Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[Datisi]

like what do you think i am trying to accomplish by asking people for their progressions and thoughts on t3

it's pretty clear he's gonna flip sooner rather than later

yes, let's make people flesh out why exactly they scumread him so that they get even more cree after he flips, excellent plan i agree

pedit: i'm not talking about calendar

[Datisi]

yes i'm sorry i tried to figure out whether kitty/t3 make any sense as s/s after kitty made the godawful vote on t3, very sorry it will not happen again

[Datisi]

You genuinely believe our hood has 0 scum?

i don't think of scum with regards to hood memberships and i think it's extremely stupid to solve that way, which is why i didn't understand alisae's scumread there

i have been begging alisae to explain to me why they scumread t3 and they keep giving me non-answers, i'm not making anything out

based on their answers, why does alisae scumread t3, norwee?

[Datisi]

i want us to remove the scum that is definitely in there

do you have mod-confirmed mechanical information that there is scum present in your hood?

[Datisi]

then stop acting like you do?

[Datisi]

like jesus fucking christ why are both you and alisae distancing and pussyfooting around your t3 scumread under the excuse of "he's the scummiest in the hood" THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

either own the scumread or admit it's not that strong, i don't want to be solving around the nonsense bullshit of "scummiest in hood" because it's so easy for scum to hide behind that

why does alisae scumread t3, norwee? from what am i supposed to understand their scumread there?

[Datisi]

Datisi please read the following out loud…

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong

yes thank you that is exactly the fucking problem

y'all admit that your read on t3 is weak and still the only reason given is "scummiest in hood", but you're still preflipping half the game based on him being scum and you don't see the problem in that??

[Datisi]

ya i'm fucking mad

this was supposed to be a simple question that we both spend one post on, and then i wait for catboi to answer my post in hood, i draw conclusions on alisae/catboi/t3, and we move on with our lives

but it's turned into this nonsense and i'm taking a break from this game until my classes of the day are done

[Datisi]

okay I'm basically caught up

I have cold feet on kittytacky now but I also trust the players voting him significantly more than I do the ones on T3

this post is giving me anxiety

do you still support those wagons? who do you want if not them?

[Datisi]

okay I'm basically caught up

I have cold feet on kittytacky now but I also trust the players voting him significantly more than I do the ones on T3

this post is giving me anxiety

do you still support those wagons? who do you want if not them?

I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS TONALLY OFF BTW.

why

[Datisi]

yeah sorry i didn't start screaming in all caps in fear so that you can recognise my emotions

also if you don't see a problem with catboi lowkey supporting the wagons and not trying to divert from them while also kind of calling them town, that is again your issue

[Datisi]

almost as if... you are tunnelled on me beyond reason...

[Datisi]

That one Charloux post I quoted was pretty awful. Marashu is another one I'd do.

why is that charloux post bad again? i did find your post, but i don't get it

[Datisi]

titus, do you have any reads that aren't vca?

[Datisi]

titus, do you have any reads that aren't vca?

Just posted my guess solve a bit ago.

I'm building out from the VCA.

i saw the guess solve but 4 naked names with zero explanation do nothing for me

[Datisi]

oh, is that my cue?

VOTE: alisae

[Datisi]

enchant buddy can you confirm whether or not you have d1 info on marasho being a bad flip for town

[Datisi]

awesome, awesome, awesome

i'm gonna go pretend this game doesn't exist for some number of hours

[Datisi]

Heres's something interesting to contemplate on.

Enchant was asked if they had info on Marashu. They said they had no info about them in their role pm.
They then said later that they actually do have info about Marashu.

huh?

