Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

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Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Vote: CooLDoG

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I can't remember any of my previous reads from the last game. I can't catch 30 pages up. I wish I'd paid attention when the game started. I'm going to read from here and assume Pere is town.

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Lol at whoever called me scum for voting without reading the game. You want me to read 30 pages? Go do something heinously vulgar to yourself.

CooLDoG's response to my vote does not incline me to unvote him.

VOTE: Norman

You crossed into the territory of deliberately unhelpful and thoroughly anti-town. Gah! I hate blasted policy lynches!

On the other hand, THIS is pure scum gold and confirms Norman as town.

"Oh how I hate policy lynches" = "Don't hate on me for voting Norman" = "I know Norman will flip town" = "I am scum"

Vote: Lord Mhork

This is the alternative wagon that you have all been waiting for.

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Mhork, I've explicitly said I'm not reading the past 30 pages. I don't care if your mislynch case lives in there. It's not happening on my watch. Diescumdie.

whoops. i meant

LMFAO

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@greenknight, why are voting alliances scummy? PereV is town from way back and because he's one of the only people to see that NOT POSTING SINCE THE GAME STARTED = not actually ever looking at the thread, not "lolscum" and why would scumPere do that when he could fan the flames? I'm an easy mislynch and no mistake, so scum are guaranteed to have called me scum at some point. I can't remember who else I had a town read on. But if I ever had one on you, I don't any more. What's the purpose of your line to MoS other than to try to cover up your piss poor attack on Pine and myself?

@MoI: why, when we already have obvScum in Mhork? Is the stuff to comment on in the last few pages then? I've not read them yet either heh...soon

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@Tammy

No, I am not thinking it would get heat off of me. Everyone can go right ahead and lynch me. It will be easier to narrow down the scum because town will have more information to go off.

And yea. I'm a noob but I hate it when people can pick up on that lol. I like to contribute.

Oh MoI, you mean this?

Yeah it can die. Especially with the "I'm gonna get lynched but I don't wanna post but here are some outta the ass townreads" post.
But not today. He'll only be a goon.

ISO'ing the last few posts did show me Pine claiming for no reason, though?

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*scumreads

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Green, I never said I'm not reading the thread closely, I said I'm not reading the 30 pages I missed out on. So suck it.

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Hey MoI, why ask for my opinion of FoxAce and then do fuck all about it once I've given it to you?

ScuMoI?

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@AV

– Not lynching someone who you think is obv-scum because they will ‘only be a goon’ is so beyond dumb I’m not sure I read that right. Did you actually intend to say that?

Yes. Consider though that I also think Lord Mhork is obvScum. When I have two scum in my sights, I'm going to go for the one who is more important to the scumteam.

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Vote: Foxace

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HazeScum, why do you say scum are likely to post infrequently but you've never once called me scummy?

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Drunk FoS Norman

More importantly, fuck off Greenknight scum. I gave you the chance to back down but NO you had to be a fucking toadie scumbag. Fuck off. You scumfuck.

"OH WHY WOULD AFK HAZE CALL YOU SCUM?"




BECASE i've been MORE THAN FUCKING AFK you derp fuck

I've ben "exactly" what he called scum
Contrbuting little
In the way of etc

BUT NOT
FUCKING
AFK

YOU DERPDICK

Greenknight is now CONFSCUM with HAXEZ

and probably mhork, since whassisname, Norman and whoever Foxy I'm voting etc they';re prob scummm tgiethere

SO YEAHS
FCK EM ALL
AND VOTE FOXACE FOR THE PROVERBAL WIN




HOLY SHT MASTIN IS IN THE GAME

GUYS
hhere is the plan

WHEVER MASING VOTES
WE VOTE
BECAUSE AS A REPLACEMENT HE IS FUCKING PEIC

EPIC

So if he;s town he's right
if he's scm he'

MASTIN FOAACE IS SCUM AMIRITE?

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MATIN PLEASE LICK MY NIPPLES

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FUCK YOU MSAINTIN

COME BACK AND PLAY
FUCKER

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ive lost hte remonte for my tv so i cant make the colours top being all wrong
halp

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MAstin
post your qt posts here
ii know how you work

vote foxace and togheter
we will crush the scummm



woah tammy says im fearmongering?



how???!!!?!?!


HERE IS FEAR

TAMMY IS A FUCKING BITCH
WHO WANTS YOU TO VOTE TOWN
(AV)
BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS A UFKCING FSCUMBAGGG
AND HE WANTS TO EAT YOUR BABIES
BECAUSE HIS OR HER MENTAIL BRAIN IS WRONGED
IE ALL WONKY
RIGHT

SO FEAR HER
AND VOTE HER LATER
LIKE NINE DAYS FROM NOW
WHEN WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH ALL THE SCUM<<MSz

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Also, AV, to clarify--you think Tammy's scum, right?

Zdenek and Haze think I'm scum. Apparently AV just thinks I'm a bitch.

It was better when I thought I was Samuel L Jackson...

"Does he look like a bitch?"

You're a minor scumbag that I don't need to worry about for a while all the time Foxace is being lynched. Sorry if I offended you though, that's not what this game is about. I retract calling you a bitch, and instead call you probscum for wishywashy fencesitting i.e. "I didn't like it, but I don't want to vote you," although I see I was completely wrong to say that you said I was fearmongering

So we can talk later; answers first, please.

6 scum imo.

I can't summarise the game cos I've not read it all. I think the most important thing you missed was trekker comparing EpicMafia stats with CooLDoG.

