Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[Cheery Dog]

/comf our rm
And possibly other information

[Cheery Dog]

Hey can we not do the thing where we post ten pages before the game starts.
Thanks.

Who is up for doing 20?

[Cheery Dog]

So half your hydra is scum?

[Cheery Dog]

Can you do that to the scum?

[Cheery Dog]

Gah I'm going to end up catching up a lot with this game - too many pages happen while I sleep - and I don't even see any problems with stuff in there that people haven't already questioned.

and who actually is sunman? Can we actually go by usernames where possible because I'm damn confused.

[Cheery Dog]

oh wait Alduskkel, I haven't been looking at the avatars that much, I'd still rather actual usernames though. (in case someone decides to change a avatar to be even more confusing)

[Cheery Dog]

However, sometimes I may think of something townish I can do, and do that.

Is it really "hmm I can do this townish thing" before you post or "hey look this post is townie" after you post?

[Cheery Dog]

This is bugging me as I don't get it and it's going to remain on my concesus for at least the rest of this RL day if not the the game day.

Noir...did you not realize that Titan and Arthur were part the same people. Probably makes you townies for that actually.

How does not realising who is posting from the wrong account make him more town?
Especially in a 30 (35 if you include that the people hidden behind hydras) person game.

I get that it should be obvious since Arthur had quoted all of his posts with the hydra head, but I'm still not sure how that makes him town.

[Cheery Dog]

This is bugging me as I don't get it and it's going to remain on my concesus for at least the rest of this RL day if not the the game day.

Why did you need to post this part? It suggests to me that you thought there was something wrong with asking the question. If so, what was wrong with it?

Because I don't like pying into reasons behind other people's townreads, but the reason given with this one struck me weirdly.

[Cheery Dog]

Unless I don't personally have someone pegged as probable scum, it's likely I can see what reasons that sombody has for being town.
My townread's (in this case Titan) other townreads (noir) are usually people that sit at 'town until further notice' or I see as town themselves, since they're not under attack, there is no need to be asking about another player's townreads.

[Cheery Dog]

good as any at the moment.

VOTE: Comvinatoriall

[Cheery Dog]

actually cheery dog does look fucking terrible in light of mini 1368. it's like he hit his head or something

I'm fairly sure I started that game being award as well. My whole day 1 was full of shit.

hurry, someone give me a quick and dirty rundown

Practically nothing has happened.

[Cheery Dog]

awkward*

now I feel more awkward by missing letters in writing awkward.

[Cheery Dog]

Oh cheery dog - I spelled that wrong it was supposed to be that it made him townier as I had a leaning town read from the post. Still it stems from me thinking that scum to pay attention to things a little more and given our hydra a town read but call Arthur bad reads town to me. Why did you pick up on that for being a strange reason to give someone a town read and not me giving porfevor a town read for making me laugh?

because I skimmed over the post saying that you found them town. I asked about Noirs because the game had slowed down and I kept wondering about it.
had I looked over that post about 5 times I probably would have ended up asking about it as well.
As of now, it doesnt matter, because I have actually got the same feeling regading porfevor

[Cheery Dog]

ISO Pasch and laugh. Please just do it.

unvote, Vote: Paschendale

I don't think I need to iso him for that to happen.
UNVOTE: ]
VOTE: paschendale

[Cheery Dog]

can you stop posting before you get vigged for being retarded?

Why does it matter if he is vigged?

[Cheery Dog]

Why does me not being vigged become problematic?
We'd be better of lynching me than vigging me (or the best option is to not kill me at all)

[Cheery Dog]

In games this size and this early, who is found the most scummy is probably mostly random, even though were well past rvs

[Cheery Dog]

I was going to not respond, but then doing that annoys me.

The not needing to iso was about the laughing.

[Cheery Dog]

Bah myultiquote failed, and now since I don't have the scum claim quoted won't use either of the quotes I tried to multiquote, and the second one will not even matter a out was going to be a pointless question anyway.
UNVOTE: VOTE: buldermar

[Cheery Dog]

Bah myultiquote failed, and now since I don't have the scum claim quoted won't use either of the quotes I tried to multiquote, and the second one will not even matter a out was going to be a pointless question anyway.
UNVOTE: VOTE: buldermar

you just earned yourself a permanent spot on the scumread list

Such a pity I'm not scum then isn't it?

[Cheery Dog]

Nacho called him town.

Why do Nacho's reads mean they are the truth?

[Cheery Dog]

you get the bullet tonight

nah you want to get scum with that, not me.

[Cheery Dog]

Any of them will do, if possible all of them

[Cheery Dog]

specifics idiot, im trying to actually gauge a read out of you

If I actually had names to give you, I wouldn't be voting the person that claimed scum.

