A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Timeater]

yo

im a vt and im a lannister with blond hair

[Timeater]

can someone give me the footnotes before i attempt to skim this beast

[Timeater]

why are there votes on me

stahp it

[Timeater]

Because I have nothing to lose by doing so lol. Saves me time and energy, saves everyone any potential bs related to my predecessors.

And to answer your question no. Not at all. Also I've only watched the show, haven't read the books. Replaced in as a favor to Faraday.

[Timeater]

i dont think i have before

this is me talking about it in md a little tho? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4263109

[Timeater]

why arent you dead reg

[Timeater]

put your money where your mouth is mister i have an ace up my sleeve

[Timeater]

oh fuck nevermind scumhunter already claimed jaime

well look im town this is me just being lazy let me try to read this novella of a game and i'll get back to you

[Timeater]

can someone reveal all the flavor alts to me thanks

[Timeater]

i still havent read this game sigh

[Timeater]

So all up I think the case is horseshit. Lynch Timeater or 4nxiety over Feysal anyday.

stop being retarded reg

or stop being maf

[Timeater]

I

DONT

HAVE

TIME

FOR

THIS

GAME

RIGHT

NOW

YES I CLAIMED SO WHAT THATS IRRELEVANT ALL YOUR POINTS ABOUT IT ARE CONTRIVED AND OVERDEVELOPED

IM JAIME FUCKING LANNISTER

DO YOU UNDERSTAND

JAIME

FUCKING

LANNISTER

I WILL -TRY- TO READ THE GAME SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS BUT I SIMPLY CANNOT RIGHT NOW

[Timeater]

should I hammer feysal???

[Timeater]

nvm he's l-2

and we got 2 days

[Timeater]

I don't actually like Timeaters 'explanation' of why he insta-claimed his role, comes across as forced still and the link to the thread of him saying 'town should be see-through and genuine' doesn't really explain his moves if he's claiming that he didn't' realize he was being voted or wagoned at the time. Really comes across as him trying to force-through a town-tell rather than anything else. Not just that though but in Post 2612 I mentioned that Scumhunter had claimed their role-name and then in Post 2618 he insinuates he doesn't know that his role name has been claimed, then in Post 2621 he goes 'oh fuck my role name has already been claimed which doesn't match in order of thought process. Either 1) He didn't read my initial post carefully and skimmed past the fact that Jaime was already claimed which is scummy given that there was only two lines in my post directed towards him or 2) He knew that Scumhunter had claimed Jaime from reading my post or even beforehand making the following 'ace up my sleeves' completley fabricated. In 1) it's not just that he didn't read my post properly but instead of going 'ace up my sleeve' 'im jaime booyah' he goes 'ace up my sleeve' 'oh names already claimed' which means instead of just posting it instantly he actually went back and looked through Scumhunters ISO which I can't understand the motivation behind as town at all.

i noticed it i just didnt care really or give much thought to it

dont have time to explain shit, also there isnt much here to explain really

bitch please you know how hard i towntell and just because you think its forced doesnt mean it is

i didnt insinuate anything i just didnt realize it because i didnt read your post that carefully and it only dawned on me when that you did mention it when i was getting all excited about claiming jaime

1. i havent had time to ISO ANYONE OR ANYTHING
2. ive only read this game uptil the page ive replaced to
3. i havent even really read the subsequent pages
4. realize im playing like a bitch here and there is a time issue but i WILL eventually get around to reading this game its just alot of work for me and i havent been able to do it yet
5. i dont give a shit about what my predecessors did, im the slot now and you have my word i will contribute to this game in my way, i just cannot do it right now im sorry i know its shitty but that wagon on me and those votes on me i cant do anything of substance until i get around to reading the game SORRY

[Timeater]

unvote

faraday why isnt my vote cleared ya turd

[Timeater]

Going to say that Zdenek is the winner of that exchange

Vote: Thor

Pedit: thor trying to throw weight around that isnt there, shifty as fuck

[Timeater]

Nice ad hominem, madscum

Anything real to contribute or no

You voted Feysal, said nothing about him, attacked me when I tried to figure out if the meta arguments regarding Feysal made sense or not, said that now Feysal is obv. town, and conclude by acting as though you saw him as obv. town before I tried to work out if the meta arguments made sense.

^^^ thats real talk

[Timeater]

uhh i do that shit all the time as maf its pretty common, also i like to play down what im doing by blatantly saying it in a humorous manner to distance myself from my own scummy actions also pretty common

dude your tone right now isnt town doesnt take a genius to see it. also lol @ your assertion that somehow i am forever a horrible player because i quoted and agreed with something reasonable zdenek said I am somehow a horrible mafia player 4eva because of it. also notice how you arent actually attacking his words you're just lashing out blindly. lol too bad this isnt a training lobby game otherwise that might've worked

dang thor you've gotten pretty sloppy

[Timeater]

above post was directed @ thor

[Timeater]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4386661
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4386671
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4386678

damage control

[Timeater]

This current argument is stupid. The only thing that makes sense is that Thor is reaction testing of some sort.

