Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[DeasVail]

/confirm

[DeasVail]

I think he means that confirming by PM with the thread locked is better.

[DeasVail]

I know who I'll be voting for when the game starts...

[DeasVail]

Alduskkel is always like that. Doesn't mean he's scum.

Why does this not have an opinion on Alduskkel this game?

[DeasVail]

sunman is badman

I love this slogan.

[DeasVail]

Wutlolski?

[DeasVail]

VOTE: NumberQ

Also, sunman is badman.

And I don't like the rubik guy either.

PEdit: Well that was easy.

[DeasVail]

No, you?

[DeasVail]

Oh

Um....

I may think of something eventually.

[DeasVail]

Urgh, too many pages!

Sunman is badman because he was trying to be all chatty and town in the earlier part of the confirmation phase, but wasn't actually. I'm not voting sunman though, because Qman is evilman, not badman.

Does anyone know if xtoph usually does the defending himself hardcore thing?

Robo, I thought you were town, but your self-vote seems pretty unnatural.

And alsark is amazing.

D: but he doesn't like me! Well he's no longer amazing or town then. By the way, I thought I'd be voting for Alduskkel or however you spell it. And epic, that explanation would have been too obvious. Clearly, if I didn't want a sense of mystery surrounding my post, I would have just sad who I planned to vote for? Also, my meta = gets lynched as town. Ooo, and DeasFail is better.

And paschendale, it's the ones not worthy of much attention that are scum. Well maybe not always, but yeah...

Also he's kind of scummy, but I'm not sure about the thinking Alsark's claim was real thing yet. Eh, NumberQ is still a fine wagon anyway.

[DeasVail]

Actually titan, why are you being public with your questions to the other head?

[DeasVail]

To not be would probably be scummy though.

[DeasVail]

I'm not altering my natural play in an effort to appear less scummy (which would be what I do as scum and therefore legitimately scummy). So maybe?

However, sometimes I may think of something townish I can do, and do that.

[DeasVail]

Both I suppose.

[DeasVail]

What did you think it was?

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: NumberQ
VOTE: CombinatorialEnigma

[DeasVail]

This is bugging me as I don't get it and it's going to remain on my concesus for at least the rest of this RL day if not the the game day.

Why did you need to post this part? It suggests to me that you thought there was something wrong with asking the question. If so, what was wrong with it?

[DeasVail]

Because I don't like pying into reasons behind other people's townreads

Is there a reason for this?

[DeasVail]

Hmm, I'm not really buying it. I can understand why you wouldn't want to ask

for

the reason behind another player's townread, but I still can't understand the hesitation to point out a possible flaw in someone's already provided reason behind a townread, and I don't think your explanation really matches with it.

[DeasVail]

Vifam, if you don't vote for me, I'll have a townread on you, deal?

[DeasVail]

With Rubik it was the Noir vote and the Nacho suspicion retraction for me, but I've actually ISOd him and kinda agree with Pandorica, so...

Unvote: Combinatorial

Sunshine:

Where did Pasch say he was kidding?

I would probably vote Cheery Dog here, but

Vote: Vifam

[DeasVail]

what are you doing

You can't make a deal without leverage.

[DeasVail]

lol vifam

[DeasVail]

confirmation bias or scum?

[DeasVail]

Hmm ok.

Unvote: Vifam

Vote: Cheery Dog

[DeasVail]

That was really strange DeasVail.

In a good way or in a bad way?

[DeasVail]

Really I just decided that voting Vifam was not going to get me anywhere else.

[DeasVail]

oh i was talking about the vote on vifam/find me town thing not switching to cheery that was fine

Yeah... it was more of a "let's see what happens" kind of thing.

[DeasVail]

Deas might just be high but that doesn’t make him scum.

I'd be interested in why you think Faranex is scum by the way (even if the other head doesn't agree).

[DeasVail]

Why does you having replaced out make it iffy?

[DeasVail]

Rainbows, I unvoted him because Pandorica suggested it and it's not like there was any point after getting his reaction to it (since I don't really have a scumread on Vifam)

GNR's vote on me is probably the worst so far.

Paschendale, why is nonsense scummy?

I'll probably decide reads on everyone some time this weekend.

I don't really understand what was scummy about my vote on Vifam? I think I was pretty sensible only doing it temporarily, and still don't see how it was bad at all. Oh well.