I guess I can give you people I'm reading null. - some of these may have slight town points, but not enough to be removed from this list. and I'm not actually sure about all the hyrdas, but I guess they are safe for now.

Spoiler: It's a long list

2. combinatorialEnigma
3. Nachomamma8
4. AurorusVox
5. Alduskkel
7. malpascp Strider
9. Paschendale
12. buldermar
13. Phillammon
15. ActionDan
16. SoraAdvent
17. Maenara GaryOak
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
24. Guy_Named_Riggs
26. Nikanor
27. numberQ

[Cheery Dog]

who are your scumreads

I believe I just stated I didn't actually have any as such; therefore I have not deflected your question, I have just unable to answer it exactly how you want.

[Cheery Dog]

okay follow up question

why dont you and if you stand by your latest post then not only are you contradicting yourself but you're also terrible at making sufficient arguments

fine I'll put some effort in. maybe.
be back with the answer you are after in approx 3 hours depending on how bored I get.

[Cheery Dog]

Yeah it's not going to take 3 hours, I seriously don't feel up to analysing that much as it will just give me headaches full of paranoia (therefore divide the time I said it will take approx by 6)

2. combinatorialEnigma - from games they've died in, I believe I can establish that they like to post fluff as town, I have no knowledge of their scumgame.
3. Nachomamma8 - on pasch "scummy as fuck" to "town as fuck" from two posts in a row - this gives me bad vibes.
4. AurorusVox - ISO tells me nothing
5. Alduskkel - Hasn't posted since confimation stage, confirmation stage posts aren't telling me much.
7. malpascp - I fail to develop anything here, I can am seeing both sides of this story.
9. Paschendale - Votes have been bad, unsure what to make of his replace out, will wait for replacement for more information regarding this slot.

unvote buldermar

- Looking back over what he has written, I think he might be town now, but then again I did skim his posts as went I try to reread them I just go "bleh", the red font isn't helping.
15. ActionDan - Mostly gut says this is plausible, nothing is really telling me logically either way.
16. SoraAdvent - another completely nothing file, hooray.
17. Maenara - the most nothingest possible..
21. BroodKingEXE - and another pretty much nothing I can't do anything with
24. Guy_Named_Riggs - compeltely nothing here, vote on DeasVail doesn't seem useful
27. numberQ - and finally we arrive to another slot without content, one I will expect will need replaced at some stage (along with probably the other completely nulls)

people missing from this list are my townreads, and I'm not going to give reasons for them, probably won't either. (I did decide to move some off the null list I gave before)

Ok, my main scumreads are Paschendale & Nachomamma, given that Paschendale has now gone to be a replacement, I will go the secondary option unless I see something better.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

@porfevor, yes I haven't been scumhunting that hard so far this game, and this probably still doesn't mean much, but there you go.

[Cheery Dog]

You just voted Nacho for bad vibes right after Nacho accused you of being scum

UNVOTE: DeasVail
VOTE: Cheery Dog

Seriously. This is the wagon.

I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.

[Cheery Dog]

Ohhhh. Fox and the Hound?

Now, Cheery Dog is always going on about not prying into people's town reads or the reasons for them... However, he himself has effectively listed 17 people he finds to be more Town than Scum - in a way, his town reads. He has refrained from posting the reasons behind it, so there's a positive there...
Besides, it's completely non-committal. Cheery Dog's "reads" are essentially "

Null

: People who haven't posted;

Not null

: Everyone else". Cheery Dog?

I've just seen I'm still voting Vifam
UNVOTE: Vifam
But until Cheery Dog doesn't answer to this, my vote doesn't yet belong anywhere.

What does that last line mean?

It's impossible for me to not have anything but null when people aren't posting. There are pewople I listed that have been posting which are still in the null category.
and I am seriously having second thoughts about my townread on Titan, the way in which he just changed his read of me looks wrong.

[Cheery Dog]

Also, you didn't respond to the first part of that post. Why are you posting against asking about townreads here before willingly (to the extent of "in your next post after being asked") posting your own??

I have nothing against people stating their townreads, and find that is in fact helpful, however giving the reasons for the townreads I believe is more useful for scum.

[Cheery Dog]

and I am seriously having second thoughts about my townread on Titan, the way in which he just changed his read of me looks wrong.

I saw/realized something that changed my mind about you.

Which was?

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think I've heard that view before. I always have thought that posting who you think is "towniest" just gives scum an idea of how to cause the most damage with their night kill. Why does town want to know town's townreads??

Also... If knowing people's townreads is helpful to the town, why did you post a nulllist and not a townlist?

To catch scum that change their views of people wildly, the most damage factor is why I don't really like asking for reasons of a townread, but people having the town reads out in the restrict how well scum are capable of mislynching people.