[Datisi]

okay well i think you should actually claim that because due to things i am highly skeptical of shiro's claim

[Datisi]

VOTE: enchant

let's try it lmfao

[Datisi]

enchant replaced into a game catboi was modding and instantly gamethrew and then tried to justify his actions in post game

[Datisi]

no scum is online

quick, whoever is online is gonna be conftown once enchant flips red

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[Datisi]

cool, my vote is not moving then

[Datisi]

well, considering enchant's scumrange is zero, we should know his alignment for sure pretty quick

VOTE: t3? idk lole

[Datisi]

oh yeah i just realized i need to stop completely ignoring marashu now cool cool COOL

[Datisi]

i am just so confused about t3's play if scum here because i know he's capable of more than this

ig everyone has off games sometimes but it's just weird

[Datisi]

i'm finding it hard to take t3 seriously when he starts with "i do have strong reads!!" and then explains the misty read by calling three of her posts bad, except those posts are from the 600s

[Datisi]

something something prodge something something kill t3 waiting for replacements k bye

[Datisi]

actually yeah that was 10 by my count, going from the last vc

[Datisi]

k

[Datisi]

am big tired currently bc uni is a bitch, i'll try to take a proper look at stuff tomorrow after i get some sleep (and after the reps do something maybe)

i will be around for a bit if anyone has any q's for me or anything i can look at right now, though

[Datisi]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

i liked that fire post about titus and it spoke much more to me than pp's "titus lie about me >:("

i have never heard of this piece of meta about titus, but assuming you're telling the truth:

(1) "although sometimes does" and "dead giveaway" cannot exist together. pick one.
(2) this is a role that cannot go unseen, even if she's scum - i feel like you're missing nuance here by omitting that part from thinking about her

[Datisi]

ah yes bear is still town, i remember that

[Datisi]

well i am scumreading mathblade, which is approximately business as usual so idk if it's actually telling of his alignment (his arguments for why titus is definitely town do not feel right to me)

as i said before, i like the fire post on titus and am considering joining there, though i do wanna let reps play a bit first and also get my grounding in this game again

uh, misty's case on me being s/s with t3 is like, fine, i guess. i am aware that the associates don't look great there in a vacuum. if misty was someone who was actually aware of my meta, i'd go into my usual "do you really think i play around partners the way i did there?" but i don't think xe is aware of that so yes whatever

[Datisi]

I will vote either Mistyx

why misty?

[Datisi]

anything interesting from that vca discussion to share with the class?

[Datisi]

what thing?

[Datisi]

hmm

depends on if scum-titus is good enough to dumbtell like that

i an assuming that the answer is yes (i recall her asking me for a sample town role pm in the cafe), but i'm listening to other ideas

[Datisi]

i mean, she lied about being in a hood in order to explain a "pt guilty" that was actually a pt inno, of course her claim got completely fucked up after that

here she had a decent amount of time to prepare

[Datisi]

i'm saying that being put on the spot like she was there, and the actions here, are very different

not to mention that if she's scum, she has 4 other people in the pt that can help her with mechanics

[Datisi]

who do you wanna kill if not titus, s_s?

[Datisi]

This just really seems like Titus is town here

She just doesn’t mess up like that as scum.

we are talking about a game where she DID mess up as scum...

[Datisi]

Not trying to get "points," and just trying to give information.

"protector of starclan" is the name of the town

[Datisi]

math, are you saying that scum-her is not capable of faking the event in this game?

[Datisi]

math, are you saying that scum-her is not capable of faking the event in this game?

Correct. I don’t think so no.

I think she has been swamped in RL and I don’t think this is fakery.

Her level of fakery as scum is generally really good.

if her level of fakery is really good... why is she not capable of acting confused about flavour names?

[Datisi]

k

if titus flips scum i am lowkey locktowning mathblade

[Datisi]

i'm gonna start scumreading everyone that brings up setup spec

[Datisi]

that wasn't even comodded by koba

[Datisi]

ah i get your point now

still disagree but yeah

[Datisi]

It’s even more sus a lot of people SR Datisi yet no one actually votes him.

who is the "a lot"? what does that tell you about anything this game?