But regardless, I still have scumreads on: Foxace, Haze, greenknight, Lord Mhork, Tammy, norman and trekker in that order. I'm going to put my balls on the table and say that's our scumteams plus one town who is yet to be determined.

ALSO ONCE MORE SORRY FOR BEING A DRUNKTARD. MY LANGUAGE LAST NIGHT WAS UNACCEPTABLY RUDE TOWARDS CERTAIN PEOPLE. I APOLOGISE FOR THE RUDENESS.

ALTHOUGH YOU ARE SCUMBAGS WHO ARE TRYING TO KILL ME AND MY FRIENDS, I STILL NEED TO SHOW YOU RESPECT IN THE WAY I GO ABOUT EXPOSING YOUR LIES.

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^Reads to me like scum frustrated at being caught for "shit" reasons

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Not posting in the first 30 pages = afk

Herpderp what about since then?

I didn't expect to come into the thread last night and see me being cussed out by AV for whatever reason that was. That coupled with the statements concerning me afterwards just pushed me to my tipping point.

Hey gurl, I've apologised for that. Please don't let my cider rage put you off, it was harsh and I swore a lot and I didn't mean to be nasty. Look, I'm sure you're absolutely lovely and not a bitch at all, but that counts for nothing in this game where you're trying to kill me

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@tammy
Because you're scum, and scum kill town players off every night.

x_x

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WTF

Someone was complaining, saying that being AFK or lurking or something, was not a scumtell. And that if anything it should be people who are posting infrequently but not afk that are scum. And they didn't call me scum. Despite that being what I've been doing recently.

And now I can't find the post or who made it...

UHGFDSHFDS

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Did I dream it?

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I'm also suspicious of AVox for pushing the idea of a mass-claim without reading the thread before doing so, and the accusing everyone against it of fear mongering.

Whaa?
I read the thread back then. What are you talking about?

One thing that could be of importance that came out of Norman's play is that Foxace id not confirm that he saw Empking reading the thread, after Norman claimed that he saw both of them in the thread reading it during the day, and later Empking even said that he had been there. Should Foxace flip scum, I think that there is a very good chance that Rmpking is scum with him.

This is a good observation and worth noting for later.

I like this Kondi person.

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I'm also suspicious of AVox for pushing the idea of a mass-claim without reading the thread before doing so, and the accusing everyone against it of fear mongering.

Whaa?
I read the thread back then. What are you talking about?

AVox, you argued in favour of a mass claim after it should have been clear from the arguments in the thread that it was a terrible idea.

Due to a misunderstanding of the rules, not due to not reading. Oh, but it's cool to make stuff up right?

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Zdenk, it was pretty fucking obvious.

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@Tammy
Hit the Q+ button to queue up quotes. On the last quote just hit "Quote" and it sets them all out for you.

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@MoS explain foxace town?

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BBmolla, the most important thing is to play from where we are since deadline is nearby.

I still prefer a Foxace lynch. I'll be able to get on for securing a lynch elsewhere if necessary though.

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Damn...if BBMolla is scum, does that mean all my other 7 were right and we have 4-4 or that 2 of them were wrong?

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My latest count has Zdenek at 8 and Fox at 10.
Just over 12 hours til deadline.

Tammy's voting Zar. Tammy is scum.

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3 votes to lynch him

Is that all you've got? Anything else to build up from in the 20 pages you agreed to reading? (since you already stated you're ignoring the other 30?)

I've been giving my opinion in the rest of the game: you've already quoted the post where I've given reads. Why are you trying to make it look like I haven't?

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Fucking coward scumbags killed MoI.

Question is, why were there not two kills?

Doctor should keep quiet because could have been a prevented crosskill (though statistically less likely)

Vote: Lord Mhork

Buddying Mastin won't work.

I need to sober vote tomorrow though. Meh.

[AurorusVox]

Hmmm...

Okay let's do it this way

I want everyone to state whether they think the Doc should keep quiet or out his protect.

And that means EVERYONE

[AurorusVox]

TAMMY in a fit of drunken rage I abused you

I am deeply sorry

But don't you see? ZAR IS NOT SCUM!!

ALso JUNPEI who did you replace? I like you and hope that you are not scum.

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Hmmm...

Okay let's do it this way

I want everyone to state whether they think the Doc should keep quiet or out his protect.

And that means EVERYONE

Why should the doc come out? What positives can the town gain from a doc claim?

Did i ever say doc should come out? or did i say tye exact opposite?

CDscumdie

vote: cooldog

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Lol cooldog, I said I want people to state whether they think the doc should claim or not

I'm not saying that the doc should claim

I'm saying the exact opposite

I also explicitly said let's not discuss the night kill because doctor could have protected a crosskill, i.e. it's all wifom so FUCK YOU HAZE and your mudslinging




So in summary

CD is a bitch scumbag
Haze is being scummy
There's a chance whasserface, the one I offended D1, is actually town

And MoS needs to vote CD or be labelled scum

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@MoS

Nothing. That's beside the point.

The point is that it is something that everyone should have a stance on - a documented stance - so that they can't then backtrack on it later

It's hilarious that people see this as rolefishing when - a doctor has to just say "Oh yeah Doc no claim plz" and blends in. MINDFUCK MAYBE THE DOCTOR DOESNT EVEN EXIST

The point is that CD tipped his hand here.

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CD rushed to take the reasonable townie view without actually reading what I put - "Oh someone's talking about doctors? SCUMBAG"

The difference being: townies will actually see the value in the exercise. He did not because he was too concerned with looking town, rather than being town.