I was asked for my opinion on acceptable vig shots, I started with the null list as I figured that was easier to work with (I didn't realise I had as many town reads as I actually did after I posted the list)

[Cheery Dog]

If I feel it is required for me to give reasons, then yes, otherwise no.

I was dayvigged recently in another game by someone I didn't believe, and since that happened I am currently believable of those who apparently claim vig.
I will lower my null list when it gets possible, currently there are too many inactives to get clear reads.

[Cheery Dog]

I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.

"hi nacho is scum for calling him town and then calling him scum"
"oh wait nacho is scum, i was wrong when I called him town"
GET OUT
YOU ARE SCUM

oh yeah and the fact that you find me scummy for doing what you did (except I actually gave reasons for one of my switches, I think)

I never called you town, I had thought there were some good vibes from somewhere else beforehand (but I think it might have been someone else's post) which is why you were in the null list and not out by yourself in a scum section.

[Cheery Dog]

What kind of situation calls for you to feel "required" to give reasons? What drastic thing would have to happen for you to decide that you want to attest to your read??

Either them becoming a large lynch target, or me nearing lynch (or twilight after I'm lynched)

What do you think of Nacho?? Is he good or is he evil? Give me two words. The first will be "He's" and the second has to be four letters. There, you don't have to make a decision on how to say it, at least.

he's cake?

Spoiler: because I don't like listing to suggestions of how many words I should type (however actually answers your question)

The line above my vote should help

Ok, my main scumreads are Paschendale & Nachomamma

Also my confirmation stage post which states that half of Titan is scum, I'd be happy for them to be lynched as well

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think it is a doubly aligned hydra, just I'm picking up scummy vibes from one head while towny vibes from the other.
I had given them the benefit of the doubt earlier, but them the random switch from defending me to saying I may be scum just put me over into seeing the whole hydra as possible scum.

[Cheery Dog]

Titan hasn't actually changed their vote, it's just a strange change to reads.
The half-scum was originally a joke, however it has become serious now.
The confirmation stage is still apart of this game, even it was all mostly joking.
That is not the only parts where Titan has posted that I have been slightly suspicious, these were not posted because the game had moved on by the time I read them and the "good" head had changed my opinion of that slot by the time I got to the lastest page at that stage they had become a town read. (around the area that I asked about the townread someone had of Noir)

[Cheery Dog]

I just realized that Nacho who was recently voted by Cheery Dog is also on the infamous null list. Hilarious.

Did you also notice that I said I didn't have any true scumreads at the time of posting the null list? Yeah that helps.

And I voted you at whatever that time was because
1. You had claimed (and unclaimed) scum, I have no idea why you were doing this.
2. The whole conversation at the stage was putting you in bad light.
3. You using red font is annoying.
3a. This is because I am used to all players using black.
3b. When used in large quantities it makes reading more annoying.
3c. It looks awful when quoted and annoys my eyes even more when I switch from reading black>red>black>red

[Cheery Dog]

How did the joke become serious?

It became serious because I actually started considering Titan possible scum. If I am considering someone possible scum, all my interactions with them become more serious even if they weren't at the time.

And how do you know that Titan's Rational Head^TM won't come along and change your mind again??

I don't, that's the fun trying to figure out the alignment of a hydra. (and if the rational head does change my mind again, the question will have become a joke again (you can still consider it a joke now if you like, but in my mind it's currently a serious question)

So do you think that Titan is scum? This is a yes/no question.
If yes, why is the two-headed dilemma so vital two being up? If not, why did you say that you would be "happy for them to be lynched as well"?

Yes.
and I don't understand what else you are asking here, so also yes to that.

[Cheery Dog]

I brought the dilemma up to show how I was deriving my reads.
That one spot which made me start heading in the opposite direction isn't something that can move a town read into a scum read, it by itself is not actually that much out a scum tell

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery Dog #968 looks lazy (especially the reason for suspecting Nacho) and is bad to begin with because he's doing some weird PoE thing that is usually done by scum. Handwaving no less than half the damn playerlist as town doesn't help his case since it's another scum thing.

Why is being lazy a scum tell?
What makes someone be able to go from completely different levels of fuckdom because of one post?
What is actually wrong with discoounting half the playerlist as possible day one lynches when it's obvious they're not going to be the day 1 lynch? I am not going to whittle my way through 29 other players when most of them have done nothing at all suspicious. If they do happen to do something suspicious (like Titan did) then they can be brought out into the open and investigated further, otherwise they are best left to do their own thing with the people who happen to be the possible day 1 lynches. When we get down to less players (and if I'm somehow still alive) then I will have a complete opinion on everyone, at this stage I find putting aside the better half of the playerlist is a good idea.