Zedenek's town, and it makes no scum sense for him to analyze the defense of a player whose wagon he was already on. He, as scum, didn't even need to be as thorough as he was. He could have just responded that feysal didn't fit his town meta like a lot of us have already talked about and called it a day. In fact several of us played together in GvE with feysal and have used that as a context for his meta. He's not even the main one pushing this wagon. I don't see how scum!zdenek would talk about how his scum meta is different but come to the conclusion that it ultimately can't be used in his defense in hie eyes. Scum use meta to exploit people and would be less likely to talk about the differences no matter what the conclusion is.

Also, calling feysal obvtownn from that is silly. Maybe if this weren't multiball you could make that assertion but not here.

Tim - you don't have to read the whole game, but feysal is the main wagon being pushed by plums yo mama, a new set of eyes on that might be nice. Also in feysal you'll see the main case against your slot.

Thor is reaction testing? Thats all you have to say? Really?

Really now.

[Timeater]

Tammy can I get your reads real quick since you're on

No walls please a list will do

[Timeater]

Scratch everything I just said I did not realize he just replaced in, LOL

I need to read the game yea.

unvote

[Timeater]

Erm well Jal seemed pretty town at first glance...

[Timeater]

Why exactly were people voting Jal

Whats the case

[Timeater]

should say are*

[Timeater]

Agree that Thor is being scummy but I'm having a hard time believing Jal was that good. I just skimmed really but semantically she looked like top notch town. Also since Thor just replaced in I'm willing to give him a lot of leeway. "Attacking people" isn't really a maf tell. Lack of clear reads isnt really a maftell. Not everyone prompts people for reads consistently à la Timeater mode.

[Timeater]

This doesn't look like maf.

[Timeater]

idk reading him will take a long time

immediate gut says town though

yeah this wagon is balls.

big

fos

es on tammy and tierce

on tammy (lyana), i'm not getting regfan's read on her at all. i dont remember her being so apologetic and wishy-washy. she was pretty strong willed as town if memory serves me correctly.

[Timeater]

This doesn't look like maf.

Hey, Tim, stop sucking up to Thor whose wagon has very little chance of going though anyway, and read through feysal whose wagon does actually have a chance.

how am i sucking up to thor i was just all up in his grill? am i allowed to change my mind?

and anyway if you want the feysal wagon so bad why are you pushing thor when feysal is so close to a lynch? considering how "little chance" the thor wagon has?? also about feysal the dude is like so naturally scummy and lurky he's like one of the biggest pains in the asses to read on ms. im just not touching that right now no, no thanks -_-

seems p opportunistic with this wellspring of fresh votes

im this "-" close to tunneling you tammy

[Timeater]

You know what I think Lyana is the better bet.

Holy shit looking over lyana's ISO past few pages. Look at this shit.

How about it t-man?

Vote: Lyana

[Timeater]

lmao confident because you have strong partners huh

[Timeater]

i hereby dissolve your girlpower clique

[Timeater]

I dont mean to pull a Katsuki but...

Reg's vote is still on me.

He's mafia. Thats a guarantee.

Only wagon right now that looks good to me is Feysal.

Vote: Feysal

[Timeater]

Timeater, just want to make sure I have this right, you didn't read my post to you properly the first time (The one mentioning that SH/Starbuck had claimed), then stated you have an ace up your sleeve, then read my post, then realized Scumhunter claimed Jaime so you posted as such? Oh and TammysTown.

Skimmed it, forgot, remembered

And no she isnt

[Timeater]

There are at least 2-3 scum on the Thor wagon

Guaranteed

[Timeater]

should I hammer feysal???

Timeater shows readiness to lynch Feysal

Hey, Tim, stop sucking up to Thor whose wagon has very little chance of going though anyway, and read through feysal whose wagon does actually have a chance.

errdeerpah

My mistake. I thought you well telling him off for pushing thor. You're telling him off for buddying thor?
But that brings a whole new question. Why should he stop sucking up to thor if his wagon has little chance of going through? Do you mean, "stop defending him, he isn't likely to get lynched anyway"?
If so, why the heckles are you voting him (thor)?

because she's maf

[Timeater]

There are at least 2-3 scum on the Thor wagon

Guaranteed

Who?

dunno but feel pretty strongly about Lyana. minimum definitely reads scum. Zdenek not so sure about. Tierce hasnt done anything lately but her votes speak louder than words (same with Tammy; also btw tammy I read you correctly in that one game we played together, how about you dont blatantly lie again thats a scumtell thanks.) Also I'd go as far to say there are at least 2 scum voting me right now as well.

The opportunistic way that wagon sprung up as a counter to my own (im obvtown as heck and everyone knows it) and feysals (probably maf, i'm liking how reg put on the breaks to that one, makes me want to push harder). Basically people were playing off the Zdenek v Thor encounter fueled by my own tunneling of Thor, but when I put on the breaks people didn't quite have the reaction time to realize the votes on him were never good. Jal was obvtown period. Thor just replaced in. All the votes on him just strike me as being GREEDY as hell. A Thor lynch in a game like this, preferably quicklynched before he could put up much of a fight? Man, if I were maf I'd be drooling at the prospect.