[Datisi]

literally none of that explains why i'm scum

[Datisi]

i'm vacant posting because i don't feel like rereading today but i'm still gonna be around to interact

others have also posted that my t3 interactions are townie (e.g. dannflor) but that isn't something you're actually gonna interact with, is it

[Datisi]

also why are you saying plural "cases" when i have seen only one case (that was kinda mid, no offense)

also also, you have seen me play scum and seen me be "vocal af" as scum - so i think it's fair to say that my lack of loudness doesn't imply scum, because boi i can be loud as scum

so why tf are you bringing it up as an actual point

[Datisi]

i said i'm fine/agree with killing titus but want to give room to the reps and also not hammer 24 hours into the day so idk why you're shoving me under "not committing"

(and also i wanna at least pretend to look at the earlier game wagons, though this is very dependent on my mood and it may or may not happen)

and yeah sure there probably are Some Scum in the "non committed", but probably because there's quite a few of them and that's how probability works

[Datisi]

is kitty even widely scumread anymore?

[Datisi]

i mean if your overall topic is "here are a few incorrect assumptions, now give me a full game solve to accompany scum-titus or your read is invalid", yes you are absolutely right i am not responding to that lol

[Datisi]

k

if titus flips scum i am lowkey locktowning mathblade

Why? It has a "buddy defense" vibe imo. I don't know how to explain it.

well, it's like
fact: math is very good at scum
assumption: math and titus are scumbuddies

what in the everloving fuck is math doing? titus is close to death, and even if she doesn't die today, she probably will in the next few days. i think scum-math would know that, after titus flips red, he's gonna look like absolute garbage.

also, even speaking from a saving-titus angle - what is he doing?? he's calling her town for stuff that's not gonna convince anyone, and he's pushing me. except he's pushing me for not having an elaborate worldview around scum-titus - something that i don't think ANYONE voting her right now has! who is this supposed to convince to vote me?

and, i have very much seen town-math play an extra scumbuddy and strongly defend obvious scum. so i think it's very much not outside his townrange

* the only way the above doesn't apply is if titus is some uber strong scum power role that they would want to keep alive at all costs, which like... i doubt it, and we'll cross that bridge if we get to it

[Datisi]

uh, misty's case on me being s/s with t3 is like, fine, i guess. i am aware that the associates don't look great there in a vacuum. if misty was someone who was actually aware of my meta, i'd go into my usual "do you really think i play around partners the way i did there?" but i don't think xe is aware of that so yes whatever

also why are you saying plural "cases" when i have seen only one case (that was kinda mid, no offense)

is this a meaningful contradiction

probably not but i still feel eh about it

i don't think the case on me you put out is *a bad look for you* but also if you're aware of how i play, it's a bad case

which i know you aren't, but i am

[Datisi]

idk it just looks like shit

didn't t3 enter the game doing the bare minimum? probably would've done *something* to make myself look like not garbage

[Datisi]

Disagree, Datisi would probably be passive, hope T3 does something to get themselves out of their situation, but not really do much to help or hurt their chances.

if you think i, at this point, have ANY faith left that my scumbuddies won't be potatoes that do literally nothing to further the scum wincon, you are not familiar with my last few scumgames

[Datisi]

i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

[Datisi]

at this point, "why aren't you scum this game, datisi?" is a meme and not even i remember which answers are supposed to be townie or scummy

[Datisi]

did i miss something that made it "hard town"?

other than the obvious of hem not doing jack shit here, hey also haven't really done anything in the hood either

day 2 had catboi having a kittytacky scumread, but never actually voting there, which i find like. idk. weird. like he wanted others to do it for him. also he had this weird post in the hood where he was like "if t3 keeps playing like this, i'm gonna lolhammer him" which like. at the time i thought it could be catboi trying to excuse a quickhammer on t3 before we get a claim, but like... now that t3's flipped scum, and knowing catboi didn't have much of a read there, it feels *weird*

also, i now think all of kitty, math/alisae, and charloux are town - those three were his main scumreads/votes on d2. also just going though his iso, i am reminded he was scumreading marashu as well, and like...

idk, i have seen him wipe the floor with scum and frequently get killed early so this is somewhat of a bop read as well, but like

[Datisi]

i'm not scum so i can't answer it

[Datisi]

like the fact that he was kinda debating with me about how kitty should be scum and that my meta point was bad and then i went and researched to see and came back thinking he might actually be right and then he just like... ignores it and does nothing with that? and starts arguing with alisae instead?

can you link me where this was? i have ideas how this could be scum, but i should prob reread before saying

also, what reactions of his did you like?