[Cheery Dog]

What makes someone be able to go from completely different levels of fuckdom because of one post?

Uh?

That's another way of wording what I have as my nacho case, I'm trying to see how weak you actually have that case pegged as.

What is actually wrong with discoounting half the playerlist as possible day one lynches when it's obvious they're not going to be the day 1 lynch? I am not going to whittle my way through 29 other players when most of them have done nothing at all suspicious. If they do happen to do something suspicious (like Titan did) then they can be brought out into the open and investigated further, otherwise they are best left to do their own thing with the people who happen to be the possible day 1 lynches. When we get down to less players (and if I'm somehow still alive) then I will have a complete opinion on everyone, at this stage I find putting aside the better half of the playerlist is a good idea.

I thought they were your townreads? Are they 'not possible d1 lynches' now?[/quote]
I'm just using different words for the same thing - if I develop a townread of you during day 1, you're generally not going to be someone I push for a lynch during said day 1. I figured wording it that way may have made it easier to understand, I guess not. It's very probable that I've placed some scum into this category by mistake as my analysing skills aren't up to naming a complete scumteam based on a few posts.

[Cheery Dog]

PEdit: Fair enough, he could do better obviously, but it wouldn't be the first time some dumb gimmick poster was town (in fact in my history the vast majority of gimmick posters were town but whatever) and his content isn't actually scummy as far as I can tell

Being a gimmick is not a towntell, the vast majority of everyone is town in the history of games.

I'd say something about it being hilariously easy for scum to lurk, as per usual in large themes, but that might not go well with me having two posts on fortyseven pages. Oh, woops, dearie me, I guess I said it anyway. So, yeah, let's have all us inactives vote for the prominent stupid people, as opposed to the silent stupid people.

You replaced someone who never picked up their role pm, this self-consious of you being a lurker because you've only posted twice is just weird, and saying it in these way is just plain weird, although it doesn't actually really help me get a grasp of your alignment.

[Cheery Dog]

I pressed the Q+ button before reading your post, I did read your post before I posted, but I felt the reason why I pressed the Q+ button was enough to have it questioned twice.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery Dog - "I don't see problems in this thread except what people have already questioned" This implies that he has scumreads, or people that are asking the questions he wants them to and thus should have people to sheep. But instead it's just an excuse for not posting anything. Burn it with fire.

Responses were generally good to those questions, therefore those people questioned became mostly town.

good as any at the moment.

VOTE: Comvinatoriall

Didn't you just say I should be have been sheeping people after that last quote? Yes you have a problem with me actually doing sheeping here..

Hmm ok.

Unvote: Vifam

Vote: Cheery Dog

this is so town that I had to let out a hearty chuckle
oh deasvail
they should make a sitcom for you
and your towniness

So because you've played with Deas before with him doing this sort of thing as town, me doing the same post on a wagon you haven't declared full out war on (see above & below quotes you have of my posts) quote) makes me scum?

ISO Pasch and laugh. Please just do it.

unvote, Vote: Paschendale

I don't think I need to iso him for that to happen.
UNVOTE: ]
VOTE: paschendale

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
...a lot.

Going to recede for a while ...

you do that, it won't help ease any suspicions I have of you though.
Which are actually about level with those I have on Nacho, since you have the bigger wagon and one that may actually go somewhere today.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Tazaro

UNVOTE: DeasVail

Was mostly bullshit reasoning anyhow. I just needed a convenient scapegoat on whom to focus my attention while I tried to get in after skipping most of what was before I replaced in.

Why did you feel the need to vote someone after replacing in, and why do you need someone to have focused on?

[Cheery Dog]

There is such a thing as useful spamming?

[Cheery Dog]

My read of Nacho yesterday still stands.

VOTE: Nacho

[Cheery Dog]

I think I see both reasoning with both the Maenara and the malpascp wagons. I don't actually have anything new for Nacho-scum (still only the scummy as fuck then town as fuck, now with added bonus of pasch flipping scum)

Not really seeing the reason behind the xtopherusD wagon, unsure about the AurorusVox wagon and am totally unfazed by any of the ones that currently have 1 vote (besides the one I'm sitting on)

[Cheery Dog]

I don't actually have anything new for Nacho-scum (still only the scummy as fuck then town as fuck, now with added bonus of pasch flipping scum)

cheery all you are doing is keeping me alive
and that is bad for your team

So you are scum and my reads are right?

Otherwise you being alive would be a good thing.

[Cheery Dog]

also changing my avatar for a little while to force people to read my posts.

impersonating the mod, kill it!

[Cheery Dog]

Wait what. Who are you?