BB

WHERE R U BABE

pedit @ vox: lets go for feysal and see what happens. i like pandora im semi sheeping him.

[Timeater]

Actually I thought you were scum because of your atrocious play then realized how dumb and entitled you were (are) and changed my read accordingly. So at the start of the game I thought you were scum and midgame forward I changed it. Try again.

"I'm not scum because x people think I'm town" lol
"I dont realize what momentum is, adhom lala, my current vote is irrelevant lala so townie"

[Timeater]

Oh hey, I got a prod.

Again.

What else is new?

I am sick, tired and frustrated with the game, and thoroughly disgusted by Plumamma. Being called scum for not caring enough about my Starbuck case ranks high among the most absurd things I ever heard in mafia. So I should have revised my case over the past days? Way to ask for the impossible. There are only so many novel ways to phrase that Starbuck and Scumhunter spent their time doing absolutely nothing, and since the only time anything happened with the slot was early day one, then it is early day one I must base my case on. What the hell do they expect? I am not Moses, and I cannot draw water from stone.

Speaking of absurdities, watching this Thor wagon has been a constant experience of what-the-hell. No way I'm joining that, even to save my own life, even though I currently hate him for that speedlynch for yucks quip. You could not think of anything more discouraging to post, could you? Since seeing that I have done no more than skimming along. I don't much care to see what sort of abuse is in store for me in those posts I did not read.

Do ask whatever questions you may have. See if I bother to answer.

So what about me do I read maf

[Timeater]

keep those fat fingers typing furiously you need the workout

[Timeater]

Tammy you are literally the most overbearing player on mafiascum. You're just a drag. You wear everyone down. You dont play mafia perse, you just whine and wall and whittle your opponents down through sheer annoyance and lack of wanting to deal with you. As far as your opinions are concerned, I honestly dont give a shit. Here is the real deal this game - I start saying you might be scum and your first reaction is to start attacking me as a player. THAT is the mark of a weak player. So fuck you. You're ridiculous. I dont know what it is about you that rubs me the wrong way and brings out the vicious side of me (probably the overbearing super-entitled cuntish personality) but jesus you're annoying.

[Timeater]

mmmm lithium -__-

[Timeater]

*eyebrow*

You know better than to make ad hominem attacks as town, Timeater.

What is it with replacements in this game insisting on killing my townreads on their slots?

she started it mom

[Timeater]

So this wasn't even reaction-testing the easiest-to-rile-up player in the game? That's disappointing. (Would be useless anyway unless you wanted to gauge "how much she cares about scumhunting" v. "how pissy she gets with insults" and some town players hit extreme right on that scale

in any case

, so as most reaction tests--it sucks.)

I don't care if she started it. You know how Maf.Maiden turned out. And yes, I'm a fine one to talk about that game.

Tone it down, will you? This is a game, there's no need for that attitude. Save it for postgame if it's so important to you.

I took a mood stabilizer okay

[Timeater]

Jal obv. town is something I totally don't see considering her pushes on almost conf. town, after they were almost conf. town.

Examples of this?

[Timeater]

Jal obv. town is something I totally don't see considering her pushes on almost conf. town, after they were almost conf. town.

Examples of this?

Jal 1044 - Snowstorm after the mason claim.
Jal 2118 - D. Edd after he'd just dueled scum.

not buying it really...though maybe i need more context, idk

zdenek can you share your reads on everyone else on the thor wagon?

[Timeater]

bit of a non sequitur here

Does everyone agree that we are dealing with 4 man scumteams, where currently the Stannis faction has 3 players left and the Aegon faction has 2 players left?

[Timeater]

Rereading the first few pages there is Feysal's dreaded 'multiball slip.'

Does it still hold up at this point in the game?

I'm gonna say yes

Pedit:

------------------

I know for a fact that Faraday would never:

1. Have uneven scumteams.
2. Have multiball teams larger than 4v4

Read Chrono Trigger neightborhood qt if you doubt me.

[Timeater]

What were they?

[Timeater]

Ohh yeah well if he was scolded maybe he learned his lesson. Anyway I got the impression from him that scumteams should usually be balanced.

[Timeater]

holy hell regfan is stretching with his desperate attempts to avoid the feysal wagon

feysal is mafia he gets all huffy and puffy when he's caught scum like this

he hasn't played a town game in the slightest

hold fast men

[Timeater]

Investigate Magua
Investigate Lyana
Vig Regfan on a scum feysal flip otherwise dont

[Timeater]

oh and vig mini

[Timeater]

if feysal flips do not hesitate thanks bye

[Timeater]

this is a good vote. also wont rly be around to post this week but ill try

vote: magua

everyone iso this shadow demon
pedit: stop autoclearing reg

[Timeater]

why are people voting av

and not someone like bbmolla or magua

[Timeater]

vote: bbmolla

iso:

by post 100: nothing but trollscumbbmolla filler-fluff
by post 300: nothing but trollscumbbmolla filler-fluff
by post 500: nothing but trollscumbbmolla filler-fluff

his first real post at #849 (800 posts into the game he finally makes a decent post...or is it?)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4295464

bvoigt is town btw

kortul is useless scum

yea okay

[Timeater]

higher the troll factor the more likely he's mafia

[Timeater]

shouldnt he be dead?