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D:

Is it bad that the only time I've been on mafia recently is when I've been drunk?

[AurorusVox]

Look: doctor or no
the point is

CD is scum
I can't put it plainer

Vote him, vote me, vote whoever the fuck
But it doesnt change one simply fact

Hook
Line
and Sinker

[AurorusVox]

Nice hash tags. Is this twitter now?

[AurorusVox]

Dear playas.

I am scummy as fuck yet I am town. Discuss.

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One
I've never said doc should claim and I'm not trying to get the doc to claim
CD mudslings that this is what I've said and lo and behold a bunch of people assume he's actually basing his argument on fact

Two
CD's response to the question was REALLY blatantly feigned.
It is artificially constructed. It's a tone thing.
It comes down to, town would read the thing. I concede that they might not see the value in it. But they'd at least read it properly because they want to know if I'm scum.
(And before anyone throws the "2 scumteam" business as a counter, let me say this: scum DONT WANT other scum lynched. They want their matching town group lynched. So although scum have a tad more motivation to "scumhunt" than normal, they ALSO have motivation to try to get the townies lynched)

However CD capitalised on the doctor talk to mudsling that I'm scum. It's FALSE and CONSTRUCTED and he's using it to FUEL AND PUSH a mislynch wagon.
He's trying to create a counter-wagon, to secure a mislynch in place of us taking him OUT of the game.

Okay here's the deal:
Recently I play it by gut picking up on things like tone. I don't normally explain it very well because as you can see from the above its hard to explain AND it also can look like stretching.
But, here, I have given it a go.

You don't have to like the explanation
You can lynch me
But that doesn't change the fact that I'm town AND that CD is stinky.

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MoS: if you're so sure Zdenek is scum, why are you not voting for him?

BBMolla is pretty suspicious right now.

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I'm back. Whaddimiss?

I can't get into this game. I'm looking at the last three pages and nothing.

MoS, why aren't you voting Zdenek?

greenknight makes a good point against Pine...but gk's strategy only works if everyone ethic claims. Without that, Pine has nothing to go off of.
Remind me, was gk up for a mass ethic claim?

Did CooLDoG and Pine claim the same role but of opposite ethics?
I think it's likely they're doubled up tbh.

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Briz, I love how your reasoning hasn't changed considering I've outlined why CD is scum, and the lack of such explanation was what you had fund scummy about me. In fact I gave those reasons in the very next fucking post after you asked for them.

@CD, orite, I thought someone said you claimed cop and I'd missed it. Mahbad.

Pine is probtown.

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Sorry, I still don't like your reasoning - Point 1 was a misrep and sorry for being retarded/pedantic but could you rephrase 2, I had no idea what you were talking about.

...

Sorry, I still don't like your reasoning

That's a different fucking argument from

I would really love it if AVoX could elaborate on his 'CD is obvious scum' case,

I still haven't seen a single reason

why from him.

Which was the same reason you still had AFTER I'd posted the reasons.

And I still want an AVoX lynch,

my reasoning hasn't changed from my last post.

---

Point 1 was a misrep

How? CD suggested I was trying to get the doc to claim:

Hmmm...

Okay let's do it this way

I want everyone to state whether they think the Doc should keep quiet or out his protect.

And that means EVERYONE

Why should the doc come out? What positives can the town gain from a doc claim?

The second point was that he's pushing me as a counterwagon. Except now he's trying to lynch PineCop for some reason? I'm not sure how valid it is NOW but back then it was.

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One
I've never said doc should claim and I'm not trying to get the doc to claim
CD mudslings that this is what I've said and lo and behold a bunch of people assume he's actually basing his argument on fact

Two
CD's response to the question was REALLY blatantly feigned.
It is artificially constructed. It's a tone thing.
It comes down to, town would read the thing. I concede that they might not see the value in it. But they'd at least read it properly because they want to know if I'm scum.
(And before anyone throws the "2 scumteam" business as a counter, let me say this: scum DONT WANT other scum lynched. They want their matching town group lynched. So although scum have a tad more motivation to "scumhunt" than normal, they ALSO have motivation to try to get the townies lynched)

However CD capitalised on the doctor talk to mudsling that I'm scum. It's FALSE and CONSTRUCTED and he's using it to FUEL AND PUSH a mislynch wagon.
He's trying to create a counter-wagon, to secure a mislynch in place of us taking him OUT of the game.

Okay here's the deal:
Recently I play it by gut picking up on things like tone. I don't normally explain it very well because as you can see from the above its hard to explain AND it also can look like stretching.
But, here, I have given it a go.

You don't have to like the explanation
You can lynch me
But that doesn't change the fact that I'm town AND that CD is stinky.

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But regardless, I still have scumreads on:

Foxace

, Haze, greenknight, Lord Mhork, Tammy,

norman

TiphaineDeath, and trekker in that order. I'm going to put my balls on the table and say that's our scumteams plus one town who is yet to be determined.

Where the fuck are Haze and trekker?
CooLDoG scum = one of those is town

With that shite "lol associated reads that mean nothing" post I'm thinking it's not Norman
Hmm...

I'd say Tammy is town.

Mhork's last post was bizarre and leaves him up on that list.
greenknight looks town in his posts but I can't shake the feeling he's scum.
Need more Haze/trekker posts.

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Although, BBMolla is pretty bad.