[Cheery Dog]

Looking at the two top lynch candidates I think malscalp is more scummy. The scummiest thing I see about Avox is his very weak Tazaro push(that is non-existent Tazaro push). malpsacp is far more scummy as he has soft defended confirmed scum multiple times and never voted for buldemar who he was flipping out about for confirming scum(still have no idea wtf that is about).
VOTE: Maenara

Aren't I currently the second biggest lynch candidate in terms of votes on me?

[Cheery Dog]

Is that how it works, I just some here and do this

Spoiler:

Nacho so which is more likely? The reasoning he's pushing shows a good amount of thought and looks genuine to me.

i agree he is town as fuck
my wires just got crossed a little

Looking at the two top lynch candidates I think malscalp is more scummy. The scummiest thing I see about Avox is his very weak Tazaro push(that is non-existent Tazaro push). malpsacp is far more scummy as he has soft defended confirmed scum multiple times and never voted for buldemar who he was flipping out about for confirming scum(still have no idea wtf that is about).
VOTE: Maenara

Aren't I currently the second biggest lynch candidate in terms of votes on me?

obvscum

Lol, too many Ms UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: malscalp
@Cheery I was talking about the consensus in the thread. From a quick feel I think that they are the most considered candidates. I personally haven't seen anything scummy of you.

obvscum

Unvote, Vote: malpscp

obvscum

and it's therefore correct?

(spoilered because I think it is a stupid thing to do)

[Cheery Dog]

Three.

if we base this off the people whose posts you just quoted, why aren't you voting any of them?

[Cheery Dog]

i was voting one of them for a while
but now i'm voting town

And you voting town benefits town how?

[Cheery Dog]

I'm going to do some stuff now!

sounds like a good idea. I may have to join you in doing stuff.

Dammit nacho, you were meant to answer my question as it was there to be town hunting you, now I'm left we the continuing belief that you're scum.

[Cheery Dog]

I see this game has home back to getting nowhere.

[Cheery Dog]

Or why didn't anyone said anything about that.

I would say it because it's obviously a joke.

UNVOTE: nacho
VOTE: malpascp

[Cheery Dog]

UNVOTE:

Mehdi's sudden vote left a bad taste in my mouth

And none of the other sudden votes do?

btw, V/LA means Vacance OR Low Activity. I would daykill everyone to voted m based on V/LA shit.

I think you'll find you mean Vacation or Limited Access.

I don't think anyone has voted you because of V/LA shit, we may have voted you and accused you of lurking during it, but I don't recall any votes especially because of the lurk.
(btw I recommend putting up the V/LA tags, much easier to notice than having to find the last vote count with mod information about V/LAs)

[Cheery Dog]

would you complained it if he gave flavor justification?

When all the roles here have flavour, yes it requires flavour justification to be believed.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm not sure, is he at L-1? I'd prefer not to have a selfhammer happen (withholding even more information from us, if that's even possible) so
UNVOTE: malpascp
Officially but not for intent.

I believe you just put him back to L-3 with that unvote.

[Cheery Dog]

There should be no reason for you to be turned off by the claim here.

It's because Nacho himself is scum

[Cheery Dog]

@Cherry: no, I doubt that. My post comes off a bit forceful so if he's working off gut alone one might think that for about 2 sec. For nacho to post that signifies he hasn't thought for more than 2 secs.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but I have a scumread of Nacho, therefore I believe it to be why.
Though I have been trying to hunt him as a possible town seeing as everyone else seems to think that is what he is, but I haven't seen any town motivated answers come out from my interactions with him yet. (he seems to be playing to how I gained townreads on Robo and Deas, but I expect different from Nacho)

[Cheery Dog]

Which part of my post do you need explained more?

[Cheery Dog]

especially the part where my differences make me scum and not playing differently

That doesn't actually have anything to do with why you are scum, it's just why I'm not reading you as town.
I've only completed one game with you so far, so meta arguments aren't even going to work. However I just can't see you being a lazy townie (who also seemed to have put some effort in during day 1)
Heck your interactions with the flipped scum are almost as telling as Malps. (especially if Malp flips lime green)

[Cheery Dog]

@Medhi, I think I may have overstated since it's actually mostly bad interactions with malp, but there are still these.

Unvote, Vote: Paschendale

Welp, that was scummy as fuck. And it means that I get to start reading the game.
But today is going to be an amazing day and is going to involve lots of drinking, so I do not see myself staying sober enough to play mafia for long.
See you guys sunday.

Unvote, Vote: DeasVail

damn shame, but the pasch is town as fuck
not rereading today, I guess

and only one post where he interacts with paraday before tentatively placing him in his scum reads after placing his other buddies in the town list.