[DeasVail]

Well it would've been useless to keep going with it, but ok.

PEdit: No need to worry. I'll come up with other methods if need be.

[DeasVail]

In that case it would also have been useless to start it in the first place.

Maybe, but not necessarily. Vifam's response was probably the most null possible.

[DeasVail]

What is your interpretation of the motive behind my vote on you?

[DeasVail]

In that case it would also have been useless to start it in the first place.

Maybe, but not necessarily. Vifam's response was probably the most null possible.

Feel free to explain what you gained from your temporary vote on Vifam.

Nothing really, but I

could

have.

Well actually no, this wagon me is quite luscious.

yay for altslipping

[DeasVail]

I still can't get over the Alsark vote though...

[DeasVail]

Unvote

for now.

[DeasVail]

Well yes, I suppose I support a Paschendale wagon.

[DeasVail]

Nacho, why did you vote for me?

[DeasVail]

Also, how did I suddenly transform from scum to easy mislynch?

[DeasVail]

But what was the point in voting me? I know I'm erratic, but I always have some sort of warped reason for doing things. Also the way you said I was probably an easy mislynch anyway doesn't really match with "I was never scum".

PEdit: I wouldn't consider that particularly alignment-relevant in Nacho's case, but maybe you're right, I don't know.

[DeasVail]

I don't understand how a modkill would be appropriate, but anyway...

I also think Nacho may be trying too hard to look town and unconventional.

Malpascp, what constitutes playing against your win condition is way too subjective imo. If someone just plays badly can they be modkilled? Claiming scum as scum could be a legitimate strategy.

I don't know, I want to vote buldermar on policy because of the claim, and I don't really click with him anyway.

Vote: Buldermar

[DeasVail]

Will you unvote should I unclaim?

Yeah probably.

PEdit: Do you think the claim is a towntell?

[DeasVail]

Buldermar, why aren't you unclaiming?

[DeasVail]

Nacho, I have seen town claim scum in RVS and stuff like that, but not as Buldermar did under pressure. I am unsure about it, and am confused as to how you could be confident enough to call my vote terrible.

I am less sure I want to lynch buldermar based on his recent posting though.

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Buldermar

[DeasVail]

To be honest mal, I didn't really care for the unclaim, I thought that him asking that question was kind of townish.

LLD's claim had a point to it though, but I'm not really interested in buldermar anymore anyway.

Maybe buld, I thought some people voted for you though. Just claiming scum when no one suspected you would be a towntell in my opinion.

[DeasVail]

Well me being town is true, so it doesn't really matter.

[DeasVail]

ActionDan too?

[DeasVail]

Well maybe, I don't really care if my point was logical or not.

I get easily stressed as scum though fwiw.

[DeasVail]

I think buld's play was fine there honestly, but I get lynched a lot so people probably shouldn't listen to me.

[DeasVail]

I'm sorry

[DeasVail]

He'd have to be going for the: "I'm going to do something that everyone is saying would be scummy so they think I'm town!" thing though.

[DeasVail]

Robo, getting me all worked up shouldn't be your idea of fun.

[DeasVail]

The only way I'm seeing it is that malp really thought buld was scum. Whether this means malp is scum or town I don't know, but I don't think he's not more scummy for it.

PEdit: Well yeah, I didn't get what malp meant by me giving him the chance to unclaim. I just thought that because he even asked that question he was less likely scum. That would be the one thing that was maybe scummy. Otherwise, he doesn't seem that scummy to me though.

[DeasVail]

The first 'he' is buldermar.

[DeasVail]

I know this is a controversial opinion, but I actually love torgonitoh.

[DeasVail]

The only way I'm seeing it is that malp really thought buld was scum. Whether this means malp is scum or town I don't know, but I don't think he's

not

more scummy for it.

PEdit: Well yeah, I didn't get what malp meant by me giving him the chance to unclaim. I just thought that because he even asked that question he was less likely scum. That would be the one thing that was maybe scummy. Otherwise, he doesn't seem that scummy to me though.

[DeasVail]

He didn't try to analyze it or anything that maybe it can be coming from a town but just started getting riled up and pushing for his lynch.

towntell

[DeasVail]

Please don't. (@Porfervor)

[DeasVail]

Maybe, but I'd rather not lynch him.

[DeasVail]

/defends Cheery Dog.