Renewed list:

Scummy = CDoG, Mhork, BBMolla, TipDeath
Less confident but residual scummy = greenknight, Haze, trekker

[AurorusVox]

Unvote; Vote: BBMolla

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I have just had an epiphany and I think we need to lynch BBMolla.

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VOTE: Norman

You crossed into the territory of deliberately unhelpful and thoroughly anti-town. Gah! I hate blasted policy lynches!

mastin, I like you. I, too, got all sorts of weird vibes when reading Tammy's posts. For now

VOTE: Tammy

Shadoweh, why do you have to make sense? Gah! I don't know! Ah well, at least I'm fairly sure on AurorusVox. Pine can wait until later.

UNVOTE: Pine

VOTE: AurorusVox

Three posts of yours that I have found scummy

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^townposting

[AurorusVox]

Haze, you are scum.
trekker, you are scum also.
RSVP.

[AurorusVox]

...2 scumteams of 2 in a game as large as this?

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ScumEmp could have easily fabricated a reason for voting for BBMolla.

And don't try to twist it scumDog. Me and Pine are the leading wagons, not you anymore.

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...

Hold up

Zdenek is making sense

He had the opportunity to check if someone was lying

and didn't

Has he tried to explain why he didn't do that?
Give me links, people.

[AurorusVox]

Blah blah blah

[AurorusVox]

I may have skimmed most of it.

The vital parts were - you didn't check him because he was your top suspect and Mastin's article says don't do it.
But that doesn't apply here where your sole purpose is to check for ethical lies.

Unless your argument was that you don't think scum would lie about their ethics.
But it was conclusively proven in the pre-crash thread that scum MUST lie about their ethics to not be outed in the case of an opposing team winning.

So either the claimed ethic from Zdenek (was it Zdenek?) is true and he's town, or lying and he's scum, but still you didn't check him.

Correct me if I've missed a different argument or corollary that is somehow relevant.

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Remind me, were you in favour of a mass ethics claim?

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Remind me, were you in favour of a mass ethics claim?

No.

Unvote; Vote: Pine

Here's the deal

If we massclaimed ethical alignment, scum HAD to lie.

Pine's claimed role outs ethical liars.

Pine's claimed role is MEANT to catch scummy players in the lie they HAD to make if we massclaimed ethical alignments.

Pine was NOT in favour of massclaimed ethical alignments.

Pine is a liar and therefore scum.

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MoS; you say Pine is town because he thought through his action.

I say that is false, sir.

If he thought it through, he would have been for ethical massclaim and also used it against the claimed ethic Zdenek.

Look: if scum tell the truth about their ethical alignment, when an opposing ethical side wins, all of THEIR ethic will leave the game.
If scum have told the truth, then at that moment, they will be outed as scum.
Therefore, their only hope is to lie about their ethic.

In an example:

Say, CE scum claim C

CG win
All CG leave the game, and all LE leave the game.
Scum, claiming the truthful C, do not leave the game.
Scum are outed as scum and lose.

If LE win
CG all leave the game
Scum, claiming the truthful C, do not leave the game.
Scum are outed as scum and lose.

Scum's ONLY option is to lie.

Now, if Pine had a role that could detect ethical lies, he should have been FOR an ethics massclaim to force scum to choose between (a) telling the truth and being outed if they are not the first team to win; or (b) tell a lie and be caught by his role

He did not do this.
Therefore I feel that he does not have that role.
Therefore I feel that he is a liar.
And is scum.

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MoS, you didn't think of it and that's fine because your role isn't designed around the mechanic of mass claiming ethics.

If your role was designed to determine ethical alignments, you WOULD have considered how best to use it.

[AurorusVox]

Unvote; Vote: AurorusVox

There BBMolla. Happy now?

Unvote; Vote: Pine

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That's a flimsy excuse. If it's PINE'S role, PINE should have thought how to best use it.

He should have at least realised that it's vital for scum to lie about their ethics, especially given the discussions in the pre-crash thread.

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I'm down for a Mhork lynch but lying Pine or lulzy BBMolla are both better lynches.

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Wow, that's...really valid. Not the accusation, that's bullshit, but the massclaim speculation. With scum being forced to lie, then I could actually function as a full Cop.

The problem is that that's the FIRST TIME anyone's come up with that. Despite having pages and pages of discussion. If it were as obvious as you're pretending, someone would have come up with it a long tine ago. So give yourself some credit, cut me some slack, and let's discuss it's merits (and drawbacks).

Did you read the pre-crash thread out of interest, Pine?

You're aware that literally two posts above this, I came around on the thing you've been bitching about, right? Read the fucking thread.

Really? I don't see you "discussing its merits" or really trying to get a discussion going on massclaiming ethics.

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Hmm.

Pine...didn't read the last thread...that makes it slightly less scummy...

But he still doesn't engage with the debate of whether or not to mass ethic claim...

Here's my thang

I will lynch:
Pine, BBMolla, Lord Mhork...
CooLDoG is a reserve now really...

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VOTE: bbmolla

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Hey gurl, I've apologised for that. Please don't let my cider rage put you off, it was harsh and I swore a lot and I didn't mean to be nasty. Look, I'm sure you're absolutely lovely and not a bitch at all, but that counts for nothing in this game where you're trying to kill me

your whole drunk posting thing looks over the top. do you drunk post as town? links, plz.

I drunkpost as all alignments. If I somehow spontaneously develop the desire to actually back this up with links you'll be the first to know.

Just stopping in to say I will vote anyone at deadline to secure a lynch including myself. I am a deadline slut.

