House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[VP Baltar]

Lol we're not voting FB here

This may be distancing btw.

Math wanted FB dead. Johnny was a known push today if there are any scum in the supporters thread.

one potential reason for scum to kill on council is that more power roles could eventually go to any scum who are on the council.

[VP Baltar]

The plothole is, what incentive does Shea have to comply?

I think Shea can understand this is the best longterm plan for a town win.

if you see a problem with that Shea, let us know. I think you'd have to confirm when you appoint a new heir though.

pedit -- how the fuck is it game throwing? It's exploiting the mechanics for greater town power.

[VP Baltar]

Me causing myself, the only player I know for sure to be town, to be eliminated, is game throwing.

no it's not. Sometimes, getting eliminated as town is the right play to win.

If you're playing magic, you never sacrifice a card to win a match? Like, this is not galaxy brain play here.

[VP Baltar]

can we not have an argument for pages about correct way to play the game for maximum town benefit or what is best play.
Its literally pointless and doesn't help solving.

An expected position from the person who wasted PR actions for ????

[VP Baltar]

Like it’s not a ridiculous argument.

Maybe, but I also just as a policy don't speculate about reasons behind replace outs. It means absolutely nothing to me because it's never more than speculation.

I only look at play in the game. Johnny cannot live until endgame. Neither can Shea or FB as far as I'm concerned.

[VP Baltar]

i don't think ur really looking at peoples mindset tho and i think thats not good for actually playing the game.

yeah, I'm terrible at this game except for all my reads being correct so far.

[VP Baltar]

explain your titus scum read while you're here.

[VP Baltar]

TSQ - you know strategically we do need to replace the council at some point, right? I don't love having to lim you either, but from my perspective we are going to run into issues with the power roles and dealing with FB before we catch all the scum.

I'm open to other ideas, but my proposal is the most efficient and gives town the most runway to solve the game.

[VP Baltar]

Posting Math's reads since he gave them before he died. He believed Shea is scum, as well as firebringer, and talked openly about that in the Supporters PT last night. His preferred worldview was:

Scum: Shea, FB, Johnny, Drapion

Many of us argued Shea was town though, so he gave a list in a Shea town world (though he didn't agree with this view):

Scum: Johnny, Dann, Owen, LLD ... outside chances on Drapion and Enchant.

[VP Baltar]

Lol trial by combat alright. Let's make two scummy fucks fight to the death

[VP Baltar]

Lol trial by combat alright. Let's make two scummy fucks fight to the death

This doesn't work because mafia won't challenge mafia. Only a scumread town would do this and it doesn't sound look a good idea

Majority decides on two players. Refusal means you get eliminated.

Johnny vs ???

[VP Baltar]

Lol trial by combat alright. Let's make two scummy fucks fight to the death

This doesn't work because mafia won't challenge mafia. Only a scumread town would do this and it doesn't sound look a good idea

Majority decides on two players. Refusal means you get eliminated.

Johnny vs ???

This sounds less efficient/just the same as voting out both of said players 2 days in a row.

This sounds more fun.

[VP Baltar]

lol see that was fun.

[VP Baltar]

Roden should challenge Johnny

[VP Baltar]

Roden should challenge Johnny

Would you mad if I issue a challenge and die? Haha I really want to do it.

I need you to keep the kingsguard unfortunately. I'd go before you.

[VP Baltar]

Bruh, stop arguing with townGL and start fighting some scum in the death pit.

[VP Baltar]

Hmm, for fun.

Challenge: VP Balter

challenge accepted

[VP Baltar]

Prepare to die clown face

[VP Baltar]

I can also challenge if you want

Up to you, choose someone spicy!

THEATER

[VP Baltar]

imagine vpb dies. I will laugh.

I'm undefeated. Bout to crush this fool's skull like the Mountain

[VP Baltar]

My spicy scumread is Andante because of the Dwlee town case they made in the disenter QT

Is that spicy?