[Datisi]

i was anxious about catboi before, but i knew if i started attacking him without a Very Good Case, he would outargue me

like you are absolutely correct that me openly saying this stuff is partly due to flow trap repping in and hem being a weaker/quieter player than catboi, but it's not coming from a scum mindset

[Datisi]

that's not to say i am 100% in the slot being scum or whatever, i absolutely am not

but with flow trap inhabiting the slot, i can be honest with my thought process on them without worry that scum-catboi will bury me for it

[Datisi]

uhuhuhhugughguhguh i need to compare catboi's trajectory on kitty in thread with his trajectory on kitty in the hood

that is so much effort i hate mafia

[Datisi]

okay uhh, i knew that catboi made some sorta "i'm not sure about my scumread on kitty anymore, am i dumb for that" post, and that was about half an hour after 2628

which like. i think this is +town for catboi. but also, he was kind of egging me on into voting alisae in the hood... and my paranoid brain is telling me that alisae kind of figured out that catboi/t3 is a thing, and that is a problem, so he decided to shut alisae out by running them up and/or voting them out

does that seem plausible?

[Datisi]

i read the iso parts that are supposed to be townie, and like idk. they don't give me anything. i do feel like his emotions are genuine, but i don't think it's impossible for scum to get annoyed at townies making shit arguments and people agreeing there and taking them seriously, i've been there.

as for the reaction to enchant, i genuinely think that's completely NAI because it's obviously outside the scope of the actual game

[Datisi]

around roughly when did he start egging you on to vote alisae in hood? before or after 2621?

his first post about feeling wary of alisae came about 15 minutes after that^^ post

it can't yet be called "egging it on", but i think it serves the purpose for the conversation

[Datisi]

ya i think i def do agree that my idea for a catboi-scum world is like, much weaker than i first thought

[Datisi]

are you gonna actually do something this game

[Datisi]

what do you think is happening

[Datisi]

i think he probably isn't, unfortunately

[Datisi]

DATISI, IN YOUR EXPERTISE, IF D2 WERE AN SvS CROSS BETWEEN KT AND T3, WHERE WOULD THE SCUM TEAM BE MOST LIKELY TO POSITION THEMSELVES GIVEN SOME DEGREE OF COMPETENCE AS A SCUM TEAM?

either bussing whichever one looked more likely to flip, or testing the waters for some third wagon.

though this is an answer purely on theory

[Datisi]

Spoiler: bear's 3507

DATISI, IN YOUR EXPERTISE, IF D2 WERE AN SvS CROSS BETWEEN KT AND T3, WHERE WOULD THE SCUM TEAM BE MOST LIKELY TO POSITION THEMSELVES GIVEN SOME DEGREE OF COMPETENCE AS A SCUM TEAM?

either bussing whichever one looked more likely to flip, or testing the waters for some third wagon.

though this is an answer purely on theory

YEAH YEAH WE GO THEORY INTO SPECIFICS

DOES THIS FIT IN THEORY?

honestly at this point i think scrrrdbear is probably mafia

i don't have the energy to put together a coherent case but a lot of the progression from today just feels unnatural?

like i think he was just throwing people into his suspect pool for the sake of it

i don't get the progression on T3
i don't get how he went from tunneling kitty to "oh i dont like some of kitty's comments but that hood could be pure ig" and the only real reasoning seemed like it was me pushing T3?
i don't like the random questioning of fire (maybe it was catboi) reading me that never went anywhere on either side

i just feel like he's been kinda taking the path of least resistance all day and it's weirding me out

i will freely admit i'm being paranoid but the "you're either scum or paranoid from sleep deprivation" line feels kind of like a gaslight?