The last few pages has had Faraday saying "we don't look that town" which I'm not sure if I like, people are giving Mastin a hard time over mostly nothing, MoS is starting to look decidedly town, and where is Pere?

Shadoweh is Shadowmeh I can lynch it if necessary

Tammy's "who me?!" wrt Mastin putting her and Zar on the same scumteam is ngggh. Then again putting them on the same scumteam in the first place was ngggh. There's no way Zar would replace out if it was scumdrama for distancing. Mastin needs to answer that.

Replacements are doing well considering I've not even read the whole game and I've been here from the start.

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Claim: Apathetic Town Aligned Player

[AurorusVox]

Okay I think Shadoweh is town from his first post alone. That wagon needs to die.

[AurorusVox]

@ AV -

I don't find Shadowehs first post to be a town-tell and I won't be changing to anyone else from her today other then Briz/Yourself.

I find Shadoweh's desire to cut through the RVS and immediate serious vote to show a town frame of mind.

I guess you've explained why you think BBM is town somewhere. Maybe I'll go look for it.

[AurorusVox]

Hmmmmm.

Skenvoy was a townread.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

[AurorusVox]

Okay let's do it this way: Reggie, why did you read Skenvoy as town?

[AurorusVox]

@ AV -

I don't think the speed in which a player wants to get out of RVS is a strong town-tell ftr, I push for it early as scum. As for why Skenvoy is town just download the cache and read the 5 pages and you'll understand why I lean towards that slot being town.

AV himself called Skenvoy town in that thread.

Precisely. Reg, I'm asking why YOU think he's town. Don't be all cheeky. If you've read it with any real focus, you'll have known I called him town. So don't try and fob me off. GIVE ME REASONS.

Claims, claims everywhere.

[AurorusVox]

Unvote; Vote: Shadoweh

Hiding behind audacity doesn't work when scum would know you were doing that.

Lack of ability naming is also hinky.

[AurorusVox]

Vote: BBMolla

BB why do you want me to confirm whether you are a RB? Rolefishing much?

Also willing to vote Pine - after all that discussion yesterday and he STILL investigates an unclaimed?

[AurorusVox]

I believe they don't make sense from a town perspective: N1 fine, you can forgive based on him not understanding why he has that role (if he actually has it). But last night, no, we'd discussed why he should target players whose alignment was known and he STILL didn't do it.

The blocked part is what makes it safe. Unsatisfactory.

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Your analogy is false because me having a hat on does not mean I can't be in cahoots with the other kid.

Me confirming whether or not you roleblocked me does NOT clear me of being mafia. It only tells you if I'm a PR or not.
For that reason I am not going to confirm whether you roleblocked me or not. Nor am I going to confirm whether I know if you roleblocked me or not.


Radical thought here: we should focus on eliminating one group first (i.e. go after Shadoweh's buddies) because if both towns are alive in the long-term, our enemy faction comprise a lower% and we have a lower statistical chance of lynching them.

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CD wanting to lynch one scumteam is not scummy since, y'know, everyone is more interested in seeing their direct opponents die.

That said, I'm not sure if I like CD trying to force a Pine lynch through before he'll join the BB one

Though VC shows CD has no vote?

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I think that BBmolla's claim so far (especially today in particular) have been nothing but attempts to draw out town power roles. He's been baiting someone to contradict his claim so his team can kill them. He almost died yesterday and he's the lead wagon out of the gate today, so it feels like he's not playing for the long haul.

This a thousand times. It's why I'm refusing his bait.

@Reg, yesterday someone might have piped up and claimed to have been roleblocked as a means of BB outing a PR on his way down. Meh. The more important scummy behaviour was today with him asking me to confirm his roleblock.

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@Pine, why did you not use your role usefully last night, after we had even discussed it? Explain your choice of chesskid.

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Also I hate how Tammy is trying to pass off every scummy thing she does as simply being "snooze fest" - if you're snoozing and can't play properly, don't post.

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Touche.

However, when one is drunk, one is not necessarily in control of one's actions (including posting).
When one is sleepy, one should just go to bed.

Moreover, have I tried to excuse anything scummy I said while I was drunk by just saying ":drunkposting:"?

Fairly sure I was wasted when I was talking about whether or not a doctor should claim. But have I used that as an excuse to get people off my back about it?
Nope.

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Right Tammy.

@Junpei, ah but can I be held accountable for that implied meaning? DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN

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Right as in you actually believe I'm trying to excuse actions because I'm tired?

You should probably read that back over again. I never once did that. His accusations are tired and boring hence the snooze fest.

No, no. Right as in right I get you.

@Junpei, meh. I never fakedrunkpost, that's just dumb. Besides, the way my life is right now I wouldn't be on at 4am unless I was drunk.

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We're so close to this BB lynch.
Come on now.

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Have we really honestly not gotten any closer to a BB lynch?

Fine. I'll ISO Briz later tonight.

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CD noting Tammy's good point makes me feel a lot better about both of them.
I want to believe Mastin is town but I might be wrong.

CD: Four lynches = BB, Pine, Nacho, Briz?

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So Mastin
Do you think Nacho is town?

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Despite multiscum and despite "scum lynches can still be scumdriven"?

>_>"

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ISO'd Briz, caught my name a couple times, this was nice:

after a quick ISO, AVoX actually looks like argumentative town.

I'll vote:
MoS
moneybags
ooba
Pine
LordMhork
Jackal
AVoX

D:

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Of further note around the same sort of time:

Although BBMolla doesn't look that town, he doesn't look particularly scummy either.