[VP Baltar]

She was the only one actively CASING Dwlee.

lol alright. Keep leaning into the absurd. It's going very well

[VP Baltar]

Roden, if GL is scum, why are you not voting him? Also, who else is scum? Why are you convinced Johnny is town?

[VP Baltar]

I had 0 presence on day 2 and prod dodged my way through the whole fucking day. Ascribing any intent to me yesterday is fucking impossible.

You don't think it's scummy to prod dodge through a day that was 80% likely to end in a scum yeet and then brag about how you have no associatives?

[VP Baltar]

What does voting GL right now do? There's no pressure from it, no one seems go he agreeing with here or in the PT but no one's really trying to stop me either. I'm more interested in discerning GL's alignment than trying to flip him outright, the same reason I wasn't voting him yesterday.

This doesn't make much sense. You're not voting because you don't think you can get support...but you also are "discerning" his alignment still? So do you think he's scum or not?

Do you only vote people when it's popular or when you're 100% convinced? Is that your meta?

[VP Baltar]

Bro I’m so confident a wolf is voting Johnny that it’s not funny.
OWN, VP Balter and GL all have wolf equity and I don’t see them all being town.
Can 2 be town? Maybe.
But not all 3
Out of post wise I actually dislike Balter’s posts the most, I haven’t liked him and his treatment towards Mafia during day 1 and even Junko.

And look at the dead town that he did that too, WOWE.

I see you want to be made a clown again. Remember yesterday when you said literally the same bullshit about dwlee? Go ahead and put your vote on Johnny to prove me wrong again.

[VP Baltar]

What does voting GL right now do? There's no pressure from it, no one seems go he agreeing with here or in the PT but no one's really trying to stop me either. I'm more interested in discerning GL's alignment than trying to flip him outright, the same reason I wasn't voting him yesterday.

This doesn't make much sense. You're not voting because you don't think you can get support...but you also are "discerning" his alignment still? So do you think he's scum or not?

Do you only vote people when it's popular or when you're 100% convinced? Is that your meta?

If I only voted people when it was popular, I wouldn't have voted Titus yesterday.

I don't like doing vanity votes, but yes I'll vote if I'm 100% convinced. I'm not 100% convinced on GL yet, if I was there wouldn't be any point in me engaging with him because I'm not gonna convince him that he's scum. I'm engaging (or arguing if you want to give a less charitable take) with him to gauge his tone and how he reacts, I want to see if he can convince me that I'm wrong and how he goes about doing it.

why should i town read you off of PYP, roden?

Not even just PYP since there are other recent town games. but that one is fresh enough that you should have a general idea of my town play. What do you think I'm doing differently that's out of my town range?

Ok, I think you've had a pretty extensive back and forth here. Let's hear some conclusions about GL's alignment. Because frankly, I find this quibbling boring and not actually going anywhere.

I would like to see you vote someone.

[VP Baltar]

Don’t you think Dwlee being town makes GL and VP more likely wolves or are you too far in their pockets to comprehend?

Remember when you said this to Dats? Funny how regardless of dwlee's flip, your views haven't actually adjusted at all. Almost like they are fake.

[VP Baltar]

I wolf read Johnny and Roden.

Then why dafuq you saying there is a wolf on Johnny's wagon?

[VP Baltar]

Like, I really need the actual townies in this ball of snakes to start playing better. It is very hard to sort when so many people are scumsiding

[VP Baltar]

Shea, if we lim Johnny, do you appoint a new heir before the night?

[VP Baltar]

Like, I really need the actual townies in this ball of snakes to start playing better. It is very hard to sort when so many people are scumsiding

Who's scumsiding?

Shea on D1, drapion, mastina, andante, you to some degree with this GL stuff, LLD, etc

There aren't that many scum in the game, so I'm not sure exactly what's up with the townies in that mix.

