I genuinely guffawed so loud Mel had to come check as to what was so funny.
10/10 on the memes George.
Will add actual value* later.
(*Value not guaranteed)
I'm pretty happy with my potato based statement as it is tbhIn post 37, Nexus wrote:There's no reason for town to want to give away their potato. Please explain, cpol
It's a genuine question. I see more scum plays than town plays myself in placing the nomination down that early and am wanting to know your thoughts on why you did so.In post 42, Primate wrote:Pfft, play the ball, not the man.
Hmmm... RIP, Crown & Dwarf I think
Largely indifferent at this point? I agree with potato based play being something we should do.In post 88, Bellaphant wrote:...I just realised you wwre talking about cpol, not myko. Yes, I would love Cpol to come talk to me.
@cpol, how do you feel about CES?
That's fine, but the potato is only available today, and I didn't want to do this too late in to the day that we can't discuss how it plays out and then move on from there.In post 122, mykonian wrote:You are too down on yourself, the votes of Nexus and Klick had nothing behind them really. Primates question to you did. I don't think you'd be on the chopping block anytime soon.In post 120, cpol wrote:but do see myself as low hanging fruit for an execution - either today or another day, so hopefully I can remove myself from that consideration and we can scum hunt elsewhere, especially today where there is still some time left in the day.
I think this was a mistake, Fenchurch is the one person who doesn't remember that you had the same sentiment in the physical game.
There is also the chance that Meno is a Tanner or something of course. Were there any meme-y One Night Ultimate Werewolf games that were played that could mean it's a role that's included?In post 197, Nexus wrote:Self voting is such a dumb thing to do.
Given the current position on Meno, is there anything that you would like to expand on from this comment now?In post 58, Postie wrote:Menno townread for reasons that would be unwise for me to go into (not role-related).
This does not seem like someone who is scum coming into a new day after performing an extremely questionable execution to me.In post 166, McMenno wrote:Your honour, I am not scum, I was simply on drugs.
also, mykonian was the nightkill and Takuma the vigkill... obviously
and I'm pretty sure cpol is town anywayplease!!!In post 158, Shanba wrote:Woooo, I survived the night!
I have some very interesting thoughts I'd be willing to share, if requested
I think Nexus is scummy for myko scumreading him and myko being killed but that's light atm.
This is the post I like the least in the last couple of pages. It feels like momentum is moving away from Meno, and this is a not-so-subtle nudge to get it back on track.In post 234, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I don't think it's quite as straightforward as scum potato vendor = cpolscum, so I don't see any need to rush it.
I'm happy for the day to end.
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You saw me playing scrabblegrams or whatever it's called....In post 244, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I've never liked this question. It's a distraction. Have you ever done like a crossword (or other word puzzle) where you're given a letter in a word and you immediately get it, even though you had previously considered that very same possibility?If we execute them and they do come up as scum, who would you want to execute the following day? If they did not come up as scum, where would you be looking instead?
I think any conversations around this have shown it to be NAI. Either I am scum and set the whole thing up, or I am town and have been set up as a miss-execution. It seems most likely that scum gave me the potato, but someone owning up to that doesn’t help either way. Rather than the potato itself, do you think I'm playing scummy?In post 263, Klick wrote:Nothing has changed, and if Chris' potato isn't explained I want him to die today
I'm not satisfied by any explanations I can think of that involve Chris-town being saved by scum.
No, they don't. And I hope that you can see from my other questions to Menno that I wasn't enamoured with their responses. I'm still waiting for an answer to my last question about me also being technically included in the execution. Like I said before I like almost all of Menno's comments, but I don't like the execution at all.In post 279, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:This whole exchange feels like basically a distraction. Here's what I find interesting: Menno has now made some more comments about "why" they hammered Bella - do any of their comments actually feel like they explain or illuminate what happened?
I think this is a dangerous way of thinking, Postie. You’re forcing the game to have the narrative you want it game to have, rather than the one it does. I implore you to have a re-read of the game from an objective viewpoint. You’re a strong town read for me, but I think your lack of objectiveness here isn’t helping. I’m happy to be questioned on anything from me that you are still unhappy with.In post 301, Postie wrote: And maybe it's too early in the game for this but I do find that "who would I be the most mad about losing to if they turned out to be scum?" tends to correlate with scum often enough for me for it to be a useful tool to decide who I need to not back off, and I can tell you I will literally never let any of you live it down if either Menno or cpol are scum and just never executed for some reason
Not that it necessarily matters, but if I came under substantive pressure, I’d react similar to how I did yesterday - that if it were looking likely the execution was going to stick I would accept it. I’m VT, I have no abilities to affect the game, and enough interesting conversations have happened around me (unfortunately including potatoes) that I think me flipping would offer up some benefit compared to a random shot in the dark and would also add some clarity to what’s been previously said. If it is going to happen, I'd rather it was early in the game than drag it out to an end game conversation. Though I do think that I have shown enough pro town play to be a bad choice. And of course I’d still rather try and get scum.In post 318, Postie wrote:In post 306, Klick wrote: That's part of what's so frustrating about no one voting cpol with me - never got a chance to see how cpol responds to pressure
Then why aren't you voting Menno right now? You even said you think they are scummy in #324.In post 327, Primate wrote:Don't find him particularly scummy, lean town. Him keeping his thoughts limited to certain issues is a bit of a shame. I don't agree with your argument against him and Chris' case is uninspiring.