BB lynch is 'meh' for me but it seems like it's the only lynch that everyone can agree on, at least before the deadline - so I'm going to

VOTE:BBMolla

.
Town seems to have split in 2 over whether CoolDog is town or not, lets just assume for the moment that he's town and try and reach a productive lynch before deadline.

Town is split on CD so "let's assume he's town" = ?
Especially considering he is split on BBMolla and votes him anyway (after calling Shadoweh town)

Then he reverses his view on Shadoweh after reading a case. Opportunistic timing maybe? Or wily town actually noticing a good lynch?

I know Reg's case boils down to a chaotic/sloppy scumlist, and I can see where he's coming from.
A good lynch.

And I find myself agreeing with CD.

...Christ.

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Also we should keep Nacho around as long as he continues to quote Adele songs.

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CD, I know precisely what my role DOES. No idea where you got that impression. We merely differ on how to BEST use it. Now fuck off.

Oh really?

Because I can paint a pretty picture of you "realising" that our way was the best way to use it during D2, conveniently forgetting over N2, then finding our method agreeable again on D3.

Spoiler: Pretty Picture

Stuff about using Pine's role to catch claimed ethical lies

Wow, that's...really valid. Not the accusation, that's bullshit, but the massclaim speculation. With scum being forced to lie, then I could actually function as a full Cop.

The problem is that that's the FIRST TIME anyone's come up with that. Despite having pages and pages of discussion. If it were as obvious as you're pretending, someone would have come up with it a long tine ago. So give yourself some credit, cut me some slack, and let's discuss it's merits (and drawbacks).

^My way is really valid. It makes your role useful. Then this:

Investigated chesskid, roleblocked. On my way to practice, post later

WTF?

I'd like to be useful with my power some time before I'm dead. Or at least force scum to use a shot on me.

"Woe is me, I can't be useful yet" - despite having acknowledged the best way to use it yesterday.

Work of tomorrow, will get to this game then. I skimmed Tiphs case on Briz, it's good but I'll add a few more things to it then. People really need to move over to him though.

Also Pine needs to post a fuckload more in here, especially an explanation for his investigation choice.

As I stated on D1, I investigate people I have poor or unclear reads on. To be quite frank, I more or less picked at random from my large group of null reads. I was (correctly) anticipating a roleblock, so I didn't put a ton of effort into the decision.

However, I am anticipating the possibility of being freed up after a BB lynch. Can we get together a comprehensive list of who's claimed what?

"Comprehensive List" suggests he sees the usefulness of his role after all. But he nevertheless used it wrong and/or randomly (both bad). The fact he got RB'd does nothing to lessen that.

N1: Investigated wrongly
D2: Defended choice, realised error of ways and accepts usefulness of the right choice
N2: Makes same mistake again
D3: Defends choice, but claims to have put no effort into it, but sees the usefulness of the right choice

This is crap.

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Also Pine, bro, what happened to your Briz hate?

Spoiler: PineBriz D1

Hrm. I'd forgotten that Brizingre is scum. Amusing that his lynch list is me and three of my strongest Townreads.

Unvote
Vote: Brizingre

Faraday, ISO this scumbag and tell me if you see the opportunism that I see.

@MoS: Brizingrescum

Unvote
Vote: BB

Not going to get my brizingre lynch, looks like.

Yeah, that's because Brizingre is pulling his reads out of his ass, MoS.

This is everything you say about Briz D1. Then, D2:

Work of tomorrow, will get to this game then. I skimmed Tiphs case on Briz, it's good but I'll add a few more things to it then. People really need to move over to him though.

Also Pine needs to post a fuckload more in here, especially an explanation for his investigation choice.

As I stated on D1, I investigate people I have poor or unclear reads on. To be quite frank, I more or less picked at random from my large group of null reads. I was (correctly) anticipating a roleblock, so I didn't put a ton of effort into the decision.

However, I am anticipating the possibility of being freed up after a BB lynch. Can we get together a comprehensive list of who's claimed what?

This is the only place he's mentioned.

PLEASE NOTE

, the post Pine quotes even INCLUDES SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT BRIZ BEING SCUM and Pine does not even mention him.

Unvote; Vote: Pine

I still support the BBMolla wagon in spirit. But this scumbag, like, wow.

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Why can't Pine be scum unless Shadow1 is?

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Are you actually following the game here Tammy?

Scum HAVE to lie about their ethics.
Therefore, if he is telling the truth, he is town (unless he cocked up and told the truth, but in that case it'd be obvious eventually so no harm done).
Not that it matters since Pine is scum so.

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Pine, your role gives us zero information the way you're using it.
CD has outlined why.

Does it hurt that he's actually making more sense than you?
Because it hurts me to say it.

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Fuck you Mastin for being all reasonable sounding (only insofar as BB needs my vote; Pine is scum and must hang)

Unvote; Vote: BBMolla

Pine needs to pull his finger out his ass and

fake

play his "role" properly.

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@Tammy/Shadow1, well more fool Shadoweh. If the town that he claimed to have belonged to won, he'd have been outed immediately and goodbye Carolina. Just because Shadoweh did not play optimal scumplay does not mean Pine should be excused for suboptimal use of his role.

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@Reg, it's more than stubbornness. He actually accepted that the way we're telling him to use it was the best way yesterday. He also accepted it today. But that acceptance suddenly evaporated over the night phase. Excusing scummy behaviour as stubborn won't cut it here.

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@Shadow, Christ we've had this argument a thousand times. I thought we'd gotten this straight already.
Scum MUST LIE even on D1 because telling the truth is MORE OF A GAMBLE.