[VP Baltar]

Basically, if you come out of D1, and your top scum candidates include me, GL, datisi or andres, you're just not even trying at this point, imo

[VP Baltar]

*D2

[VP Baltar]

I think it's healthy for the game state to suspect people who are at the core of this game and 1) not receiving any real pressure, 2) have some questionable reads, and 3) are not getting targeted by the NK.

1) GL was legit targeted yesterday. 2) which questionable reads are those? 3) who are you referring to?

[VP Baltar]

I have theory about what mafia doing.

They kill useless townie councils (tracker) to notdirectly harm powerful PRs in future, without risking wasting attack on real Cop (unless he is scum). Afterwards when they manage to kill Cop, there will be no one to replace him.

There was also risk of doc protect the first two nights if we are assuming town FB...which seems a stretch, but still.

[VP Baltar]

The roden!scum case is compelling.

I did enjoy how awkward roden and Johnny kept acting after I suggested they challenge each other. And now Johnny has disappeared from the game again.

[VP Baltar]

I think Mastina is upset because her internet is out again. She's getting some bad winter storms right now.

But don't miss a chance to take a dumb dig, drapion.

[VP Baltar]

Kingsguard is definitely not all town and can contain more than 1 wolf.

What is this based on?

[VP Baltar]

He might not THINK he has to respond to the player but he DOES.

And please acknowledge what I said about GL

I don't waste time responding to things that are self evidently wrong with even minimal effort.

Here is the proces:
-click vote count drapion cites
-open pooky iso
-look at vote count immediately after count drapion cites
-see GL voted dwlee again
-close mafiascum dot net
-shut laptop
-sigh heavily


You want me to explain to you that you're not even remotely looking at context while making your bad faith reads? I don't think I need to do that because it is extremely self evident to anyone who takes 4 seconds to look at what you're saying.

[VP Baltar]

Bro it doesn’t matter.
It was the fact GL DID move twice and the last move was to die it up.


I’m sorry buckaroo but if my teammate wasn’t savable I would vote back to at the end:

My point still stands.

It was moved off dwlee for about 12 hours. If you are actually trying to find the scum motive here, what is it?

You were trying to counter wagon dwlee harder by shit talking me during that same window than GL was elsewhere.

GL voted back on dwlee once Shea started threatening to execute a townie. Again, what's the scum motivation here.

Don't bother reading other games for meta because you're already struggling with basic facts in this one, homie.

[VP Baltar]

mod, I will be VLA Sat-Mon

[VP Baltar]

Did andante do another datisi flip after saying she wouldn’t do that anymore

huh?

[VP Baltar]

ok, so what does that mean?

[VP Baltar]

It’s annoying
That’s it

I don't understand why you're bringing it up unless you think andante is scummy.

Why don’t we work through an example, because I’m not understanding your point @Enchant.

The current Council is this:
King: TSQ (as they make selections, I presume they cannot be picked for a PR, but I don’t remember reading that anywhere, though I would also think that logically that makes sense)
Prince: Johnny
Hand: Datisi
LORD COMMANDER: Andrés
Master of Coin: Firebringer
Master of Laws: Andante
Master of Whisperers / Grand Maester: [Empty]

Scenario 1: You allocate Grand Maester to say me (since you do not want to allocate Cop + Doctor to the same person), you do not allocate Master of Whisperers. I get shot holding two PRs including Doctor (since I cannot protect myself), but force the Scum to not shoot Datisi as the Hand (since we care that they get a result again tomorrow). Okay, then Lord of the Kingsguard is up for grabs, and so is Master of Whisperers + Grand Maester. You’re left with 4 other players on the Council (outside the King), and 3 roles to distribute which can all be handed out since no one is holding two PRs then.

Scenario 2: You allocate Grand Maester (to me again), but you allocate Master of Whisperers to Datisi as the Hand. Okay, I get shot. So Lord Commander + Grand Maester up for grabs, and one player (Datisi) holds two PRs. You now have 2 roles to distribute, and everyone in the Council but Datisi can get an additional PR (3 players). How is this not strictly better than the situation above?