and i don't mean this pejoratively or as a personal attack or anything like that that's just genuinely how it reads to me

i'm becoming paranoid because there's supposedly 5 scum in the game but the most that consensus can come up with is circling back to just kitty/T3, and we don't really have any sort of towncore leadership that i can tell

it feels like there's fundamental issues in gamestate that aren't being addressed so i threw out something that i thought was plausible to explain them

Alisae
catboi
Charloux
Datisi
NorwegianboyEE
Bell
KittyTacky
Dannflor
Mistyx
SCRRRDBEAR
Titus*
fireisredsir
Cephrir
Marashu
Shiro
Something_Smart
Val89
T3 Shiidaji
PenguinPower

if we remove the people i think i have decent reasons to townread we have

catboi
Dannflor
SCRRRDBEAR
fireisredsir
Something_Smart
T3
PenguinPower

[Titus]
[Kitty]

havent reread fire but never got pinged there so that's more a case of "i need to reread that to lock it in"

otherwise uh i don't think this was necessarily a meaningful reevaluation because this is pretty much where i was earlier

bleh

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

you and kitty are at the bottom as the ones i have bad reasons to townread

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

i could see enchant marashu having a mafia between them but i don't think it's enchant and i think marashu is individually decent enough

are they in the same hood idr

VOTE: T3

i don't know, but i don't think so. misty was voting t3 prior to this. she then unvoted him for ??? reasons, and tried to push s_s for a little bit, as the alisae and kittytacky wagons were happening. i don't think that scum transitions from bussing a deadweight buddy to pushing a random person when (1) that makes them look worse later (2) there were other possible wagons to hop on? i don't think anyone was seriously scumreading s_s. if misty is scum, that was done solely for wifom purposes.

LEARN TO KILL THE FIRE

i think he probably isn't, unfortunately

TO BE FRANK Y'ALL AIN'T EVEN CLOSE TO MY FIRST PICKS FOR A DREAM TOWNCORE EITHER, THAT'S FOR SURE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE THREE OF US HAVE DEMONSTRATED MUCH COMPETENCY IN UPROOTING DEEPSCUM AFAIK. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH Y'ALL AIN'T EVEN CLOSE TO MY LAST PICKS FOR A DREAM TOWNCORE THOUGH EITHER, IF THAT'S WORTH ANYTHING AT ALL.

no deepscum have flipped, nobody has displayed competency in uprooting them.... and since when am i a pick for a towncore at all?

BY THE WAY, IT'S CALLED "WORKING MEMORY"

my eyes rolled back into my skull

p sure you're both using the terms wrong

back to game related stuff - i will be extremely surprised if this post came from scum-bear.

p-edit: i acknowledge your responses i'm not going to read them or continue this conversation until tomorrow, thanks

MORE STALLING

like, this is a prime example of town-bear being insulting and demeaning to a person he's convinced is scum that i highly doubt scum-him knows how to replicate

i should probably just stop reading bear posts altogether, they're making me angry even if the garbage isn't aimed directly at me

[Datisi]

VOTE: flow trap

Honestly, thank you. My energy has been trash today, so pressure won't hurt.

Can I have a list of who is in what clan?

VOTE: Bell

can you talk more about the bell vote?

Misty being in Riverclan is perfect

why?

[Datisi]

WHAT DO YOU THINK CONVINCED ME THAT MISTYX IS SCUM? WHAT CAUSED ME TO AGGRO ONTO MISTYX IN THIS WAY?

i don't know, why is it important?

[Datisi]

no, i'm trying to figure out why you're asking me the things you're asking me

[Datisi]

k

[Datisi]

i have sorted you three years ago

[Datisi]

almost as if i publicly said that i support the titus wagon but wanna see if there's any counters and also because i didn't wanna quietly yeet titus without any other discussion... but go off i guess.

[Datisi]

I THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF SCUM PLAY THAT WOULDN'T BE LOGICAL FOR SOMEONE WHO IS AN

EXPERT SCUM PLAYER LIKE YOU

TO MAKE

T3/TITUS/MISTYX/DATISI/?

pick one.