TOWN:
buldermar
DeasVail
TAZARO
Vifam
Titan
Epic
Skyman
Robocop
Porfevor
Wutlolski
Malp
Sunshine and Rainbows

SCUM
Alduskel
CHEERY DOG
Brood
Faraday? Maybe?

obviously there are more townreads than scumreads
don't lynch my townreads
will probably be down for whatever the fuck else

fuck I'm using an assumption that malp will indeed flip lime green scum.
dammit, Nacho isn't today's lynch anyway.

[Cheery Dog]

It's a jailkeeper. Only the role name is "super".

Any flavour as to why you your role is called "super"? and what it being super is about?

[Cheery Dog]

Curious where cheery got all roles have flavor (sounded like he had long flavor) when mine was fairly short.

Mine only has a line of flavour, which is still a lot more than what malp has given us.

[Cheery Dog]

HAHAHAHAHAH
WAIT YOU ARE VOTING ME WHILE ASSUMING MALP IS FLIPPING LIGHT GREEN SCUM
AND YOU ARE VOTING ME BECAUSE OF MY INTERACTIONS WITH LIGHT GREEN SCUM?
OH WAIT BUT YOU WERE VOTING ME YESTERDAY?
BUT YOU KNEW FARADAY AND MALP AND TAZARO WOULD FLIP LIGHT GREEN THEN TOO?
get out
get the fuck out

No. (I wasn't convinced of malp scum when I voted you)
No. (I'd still do it even if Taz had flipped town)
Yes. (I didn't know Pasch was indeed scum then)
No. (this doesn't need further explanation)
No. (neither does this)
You. (or this)

Also you quoted the wrong person.

[Cheery Dog]

notice how he responded when I initially attacked him. he started to go into bullshit effortposting try-hard mode, but everyone fine with him doing whatever the hell he was doing before, so he just hard tunneled on me for bullshit reasons instead

Notice how your attack didn't make me do that.

(hint it was Porfervor)

[Cheery Dog]

sorry, i was reading, saw your explanation, got distracted
and that makes it worse, you know. you saw i was gaining support from the guy WHO CLAIMED HE HAD A GUN, and you started pulling that bullshit

No you were giving support to them.
Don't try to twist how those posts were laid out to get an advantage.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm talking about yesterday, you know, where nacho started

pushing

on me.

[Cheery Dog]

despite reading nacho scum enough to vote he has NOT ONCE PUSHED NACHO'S WAGON OR TRIED TO SELL IT TO OTHER PLAYERS how are you helping town if you're town man

and nacho votepark today was lol when he did jack shit to push for nacho's lynch like i said. you don't leave your vote down on somebody who isn't commonly seen as scum unless you're gonna be aggressive about it

I'm not an aggressive player, you'll just have to deal with what you get out of me.
My wagon pushing is that, vote parking. It was also there while I was trying to work out other scum reads. (cause if you notice, I practically had none from day 1).
I don't see the point in hard pushing a wagon most others are calling town early in the game, especially in a large multiball like this game is.

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ok now that the details about the role have come out, I'm good with looking for a different lynch today.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: combinatorialEnigma
This guy will do

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Is it scum intent or just could be scum intent?

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goddamn people who never think about why people pretend it's twilight :/

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well generally it should be the person "lynched" saying something.
When they don't get a chance to talk before the mood is spoilt, of course we're not getting anything meaningful.

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No I actually expected it to be spoilt with the next votecount. But you could have waited for it, and malp would be bound to post in here again eventually.

Though there would likely be some people who did actually get confused by it.

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That was with an actual hammer with the Day 1 lynch though.

I'm actually reading Fate more town from his response.
(and null with Titan, and aldusk scummy points for stopping it)

no I can't link to it because people always ruin the mood by pointing out that it wasn't actually a hammer, I can link to a Dayvig's killwhere it identified someone as town though which is almost the same thing. (ignoring the fact they ended up lynching Rach day 2)

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K, at the moment only problem I could is black scum roleblocking malpa if they have a RB to make sure he dies, but whether they'd do it (when it'd be fairly useless if he was scum) and could do it hampers that some. If he dies as town jailkeeper that'd at least confirm one team (likely black mainly since two RBs feels doubtful) has a roleblocker still alive.

I'd say it would be quite likely black scum has a roleblocker type thing, the 1- shot taz flipped with was global though, so if it's the same then noone would kill. (though another redirector would also work).

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How do people not vote this -_-

because they are smart and have worked out that I am town, unlike the people on my wagon. (except nacho who is scum and therefore has reason to want to lynch me)

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If we're wanting to vig malpa, we may as well just lynch him.
VOTE: malpa

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Do you know why I want to vig malpa? Him being scummy isn't the only reason (or I'd be voting him right now instead).