Note, this is NOT me advocating to get Grand Maester. If anything, I don’t want it because it’ll get me NK’ed, but I’ll accept it if strictly necessary. But I don’t see how you don’t end up in a better place if you distribute the two PRs that remain instead of just one.

I do think Shea should check if he can grant powers to himself. That does seem to change planning potentially. Overall though, I think your argument reads correct to me.

[VP Baltar]

Can anyone make a Johnny town case that isn't entirely reliant on "Rhaenyra posted a lot of nonsense quickly"?

That's utterly unconvincing to me and there is almost certainly scum benefit to burning post counts quickly. Some people have mentioned Rhae's posting about dwlee in the nonsupporters thread, but can someone other than Mastina look at that and give some actual analysis?

What is the evidence that outweighs unwnd's partnery looking interactions with dwlee and johnny's general anti-spew play all game?

[VP Baltar]

do yall seriously think johnny says that about his partner?

lol yes, absolutely.

Andante scum spewing.

[VP Baltar]

What town case of Unowen exists that ive been apparently ignoring. Did Dats make one?
WHo is townreading Unowen.

I wouldn't say I town read owen. I will say though, I was surprised last night in the kingsguard how hard he advocated for overthrowing the monarchy. I definitely feel like owen and johnny do not know each others' alignments because of that. I think if Johnny flipped green, I'd be more open to an owen yeet. However, if Johnny flips red, I'd probably consider owen fairly likely town.

[VP Baltar]

rhae does not look aligned with dwlee in the non-supporters pt

can i hear some more specifics on this? feel like a few people said that and it would be helpful to have an explanation.

[VP Baltar]

dwlee shows up with their first post in the pt calling out rhae for being melodramatic and stuff, she immediately jumps on them and says that they're also out to get her and ruin her fun. dwlee then kinda backs off like whoa ive barely even talked to you don't include me in that, and she says she will anyway

reading closer, the one part that feels like it could be theatre actually is where rhae says something like, give me reasons why you're ruining my fun or ill lim you, ive already telepathically convinced people in thread to vote you (i think dwlee had a bunch of votes already at this point)

im less convinced now actually, those two posts are pretty over the top. its just hard to judge bc she seems like she's always over the top so

oh you answered.

This sounds like community theater to me.

[VP Baltar]

don't really want to lim unowen or johnny or roden who all seem like possibly candidates rn

would probably like to lim in furtive, titus, LLD,

datisi

, dann

u mad, mate?

[VP Baltar]

he's kinda scummy

do you disagree

Yes. Hard disagree. What's scummy exactly?

[VP Baltar]

Andante also made a Town Case on Dwlee during early stages of the game before Dwlee’s execution day.

So do you think everyone who didn't want dwlee yeeted is town? I don't understand your thought process at all this game.

[VP Baltar]

Andante also made a Town Case on Dwlee during early stages of the game before Dwlee’s execution day.

So do you think everyone who didn't want dwlee yeeted is town? I don't understand your thought process at all this game.

What are you asking exactly mate?

Bruh, it ain’t even mathematically probable for all the Dwlee voters to be town.
If that’s what your suggesting.

Nice change of subject.

You said because andante towncased dwlee early, her slot is towny...which doesn't make any fucking sense. I'm asking you how that makes sense to you, because it doesn't make any to me.

[VP Baltar]

What makes u think johnny flipping red makes unowen town i feel like everything u say here indicates otherwise or is it like "too obvious partners" thing.

This is like not making any sense to me.

I'm saying if Johnny is red, I don't see any good reason a scum!Owen would come into the kingsguard right off a dwlee yeet and be hard pushing to overthrow the monarchy, which would lim Johnny immediately.


In a related note: where's Johnny yall?