[DeasVail]

Ok.

[DeasVail]

Ooohhhh.. I get it.

[DeasVail]

Eh, I still think Cheery Dog is town and don't recommend his lynch/vig. I don't really know what more I can say though.

[DeasVail]

I'm not really sure about Paschendale, but he's much better than Cheery Dog.

[DeasVail]

as a vote/lynch I mean.

[DeasVail]

he was a null read, but you were voting him because the conversation was putting him in a bad light and he claimed scum?
die scum die

That's what I did basically?

[DeasVail]

Hmm ok, I still think he's town not puting much effort in, and being pretty obvious about it.

[DeasVail]

why town?

That depends on the accuracy of my interpretation of his posts I suppose.

[DeasVail]

Hmm, anyone finding tazaro's posting town?

[DeasVail]

Tazaro, can I vote for you?

[DeasVail]

You obviously don't want votes, so why are you giving me permission to add another?

[DeasVail]

Oh yes.

[DeasVail]

I'm interested in other opinions. I'd be quite happy to lynch you just based on my own opinion though.

[DeasVail]

Heyyyyyy,

how goes it?

[DeasVail]

Is Tazaro actually responding to that a towntell or am I just seeing things?

[DeasVail]

The reason for what I was thinking, was:

Scum in Tazaro's position would probably be in "DeasVail is scum" mode, and would probably be all focused on giving me attitude/dismissing anything I say etc.

But that's kind of underestimating Tazaro-scum so I don't know.

[DeasVail]

Meta has always confused me any time I've tried to research it.

[DeasVail]

[DeasVail]

As you can see, plastic-DeasVail and I are quite different.

[DeasVail]

This probably more for my benefit than anyone else's, but anyway:

Town

Nachomamma8

Malpascp

Sunshine And Rainbows

Cheery Dog

Buldermar

Phillammon

torgonitoh

ActionDan

Titan

Robocopter87

Vifam

Noir

BT

(Some of the above are strong, others really weak)

Null/Weak Scum

xtopherusD-

Complete focus on defence in 62 is scummy. I find his pro-town-ness suspicious considering my own laziness, but this could be from town. Only a weak scumread because there's something about his posts that seems a little townlike, but I don't know if I trust it. Also, his reaction in 1162 makes me unsure.

CombinatorialEnigma-

His posts generally give me a weak town feel, but moving down to null because of the Nacho read retraction and lack of posting.

AurorusVox

Alduskkel-

Sunman is badman. (Gut)

Tazaro-

Can't decide.

SoraAdvent

Epic

BroodKingEXE

Zeta

Pandorica

Nikanor

NumberQ

Scum

Maenara-

Her vote on me is accompanied by a fairly bad reason, and she doesn't even give mention to the reasons others found me scum. I'd expect her to express agreement with them or at least mention them. Also agree with Pandorica and Cheery on the lurking thing.

Guy_Named_Riggs-

Really should be weak scum probably, but his vote really surprised me considering that he should know my townplay isn't exactly conventional.


~~

Epic:

Do you still want combinatorialEnigma lynched?

ActionDan:

Thoughts on Buldermar's scumclaim? Also, would like to know whether you intend to leave your vote on him.

Alsark:

What did you hope to achieve by claiming the vanillizer thing?

VOTE: Maenara

[DeasVail]

Uh... make that 262.

[DeasVail]

My wording was bad, what I meant was more focus on defending yourself than I would expect (and not as a % of your post).

[DeasVail]

Which post(s) did you feel were forced? I've got seven posts, three of which I used the posting quirk of a troll (Gamzee/Tavros, Nepeta, Equius).
The other four posts were a small comment on Vifam's remark, a request for Epic to stop being ridiculous, a similar request but with a hint more snark, and a joke about Noir's username/avatar, based on the comic.
The quirk posts are forced, but I'm not going to post serious things like a troll does.
The other four are how I talk? My friends say I speak almost too formally but with just enough sarcasm, so if you see that kind of posting, I'm just saying things as I would aloud.

[DeasVail]

I just want you all to know that I'm town.

What were you thinking as you decided to post this?

[DeasVail]

I am scared to tell you all to stop voting for Cheery just in case he's scum, but I'm close to doing it, if that means anything.

[DeasVail]

Well, I feel that saying something along the lines of:

"You should all stop voting Cheery now" does not accurately reflect the confidence in my read. The post above is more suitable.