Yes I have read what your plan was, and the amount people are talking about roleblocking with it, it feels like that would probably happen anyway.

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And explain b more? Shooting someone who's going to be lynched isn't bad since it essentially skips one lynch and let's town look at the next (although I'd have to agree with it first).

The next could potentially be town as will, leading to a net result of two dead towns whereas you shooting a scum would lead to a net result of one dead town and one dead scum.

Both ways have equal chance of shooting town.

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Just iso'd AurorusVox for a glance. He posts like someone with a guilty conscience. Tiny little spurts. Isn't AVox more of a longer-than-average poster normally?

Does having longer-than-average posts translate the same from a normal sized game to a 30-player game?
Well since mine is different, I think it might be the case.

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I think I may have switched off when I was reading this originally, but

NO I'M NOT HERE TO GIVE READS AGAIN. I DON'T HAVE TO.

Why don't you have to give reads?

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Reasons presented for avox wagon suck almost as much as the ones given for my own.

If we're not going to be lynching map today, I think we should go this direction.

UNVOTE: vote: maenara

Recent posts seem as bad as previous ones. (can't give proper reasons until I get to the computer)

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Are Paschendale and Alsark on the same team?

Also, thank y'all so much for the spam. Was quite a lovely thing to read.

Where did Noir go? He needs to die too.

VOTE: DeasVail - Because we all know that joining the same wagon as two people you've just accused of being scum is a brilliant idea.

Seriously, though.

Noir needs to die here for some unexplained reason.

I warned you about the Noir, people. I warned you.

xtoph, your post was bad. Like, looking-for-arbitrary-scumslips-in-things-that-obviously-contain-none-of-such bad. That's real bad.

In other news, Deas still feels like he's trying to force a townread on himself by staging a humerously stupid (fake) townfight.

I'd say something about it being hilariously easy for scum to lurk, as per usual in large themes, but that might not go well with me having two posts on fortyseven pages. Oh, woops, dearie me, I guess I said it anyway. So, yeah, let's have all us inactives vote for the prominent stupid people, as opposed to the silent stupid people.

But not Taz. Because really, let's give him a chance to get lynched due to his own messes as opposed to those of Pasch.

For now, let's kill Plastic-DeasVail.

and this unexplained reason was apparently a warning about Noir.
Then we have accusing self of lurking after she had just replaced in.

UNVOTE: DeasVail

Was mostly bullshit reasoning anyhow. I just needed a convenient scapegoat on whom to focus my attention while I tried to get in after skipping most of what was before I replaced in.

Now then. Satisfied with DV; enough are vouching for his meta ATM that I'd be willing to let him live even if I had a decent scumread on him, which I don't. Wanted a link between Alsark and Pasch, but with both replacing out, I'm finding that hypothetical too pathetic for me to want it to be true. Got lots of townreads, but those are mainly the obvious ones. Don't like Phil, but think it might just be his usual style seeming forced to me - Can anyone vouch for him not deviating notably from the usual?

I do want Pasch/Taz to be scum, in spite of the guarantee from Nacho, who I got as strong town after his vigorous defense of DV earlier, and I'd be willing to default on a Taz lynch as matters are. Still, want to look at other options too. Noir needs to be vigged or otherwise killed, Vifam is not on my town-list due to his not provoking enough controversy, Buldermar is too controversial to not be a town-read at the moment, and what the seven hells is ActionDan doing? Like, literally. I'd like a description thereof.

VOTE: ActionDan

First post said that all the spam had been lovely to read, this post says she hadn't read it. Her vote of Deas had two posts of reasoning, and since practially everyone was now calling him town.
Still says Noir should be killed, yet hasn't given a reason for it yet, nor a vote in his direction. Calls Pasch/Taz scum and then goes and votes in a direction that hadn't seen any votes there yet. With Noir being a scumread that lasted past the bullshit reasoning, wouldn't he be the better person to start a new wagon on?

Realized I was deliberately trying to look town yesterday, which was stupid as hell. Will try to be less useless.

Alsark was acting real weird before he replaced out, and Pasch's actions could quite easily be construed as a bad attempt to distance. Alsark was also on DV's wagon, which is another point not in his favour (And yes, so was I, but I had to check.) Zdenek has said nothing, so there's nothing further to work with yet. I don't see him on the same team as Pandorica, though, seeing as they both made bullshit claims at about the same time, which would be a bit odd for scum.

xtopherusD has an incredible busywork-to-stancetaking ratio, and not in a good way. I'm particularly drawn to the post Epic pointed out, wherein he wanted the day to end with about two weeks to deadline.

Yeah, I can get behind pressuring him.

VOTE: xtopherusD

Also, hello to you too, S&R. My defense: Yes, I was useless.