[Timeater]

So, I have an X-Shot Protect ability that I can only use on myself. I used it last night. Could answer for a missing kill. Not going to tell you how many shots it has.

Going to vote Bvoigt

lolwut

[Timeater]

im obvtown as hell, mad???

clear bbmolla with a paragraph please thanks

magua too

[Timeater]

also sign your posts so i know when the smart head is speaking thanks again m8

[Timeater]

unvote: vote minimum

[Timeater]

prod received

yo didnt I say i was going to be vla

nice wagon on the vla guy

good job guys grats well played smart move not scummy at all

ill post in a moment

[Timeater]

AV why the hell you buddying up to me all our time together and yet you dont cite one post of mine? Seems like a way of covering that up. You cant have your cake and eat it too. You've been buddying me hard.

[Timeater]

-Q: has anyone seen Timeater as scum before? CES and I were staunchly in the Starbuck-town camp early on, but we're reconsidering given the slot's inactivity, TE's wonky reads and uncharacteristic lack of engagement, and the lack of better places places left to look. In retrospect, Starbuck's first posts were pretty scummy, actually, and a lot less emotional than what little I've seen of her play. The VT claim still seems needlessly bold for scum that early. Question for TE: you called yourself obvtown. Why specifically do you believe you're obvtown here?

So your response to my vote on you is to write a humongous wall? lol? THE SLOTS INNACTIVITY? I SAID I WAS GOING TO BE VLA FUCK OFF WITH THIS "INNACTIVE" BULLSHIT YOU FUCKHEAD. YOU ARE A FUCK. FUCKING RUDE.

Why do I think I'm obvtown? I dont think, I know. My play has been solid as shit. Examples? Umm every single one of my posts. Like I screamed at Regfan earlier, I towntell like a motherclucker.

Look at my wiki for scum games, also I recently played a scum game as cult leader and I sucked ass. But I partially blame the setup and my partner (;P) but yeah, I think my scum play is pretty easy to read imo.

~Fixed quote tags

[Timeater]

Bottom line: even one mislynch can make a difference. You don't want to be that mislynch!

Well I'm not going to be at the moment.

The shitty incoming storm on me is definitely un-nerving.

Still don't even know how to read you, all the easily read players are dead.

My read on you was partially the result of me not reading your entire iso lol

[Timeater]

Right, well. I think if Timmy was scum who just waded in and claimed, he wouldn't have fucked it up and softclaim something that someone else has already claimed, since he would have been provided with a fakeclaim. I don't see the reason scum would ditch a fakeclaim like that, especially not when you've just replaced in.

WTF IS THIS I THOUGHT MY PREDECESSORS WERE SCUM BUT HERE IM TOWN?

[Timeater]

i am going to spam post atm, I dont really have time to be all concise and make a huge wall. ill be responding to things as I read them.

kortul is seriously pissing me off with his pseudo intellectual spock-esq way of playing but he's probably town. shit, he's one of my only STRONG townreads aside from pandora. there are people i recognize as town due to role reasons e.g reg and bb, but I dont want them to be ;-;. plum is town. everyone else is like meh.

i dont like magua at all, but he's town according to plum for some esoteric reason so whatever

av recently has started to tick me off, I havent really read all of what happened with his "slip up" concerning tierce you know what imma read tierce right now

[Timeater]

Actually decided to ISO Zdenek cuz I'm whimsical like that.

The only reason Timeater might be town is the early VT claim, which is a pretty risky move coming from scum, I still think lynching him is fine.

"He might be town but lynch him anyway" Uhh okay???

As far as the other wagons on Thor and Timeater go, I'm pretty happy with both of them, so that's all good.

>Up to this point he's never gave a real read on me but once the Thor|Timeater dichotomy was set he's all like sure "lynch Time lel"

There's little chance of AVox being lynched today. You and Timeater are both scum reads too. Frankly, I don't care all that much which of scum reads gets lynched, it looks like it will be Timeater, but it's probably more productive to vote you at the moment.

??????? "I only go on wagons who have a good chance of being lynched, Timeater is my scumread but I wont vote him or have never really expressed any sentiments of him possibly being scum so I'll keep my game-changing vote on Thor (who is like L-Million)

Vote: Zdenek

/tim out

[Timeater]

Can someone explain to me why Regfan is conftown? The whole double-voter thing aside.

Another thing that bugs me generally is the tendency to feel the need to "link someone to a scumgroup" - that line of thought is scummy as hell. Like its a prerequisite in order to lynch someone. I find that line of thought really troubling.