[Datisi]

Datsi

this is not my name

[Datisi]

ya but i don't care about the pp wagon

[Datisi]

sorry, let me rephrase - i feel like the reasons people are voting pp are garbage, and therefore nothing good comes from that wagon

[Datisi]

hmm

if titus is scum, i don't see there being a scum-led wagon on you as titus is likely to flip at some point and make them look bad

if titus is town, i don't think they want to interrupt her wagon in order to get yours going

so, no, i don't think that says anything?

[Datisi]

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up,

but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting

)

snip from the post where i voted flow trap. i don't care about "a counterwagon" existing. i always wanted something that i can work with.

[Datisi]

are you intentionally ignoring what i'm saying?

[Datisi]

Yes because googling always has accurate information on the links it gives.

There’s no BS about flat earth on it at all. /sarcasm

...do you think there is someone out there posting lies and conspiracies about warrior cats?

[Datisi]

i deadass almost wrote "battle cats" instead of "warrior cats".

someone should make a battle cats mafia game, i would play that

[Datisi]

misty, i'd recommend you just not interact anymore because bear does not know limits or basic decency

[Datisi]

ok can i vote titus now

[Datisi]

am i cool

[Datisi]

I am so confused. What are you saying Bear?

post of the game. everyone go home.

[Datisi]

your god is dead

[Datisi]

goddammit cephrir that was the wrong thread

[Datisi]

[wolfy pop in]

[Datisi]

shhh misty don't bring facts into this

[Datisi]

me twon

[Datisi]

why is misty scum again

[Datisi]

why is misty scum again

[Datisi]

damn it datisi we crossposted our soft defenses

i did it first, get your own material

[Datisi]

hi i don't have time to read rn, did anything important happen in the last like 10 hours

[Datisi]

hi no offense but what was the scumteam smoking when they made that kill and can i have some

(i'm assuming that it's a scum shot and not like a weird interaction of vig shot + doctor save, pls let me make my dumb joke k thx)

[Datisi]

kittytacky received a warriors ceremony?

also, who is in that pt again?

[Datisi]

who did nero replace, i don't see it in the op

[Datisi]

i'm not scum and that's not my flavour. you have one post to retract that godwaful reaction test.

[Datisi]

ah k, thought you were claiming that was my flavour.

glad i finally have a good reason to blacklist you for this shit gamethrow.

pedit: lole?

[Datisi]

hey dat what are you thinking rn

i'm thinking bear is quite literally the shittiest town player i've ever seen, and i'm not intending to fight this very much because my flip will speak for myself

do y'all even want me to claim, or...?

[Datisi]

flavour is snowpaw. i turn into snowbird if i'm warrior'd

i'm a 1-shot "recharger" - once in the game, i can target a player, and return them one usage of their role, if applicable. i can only do this if i have had the ceremony

[Datisi]

hey dat what are you thinking rn

i'm thinking bear is quite literally the shittiest town player i've ever seen, and i'm not intending to fight this very much because my flip will speak for myself

do y'all even want me to claim, or...?

you don't think its even possible for him to be scum?

it's theoretically possible, sure. but he always eats shit after i flip here. i'm not sure why he would be sinking his slot like that. also i really think he's town on play.

of course, if he's scum, then joke's on me, but at least y'all will yeet him.

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

cool thanks for making me claim for nothing.

[Datisi]

me twon

[Datisi]

i am down to turn my brain off and vote mathblade if bear is planning on actually sticking with this claim

either it's right or i have a reason to vote bear out

win win

[Datisi]

i'm gonna check this game again in like 12 hours and if bear hasn'r rescinded, i'm voting math

if he has, i'm banging my head against my desk multiple times

[Datisi]

my current thoughts are that this guilty is real and math is trying to shit up the game thread to make it unreadable later

but joke's on him, i'm not rereading this game lole

[Datisi]

so you can cry "why do i defend titus if i'm scum!??!?!" when it was clear nobody cared and we were gonna kill her anyway

[Datisi]

well okay my reads sucked major ass huh lmao

btw, @leaders - since we have two claimed stronk investigatives, it might be worthwhile to give me a ceremony today and i can target one of them to give them an extra shot. idk if they would have time to use it before they got killed, and if you have any better targets in mind obviously go there, but just a suggestion.

