For the record, I
The fact that chesskid isn't an IC is disappointing.
Shinori 59 wrote:I still see it as scummy, when did I say that I thought it made him feel more town like in my eyes?
OAFE 70 wrote:Do not like that last post, the timing of that vote sucks.
MoI 78 wrote:Now it's not overwhelmingly powerful (in that 33% chance is only slightly better than 28%) but it is useful.
Fate 84 wrote:Hey RC, have you read the game yet? Yourr thoughts?
MoI 85 wrote:@RC – did you read the thread prior to your RVS vote?
Seraphim 91 wrote:I have no reason not to believe MoI at this juncture
MoI 94 wrote:So to directly answer Reg – it isn’t certain that my list contains Night aligned.
Flash 101 wrote:Even if MoI is telling the truth, something I'm not entirely convinced of, I'd rather lynch people I find scummy than people within his set, if those 2 things overlap, sure I'll use it as a tie breaker. They don't at the moment.
Shmugen 110 wrote:Where's the scum motivations in that kind of shenanigan.
chess 115 wrote:nobody is saying MoI is pushing SCUMGENDA here
they are saying MoI is pushing POLICYGENDA + LOLTHERE'SPROLLY1SCUMHERE
MoI 136 wrote:I very much like where you are going with the bolded … my intial reaction was just that.
Shinori 142 wrote:I thought he was scummy because of his inability to post and his inability to actually explain anything behind his vote, which is why I was wondering if it was something he normally does, because if it is something he does then I wanted to know if he tends to do it more as town or scum. I did not state that I found him scummy at the time because I didn't see it was required considering multiple other players in this same thread have voted someone with no reasoning and have not been called out on it, yet they obviously feel their vote should be on their target.
Reg 143 wrote:Mina, if youknowthat Hito dislikes millers is there any particular reason your vote isn't on OAFE right now?
Staeg 151 wrote:Yeah I pressed submit early
UT 154 wrote:nuwen literally hadn't posted any content at the point where you made that post. why include her?
4nx 158 wrote:practice, mostly. how town express their frustration usually give off a different vibe from scumfrustration.
and shinori's posts have that vibe of town who doesn't understand why a wagon grew so quickly on him and is frustrated cause he thinks he didn't do anything wrong. with scum, I would expect to see more "oh shit they caught me" vibes.
MoI 161 wrote:Where did I ever claim we should do this? Seriously I’m not advocating at all that we should at all be forced to lynch between the three. The information is just that … information.
MoI 161 wrote:Why is having the Commexo (or however you spell it) in the three as opposed to Night a bad thing?
Fate 162 wrote:ALSO: RC is not sucm if OFAE is. He was ignorant of OFAE's claim, which going with my theory that it was discussed in the scum qt pre-game, would clear him for the most part for me.
Mod 174 wrote:see the Amazing Spiderman
peta 197 wrote:you're sounding kind of fake dude
Reg 201 wrote:I don't think Mina would lie about hitos modding preferences and Fate seems to have some memory of Hito also commenting on his dislike of the miller role so even though this is a large game and not a mini theme I think the chances that a miller role actually does exist given his mod preferences is quite low. Play wise I don't mind his focus on the 'vote inside the 3' thing because that likely is decent play optimally speaking but I don't like his reasoning behind choosing Peta over Bella and his 'why would town lie!' thing seems to be his only contributions since then. I wouldn't mind a lynch on him at the moment.
Reg 201 wrote:This is something that I'm having trouble comprehending, Fate is conftown so the 'maybe on the same team' doesn't make sense at all since you shouldknowthat you're town and thusknowthat you're on the same team. Interested on Fates/others taken on this though because it's possible I'm reading too much into it.
OAFE 205 wrote:I become something that looks evil, but I'm not, I can temporarily prevent this, but its active most of the time, therefore I figured it would be a good idea to share.
Fate 207 wrote:Also the wording thing with him isn't lynch worthy, RC has a unique style as town that gets him misread often. He's said some subtle town thins so far as well.
peta 213 wrote:i fkn asked you a question how about you read over THAT
4nx 220 wrote:the two matrices were OAFE + an experienced player and me + shinori. then fate said rc can't be scum with OAFE. so you're saying the correct matrix is me + shinori, right? Does that mean you have a townread on OAFE andor scumreads on me + shinori?
Hindu 225 wrote:"She was the scummiest vote on the wagon"
"would I write that as scum? Probably"
"would you write that as town"
"are there scummier people"
"why do I think she's the scummiest"
"how is she the scummiest just because I might write that post as scum"
"what am I doing"
Minimum 229 wrote:I mentioned the miller thing to throw OAFE off-guard, but to be honest, I'm not confident that it's incriminating. This was months ago, and unfortunately, I don't remember what hito's objection was to millers (it had something to do with Mafia theory) or how adamant he was against them. I can't find the chat log. Faraday asked me a cryptic question in Abarat about whether hito had ever spoken to me about his thoughts on player expectations (Something like that? I can check the cache files when I get home)--that I asked him about after the game. And I just remember the answer had something to do with him disliking millers.