Lynch scummy people

, period. If there are

hard

facts that get in the way of lynching that person probably being scum, dont and look at someone else.

@Kortul

- I haven't been able to give this game the attention it deserves, you must understand. I still haven't sat down and gave it a good read, thats sort of an all-day commitment for me. I am trying my best though. Something is troubling me - in your recent post you note that you think I am probably town. If this is the case then why is your vote still on me? I disagree with your assessment that my scum and town games look the same. As scum I am very dismissal, very scummy, very lazy. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=22999 is a relatively short game where I am the only mafia player in the game for the majority of it until I die.

@Reg/Max

- Whats troubling me about your analysis is of me its completely outside of what I have been doing. Re-assess your town reads and take another look at my behavior. I've been really busy. Notice I've been barely posting on the site, if at all. This is a huge difference from the normal timeater. I haven't even gotten around to playing xcom ;-;. Read Behind The Maiden - you know Tammy and I loathe each other. I dont see how that is outside myself at all and I dont see how thats enough to jusitify any sort of read on me. You usually can read me so easy its no problem and we never clash. This isn't the case this game and its troubling me alot.

@Tierce

- What about Zdenek? Also can you help me and list all the hard facts / role related stuff that have occured in the game so far? What I mean by that is what people claimed what, as far as actions and all things etc. Since you say you are going to tackle the beast perhaps you could do this for me and add a bunch of links to all the relevant claims and hard information?

[Timeater]

I don't think that a single reasonable point has actually been raised against me.

FYI this is insanity and patently untrue.

[Timeater]

In other news note the drop in activity from AV when the pressure is off.

[Timeater]

I don't think that a single reasonable point has actually been raised against me.

FYI this is insanity and patently untrue.

no example?

Why? So you can quibble minutiae? Several people have levied multiple valid points against you and your blanket dismissal is leading you into obvscum territory.

[Timeater]

I think that every point that's been raised against me is stupid or false.

Honestly this feels like a rather constructed thing to say. Its so over the top and blantatly arrogant it feels like it was made with the purpose of cementing the concept of a hard-headed character. It doesn't feel rooted in reality. Is Zdenek that disconnected? I say no. Speaking from personal experience, this is just the sort of thing I'd say as mafia.

[Timeater]

I think that every point that's been raised against me is stupid or false.

Honestly this feels like a rather constructed thing to say. Its so over the top and blantatly arrogant it feels like it was made with the purpose of cementing the concept of a hard-headed character. It doesn't feel rooted in reality. Is Zdenek that disconnected? I say no. Speaking from personal experience, this is just the sort of thing I'd say as mafia.

Hey scum, if that wasn't just bullshit rhetoric you would have given an example.

>Give analysis on one of zde's posts
>He uses the fallacious logic of saying that because I did not give a specific example of a point raised against him in a prior post the analysis I just raised is invalid.

Also: cherrypicking

[Timeater]

BB NO. BAD. LAZY.

Aegon are probably on me.

Not that I really know that much about this game to make that assessment but eh.

[Timeater]

This day is still going on. -_- I refuse to take part in this mockery of a votecount. STOP VOTING TIMEATER FFS HIS SLOT IS TOWN. What is wrong with you people? It's like you have ADD and you've forgotten the last five days happened and are settling for stupid wagons on idiots instead of looking for the god damn scum team! Either of the other two wagons would be better then this.

thanks breh I appreciate your patronage.

[Timeater]

Good morning everyone! What a wonderful day it is to be alive and see another two Lannister pawns who no longer are. I am so sorry to find you all talking as if I was no longer here though. You must have so many questions on your minds, but you cannot have forgotten. Or has it not occured to you to just, you know, ask? I may even answer if I deem it harmless, or if I believe it to be more useful in hunting the other team.

As a token of good faith, I have a couple freebies.

Once I saw the "flip" I checked the Traitor role on the wiki, and was a bit confused by it, too many possibilities of who knows what. Has anyone seen Faraday using traitors before? If yes, was the main team aware of the traitor, and did the traitor know anything about his teammates?

I have not seen him use traitors, but there is a game we both played in relevant to what you want to know.

And for Regfan, the message I got with my first prod was, paraphrased of course,

Reek, Reek, it rhymes with... actually it does not rhyme with prod at all, but you got one anyway, Theon!

it just felt too good to be right

Hey. You. Just so you know, even when you are right, you are dead wrong. It would not surprise me to learn you were Aegon aligned, and desperate to save your only surviving ally. I hope you are town though so I can spit in your faces when

Timeater inevitably flips scum.

Don't even think about asking anything either.

