IC :3

It wasn’t GPX who slipped

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Actually more I think of it, more likely this feels like town that was butthurt their stupid reasons for thinking they were IC were called out rather than an actual scum reaction, this is probably just obnoxious town

I did get a gutping from taylor as scum separately day 1 but that's not strong enough to vote over Ari atm and my feelings on ET overall are still pretty muddled

Why is Ari scum though

[Gamma Emerald]

why are you still voting gamma tho

I mean I know he hasn't reacted but you really think the vax interaction is s/s?

that's the main point taylor is selling and I buy it
the inconsistent trajectory, SRing there when nobody was pushing and derailing when it was huge
-shellyc

Pop quiz: who the fuck was I detailing towards?

derailing lol

-shelly

Cool so you have no legitimate answer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure if unbirthdays are supposed to power me up or down...

Gamma, it feels like you have some pent up anger and frustration there, have you tried celebrating a birthday to relax?

The angleshooting bit kinda put me on tilt
I’ll be fine maybe

you got pissed at noraa when she replaced out. i was sad when she replaced out, but i imagine if i were scum with her id be pissed too. look what happened.
-tay

I was pissed she took 72 with her because I was still thinking the slot could be town
Tbh I think that reasoning makes me towny, since I wanted to work with town 72, which I a) wouldn’t have the same desire as scum and b) would already know it wasn’t even town!72

[Gamma Emerald]

Shoshin feels like town already
Am I being hasty?

[Gamma Emerald]

That can be faked pretty easily, that's not a good reason to townread you.

But like
What direct motive is there for me to be mad at her replacing out as scum with her?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd also argue that Nico was fairly obvious town before I replaced, so... I dunno. Can you assume I'm town for our discussion?

Uh how
I mean she did basically the same thing she did in Big Four but that’s not something I’d ever call obvtown
I don’t wanna reward chronic flaking

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Gamma, how are you? What're your reads this game?

I TR ET and GPX for claims and their interactions involving that, BEF is town for playing as I feel like he would as town and hitting specific check boxes, HBB has just given town vibes, especially since I found out he was Hectic, HUB is weaker town but I still think that rn. And then I just formed a TR on you!
For suspects I want to look at Samantha given I had felt like Ircher/Sam had 1 scum and Ircher flipped town. Idk why Ari is being sussed but I don’t object rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Gamma, can you explain why HUB is town? This player seems very upset that I replaced a potential mislynch. In my experience, that's a massive scum-tell.

I guess I can see that? I’ll think about it for sure. But as for my feelings I think his early play felt motivated in a town way.

[Gamma Emerald]

*barf*
I'm not interested in your angleshoot case on why your claim is towny.

[Gamma Emerald]

That's not an angle-shoot, that's a gamestate analysis, they're pretty different gamma. I'm literally talking about flips and claims, that is the exact opposite of angle-shooting.

Do you not think scum are mostly non-vanilla at this point?

maybe
actually thinking about the magnitude of commuters and stuff the answer becomes yes
but like I don't like this sort of argument, especially when I don't think vanilla cop has much place in the setup rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Shellyc will post from their main account now.

this is how a town hydra head handles this sort of thing

[Gamma Emerald]

me too, but I'd wager it be like, an investigative that relies on the blocking effect for its validity (so loyal/disloyal whatever)

[Gamma Emerald]

claiming vanilla or not wouldn't matter to a loyal role

[Gamma Emerald]

read my posts, recently stated those.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. Shelly seems scummy. That means Shelly is town. Done. Sorted.

this is town and i reached the same conclusion (so both shelly/tay and tsunami are town)
gypyx is probably town as well
taly seems town
VOTE: samantha this slot is scumpinging me

Looking back, I agree with HBB that this raises concerns. Scum tend to over justify reads they know are wrong, and while the reasoning is weak, it's also over justification relative to the other reads.