[Datisi]

i am literally right here

[Datisi]

can the leaders tell us when they make their decision so that we can stop this day from dragging on? thx

[Datisi]

cool

i give y'all... one hour to complain if you don't want me to hammer, then i hammer

[Datisi]

excuse me for trying to be polite

[Datisi]

VOTE: fire

[Datisi]

oh fucking bless

bear, pls confirm you got the shit from me

[Datisi]

bear pls were you targeted by me

[Datisi]

my understanding is that they don't get another shot until the night after

which is why i was hoping bear would clarify

[Datisi]

Wait if Datisi knew that he'd have to wait a day and the protection is dead, why was he relieved that they chose correctly?
Because he thought people would give him a hard time if his target died?
Eh. Yeah, that seems about right it also forces the scum team to kill him this night phase, which is fine.

i mean i'm relieved that i targeted an investigative that's still alive rather than the one that died. because (1) they're still alive and they can potentially confirm i targeted them, (2) there is always a slim chance they don't actually die immediately and get their shot off.

Wait if Datisi knew that he'd have to wait a day and the protection is dead, why was he relieved that they chose correctly?
Because he thought people would give him a hard time if his target died?
Eh. Yeah, that seems about right it also forces the scum team to kill him this night phase, which is fine.

Eh, in terms of ploys from possible scum Datisi this isn't terribly subtle.

i've done wilder shit as scum, sure. but i'm hoping the fact that my role being confirmed (which is an extremely weird role for scum to have) + my interactions with t3 and alisae would be enough for people to sort me correctly.

not sure where the bear has disappeared, though. even if this is a reaction test, it's completely counterproductive; i sure as hell don't feel like actually doing anything until it's resolved.

[Datisi]

i used it on the cop, bell

the amount of good faith i get from it wouldn't be enough as scum when i used it on the cop

[Datisi]

i didn't know we've already massclaimed and it's public knowledge there's no protectives left

especially after the strongman is dead

[Datisi]

i think boy next door might be scum

[Datisi]

There's also the fact that Datisi hasn't posted about the guilty. Which is slightly odd.

i'm just waiting to see if bear is gonna 100% commit to the guilty so that i can vote him out if we vote you out and you flip green. i don't want "i was actually doing a 5d chess reaction test" claim tomorrow. i have nothing else to say.

[Datisi]

either we get a scumflip in the next two flips, or i can blame the misflips on gamethrowing. not much flexibility needed here right now.

[Datisi]

i've been scumread for utter nonsense this whole game, i can stand a bit more

[Datisi]

k

[Datisi]

i have a guilty on datisi

[Datisi]

k

[Datisi]

k

do you want me to like do anything or are you done sorting and just want me dead

a few people in this game have had a scumread on me for ??? reasons for like 3 years now and i don't feel like talking in the wind if nobody is gonna bother to read it

[Datisi]

i wasn't gonna do shit tho

was gonna wait to see if furtive was gonna do shit

then i was potentially gonna vote there, and also ask dann about something he said in the hood a bit ago that might be relevant to their alignment

i sure hope that beetlejuice comment wasn't serious you're better than that

[Datisi]

i have been skimming the game periodically. i was half reading your posts. my current thought is that the reasoning for furtive/me having scum is not actually bad, you just have the wrong half of the pair.

i also did have a "huh, s_s making reads? is he scum lol?" thought but idk what to do with it

[Datisi]

do you have an example of a town game where you do stuff like this? i can't remember one

[Datisi]

i also did have a "huh, s_s making reads? is he scum lol?" thought but idk what to do with it

have we not been over this, like, the entire game?

what's your experience with fire-scum? (I know you saw them in Cafe, not sure how closely you read it though.) Do you think my theory about fire pushing wagons to protect partners is consistent with how they play?

yes i know but it's still jarring to see idk

i have played with fire scum briefly in invictus (got lolvigged n1) but that game was ongoing during the champs qualifiers and my end-of-year exams so i was not very closely reading it.

i think your theory holds water, unrelated to meta. because mastina was extremely loud, and if she was extremely loud and *right*, then you gotta get her out of the game. nightkilling her is problematic because it makes people think "hey, scum had a reason to kill mastina". no such info if she hangs.