[DeasVail]

Buld, why does it matter if I'm town?

[DeasVail]

Yeah, but I meant, why does Nacho's interpretation of that post matter if I'm town?

[DeasVail]

Oh, I reread it. I thought you meant unvote him in case he's scum, not you're worried in case he's scum.

He's not the leading wagon tho so why did you feel the need to say that at all?

I didn't need to. It was probably mostly because of everyone saying to vote Cheery Dog, with no one else really being against it.

Buld, I guess I was asking because it didn't (and still doesn't) seem very significant to me, and it's not exactly possible to question someone every time they disagree with you.

[DeasVail]

*every time you don't agree with them.

[DeasVail]

Taz, my wagon is kind of fail. It's not really helping you to be on it. Vote Maenara instead!

[DeasVail]

Who is Skyman?

[DeasVail]

I'll attempt to read Pasch/Taz:

-I have no idea what the Alsark vote means. Maybe slightly scummy just because scum are more likely to believe PR claims from who they know to be town? Obviously there are flaws with this.
-Hmm, leaning town on 657
-Posting after asking to be replaced seems kind of townish.

-What Taz used to FoS me was kind of bad.

I would probably compromise on Taz, but he's not really a scumread.

And Maenara is still scummy, so yeah.

[DeasVail]

Buld, just so you know, I like this red better. (I don't know if anyone else has said this though)

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Maenara

Vote: Tazaro

[DeasVail]

Explanation:

Although I have stronger scum suspects, I strongly doubt my ability to turn a large wagon around on someone who isn't even a townread and get everyone to join a wagon that only I am on. Also, you could be scum.

[DeasVail]

Was it the vote or the lack of explanation that made you sad btw?

[DeasVail]

Horrifical is word?

[DeasVail]

Vote: Maenara

for now.

[DeasVail]

Pasch was replaced by Tazaro who has flipped scum.

[DeasVail]

I'll get to this tonight.

[DeasVail]

Ok, so:

Maenara, I don't really see how setup spec helps scum since they know more than us anyway, but maybe I've missed something.

Sunshine, the redirection could have easily been what they did, although I don't know why they would have killed Noir.

Actually Maenara continuing to go on about setup spec seems kind of town maybe. Thoughts?

Hmm, just a thought, but could Alsark/Zdenek maybe be green scum? Pasch calling out Alsark for that roleclaim thing was really strange, so maybe it was Pasch attempting to distance with something that he knew wasn't going to get traction? I remember the consensus being that Pasch wasn't as bad as he appeared to be in this game, so this doesn't seem too unlikely to me.

Wait, maenara, was it you that brought that up? (Sorry, I'm really tired and kind of skimming, so I wouldn't be surprised if I read someone's post and thought that what's in it are my own original thoughts) If so, I like it!

Scumread on xtoph is returning. (I don't know if it ever went away though)

Xtoph: Regarding 1536, why wouldn't you just say that since we don't want a mislynch, we shouldn't lynch you?

Malp case seems decent. I'll take another look at him at some point.

Also, Zdenek, just so you know, I don't read quote walls unless I'm in a pretty good mood. This is my fault, not yours, but you may have wanted to know.

Sorry for not really doing anything. I'll update reads later.

[DeasVail]

You mean to tell me that if I were to say I would be a mislynch, you'd believe me and move on?

Saying it how I did meant that Zdenek and the rest of the players could read and see where I'm coming from. I phrased it in an objective way so that no matter who you believe is scum you will agree that Zdenek's comment was not actually helpful. Everything I said in that post is common knowledge. If I say "I am Town", that's not common knowledge (and therefore has no basis), doesn't help anyone, and is just as bad as what I was trying to call out.

Well as town, I'm not really going to care whether someone suspects me with little reasoning or suspects me with a case on the side. Scum probably do though.

[DeasVail]

The green team couldn't (at least I don't think so) have killed Pandorica, and if we're going by the redirection theory, then they were in control of two kills, being Epic and Noir. At least I think that's right.

But yeah, I don't think it's super likely, but not impossible by any means.

PEdit: But dogmans is goodmans!

[DeasVail]

I've been keeping up to date, but I don't really have anything to say. I'll make a decision on reads some time over the next few days.

[DeasVail]

I'm going to do some stuff now!

[DeasVail]

Well I support the malp wagon.