I could see this

[Gamma Emerald]

If every vote on my wagon is "I'm voting you for the sake of pressuring you" then I have nothing to actually respond to and my concerns, especially since Ari continues to just not play the game and there's like 2 other non-town that I honestly just don't know where are. To produce content that is readable, I need to be able to solve the people no my wagon and determine whether it's a misguided town wagon or a scum-driven wagon. GX is "feel like it" and you are "pressure" and TGP is "don't like it" ... how am I supposed to solve the alignments of any of those reasons lol, how is anybody?

I like this sentiment tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if it’s that we are actually are town or something

lol I like this question

it's entirely possible that this is a very townie wagon even if ari does end up being town

I think solving the slot that is unreadable is still townie even if it's a misfade or a misfade wagon

Yeah I don’t think scum are thinking about approaching it yet vs. leaving it til later maybe
I remember taking this approach with Navy (aka NicoRobin) once as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a wiki but it’s SUPER dated and looks like shit and I can’t be bothered to rectify that atp
If anyone wants to overhaul the goddamned mess on their own feel free to but the best I can really do is supply the raw links for my completed games

[Gamma Emerald]

ariiii

you keep saying you'll read/do things but haven't and it's not looking good :<

I know I know

I didn't mean right that second. I mean, like, quite soon.
It's a big game and I find those daunting and often run away from them hoping to be strung along until it's a manageable size. I'm gonna change that one day.

Yeah I remember you coasting through your TM 2018 game, got you in a lotta trouble.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh
Who sussed Nico and moved to Ari after Nico got replaced? That might be a good place to look?

[Gamma Emerald]

You forgot Samantha lul

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah this feels entirely like Ari’s TM 2018 gameplay. He’s town, stop voting him.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is stupid
Who hasn't been in the limelight yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon
idk who's out of focus rn but you seem content to make it hard to focus on them. All your targets are LHF, and I find it highly unlikely you're right on ANY of your current suspects.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nico weas LHF and I just find that you haven't once reconsidered on Shoshin to be a bit suspect
And what is BEF's so-called scumrange?
For why I think you're wrong, Ari fits neatly into a mold I've observed from town!him before where he's not engaged and not exact worried that he isn't in a broad sense, BEF has been making the right comments at the right times to a point I don't think he's faking it, because he'd just be too damn good in that case, and Shoshin has this swagger I don't think scum!her has.

[Gamma Emerald]

The only thing I find remotely convincing there is the part about Shoshin. For BEF, I feel like he's acting similarly to Cards of Destiny and he knows I'm looking out for such things and is actively but not exploitatively showing the thing I want to see from him. I could be pocketed, but I'm NOT entertaining the thought for some time. wrt Ari I've pretty much paid no mind to townslips and in fact don't see what the deal is with them?

[Gamma Emerald]

In that game he was also a bit of a target, somewhat a self-inflicted situation, but he became obvtown when everyone realized that a) he was being earnest and b) he was pretty obviously a miselim scum were hungering for when he opened himself up

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: BEF
its role fishing since scum!you doesn't read into detail and care about the CLAIMS more than finding SCUM
-S

I wonder if townpr!me would find knowing who is ascetic etc...useful....

I don't take this entirely as a genuine PR soft, but it's a salient point in that hypothetical case.

Hi, its almost 7am again.

Can someone recap the last 10 pages?

Also, please update the list with any new CLAIMS MADE.

Seems a bit too blatant on the circumstantial simultaneity to be scum. He essentially retreaded every single thing that had been setting people off against him. If he's scum he's betting it all on WIFOM here.

I mean a wise men once said that a BEF D1 wagon has scum at the helm.

It's been awhile since it's happened but maybe that sentiment still stands.

Here he is repeating a phrase I remember from that other game, though I guess I do see a mildly contradictory tone to it, but not one I think makes him scum, it's just defeating his point potentially.

VOTE: BEF

If we haven't.

I am trying to work with you to get over my OMGUS and you stick your finger in the wound.

I like BEF's self-awareness here.

Well assuming you are town, I would not want you to tunnel another town.

If you are scum then this is all for naught anyways.

Do you scumread us?