[VP Baltar]

What makes u think johnny flipping red makes unowen town i feel like everything u say here indicates otherwise or is it like "too obvious partners" thing.

This is like not making any sense to me.

I'm saying if Johnny is red, I don't see any good reason a scum!Owen would come into the kingsguard right off a dwlee yeet and be hard pushing to overthrow the monarchy, which would lim Johnny immediately.


In a related note: where's Johnny yall?

But in order to kill prince don't u need 100% of the vote....why would Scum!unowen think he would have that?

Yes you would. So let's say he lies and votes to protect secretly.

Shea dies and kingsguard knows immediately that fuckery was afoot to make Johnny king. What's the actual play you're seeing here? The Owen would have just made himself a 1 in 5 or 6 confirmed scum, and probably is going to be highest suspect. Johnny does become king, but might get limmed immediately the next day.

Maybe there is an angle I'm not seeing, but I'm not sure that play would be anything but a game thrower if those two were both scum.

[VP Baltar]

And if you agree they are unlikely to be scum together, I think it looks more likely that Johnny is aligned with dwlee than Owen.

[VP Baltar]

Owen would have clearly been who I suspected. Like without a doubt. That play would be so transparently stupid.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, I'll think about it and do some rereading of Owen. I can't really say I'm opposed to that yeet. I do prefer Johnny because I don't find the town Rhae arguments very convincing, but I'm willing to compromise if that's town preference

[VP Baltar]

The way I play town is push what I think is correct, but I try not to be unwilling to compromise. I still think I'm right, and you can see where my vote is...but I'm just being honest with you about where my Owen feelings are. It wouldn't shock me if Owen was scum and my read is wrong there.

I think you've seen plenty of me this game when I feel strongly about a position and advocate for it. Blind stubbornness isn't useful though.

[VP Baltar]

or even truly want a cohesion in the town. It just seems like ur avoiding the spot light or responsibility for these decisions.

This is the part you're flat wrong about though. Almost everything I do is for town cohesion, including looking for acceptable compromises.

As far as responsibility, I would say I made a hard bet on GL town and dwlee scum this game that was correct and paid off. Had that gone the other way, it's silly to say I wouldn't have had to be responsible for those consequences.

[VP Baltar]

Where is Roden?

[VP Baltar]

fire is yelling at me in the council pt that you're townie, so - i am willing to drop this argument for now because it's obviously not going anywhere.

Why does fire's read outweigh yours?

Also, why is fire doing this out of public view?

[VP Baltar]

*reads last few pages*
*sees references to "fire"*
*realizes not talking about me*
*gets annoyed this is happening in ANOTHER GAME*

Why do i even bother asking people not to do this.

I thought datisi was talking about you. That's not the case?

[VP Baltar]

baltar why do you think johnny is scum

I feel like I've explained this before, haven't I?

I think Rhae was being anti town and fake burning through her posts. I think unwnd's play around dwlee looks associated, and I think johnny hasn't made coherent points all game and goes afk as soon as anyone tries to interact with him seriously.

As I said before, I believe the onus at this point would have been on people making a town case, rather than a scum case. What I've seen so far from people making town points to Johnny us unconvincing to say the least.

[VP Baltar]

ive never yelled in my life

Maybe you're overdue

[VP Baltar]

I'm fine with GL or myself

[VP Baltar]

Stupid datisi being asleep like a weakling.

[VP Baltar]

it's between VPB/GL/Titus/Dann

Jesus fucking Christ no wonder the scum killed Andres that is literally 2-4 scum and deadass could be the entirety of the scumteam.

Who do you want to lim today, and why do you think GL says he'd lim Titus and Dann, who you allege are his buddies maybe?

[VP Baltar]

I am about to audit that bear.

Get his ass

[VP Baltar]

Anyways r u going to sheep me today or what

We killing unowen?

[VP Baltar]

Who do you want to kill Roden?