24 posts left.

lol yeah lynch who the mafia tells you to, smart tactic i hear

good job guys, xD

[Timeater]

@Reg/Max

- Whats troubling me about your analysis is of me its completely outside of what I have been doing. Re-assess your town reads and take another look at my behavior. I've been really busy. Notice I've been barely posting on the site, if at all. This is a huge difference from the normal timeater. I haven't even gotten around to playing xcom ;-;. Read Behind The Maiden - you know Tammy and I loathe each other. I dont see how that is outside myself at all and I dont see how thats enough to jusitify any sort of read on me. You usually can read me so easy its no problem and we never clash. This isn't the case this game and its troubling me alot.

I know you've been busy but that doesn't change the fact that your replace in 'claim' 'oh its been claimed' 'i towntell hardcore' is forced and the carry on from that was you insisting Tammy was mafia for reasons I can't comprehend then having no reaction whatsoever to her flipping town. (And I know you loathe Tammy, thus why in my previous post I said your aggression and hatred back and fro with her was genuine but that's the only thing so far by you that I can see matching your town meta). But lets look at it another way, you're stating AV is 'lurking' after pressure dropped on him, stating that you find him scummy for it despite him actually posting quite a lot in the 24 hours before you post and also stating that he's planning rl honeymoon and other rl busy things, so him being busy and inactive due to rl obligations is a scum-tell but for you it's not? It's a stance that makes no sense coming from your point of view if you're town. Literally none and your scum-hunting and town-hunting this game has been all over the place, there's no thought process I can follow. In mafia behind the maiden your reads and paranoia while wrong was understandable, here it's not.

When I first saw this I thought to myself "oh god another trademark Reg paragraph, facepalm". Okay so lets tackle it. So your points -
1# My first posts were "forced" (weak shit)
2# My read on Tammy was incorrect (weak shit)
3# What I said about AV (sort of random, but valid. i didn't read that AV said that.

Grats AV <3 <3 <3

)

4# You say that all my scum hunting attempts were bad (Um okay, sure. (i disagree though) - But realize I still haven't read the game.)

So to go over it most of it is pretty weak. Its all meh and you know it.

I am pleading with you Reg. See reason. How long have you been playing this game? Months? Accept that you are wrong man. Accept that time can warp your reads. The Regfan I know does NOT have static reads. The Regfan I know should be able to read me and not be lead along by this utter shit wagon.

[Timeater]

Trying to read this game for real atm, I'm sure there is some super-obv thing the people in the Dead QT are screaming about. Theres gotta be ;-;

[Timeater]

Thor what are your reads on Magua and Plum?

[Timeater]

Why is Plum likely town?

And why did you have Magua as town?

[Timeater]

Has Tierce been confirmed by anyone

[Timeater]

Plum, how and when did your scumread on Mini change?

[Timeater]

What faction is "Victarian" is he a good guy or bad guy

[Timeater]

greyjoy eh

[Timeater]

Has Tierce been confirmed by anyone

Tierce is obv-frigging-town by anyone's reckoning. (Maybe not Magua's, but he is the Gate and the Key and I can forgive him based on that.) (Oh, and Zdenek's, but in this game it's a point of pride to be called scum and tunneled on by Zdenek for days on end.)

The more I skim, the more I want to vote Timeater from his play alone. This does not match the behavior I know from him as Town. But I still want to read and I spent today catching up on errands. Will try game + meta tomorrow. Will dearly appreciate not having more Thor v. anyone walls. That means you too, Magua.


PEdit: Seriously these questions are BULLSHIT. Go read up, if you are aware that people's reads are changing, read the goddamn game instead of asking them to repeat themselves or spend time discussing people who are Today's wagons. If you wanted to make yourself truly useful, you would have labored yourself out of the wagon days ago, not make stupid questions now.

I didn't ask if you were conftown by your play miss

[Timeater]

Am I making you nervous?

Tierce: "I dont care I'm lynching town, look at me I'm so frustrated guffaw" ...uh huh

How is my point of not asking if you were conftown by your play BS?

???

[Timeater]

Tierce has this thing in this game where she is talking down to just about every player in the game.

[Timeater]

No, seriously, fuck it.

Justice

mode engaged.

AurorusVox. It's DAY FIVE. You chose to replace into this game. You are not pulling your weight, you look like caught scum, and your wonderful 3-page zen lasted all of three minutes.

THREE MINUTES. To do what you think is your best shot at catching scum. Then it failed and you decided to sheep someone instead. Wow, I am really impressed.

That is how much effort you have supposedly put into a 132 page game.

I don't even care anymore. You are a liability even if you are town. Please don't offer to replace into games if you just can't be bothered. I thought that what Andrius pulled in AFFC (was it?) was bad form, but you are taking it to a new level. Huge decrease in my respect for you as a player. Whatever your team, you are not playing to help them. If you don't have the time/the patience/the availability,

don't play mafia

.

Eat rope, don't come again.

[Timeater]

Fine with massclaim. Would like Regfan to define the order (or at least the start of the popcorn chain, if we are doing it that way), since I trust his claim result to be a better town-sign than hoping and praying to the Seven that PlumNacho aren't deceiving us all and flip scum at the end of the day.