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Pere don't be scum on me bro.
Trust me on this: CD was scum but he's town now.

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Vibing on LB scum and entrenching in "CD or nothing" is weak. Feysal as a compromise when he thinks he's scum is weird.
Pere was town since forever but less so with these posts...:\

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CD: not Pine tomorrow?

Ladies, come over here to the BB wagon.

I can get all over Nacho and Briz but not before the obvScum are taken out.

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Junpei that's not what LB said, s/he said s/he may not have read it at all.
Snide comment with a misrep in there? You're not part of my four...don't make me wrong about my four.

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LB, this wagon is like pulling teeth. Why aren't scum pushing it to a lynch? He's a claimed PR. There could be scum on the wagon already because of multiball etc etc, but I find it highly likely that he's somepeoples' buddy and they're refusing to bus because they can just watch apathy let this wagon dry out.

I'll vote Briz/Nacho after BB/Pine if left to my own devices.
Help me now and maybe I'll consider a reshuffle.

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Junpei, what do you think I meant if not what you suggested?

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Especially considering the chunk of text that you happened to leave out of your quote.

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I thought you were saying "you vote bbmolla/pine today, I'll vote briz/nacho tomorrow", if not what I suggested.

? And the words "maybe" and "consider" didn't tip you off?

LB, this wagon is like pulling teeth. Why aren't scum pushing it to a lynch? He's a claimed PR. There could be scum on the wagon already because of multiball etc etc, but I find it highly likely that he's somepeoples' buddy and they're refusing to bus because they can just watch apathy let this wagon dry out.

Eh. I don't know if I buy this neccessarily. Didn't you have an initial townread on ManicalLemon too? Do you think BBmolla's stuff is that bad it changed your read?

Who are your 4 again, that you think is scum? (Well 5? 4 + molla)

ManicalLemon? What's he got to do with it?
I assume you mean Skenvoy. Yes I did read him as town but multiball means early day play (where I had my townread of him) is not as effective a barometer as I'd like. BB has been pretty damn scummy, and his rolefishing earlier put me over the edge.

If not BB, it'd be Pine for me today. What's your current Pineread?

4 are BB, Pine, Nacho, Briz...
...and I've just realised we're looking for a fifth too.

I need to think about that. I had a bunch of shitreads earlier so I might comb through to see if any of them were actually on point afterall.
But based purely on most recent ping, Junpei "jumpeid" out at me for bad play. He's a stand in until further notice.

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@Oversoul, you have Pine as a town read, but you don't want people to claim ethics. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

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@Oversoul/Pine's response to my question:

Without ANY ETHIC CLAIMS to go with roles, Pine is entirely USELESS.

The fact that Pine doesn't want ethic claims is just laughable and shows that he really doesn't have the role he claims to have.

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Trying to undermine my point against you because of a technicality based on the word I chose to describe your play.

Considering that you used the word 'ubiquitous' 100% incorrectly (there are a plethora of other words you could have used that have the prefix 'un-' for the acronym) I doubt the issue is with Tammy and more with you not fully understanding what you're explicitly saying.

Seriously?

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Oversoul, he claims to be RB'd again after targeting CHESSKID (who has no in-thread ethical claim)

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- Mastin who jumped from BBtown to BBscum and isn't scumhunting at all. In fact he's blatantly avoiding commenting on other things.
- Haze who jumped from not wanting to lynch BB yesterday to voting him today saying he's the obvious lynch with no reason.
- Feysal who hasn't done nearly any scumhunting and is just standing back waiting for this lynch to go through.
- Nacho who hasn't caught up with the game and is 'sheeping mastin' with his vote.

Reg, wasn't it you who is clearing Pine based on Shadow reversing his read (but not claiming cop)?
Why then are you not willing to entertain the idea that ONE OF THESE reversed reads is the result of a cop investigation?

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Plus, scums can be on scum wagons. Multiball etc?

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MoS, isn't it likelier that they're scum of opposite alignments?

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I actually have no problem with Pere's late claim. It's better to let the day play out and get reads from it than quicklynch the day from the start.
Pretty sure Feysal is taking the Chesskid towntell that LB talked about to the extreme.

Reg and MoS have given me good answers in the last few pages. Both are town, but both point to opposite reads on BBMolla. Interesting, but I still think he's scum until I see conclusive proof for Reg's argument (p.s. I'm remaining cryptic on that front on purpose)

PINE USE YOUR ROLE PROPERLY TONIGHT IF YOU ARE TOWN

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Hmm.

So what's your read on Feysal?

[AurorusVox]

Vote: bbmolla

Also willing to lynch pine, feysal, maybe oversoul or nacho.

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Actually I like Chess' plan.

Unvote; Vote: Feysal

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@TD: Why rush? Why can't we wait for these people to become a part of the conversation?

Anyway, I'm willing to vote BB when we're ready for it. Pere needs to claim anything he has to claim, and I'm not quite following why Feysal won't reveal any info he has - a BB flip makes him a prime target tonight, so etc.

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Feysal has had one night unblocked I believe.

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Pere, what more do you want to hear from me? I've been waiting on you and feysal to claim anything you have before hammering. Seems I get that chance now.

Btw it has to be 10:3 because we share lynched. If we had 2 lynches each day, I could see 9:4 but otherwise no.

Sorry for not being scum, feysal. The important thing is that this isn't a feysal bb bus since if feysal knows I'm a commoner, why did bb block me n2? So hush junpei scum.

vote: bbmolla

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I agree with mass ethic claim. I'm on my phone but I'll claim when I get home.