-S

No, but I'm not locktowning you either. Imo, tunneling can also go in the other direction if you locktown someone too early.

This kinda feels like nonsense but it's nonsense that touches on a good idea. If phrased better this could be exceptionally salient commentary on over-confident townreads.

Reads on anybody outside of

{Sam/ET}

?

~Taly

Off the top of my head, you and the 2 birthday slots are TRs. I kind of like Ydrasse as town too.

This kinda feels like a town way to drop reads. That's just a personal thing though, probably.

Yea, you and gamma we heard from, but I want to hear everyone else's reasoning on the record.

I also support this
As I said, I want the wagon well defined. BEF knows I have pushed for this before btw, so I think he should be able to back my mindset up to people like Tay who are FoSing me for both pushing Vax and trying to pick at the Vax voters.

I feel comfortable in putting Gamma in my town block.

BEF knows I'm on a certain wavelength in how I'm reading him and the fact he acknowledges that and locktowns me immediately means his motives are probably trustworthy. And if I'm wrong I'm not going to or in the mood to find out rn, tbqh.

[Gamma Emerald]

I honestly don't get what you mean at all for 363.

He said the same things he said to get him in the mess he was in. I doubt he's so clueless to where scum!him would traipse along like that not being cognizant of the shit he's stepping into, so if he's scum it's some high level shit he's doing.

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I could spell it out if needed

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bell
I looked at the living players and realized I'd forgotten he was a player
so that definitely makes him suspect if I stick to my "scum was out of focus" theory.

[Gamma Emerald]

CAN Y'ALL JUST FUCKING TRUST ME ON ARI??!?!!?!??!??

[Gamma Emerald]

I could easily see TayTay/shelly as scum tbh. I'll maybe do a case another time. I am losing steam and it's not gonna get a good case out of me. But they shaded people like Gamma in the right spots for it to be scumshade and Iunno what to think of the Commuter claim as I haven't really read that part. But the way they go about it feels odd. Plus interactions with Tsunami etc etc.

I could see shelly as scum but until I get a better picture of the setup I'm treating that slot, as well as GPX, as untouchable

[Gamma Emerald]

Can everyone give a quick summary of their thoughts on Bell?

[Gamma Emerald]

i'll trust past me and consider bell as town

Why did past-you think bell was town?

[Gamma Emerald]

my patience is limited rn

[Gamma Emerald]

:/
VOTE: tsunami

I want to say this kinda does not feel like a bus to me?

@Gamma

I'd need more context
Bell just feels content to ride out the gamestate I think

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

so like, i really don't like how you're sheeping here. it feels a bit like... self-conscious about how you're trying to follow behind on gamma here, and like yeah sure you said that your vca implicates bell but from you it feels cheap because you hadn't said anything about bell prior to today. that, and the fact that your analysis of his vote is pretty mild makes me like... dunno, it feels again to me like you're trying to take an easy way out when it comes to voting (because i def thought that your d1 vote was that)

Is Ari not more of an easy vote here?

[Gamma Emerald]

can you explain the 'out of focus' thing?

no one seems interested in pushing outside the {BEF, Ari, shoshin} pool
so I'm looking at the people with next to no one looking at them as suspects
Bell is first to mind when I looked at who actually seemed that way

[Gamma Emerald]

It's needlessly cryptic imo

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and like, there's no actual reason to vote Ari, just reason to jump off HUB

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maybe sometimes... things are just obvious....

do you like. the focus thing, do you think that the attention being on them is indicative then of all 3 of them being town then + it's just like, an easy place for scum to put their efforts?

yeah that's about what I think. The only person I don't expressly think is town out of that pool is shoshin and I think the fact the push is primarily on the two slots I do think are town means it's not something I should be trusting
also I really think it's obvious Ari is just bust town here, and anyone who'd bother to solicit the meta I've mentioned would see that

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busy*

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I think you're the only one in the common lim pool who has a decent-at-best chance rn

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Gamma what's the difference between inactive Ari scum and inactive Ari town.
Ari can also answer this.