[DeasVail]

I don't really know who's bigger. I'm happy with wagons on either though.

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Maenara

Vote: Malp

This doesn't mean I want him lynched yet though.

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Malp

[DeasVail]

Because I no longer have the desire to lynch him.

[DeasVail]

Ok, I'm really sorry for not doing much this day, but I'm thinking that Malp is either a town superjailer or a mafia superjailer (and not another mafia role fakeclaiming). If this is the already the consensus, I apologise, as I'm semi-skimming.

In 2039 he says his role is jailer and that super is just the role name.

In 2103 he amends the claim to say it's an alien type of thing (I hope that's right).

This would be unlikely to come from scum completely fakeclaiming (I think they would just stick to one claim) and is much more likely to come from town/scum checking their role PM.

I am also against the malp lynch and think we should look for other lynch targets.

As such, I am going to try sorting out my reads some time today.

[DeasVail]

I think it's the Alien variant of Jailkeeper.

[DeasVail]

"Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien."

It's a JK variant, and I see it as very possible for town.

[DeasVail]

Vote: Zdenek

[DeasVail]

Why do we have to kill him now though?

[DeasVail]

I still need to start reading properly and really sort out my reads and stuff. This will likely happen over the next couple of days. Sorry!

[DeasVail]

DeasV while you're around could you care to tell everyone what you're thinking in your foxbrain

I think we need to kill the other fox.

Seriously though, why isn't there a wagon on him?

I don't want malp lynched. The Avox wagon isn't completely terrible but I don't really want him lynched either. I'm still against a Cheery Dog wagon as well.

A Maenara wagon still seems fine to me actually. I may get on it.

[DeasVail]

Is AV obvscum too?

[DeasVail]

DeasVail, I like your new hat.

?

This better not be some way of saying you think I'm scum.

[DeasVail]

Hmmm, do you think scum would be just as likely to check the source material as town?

[DeasVail]

Yes, but if something can't be town, it has to be scum.

And your stance?

You obviously don't agree that a non-zero chance of scum doing it = non-zero chance of town doing it.

I have maenara as a scumread, but I think jumping on her for this is...

[DeasVail]

Actually you have the deas syndrome where you feel the need to go against the majority to be original.

I have known about this problem of mine for a while now, but I think you're the first to mention it.

[DeasVail]

Oh and to Titan probably, I'm still not sure about Maenara. I think scum, but I always have low confidence in my reads, so if people are voting her for what I consider bad reason, I will say so. Should I not?

Vote: Zdenek

though for now.

[DeasVail]

I will take a look at Vifam.

[DeasVail]

Vifam's town. We're masons.

Ok. I won't take a look at Vifam then.

[DeasVail]

Town for now. I still need to devote more time to this game though.

[DeasVail]

Time to put on my old dusty thinking hat I think.

Zdenek:

254 is a pretty bad attack on Alsark from Pasch. So much so, that Pasch probably knew it was.

Zdenek's first few posts are pretty null. I guess I kind of get a gut scummy feel from his content dump and quote stripes.

1570- slightly scummy. The way it's worded (I guess the lack of confidence behind the statement) just seems strange because if he's town it doesn't really matter how accurate his statement is?

Calling Zeta obvscum seems exaggerated.

My scumread on Zdenek himself is pretty weak, although there's not much I find too townish about him. The main thing is Pasch's attack on Alsark which I think is the type of thing Pasch wouldn't dare to attempt unless on a scumbuddy.

AV:

First, can you please show us Vifam's posts that indicate he knows your role.

Overall I have a leaning town read on him. This is ignoring the role cop thing, which I'm just finding weird right now.

At the moment I'm also planning to look at Maenara/Brood, but I don't think I'll have townreads on either.

[DeasVail]

@DV its a natural reaction really, when getting pressured super hard with a PR you DONT want to claim, but know it would save your ass instantly. Ofc thoughts like "he must KNOW my PR thats why he wants me lynched so bad" come up. AV is 1000% fucking twon


DV its people like you, me, buldermar and others that have the same sort of "general" reads like Zdenek, Brood, and co being scum. We need to come together on someone, that someone is Vifam BECAUSE its so hard to build a case on him his slippery scummass. I mean he's not even riding a DGB wagon mislynch fodder, so you know he's playing it for the fucking long haul

oh right i was writing a post

I'm not going to vote Avox, but the main thing stopping me from Vifam is the DGB claim thing, which I'm not even sure whether to take seriously.