[VP Baltar]

VPB im assuming u are now on the Unowen scum train

Yeah, I can definitely buy that. I think like unowen, drapion, Titus, Dann need to go.

[VP Baltar]

Is there a mech reason we can't assign Datisi's Cop check as Kingsguard if he ends up getting a green check?

Has to be from people in kingsguard last night

[VP Baltar]

I think we sheep firebringer today and lim unowen. I feel pretty decent about fire being town here, and trying his direction after the mislim yesterday makes sense.

Also, datisi, can you tell me who you planned to investigate last night before Titus came up and why?

You mind also linking me the most recent games you played where you had an investigative role?

VOTE: unowen

[VP Baltar]

Also, datisi, can you tell me who you planned to investigate last night before Titus came up and why?

You mind also linking me the most recent games you played where you had an investigative role?

i didn't. if i had ended up having zero time for the game on n3, i probably would've aimed somewhere in roden/unowen. maybe dann/lld if i ended up deciding not to do my scumpool and instead try to aim at a lolnull slot instead.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=90062

i was palmer in the anon game

Thanks, I'll read over these after I get some work done this morning.

Furtive, what are you basing your assertion that I would never sheep on?

[VP Baltar]

Can someone explain how this isn't follow the cop?

It does appear that way, and I'll say I find that concerning. Why does pooky make this really intricate setup themed around hidden conversations, only to make it follow the cop? That just strikes me as very weird.

[VP Baltar]

Also, datisi, can you tell me who you planned to investigate last night before Titus came up and why?

You mind also linking me the most recent games you played where you had an investigative role?

i didn't. if i had ended up having zero time for the game on n3, i probably would've aimed somewhere in roden/unowen. maybe dann/lld if i ended up deciding not to do my scumpool and instead try to aim at a lolnull slot instead.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=90062

i was palmer in the anon game

Thanks, I'll read over these after I get some work done this morning.

WHY YES I'M RAGING THAT YOU HAVE THE WORD COP IN YOUR SIG AND THAT MAKES FINDING YOUR RESULTS FROM THIS GAME FUCKING RIDICULOUS

[VP Baltar]

you don't need to remove cop. I've found the night actions despite no post game cleanup from the mods.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, so here is my actual concern and maybe i'm fucking crazy, but I don't care.

Datisi is traditionally extremely good at playing cop in my experience. In both those games linked, Datisi got guilties immediately on scum. Hell, first time I came back to the site, Datisi guiltied me without knowing my meta at all. So I'm just sitting here like, wtf is going on this game? That's not evidence alone, but it has me tweaked for sure because I was sort of expecting town!datisi to have proven himself by the second shot.

Datisi has also seemed very placating this game. He isn't really mixing it up with anyone (except dwlee) in a way that feels like Datisi when he wants someone dead. There's no paranoia about me being expressed, and I felt like the town read on me was abnormally easy. I've kind of set this aside because I was willing to trust in my datisi town read, but the results have me very concerned this was a ploy to keep me placated. I think scum!tisi knows I'm more willing to give him some leeway when I'm town.

I'm also bugged by the fact that both of Datisi's cop results are leading to people heading directly into council slots. Now, this makes a certain amount of sense if you trust Datisi, but it did occur to me this morning that the whole "kill Johnny and use that as a way to appoint Mastina prince" plan originated with Datisi. I felt like that was a very weird thought to just randomly have, especially when Datisi has been a little disengaged at times this game. Still, it felt like it could be real yesterday. Now, we have Andres dying (which feels like a weird scum shot to me despite him being widely townread), and the result just happens to be on Titus so she is the obvious choice to be Kingsguard Commander? That's a major fucking coincidence I do not like at all.

Titus is playing weird all game saying she wants chaos, and in the Kingsguard thread made a strange post about maybe not wanting to be commander, then when I questioned her on it, she immediately self votes.