I think inactive town!Ari tends to not worry much about the impression he makes, in a sort of ditzy way

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tbh I'm losing faith that Ari will eventually come in and do good things here

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tbh I'm losing faith that Ari will eventually come in and do good things here

Who knows but I don't see anything else coming out of today unless activity really picks up. I'll move back to Ari if the Bell wagon doesn't go through.

I don't know what else to say though for now.

What do you think about my point on bell / tsunami not being S/S?

This is weird. I'm town because I never bus day 1 or at least would have tried to move the wagon/unvoted at some point.
Instead I just saw the scums for pretty clear reasons and yeeted the scums for ongoing game reasons that I couldn't comment at the time.
You're trying to read, like tone, when the answers right infront of you.

is that town or scum?

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Who isn’t in your townreads rn?

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Noraa also struggles with basic setup info, no offense, that’s just how she is.

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GTH ari

you do not get to treat ari like this

Why post this now

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GTH ari

you do not get to treat ari like this

Why post this now

what

Ari has been pushed for a while

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Yeah BEF has a real point here

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Yeah BEF has a real point here

howso? those posts still look exactly like what I'd expect to see from scum posturing on someone they know flips scum, they don't look exculpatory at all to me

why half ass the bus
and why give the planned NK a last chance to speak?

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i’m also down for the sam vote let me open everyone’s third eyes to that wagon

I wouldn't oppose that and am curious why it took so long to come up

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tone + meta that reinforces the tone

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just read my posts and then come forth with any questions you still have
I don't wanna retread ground I don't have to

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just read my posts and then come forth with any questions you still have
I don't wanna retread ground I don't have to

do you think shoshin forgets the last time you talked about this point as town?

maybe???

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ok hi good morning

I was gonna wait until 24 hours were left or someone was e-1 to post this, but now that the game has livened up and it's close to 24 hours anyway, I'm gonna roleclaim

*drumroll*

enchantress

yes, that is the 3rd commuter claim

what's even more interesting than there supposedly being 3 commuters in this game is that I targeted pelican last night and they died anyway

I've been conflicted since the gypyx/shelly interaction today as to which is most likely mafia (I mean I guess it's possible there are 3 town commuters but?)

for gypyx: he claimed first and was the first to claim commuter

for shelly: I found taylor's posts outside of the roleclaims to be extremely town

@gypyx and shelly, who did you both target last night?

>:/
I don't think 3 commuters is farfetched for this series tbh, but yours IS the odd one out

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@boon is there any way multiple variant/bank roles can be crammed into one slot, such as repeating the same role?

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why >:?

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VOTE: shoshin
I agree with the performative question deal at this point

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Yeah, so obviously, Noraa was the most obvious wolf

For me this became apparent on the rep out
I wasn’t so much reading Noraa as much as I was reading 72. He seemed so off from his town game I had with him before, then he dropped out taking Noraa with him, which pinged me to near certainty in that read

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so who was HUB because I still am trying to figure out why they said I would not want to play with them knowing who they are

I know but I have decided to not out them out of respect for them and their personal struggles

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Ydrasse pinged me but I never got to speak on it BEFORE YOU FOOLS YEETED ME

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But

holy fuck

did Bell have a scum streak

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sigh

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But

holy fuck

did Bell have a scum streak

I noticed that, he must be a changed man
I know of Epilogue, PookyVFlava, Among Us, Boonie... did I miss any?

smoke filled antechamber and xenoblade 2

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I'd have trouble calculating my scum roll rate for all time, but since June 2020 (which was the start of my playstyle pretty much transforming entirely) I think I've rolled scum in about half my games?

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yeah idk why that game made it on the list

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tbh I think I should update my wiki
by which I mean I'm redoing it to focus on more recent stuff

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3 scum rolls in a row was rough.
I'm okay with PT opening btw, sorry for not mentioning it earlier.

GG guys.

Yeah
That also made it hard to read you right in GvR5 but your self-meta there made me slow my roll enough to realize Akarin’s TR on you was probably right, even if I felt the reasoning was off