[DeasVail]

Jesus christ DV are you seriously attempting to join this shittastic wagon on me prompted by Fate & Friends.

Why are you heading to the dark side

Well Fate is most likely being too obviously manipulative to be scum, and he seems pretty sure that you should be lynched. I haven't voted for you yet though.

Also, I don't know what's going on anymore!

[DeasVail]

Maenara, do you actually think you're a sucky player?

[DeasVail]

Have you always thought this or is it just this game?

[DeasVail]

"You've been playing horribly. I've had to bus you to grotesque extremes. I can't even begin to describe how scummy you've made yourself look."

I don't mean to stir drama or anything, but I find this unlikely to come from someone with a low opinion of their own play.

[DeasVail]

Ideally I want Maenara dead first, because he seems like a more competent player (more likely to be a scum PR).

[DeasVail]

Yeah... I feel like everyone's received some sort of special PM that I've missed.

[DeasVail]

This should go without saying, but if I die tonight, lynch Mehdi. I have no knowledge of anything that should allow him to ascertain my alignment.

Mehdi, are you sure?

[DeasVail]

Oh, I can't believe I missed that XD

[DeasVail]

Please forgive me. I won't do it again.

[DeasVail]

Zdenek is probably my favourite lynch now then.

[DeasVail]

Zdenek:

254 is a pretty bad attack on Alsark from Pasch. So much so, that Pasch probably knew it was.

Zdenek's first few posts are pretty null. I guess I kind of get a gut scummy feel from his content dump and quote stripes.

1570- slightly scummy. The way it's worded (I guess the lack of confidence behind the statement) just seems strange because if he's town it doesn't really matter how accurate his statement is?

Calling Zeta obvscum seems exaggerated.

My scumread on Zdenek himself is pretty weak, although there's not much I find too townish about him. The main thing is Pasch's attack on Alsark which I think is the type of thing Pasch wouldn't dare to attempt unless on a scumbuddy.

[DeasVail]

I would be interested in being part of a townblock.

PEdit: All my other scumreads are weaker.

[DeasVail]

DeasVail I don't know about others but you're damn null to me.

Uh what?

[DeasVail]

I would be interested in being part of a townblock.

Zdenek is probably my favourite lynch now then.

lol

I don't understand your point.

[DeasVail]

Bumi, I don't see the problem. Everyone has posted enough that the amount of posts is unlikey to correspond to the strength of my read.

Vifam, I thought you thought I was town . What happened?

[DeasVail]

Oh, well I'm glad you find it amusing.

[DeasVail]

In all seriousness, why do people say Zdenek is town?

They're confusing him with me.

[DeasVail]

I have no idea whether Brood's claim is likely or not, but it's most likely at least similar to his actual role regardless of alignment considering his crumb.

[DeasVail]

Not lynching/shooting Vifam would be good.

[DeasVail]

Someone tell me why Fate is scum.

[DeasVail]

Deas have you given a read on brood ever?

I'll ISO him quick now.

-1362- contrived reason for thinking tazaro scum.

-Um, the rest of his posts aren't really too enlightening to me, other than maybe a slight scummy feel. Nothing I see that is that townish. My read really depends on the claim, which I have no idea about. I think that the ring crumbs indicate that he probably has a role associated with a ring (whether scum or town I don't know). Someone needs to tell me how likely a role it is and whether it would be a town or scum role.

[DeasVail]

BroodKing wagon is too mainstream

You could be a real hipster and vote for Zdenek...

[DeasVail]

How amazing is the reason? And you're right, I'm not opposed and I may even vote for him eventually.

[DeasVail]

Thanks.

[DeasVail]

Deas - who are your top town and scum reads? Why does it feel like you're still trying to play to an "I'm a lost townie" persona?

I don't really want to say my top town reads, although if you

really

want me to I suppose I could.

My scumreads are pretty weak (to the point where they may just be non-town reads), but I guess I'd say Zdenek's top because I feel like I have something solid on him. Broodking and Alduskkel would probably be up there somewhere too.

[DeasVail]

I agree it wouldn't be that bad, but I don't think it's very relevant as I'm not in any danger (as far as I know) of getting lynched, and neither are any of my townreads, except maybe Fate, but he's not a very strong one and I'd probably be willing to listen to reasoning for him being scum.