Minimum 231 wrote:I mean more that my other half prefers that we keep our cards close to our chest.
Reg 245 wrote:His lack of comment on OAFEs miller claim given that he's admitted he knew about it is off-putting, I don't like his reasoning behind jumping onto the Shinori wagon and he hasn't actually stated another read at all.
ML 247 wrote:ok, Hinduragi, who cares, what's your point? You don't seem to be arguing for anything in particular here. Scum team have power roles, *yipee*?
Reg 267 wrote:No? Not even close to it, we're only 4 days into a 21 day phase, not even 20% into the length allowed to us. Compromising and consolidation isn't needed at all right now. In fact I'd rather people be voting their stronger reads rather than reads that are most agreed on right now.
4nx 678 wrote:with the scumteam already down a roleblocker, I see no problem with rolling the dice in marapoza street
Reg 710 wrote:…What?
MattP 716 wrote:Yes.
VOTE: Bella
MattP 723 wrote:I didn't have time last night to do a VCA or really rip apart the first day. I should have time today at work after I finish reading through the thread
MoI 728 wrote:Question to everyone – how much bussing do you think went on with the Staeg wagon? I ask because taking a look at it I realized none of the Nightkilled Townies were on it.
Reg 733 wrote:the lynch was essentially pushed through by Fate and majority of the votes that followed were sheeping of it.
MattP 737 wrote:I'm not at ALL in panic mode so you absolutely suck at reading tone
MoI 828 wrote:Doesn't post for almost 48 hours here while posting all over sight.
Pops up within 8 minutes of me mentioning she's a good vote.
Scum motivated active lurking right here ...
Tierce 833 wrote:Want to quicklynch me over something I had no control over, go right ahead and spare me the effort of reading through.
Nuwen 845 wrote:Send Bella or Peta. Preferably Bella, who concidentally is not voting to Send her top scumread to the snowglobe of waking mind-death.
Shmug 846 wrote:I could go for sending Bella, anything to force more pressure on her.
Minimum 851 wrote:Send: MattP
Minimum 856 wrote:Tierce should die but this inactivity-based stuff is still lazy.
Minimum 867 wrote:I don't think anyone particularly cares about just your reads and the vote is pointless.
Shinori 880 wrote:Lynch me if you want. I won't fight it that hard. Just make sure you take time to decide if you are gonna lynch me and who's gonna hammer me.
Tierce 882 wrote:Bomb fear tactics? Pfffahahaha.
UNVOTE: AGar
VOTE: Shinori
In post 1008, petapan wrote:i'm not even saying i have a town-read on tierce though if i had to guess right now she is town
In post 1008, petapan wrote:i am saying people are too narrowly focused like they've already given up on this day and it is driving me up the wall
and hell i'll do it once more, with feeling, so that it just might penetrate someone's skull this time
Shinori 394 wrote:I also keep forgetting that UT is playing this game, which he would post more along with bella and Nuwen.
Shinori 394 wrote:I feel UT might be scum though and I feel bella as more town.
In post 641, Shinori wrote:MoI- My highest priority town read at the moment. I don't see scum doing what he did with a random ass gambit not to mention the majority of his posts scream obv!town to me. But bringing up his bit of info that his role supposedly has, which I am inclined to believe is true and that it isn't a gambit at all, is even more reason to think that he is town.
Bella and Peta- These two are town and directly involved with MoI in my eyes, since I think MoI is town and telling the truth about his role that means one of the people he stated is scum, I believe chesskid to be scum which means that the other two would have to be town, unless it was troll-worthy and there was actually two scum here or the third party member here, which I highly doubt cause it would be IMBA.
Seraphim- Originally I was suspicious of him because he wasn't saying much and he did something that seemed scummy in my eyes, however supposedly norm for him I guess or something, never really got my answer. He doesn't have too many posts but they seem town to me especially #324. In general his thoughts about Chesskid have been the same as mine.
4nxi3ty- I like his posts #450 and his most recent #636 Same general thing though where he isn't posting all that much but I like his posts. Wish he would post more so we can have more of his thoughts.
Hinduragi- Most obvious town I think behind MoI, besides Bella and Peta. Active, posting thoughts, I did not however like his aggressiveness towards OAFE and I felt like the majority of that was a waste of time, which it was. Unless you wanna go back and look at the people who were on his wagon when he was at about 8 votes or so, which could be beneficial, because I feel like scum most likely were on it in some way shape or form. Other than his posts towards OAFE he has a massive town vibe coming from him for me, and he was a fan of the staeg lynch and believes UT was scum as well. I like him.