[Timeater]

No, I'm not nervous, you idiot. I'm sick and tired of this game that is 140 pages already, I am legitimately SICK, I am typing with a remapped space bar because mine broke, and your play is disgustingly fake and scummy. I'm frustrated as all get out. Nervous? No. I was not replying to 3521 in 3522, anyway.

I'm sorry your sick, that sucks. Please point out where I've been disgustingly fake and scummy.

[Timeater]

Isn't it your job to present evidence on me right now for being disgustingly fake and scummy? What with that vote n' all? Or is it you cant be held accountable for your actions because you're sick? (understandable, understandable)

1. I casually throw the question out there if Tierce has been confirmed by anyone (vaguely remember her wagon, was wondering if anything came of it)
2. She states she is obvtown because everyone has an obv town read on her
3. I state thats not what I was asking for.
4. She starts to get all CAPS RAGEY "

JUSTICE

" mode on me, and out of the blue states I've been disgustingly fake and scummy.
5. I ask for when I've been disgustingly fake and scummy
6. She cheekily retorts with

vote me fly-boy

Okay then.

[Timeater]

oh its just an overview

where the heck is that wagon i thought you claimed why cant i find it ughhh

[Timeater]

How am I bugging you when I am very simply (very simply and very nicely) asking you to back up your instaneous scumread on me?

[Timeater]

instantaneous*

[Timeater]

I am I imagining things then? Didn't you claim? Why cant I find it. Have I officially lost it?

[Timeater]

So you justify your "disgustingly fake" read on me by quoting a post where you imply that I was sneakily trying to distract you from reading my posts by managing your time and knowing your personal schedule? (lol??) + You inanely lecturing me/deflecting as a justification for not doing something that would be inherently pro-town while not really saying I'm mafia at all "it doesnt fit with Timeater-Town" + some babble that doesn't really make sense + more preachy-Tierce (like I said, you have this habitual tone of false authority this game) Oooookey dokey.

No rest for the wicked.

Vote: Tyene Sand

[Timeater]

Also just so you guys know,

Tierce is obv-frigging-town by anyone's reckoning.

and

Tierce is town because you need to present some evidence that she doesn't rage at people as Town

@pedit plum, nah breh thats cool

[Timeater]

Hi Pandora. Would you say http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4433471 is fair?

As for the whole preachy thing, its just a tonal read. As far as I'm concerned Tierce doesn't get off on telling people how to play, she's hardly a super arrogant player. I see it as a minor quirk in playstyle to adjust to being scum. Its easy to make excuses for your play when you speak from a position of automatic authority. Its a small thing really.

[Timeater]

...yeah, I'm done with this BS. Just make it stop. I'm to the point where thinking about this game and about Today makes me rock back and forth with a really haunted look.

Don't care anymore.

VOTE: Timeater

Also just to re-iterate it for everyone my position is I think Tierce just put a really bad and scummy vote on me (L-2 atm). When I asked her to justify herself she was evasive, made excuses, and responded poorly and in a tone that I dont think befit the situation. Combined with her hyper-defensive position of her own towniness, her general tone of superiority which does not match her meta (for more on this I would just read her iso), her feigned (I think) unawareness of how I actually post, and the way she tried to justify her read of my play being "disgustingingly fake and scummy" by saying she's frustrated at the same time so that justifies her charged language/makes it okay.

[Timeater]

Sorry about the lack of activity, work and a few of my obligations have finally quietened down so I should be able to spend a lot of time on this game. If there's anything anyone wants me to specifically look into at this point then best to let me know within the next day or so.

Do very much think Tierce has a point re; Salas reads list, they're manually typed and while I don't think he thought about it in depth before putting it together there's a good chance he put scum in similar spots inside the lists and I'd bet all generally in the middleish to bottom of the lists. I know that in DEFCON3 where I was scum and made a read list posts where I stuck Vi/Pooky/LLD/Gamma in positions like that and it wasn't 'random'.

Going to take a look at the Thor vs Zdenek wall battle in more depth later as well as look at 4nxietys 'points' about Zdenek and Minimums on Thor.

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Timeater, I know this'll turn into a 'paragraph/wall' but please read it and respond, [re; Post 3470] 1) The early posts being forced isn't exactly weak though, it's all related to the manner in which you attempted to claim. I remember in Kdubs game Faraday and I had auto-strong-town-read on your predecessor for unprompted claims and information revealed and your replace in partial claim then progression onto stating you realized that your predecessors has already claimed all looks forced and looks like an attempt to work into the meta you think I hold about claiming. I don't find any of that or your thought process about it natural at all. 2) It's not about your read on Tammy being wrong, heck you having a wrong read is probably more of a town-tell than a scum-tell but that's besides the point, the issue I hold with it is your lack of reaction towards her dying and flipping town, it's not what I know of you as town, you're reactive to flips and information, there's none of that re; Tammy at all. 3/4) Then read the game, excuses of "I haven't read the game thus my scumhunting can't be bad" really isn't going to help you at this point, it's months into a game (You're right about that part at least) and we need stances, reads, opinions backed by information revealed in the thread, if you're just jumping around reading a quarter or less of the thread and posts then you're useless. So if you want to change my mind about your slot then actually give me something that can do as much because right now given how Scumhunter lurkerlurked in the thread and hates being scum and his play matches it and Starbucks lack of engagement in the thread points to scum I have a lot of trouble stopping myself and everyone from lynching you.