Also, I think I will end up voting for Brood, but the claim is something I'm still not sure about, and I'd like more posts from him.

[DeasVail]

I'm pretty sure I felt ok about things Day 1, but since then I've been lazy and haven't considered players as properly as I would like. At the moment it's not really low confidence in reads (which it would be otherwise) but because I don't really have proper reads. I feel pretty good about a couple of my townreads and my read on Zdenek (although I'm not at all confident in him being scum, I have a proper read on him at least), but the rest of the playerlist I haven't really looked into other than just reading their posts as I see them.

I have decided now though to put the effort in and I'm hoping this won't be another empty promise. I'll be pretty busy over the next day or two, so maybe I'll get a bit done now, but after that I'm pretty free so I won't have an excuse.

[DeasVail]

By proper read, I mean that I am satisfied that I have considered his posts well enough for my read to be reasonably close to being the best I could have on him at this time.

That's a really bad explanation, and I don't know if I can really, but basically it means I have read his posts well enough imo and have considered the possible scum and town motivations behind is posts to a degree that I am happy with.

And I guess also that I have something on him that I feel is concretely scummy.

I'm saying I'm not confident because I don't consider the likelihood of him being scum as high as other scumreads I've had in previous games.

I'm sorry this is all really bad, but hopefully you can make something out of it.

[DeasVail]

Bumi, are you an alt/have you had much mafia experience?

[DeasVail]

By alt I meant alternative account.

[DeasVail]

Brood, would you be surprised if someone had a townread on you?

[DeasVail]

I'll begin to sort out my reads today.

[DeasVail]

What happened to the brood wagon? I was told that would be the right vote too...

[DeasVail]

So I'm reading now. If someone wants to summarise the scummy things about Sanjay, they can. Otherwise, I can probably find it myself, so it's no biggie if no one does.

[DeasVail]

It's posting time!!!!!

So first, let's get a read on Sanjay.

Well I'm kind of liking him to be honest. 2399 is a post I find pretty townish for example.

One thing though, is that there seems to be a bit of complaining about how no one finds Nacho scummy, while not seeming to make much of an attempt to get him lynched.

But then, in 3368, he says he feels like he's said why Nacho is scum, when I don't think he had at all really by that stage. I consider this townish because I think scum would be more likely to notice that they hadn't explained the nacho read, and more likely to provide it if they realised they hadn't.

Also, I find CE scummy.

Overall, a weak townread, so I'm a bit opposed to his lynch. I am planning to sort out my reads on other players now, so I will probably find the main reasons for Sanjay-scum, but considering my read on him, a little extra convincing may not hurt.

[DeasVail]

Oh and before someone accuses me of Deas Syndrome regarding Sanjay, remember Brood and how I didn't go against everyone on him.

Some Form of Townread

Nachomamma8
AurorusVox
Sunshine and Rainbows
Buldermar
Maenara
Titan
Shinori
Zeta
Mehdi
Vifam

Null/Weak Scum

Aldusskel- I stand by what I said about his early posts having a scummy vibe. Posts such as 2043 seem very slightly townish to me. After this, I still find some things slightly scummy, but there's a point where I suddenly start finding his posts townish, so maybe he should be under town, but I've decided to leave him here.

Phillammon- So he was null-maybe town until 1265. Why would you be happy to called scum if Taz's reasoning is good? Then he's null-maybe town again.

DeltaWave
BroodKing
Zdenek

Unvote: Zdenek

Anyone not listed is someone I still want to look at.

[DeasVail]

Zdenek: Being accused of scumminess is something I'm fine with, even if people are wrong, so long as they bring reasoning. I can argue with reasoning. I can't argue with AtE and foundless accusation.

See, this kind of thing theoretically is how I believe scum would think, but I just don't know here...

And I'm kind of weird as town, so that doesn't really help things.

[DeasVail]

Although that is self meta, so getting an outside opinion would help.

Ok, I think you're scum now.

[DeasVail]

Vote: Phillammon

I'm still not sure whether this is a Phill thing or a scum thing, and self-meta is what I'd expect from town, but I see no reason why town would think an outside opinion would help. Why would he be untrustworthy? The most likely thing to me is that he's scum trying to be all reasonable and stuff, while it's not something I see town actually saying because they'd know that what they were saying is correct so wouldn't need a second opinion.