And you can't even chose between either CES or Menno at this point?In post 331, Wenna wrote:NopeIn post 304, Postie wrote:Do you have any actual reads you can substantiate
Unfortunately, this is going to sound like a tall story, but I had just typed up a post stating that I didn't want the day to end without an execution, and that Menno dying at least gave us some information. I was going to vote for them, as I didn't trust the people that weren't voting at the time (and could run down the clock), and time was running out. When I pressed submit this was then shown:In post 357, Postie wrote:@cpol- Why did you hammer without intent, given Poro had expressed they were still catching up?
I wrongly assumed at this point that Menno was actually scum, and this was some kind of play to implicate me or something. I thought it was a final throw of the dice to cause confusion, especially as I had been one of Menno’s staunchest defenders. Hence my “lol.” I just decided to vote and then play out whatever came the next day, rather than try and type some long justification. My previous message would have sounded very disingenuous following Menno’s post. However, I now assume it was Menno saying that they were agreeing with me, and a general sigh of frustration to everyone else who has been slow playing and not offering much up to actually try and get scum.In post 351, McMenno wrote:good luck cpol o7
I'll flip that round - why would you not have thought they were?In post 366, Fenchurch wrote:I actually don't follow that - what made Klick more town to you after Menno flipped scum?In post 365, cpol wrote:Given that Menno flipped town, the chances of Klick being scum were super low
OK, I've re-read and I'm going to rescind my comment here.In post 362, cpol wrote:That's certainly believable. Fenchurch's play around the start of D2 looks pretty suspicious now that the Menno execution has happened. The certainty around how things played out does look like scum who have come up with a narrative they want to push.
We’ve already had a lot of conversations around CES and seen their reaction. The claim for me also leans of the town side (60/40 I’d say). I’d much rather spend the time today putting pressure on the lurkers so they don’t get another day of not posting. Maybe we cycle back later if we’re getting nowhere, but more pressure right now doesn’t give us anything new I’d say. I certainly don't want to speed execute them.In post 383, Postie wrote:As far as I can tell you just called everything NAI - where's the "enough" for moving away part?
Agreed – not really looking to pursue this any further at this point, just pointing out an observation in case it helps later. If we do ever hit scum, it may be an interesting cross reference however. Though your question is valid still.In post 384, Postie wrote: …seems like a pointless line of enquiry.
Actually, just to be thorough: does anyone who played in previous invitationals know if fakeclaims were provided? I tried looking through past modded games via CDB's wiki but couldn't find any useful info that way.
I think both Postie and I have raised that concern now as well. I can see it being a possibility myself, and at think point my reads are that you two are the most likely to be town, so would advocate playing on the side of caution.In post 399, Fenchurch wrote:
Everyone- I've just been thinking, in a 13 player game is it most likely that we have a 3-person scum team? In which case, if we wrongly execute today then we lose. Should we massclaim - popcorn from CES?
Tried to counterwagon with who sorry?In post 410, Nexus wrote:I mean, I tried to counterwagon the McMenno wagon with you, my dude.
Surely you can't have expected a town potato vendor to suddenly come forward now, can you?In post 423, Fenchurch wrote:Well it confirms that the potato vendor is scum, and in that case, why did they save Cpol?
This still hasn’t happened. Poro is a good person to default on a scum I think. Same with Wenna at this point, who CES seems to be pushing for. Klick at the time was a popular scum read who it was easy to throw some shade on to, even though this has since been proven to be incorrect.In post 324, Primate wrote: I should stop pulling the poro read out of my ass and actually solidify it. Klick's been a bit scummy too.
An finally… If I had to guess I’d say that Primate is the potato vender, as the flavour kind of fits - “mandarin covered in Sellotape”, could be a replacement scum potato!In post 43, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote: In terms of PrimBella, I think Primate has to have relatively specific beliefs as to how likely Menno is to act impulsively to rule out the move as scum but for it to feel reasonable as town. Personally, I think the more compelling argument against it is that I'm not sure scumPrim would choose to put the pressure on a scum buddy in that way.
Only by going back over ground that's been talked about ad infinitum at this point. Does it help anything? At it's simplest it adds confusion in to the game and lets us waste our time debating whether it was a scummy move or not, rather than actually scum hunting.In post 429, Fenchurch wrote: If you think the potato vendor is scum (which you seem to, with your accusation of Primate) can you explain why they protected you?
I'm implying that I could see Primate is a scum potato vender, very loosely based off flavour.In post 436, Postie wrote:In post 425, cpol wrote:Surely you can't have expected a town potato vendor to suddenly come forward now, can you??In post 425, cpol wrote:An finally… If I had to guess I’d say that Primate is the potato vender, as the flavour kind of fits - “mandarin covered in Sellotape”, could be a replacement scum potato!
So am I right in assuming that you just had a general apathy towards the game? And as a 'town' player, you were either happy with the direction that the game was taking, or simply not following it?In post 435, Primate wrote:Not posting is not posting. What's the point making an excuse, the reason's the same, there were other things you enjoyed doing more (or needed to do more) than playing forum mafia in this specific game at that time.In post 428, cpol wrote:Others have when asked? Or at least I've seen Menno explained the hammer by saying they were zooted, Nexus saying they aren't that invested because they are a VT, Poro saying that they weren't bothered by D1 because of the Consul/potato stuff and Wenna saying that they aren't super sure what to do in forum mafia. So I can't see why a similar level of explanation could be asked of you. Everyone there has been willing to put some kind of justification in.