[Datisi]

i think i asked a long time ago about how datisi has been using the neighborhood, and i don't think i ever got an answer

spamming the everliving shit out of it at first, kinda fell off in the recent time as catboi repped out and also the game got boring with all the guilties

[Datisi]

ah yes, because scum will totally gambit on you having no more shots (with or without my refreshment) and keep you, the only claimed investigative, alive and kill off some random target. and you confirming whether or not you've received my shot will totally have an influence on their part. yes, very good. excellent town play.

[Datisi]

town? wanting towncred? fucking impossible, only scum wants towncred, town never gives a shit about others' reads on them absolutely ever

[Datisi]

a.) i'm approaching this from you are scum already

i know you are lmfao

i'm not eliminating shit, scum isn't stupid and know that bear might not be out of shots (he did not claim whether he's gated, if he even is) and cannot risk him getting another cop check off. if there is a protective, they are always going to be glued to him, no matter if he confirms or not. he is always going to be the number one priority kill, no matter if he confirms or not.

like you can argue that there is some shift in probability in theory and you would maybe be technically right. but i think in practice it doesn't actually make a difference

[Datisi]

VOTE: boy next door?

[Datisi]

weren't you posturing to vote me, where did that go

[Datisi]

can someone consolidate the arguments for when who of kitty/bear claimed what in which pt? or just the events.

pedit: good choice tbh

[Datisi]

bear: shitpushing me for nonsense reasons literally the entire game, unwilling to re-evaluate at all or listen to what i'm saying
also bear: wHy Do yOu sOuNd DeFeatEd

my brother in christ, you made me not give a single fuck about this game

[Datisi]

after i flip green, are you gonna admit you're shit at this game, or are you just gonna find excuses for why it was my fault that you lockscummed me on d1?

[Datisi]

mostly don't want to be wrong on datisi

we went from here to there, sure

[Datisi]

lole

[Datisi]

after i die, someone please keep requoting 4840 until bear responds to it, thanks

[Datisi]

like what

[Datisi]

after i die, someone please keep requoting 4840 until bear responds to it, thanks

I get being frustrated with BEAR because yeah

but I don't get posts like this

can't you take this up with him post game

you think BEAR is town right? what is the point

this feels optically driven

can you help me understand emotionally

there is nothing to get. i think bear is insufferable with the enormous gap between his skills and his ego. i want him to know that and to be reminded of that as soon as i flip. i don't want to talk to him post game.

i think he is town, yes. i also think he's ridiculous for going *surprise pikachu face* at me being defeated after being shitpushed for the *entire game* by him and for also being ridiculed in the process. yes i know he's doing it under the idea that i'm scum, no it doesn't change the fact how frustrating it is.

i don't care if it looks optically driven. i've tried to re-engage by asking what the exact arguments for leaks are, i get ignored. bear claims i'm "doing things i also do in my scumgames", i ask which ones, i get ignored. cool. i'm past the point of caring about the game. bear is deadset on thus bullshit, and i assume scum isn't gonna be having too hard of a time making up some sorta reason to follow him. i'm going to die. i don't see a point in putting out a last will or whatever because nobody is gonna listen to it and (in 99% of cases) i don't like being deadsheeped anyway.

what do you not get? do you think i'm not frustrated? or do you think i'm not an asshole who's gonna say what i think?

[Datisi]

“I wonder if they’re just sentimentalizing their emotions cause they got nothin’”

is this my cue to say "scum-me wouldn't have nothing in this situation"?

[Datisi]

gg scum, thank you for modding ydra!