[Unrelated to that post your push here on Tierce at least is wrong, I'm fairly confident she's town and her 'talking down' to people and 'raging/wanting justice' isn't a scum-tell at all, especially not in this game which has been incredibly frustrating at more than just times. I can sympathize with her attitude and emotions about that a lot. I hate hate hate hate AV"s play up until his recent wall and if there were a lot of mslynches available and I wasn't committed to the game I'd have lynched him for the sake of it but everything points to his claim being legitimate. When Tierce said you were being scummy/forced she wasn't talking about you asking if she was confirmed via non-play, you're misrepresenting her when you state as much, she was talking about your earlier useless questions about Victorian ect.]

1. Please go over your reads of Plum and Tierce and specifically look at their voting patterns. Also please look at Tierce

critically

.

2. The whole Sala-list thing feels weak. Is Salamence that retarded? I'm sort of interested though.

3. Please do go over Thor v Zde. I tend to just roll my eyes and skip it when I see it, I haven't had the willpower to actually read the babble going on there. But to be fair Zde is the bigger babbler. He is completely unreasonable in the aspect that he always has a comeback and will never concede any point (a generalization Zdenek, please feel free to list a hundred such occasions you have done so this game, thanks).

4(1). There was no attempt...I just did. I have no clue what your specific meta policy is on claiming. And I dont really understanding what you are saying here. Can you be more succinct you're becoming a mastin.

5(2). Embarassment? Schadenfreude? When I read the flip I may have uttered something not so nice to myself under my breath about her but thats about it. I didn't feel the need to comment on it and tell everyone how wrong I was and be all tragic.

6(3/4). Take Tierce for example? Take my initial reaction to Thor? Take my interactions with Zdenek? I've made my stances rather clear I think and I've tried to scumhunt in my way from the point in time I joined the game up untill now. I believe most of the points I made were fair, just that they aren't being heard or read due to apathy or "oh, timeater, mehhhhh" I'll comment on your Tierce bit in a sec.

[Timeater]

[Unrelated to that post your push here on Tierce at least is wrong, I'm fairly confident she's town and her 'talking down' to people and 'raging/wanting justice' isn't a scum-tell at all, especially not in this game which has been incredibly frustrating at more than just times. I can sympathize with her attitude and emotions about that a lot. I hate hate hate hate AV"s play up until his recent wall and if there were a lot of mslynches available and I wasn't committed to the game I'd have lynched him for the sake of it but everything points to his claim being legitimate. When Tierce said you were being scummy/forced she wasn't talking about you asking if she was confirmed via non-play, you're misrepresenting her when you state as much, she was talking about your earlier useless questions about Victorian ect.]

You act as if the "talking down" point is one of my main issues for voting Tierce. I've specifically said its a small part of why I think she's mafia, its not my main point. Okay sure, you empathize with her about AV but do you also empathize with her instantaneously declaring me hardscum after I was shotgun posting? And once being calmy questioned about it being extremely evasive and cheeky? Take her recent post for example, everything she quoted there is entirely valid. She is saying I somehow misrepresented her position in A; when I was more or less directly quoting her. B; directed at Pandora with the intent of trying to get someone on the outside to look at our little spat while explaining my read on her, thats apparently misrepping (???). And C; my clarification stance and position on her as to avoid further post-wars and potentionally walling - thats a misreprensentation. Ummm? Am I missing something here? Is everyone just so apathetic and worn out by walls that this sort of blatant scumminess gets a bye?

When Tierce said you were being scummy/forced she wasn't talking about you asking if she was confirmed via non-play, you're misrepresenting her when you state as much, she was talking about your earlier useless questions about Victorian ect.

How would you know what she was specifically talking about? I dont think she made that clear in her post.

No, I'm not nervous, you idiot. I'm sick and tired of this game that is 140 pages already, I am legitimately SICK, I am typing with a remapped space bar because mine broke, and your play is disgustingly fake and scummy. I'm frustrated as all get out. Nervous? No. I was not replying to 3521 in 3522, anyway.

I dont see how this follows with "you asking if she was confirmed via non-play" - Where have I said as much? Where exactly have I been unfair? Point it out to me. Please clarify.

[Timeater]

Ah. I see your point (I think...). But I dont see where I've ever said or made a big deal of her 3522. Its more of the post surrounding the vote that I find compelling. Its more of the way I kept asking her how I was quote "disgustingly fake and scummy" and her continued evasiveness.

[Timeater]

Didn't see any more posts from Timeater that feel town (or at least genuine). Just extra pages to the thread to read

this is just really unfair

[Timeater]

STANNIS THE MANNIS PREVAILS

THANKS FARADAY