Tierce 691 wrote:Scum:
AGar
Seraphim
Shinori
Shmugen
Tierce 908 wrote:Ludi, Hinduragi, 4nxi3ty, MoI, Flash, petapan all town.
peta 1030 wrote:i don't pay attention to people who don't pay attention to anything i'm actually saying
none of what i am arguing
none of it
is an actual reason to keep her from being lynched (aside from a weak feeling i cannot properly explain)
so if you're not going to actually read anything i have to say then fuck you up yours i'm not joining your lynch because i'm apparently not playing the same game as you
peta 1043 wrote:go fuck yourself
peta 1044 wrote:VOTE: tierce
when she flips town i hope the rest of the players in this game have the good sense to not listen to a word you say from now on
fucking douchebag
peta 1045 wrote:every post you make is patently full of shit but you're probably town regardless and i'm done trying to cooperate with people who are clearly predisposed to ignore me so i'm playing to the troll win condition now
Hindu 1028 wrote:Lynch Tierce. Thia stalling is dumb and everyone is pretending they've forgotten the wagon even happened. All the reasons presented to keep her from being lynched, those around the claim, are dumb and don't take into account the very fucking reason she was wagoned in the first place.
In post 1286, Bella wrote:Since the whole "Lynch Bella/get MattPTammy to hammer" plan has fallen through,Unvote.
In post 1308, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@RedCoyote– Why did your posts on Post 1142 posit that Jailkeeping me would stop the scum Nightkill when there are 2 Night left?
Seraphim 1558 wrote:RC: there's a chance we're not 50/50 though, because of petapan's ability.
Tammy 1571 wrote:It's likely he used it on night 3, so that is one more possible reason for the lack of two night kills on night 3. However, I can't imagine why someone would try to kill peta on night 3. It wasn't until day 4 that MoI's gambit was found out, and before then he was trying to discredit peta, so that doesn't seem likely.
Bella 1593 wrote:This is pushing me towards the possibility that Seraphim is the last Night player in the game.
The other is thatHinduragiandGammagooeyhave been on every single lynch wagon thusfar. I'd call that a very mild Commexo tell - and given that Hindu was one of the people who shot down AGar's talk of Commexo hunting on day two, there's something there I'd like to look at further, particularly since I'm currently on the side of Gammatown.
In post 1691, Seraphim wrote:RedCoyote: have you ever played as SK before?
SoO 1643 wrote:This makes me think that Peta might have JK’d a NK…so it might be possible that RC and/or Seraphim might not have been one of the killers. If Peta did in fact JK a kill then RC and or Seraph would both be cleared. Again I don’t see why Mrs Agar wouldn’t pick Agar’s given targets…as reading the info , their powers only work if they both choose the same target(s). I would say that she come forward only ONLY if she targeted Tammy and NOT Quilford on N2…or unless she has any other relevant info she might be able to give us.…
Seraphim 1653 wrote:Still, all this arguing misses the point that Occam's Razor dictates that peta was targeted N3 and was responsible for the missed kill.
Quilford 472 wrote:OnceAndForEver
petapan
Nuwen
Flash
MoI
(Fate)
(Regfan)
Shinori 641 wrote:Top 5 town reads not counting IC with reasonings:
MoI[...]
Bella and Peta[...]
Seraphim[...]
4nxi3ty[...]
Hinduragi
Tierce 691 wrote:Town:
Flash
Magister Ludi
MagnaofIllusion
Nuwen
RedCoyote
Scum:
AGar
Seraphim
Shinori
Shmugen
Tierce 908 wrote:Ludi, Hinduragi, 4nxi3ty, MoI, Flash, petapan all town.
Tierce 922 wrote:AGar and Nuwen need to die. Possibly also RC, MattP and Minimum.
Minimum 1803 wrote:Not really?
Minimum 1776 wrote:I...kind of think that Seraphim is town, now, and that since there has to be at least one scum outside of Red Coyote and Seraphim,minimum(no pun intended), it's probably Shmugen by PoE. (Aside from the fact that I don't think that two BPs are likely even with the SK win condition, I'm not fond of his play at all today--it just makes my gut itch. It feels like he's appealing to fear by consistently harping on the key, has shallow reads, seems concerned with self-preservation, and keeps pushing us to lynch one of RC/Seraphim when on the contrary, we know one of them HAS to be innocent.) But CES and I have disagreed on most of our reads this day phase--for example, I stopped suspecting Seraphim almost the moment he stopped trusting him.
In post 1805, Minimum wrote:In post 1802, RedCoyote wrote:Minimum's constant critiques of my play have also emasculated me somewhat.
Don't think I've criticized you all that much in recent Days? (Except just now.) If you're bothered by my constant and neverending suspicion of you, that's fine but that really doesn't work that well if you're town. Maybe you should try confessing?
In post 1810, Flash wrote:The me and you both as sk/mafia point is just so absurd. I think its more likely that one of us is mafia/sk and fooled the other than that we both thought we could fool the other long enough that we actually got to the point of MAD where we needed each other. (and I think the chance that you are mafia is exactly 0, sk is non 0 I guess, but not by much)
In post 1813, Flash wrote:This is blatant dirt spreading, and about something that is confirmed to not be the case. Hindu explicitly said that in his PM it said the key did nothing for commexo.