I also started thinking about why the fuck the tracker keeps dying (seems worthwhile if you're hiding scum actions on council) and why Pooky would make a game that just results in follow the cop if town makes semi-reasonable choices on D1. There is just a lot of fuckey shit that's happening and I'm tinfoiling out of my brain that this is all a big risky scum play to sway or change council control.

[VP Baltar]

Someone tell me I'm insane and have me committed.

[VP Baltar]

Like of course that entire plan would crumble if Datisi ever flipped, but you'd have to be a paranoid maniac to flip the cop.

[VP Baltar]

Next step is probably to review Datisi's dynamics with Mastina and Titus, as well as those two's dynamics with dwlee and each other.

[VP Baltar]

then they killed Andres instead of the new doc Mastina.

Exactly. why leave a supposedly CONFIRMED town alive for endgame?

Also, scum don't have any kind of strongman ability this game and are just going to each shit from cop clears until the game is over?

I know I'm paranoid, but the facts are wigging me out that this feels way too easy. I'm not saying we lim from that pool of people today because I'm probably just paranoid, but I really do not want Titus leading the Kingsguard I think. I don't care if it's GL or me, but I think blindly following these results is maybe too risky for me.

[VP Baltar]

Datisi do you have games where you kept missing cop shots and lived past Day 2? I don't think these are madman rambles entirely.

[VP Baltar]

but who is scum hardbussing in that world? Datisi? and even if you're going for a hard bus, the dream is to get another miselim first so that the hardbussers can continue to further hard bus and then play the "y'all should have listened to me when you wasted a lim on GL" card

datisi seems like the most likely hardbusser in any world to me, yea

Datisi is 100% not afraid to hardbus.


Fire, am I being crazy here? Shea, please weigh in. I need opinions to talk me down if I am.

[VP Baltar]

i was gonna say that that is so highly specific i don't, but somehow i actually do

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84074

missed first two cop shots, scum kept me alive despite me burying one of their own

A game for every situation lol

Ok, lemme read peep at this in a bit.

[VP Baltar]

i don't see how it's convenient. i don't think we're going to lim datisi today even if there's some concern

Right. I don't think we should lim datisi today. I just don't think betting entirely on Datisi being town and appointing more council members based on that is a good idea. I think we need some insurance against that world, and that means not appointing Titus.

I am fine if it's not me since I'm the one who raised this concern and that looks self serving. I am currently voting myself in the kingsguard thread, but will change to GL if that's what the majority wants.

[VP Baltar]

i would have zero (0) issues with baltar being appointed as the lord commander :>

You mind gaming mother...

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:

[VP Baltar]

I still don't get the titus cop check when you were townreading titus based on her play around dwlee, Datisi. Like, your iso is filled with calling Titus town (and Roden scummy for attacking Titus) pretty much right up until end of day. That one statement from Titus in the Kingsguard really changed your perspective that much last night?

Sidenote: I'm looking for where it was that you suggested to Shea to check if he could appoint doc before night actions last night.

[VP Baltar]

you have access to the pt, you can read my thought process. i think "that one statement really changed your mind that much" is an oversimplification, to say the least

I read it. Yes, I'm simplifying because I can't quote the PT here. It wasn't some giant case though and you were pretty confidently townreading Titus before that point, correct?

[VP Baltar]

Enchant, who is your scum list again?

[VP Baltar]

I don't want to lim firebringer

[VP Baltar]

The whole argument seems to hinge on him not taking the challenge.

[VP Baltar]

Challenge Unowen

[VP Baltar]

i would love if we didn't have baltar entering duels imho

I'm here for blood baby.

Plus if I kill Owen and he flips red, we know FB is confirmed town.

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i would love if we didn't have baltar entering duels imho

on one hand same

on the other hand his previous duel flavour was really funny

We need to give pooky some material. Pitch away.

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challenge: drapion

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I can only fight one person at a time sweetie.

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Nah I'll just respond to your challenge by shooting you.

Lol

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Spoiler:

Ok, so here is my actual concern and maybe i'm fucking crazy, but I don't care.