[DeasVail]

You two are doing it wrong.

If you want me to vote for Sanjay, convince me.

[DeasVail]

I feel like I am playing a completely different game than DeasVail.

I honestly cannot discern what he is doing. In my mind we moving rocks and boulders whereas Deas is playing in a sand box making mounds.

What should I be doing that I'm not?

[DeasVail]

Mehdi, what changed your mind on Sanjay?

[DeasVail]

Bumi, can you explain your problem with me please? Something more specific than "I don't feel we're playing this game the same way" would be amazing.

Vifam: Maybe... but I actually think Phil is scummy so...

[DeasVail]

Vifam, why is Fate scum?

[DeasVail]

DeasVail if you keep up with the indecisiveness I'll be forced to decide for you.

How does that work?

Also, no to zeta lynch.

[DeasVail]

Mehdi, it's because I feel that his push on Malp was very much like him as town, and I know him to lurk a bit as town (although admittedly he probably does lurk more as scum but I don't really have much experience with him as scum)

Also I have info that moderately indicates him not being scum. As in, he could still be scum, but it makes it less likely.

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Phill
Vote: Fate

[DeasVail]

My reason for voting Fate-scum is probably not as strongly based upon the Sanjay thing as with others. It's mostly the fact that I don't really townread him, which is odd.

[DeasVail]

And that should be Fate, not Fate-scum.

[DeasVail]

I like Philla for scum. Sanjay I'd only go for if there is indeed an incriminating result.

[DeasVail]

Wait, so there isn't a guilty?

[DeasVail]

I remember getting an opinion on you overnight. I believe it was that you were an acceptable shot. How does that make you feel?

Dejected, miserable and hopeless.

Can someone tell me why ActionDan is town?

[DeasVail]

You guys are a special bunch

Don't you want to be special too?

[DeasVail]

To be honest, I'm not really sure about Nacho, but something on Day 1 made me think he was town and I guess I'm just hanging on to that.

[DeasVail]

By the way, during the night phase someone gave me a hat, anyone wanna confirm?

I don't know if they'll want to, but I know who it is.

[DeasVail]

- it roleblocked everybody and you somehow found out you were roleblocked, even though you had already used your role

It didn't roleblock everybody.

[DeasVail]

I am Liv Tyler, VT.

[DeasVail]

Wait, then how the fuck do you know who hands out the hats?

Magic.

(The one that gives the hats hinted at it)

[DeasVail]

Well at least I think I know who it is.

[DeasVail]

That might explain why I couldn't kill him. And since the zdenek role blocking/protecting everyone theory is not true I can at least confirm the claim.

I don't think it really matters though, because bulletproof mafia makes ok sense with all the kills, and he'd probably only claim this if he was BP town/mafia.

[DeasVail]

Why does the massclaim have to be put on hold though?

[DeasVail]

DeasVail, I like your new hat.

I had forgotten all about the hat at the time, so was confused, but Night 2 (I think) I realised what this must have meant.

PEdit: Well I'll just post it again anyway, in case it was too subtle.

[DeasVail]

Oh and that also explains why I was saying I thought Zeta/Quil was likely town, but not necessarily.

[DeasVail]

There is no elaboration.

[DeasVail]

Deas, please do correct us if we are wrong. Let us know if you starred in Con Air opposite Nick Cage.

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about Homestuck.

I know I'm a bunny and I'm from another world and I want to protect some guy called John. Oh and I don't have my toys anymore. Someone's taken them.

[DeasVail]

This is either insanely lucky, pretty decent ignorance feigning, or legit. Because obviously the main problem with Liv Tyler as a Vanilla Townie is what happened to the Hammer of Ballyhoo and Crosshairs of Ahab or whatever they're all called.

Can you explain this to me?

[DeasVail]

I feel like quite a few of us were hovering over the fact that Liv Tyler is a pretty bizarre character to be a vanilla townie. And then lo and behold you produce a post addressing exactly that.

Oh. Well that's convenient.

And S&R, all I know is that I'm here to protect him.

[DeasVail]

This is all too confusing. I'll catch up tonight.

[DeasVail]

Ok, I've read, but I'm still confused.

Has the Mehdi/Maenara issue been resolved yet?

Also, Mehdi-scum does not necessarily = Phill scum.