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Because when we lynch the final scum on one team, everyone needs to be locked into a claim for when they leave.

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Zdenek there's no point pine coding it. Just gives scum the chance to decode it.

Junpei, scum must lie today, which means we can catch them. Hence massclaim.

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Junpei didn't understand why he had to lie, right? Pretty sure he's scum.

Pine accepting his lynch reads town to me but nevertheless he has to go. Tempted to suggest Junpei first though.

I still haven't gone on my laptop to check my ethic and I don't wanna trawl pms on my phone. I'll be on when I get home for you though.

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Okay so I'm Chaotic.

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Pine, do you think the last scum are prs or commoners?

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Mastin - do

you

think the last scum is a commoner?

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Mina I've not looked at my role pm since we decided not to mass ethic claim d1. If we're not playing as two towns, just knowing I'm vt is enough for me. What good will come of me looking at whether my ethical prs or my opposing scum are dead? I'm interested in lynching scum, that's it.

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ORLY?

I've treated this as a single large game since I don't see how doing anything different would benefit me as a non PR~

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How is not caring about faction any different from ignoring it and not keeping tips on how my side is doing?
In what conceivable way will it benefit me to start trying to hunt for ONLY Lawful players, especially when we mooted early ethic claim?

No. I'm not going to bother trying to only lynch my opposing faction because that will make things a whole lot more complicated than they need to be.
Once a team has left, if it's mine then great, if not, then worrying about factions is pointless because only my opponents are left.

Let me clear this up:
Do you think I'm lying about not caring, or do you think not caring is scummy?

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And why would I lie about not caring if it's oh so scummy?

Explain the difference to me.

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Vote: Nacho

Let's make things interesting.

@Mastin, which team am I on then?

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vote: td

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On phone so can't see numbers, but if we don't lynch chess today, is there any way chaotic and lawful both shoot chaotic good and we loose? Or do we got the numbers on them to let chess have his last hurrah? Also this means the last chaotic scum claimed lawful, right? And nacho/mastin both claimed lawful?

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Eh. ChessPlan works then ('less we're being strung along by pine-chess lulz scumteam theatre /tinfoil)

Waiting on feysal.

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I support the helping both town plan. Otherwise they face nacho-mastin tomorrow which is yucky. Let them lynch one today IF they trust chess not to screw them (with a mislynch and 2 lawful good deaths tonight, its game over)

That said, I'm not sure how sportsmanlike it is to do it this way.

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I've already said I support lynching Nacho/Mastin.

@NumberCrunchers, do we have the manpower to mislynch today, have Chess shoot CG, CE shoot LG, and then lynch CE tomorrow BEFORE we lynch Chesskid?
What I mean is, would this work:

- Lynch Nacho
- Chess shoots Pine
- Mastin shoots Feysal
- Lynch Mastin
- Chess shoots AurorusVox
- Lynch Chess

Because we could lynch between just TWO LawfulClaimants tomorrow if this is the case, rather than Chess potentially shooting one of the final LGs?

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(those names are just examples...not sure out of Mastin/Nacho who is scummier. TBH it's probably Feysal )

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I guess it's unfair on the last CE guy. We have ChessScum and should lynch him. It's like one scumteam having a guilty result on the other scumteam and outing them on their way down...I remember telling AGM in a DEFCON game that I was manically trolling in order to survive when I "outed" the opposing scumteam because it could've been construed as unsportsmanlike if I'd gotten it right...

This is tough, ethically.

If I was CE, I'd be pissed.
But if I was LG, I'd probably want Chess to do it...

Hmph.

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Okay fine, if you guys don't want to follow that plan, we can't make you since we're in the minority, but if you want to get all ethical about it the least you could do is help in the determination of who the last one is.

no this is not the posting you should be making. focus on me and mastin.

NachoTownposting.

Empking do you realize that this is the most effort you've put into this game?

Yes I care more about actual ethics and fairness more than a game. Sue me.

Yeah. I'm kinda...Okay, lynching Chess today is the best option. Feels wrong to screw the CE...sorry Lawfuls.

I don't mind giving opinions on Nacho/Mastin/Tammy/Feysal though.

Nacho's looking town.
Mastin I thought was town previously. Are we sure it's between them?
Tammy I thought was scum ages ago. Is she clear town now? Her venom at Emp could be scum trying too hard?
Feysal would be epicScum if he was gambitting btw. But I assume night kills will sort that concern out.

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Tammy I'll help you figure out who the last one is, I'm not saying I won't. But I'm not sure about the chess killer plan.

[AurorusVox]

And so it begins...

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I'd go MastinSlot based on RVS alone.

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When was that Haze?

Hmph Chess. I've been wondering about TammyScum. WHEN did she become "obvTown"? Are the people who think that even still around anymore? CAN ANYONE tell me why Tammy is town?

Mastin v Nacho is a show for the ages, but Tammy's getting in the way with all this "clerical" stuff - which I hope is the most elaborate soft-claim ever - diluting the battle that we paid to see, and distracting us with boring paperwork. All the while she looks "proactive" whilst pushing an agenda that means either you shoot Nacho/Mastin, or one of them gets lynched tomorrow.

IF TAMMY IS SCUM
LAWFUL GOOD HAVE PROBABLY LOST

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Tammy you troll.

[AurorusVox]

Have we decided to lynch CHESSKID today and leave the Lawfuls to their LYLO tomorrow?