Datisi is traditionally extremely good at playing cop in my experience. In both those games linked, Datisi got guilties immediately on scum. Hell, first time I came back to the site, Datisi guiltied me without knowing my meta at all. So I'm just sitting here like, wtf is going on this game? That's not evidence alone, but it has me tweaked for sure because I was sort of expecting town!datisi to have proven himself by the second shot.

Datisi has also seemed very placating this game. He isn't really mixing it up with anyone (except dwlee) in a way that feels like Datisi when he wants someone dead. There's no paranoia about me being expressed, and I felt like the town read on me was abnormally easy. I've kind of set this aside because I was willing to trust in my datisi town read, but the results have me very concerned this was a ploy to keep me placated. I think scum!tisi knows I'm more willing to give him some leeway when I'm town.

I'm also bugged by the fact that both of Datisi's cop results are leading to people heading directly into council slots. Now, this makes a certain amount of sense if you trust Datisi, but it did occur to me this morning that the whole "kill Johnny and use that as a way to appoint Mastina prince" plan originated with Datisi. I felt like that was a very weird thought to just randomly have, especially when Datisi has been a little disengaged at times this game. Still, it felt like it could be real yesterday. Now, we have Andres dying (which feels like a weird scum shot to me despite him being widely townread), and the result just happens to be on Titus so she is the obvious choice to be Kingsguard Commander? That's a major fucking coincidence I do not like at all.

Titus is playing weird all game saying she wants chaos, and in the Kingsguard thread made a strange post about maybe not wanting to be commander, then when I questioned her on it, she immediately self votes.

I also started thinking about why the fuck the tracker keeps dying (seems worthwhile if you're hiding scum actions on council) and why Pooky would make a game that just results in follow the cop if town makes semi-reasonable choices on D1. There is just a lot of fuckey shit that's happening and I'm tinfoiling out of my brain that this is all a big risky scum play to sway or change council control.

Someone tell me I'm insane and have me committed.

Like of course that entire plan would crumble if Datisi ever flipped, but you'd have to be a paranoid maniac to flip the cop.

Hi.

I would take thoughts beyond that.

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What?

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Yeah I knew you'd just say "what?"

What are your thoughts on Johnny not bothering to defend himself or engage with anyone? Why do you think he didn't try to challenge me in the death pit when he was pressured to do so?

This is the dumbest line if questioning. I don't care what Johnny's thoughts were.

He wasn't even playing the game as far as I'm concerned and I'd yeet him again 10/10 times. If you sign up to play a game, the least you can do is make even a moderate effort. If you have less posts in the game than there are vote counts, you deserved to get limmed.

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I literally have no clue why Johnny played like that. That'd my answer. What have you learned from these questions

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Smh.

WWJD

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I want to understand your perspective on what's happening, and I want you to understand mine. I'd like for you to at least guess at Johnny's motives.

I am not getting worked up, I just literally don't know what the answer is or what this tells you.

I am guessing Johnny was behind and was too lazy to catch up and engage in the game. I am basing this thought on absolutely nothing because I am not a mind reader.

As far as my thoughts, I posted who my main scum suspects are, as well as my own theory on what could be happening if I'm very wrong.

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The best ending to the game.

MAD KING MAD KING

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Good shit GL! The fellowship of the ring triumphed over evil.

Well played scum, even though you called me crazy for laying out your plan.

Really fun game. Major props to pooky flavor and game design here was really great.

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Nice job late game LLD. I wish you could have felt more engaged early on, but great job getting datisi when you did

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made some killer gains in the stonks

Diamond hands firebringer

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These PTs are a delight to read

Can't believe Firebringer fell for the classic wizard scam smh

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Read the council thread and I'm not sure who scammed Firebringer more, the wizard or Datisi.

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Pooky gib scum PTs.

And kingsguard I suppose

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Wizard is crypto bro