That top line.... (and the bottom one too for that matter)

Minor point, but the Noir comment was supposed to be a SBaHJ reference.

As for the rest, meh. Will care about what isn't about me tomorrow.

I didn't see any caring about others (or anything for that matter) in the tomorrow after this post.

Meeh, xtoph seems okay now, I guess. Reaction hasn't been bad, and mostly in line with his prior style, so is all good.

For now, I'm willing to go for someone who has absolutely failed to play as well as he can, and has instead gone for stating the obvious and voting for either the most popular wagons, or wagons that don't make sense at all. Yes, there's a chance that he might be doing this as town, but if that's the case, it's about time he shows us that.

VOTE: AurorusVox

Didn't you have a problem with xtoph's style before? I'm sure that was the reason you were suspecting him, and now it's the reason that he is clear?

Readjusting previous statement. Have read, will comment thoughtfully when thinkpan functioning properly once more.

Will comment non-thoughtfully now.

Yes, Malpa is likely to be scum. No, I won't vote for him right now, because I'm tired as hell and I'll probably accidentally hammer him or something. Call me in the morning. I don't get why AV is being ignored. He's scummier than GNR, damnit, and he's just... Bleh. Ne'er mind; I suspect that 'less he says something, he'll get what he deserves eventually. Some of the more active people seem town, some seem more doubtful. Not going to spend time trying to lynch those today. We can use them to find their rivals, first. Hooray for multiball. Let's spend today focusing down those who are both useless and scummy. Like, I guess, Malp.

Yep. Iiii'll just say something more tomorrow something.

This is almost the same stance your with your Pasch/Taz suspicion yesterday.

Well. Things have happened, evidently.

I read them, too. I'm so proud of myself.

I'm not entirely satisfied with some of the reasons for joining the AV wagon, but I am entirely satisfied with it being as popular as it suddenly is. I am no longer as convinced by his scumminess as I was, but my conviction is still strong enough, especially combined with the plethora of info from his flip, that I still advocate his death.

Also, AD, get over yourself, or explain why I need to die.

I don't see how these two points work together, as far as I can tell - being happy with how popular it is means you are happy for the reasons as to why it exists, yet you're apparently not satisfied with some of these reasons.

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When we don't actually know the role layout of the game, it's hard to actually know if it does suck, therefore it is just bad.

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We don't know what abilities that JOAT had, and the global roleblocker is quite different to a normal roleblocker.
While it's probably the case that there isn't a redirector and a JK on the same team, we never know until endgame.

I don't actually care if you do your plan or whatever, but I think just lynching malp would work just as well.

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UNVOTE: mae
Good posting = I don't care about lynching you today anymore.
VOTE: malp
However the lack of posts here is indicating malp is actually now lurking since that V/LA finished.

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I voted you because you were my next biggest scumread currently (besides nacho and malp). I unvoted because you have shown signs of actually being town with those posts. (plus malp isn't helping me not want to lynch him even with his claim)

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Wasn't expecting that.

GJ guys

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Wasn't expecting that.

GJ guys

that role anyway - was expecting the win

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I am proud to say that the cycle I died in was the only one where all the deaths were of Town players!

...
Wait, maybe that's a bad thing.

I'll join you in the proudness.

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Had we known they were gone then we probably wouldn't have lynched malpascp, could have ended up with someone different that day, but then we wouldn't have had a only town death cycle.

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I know some of the answers to those from the graveyard
but I'm leaving you in suspense and not telling you

I'd expect the JOAT to have been powerful, the global role director is powerful.

@Mehdi did you actually kill me because I made a case on Mae, or is you truely what you said in the thread that you just picked the counterwagon?

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Global roleblocker, not global redirector. But yes, both roles look powerful. How long is the dead thread to this game, btw? I would laugh and cry if it were several thousand posts long.

Redirector and roleblocker were held by the same person, same thing if they're lucky.

The dream bubble never had vifam in it, so it never got all the spam the main thread here did.
Plus like other games you can't really scumhunt in a dead thread, especially when the scum don't actually come and talk in it. (except the last player of both teams, though Crypto did talk a bit, but only to tell us about CE)

I also think both scumteams were let down by people not being active early. (which would be why pandorica and noir were the stronger members of each). I think everyone else was in my big list of null.

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crypto was in this game?

Also, I forgot to mention that I'm surprised this game didn't hit 300 pages.

Noir.

You went to fast on day 7 to get there, some people never even posted. (though it's quite possible we'll get there in post-game chat anyway)

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id have a lot more to talk about if somebody was kind enough to share deadchat

I'm too lazy to open quicktopic/my pm about me dying. You shall wait until someone elses does or the mods give their information

Oh, was Noir entirely crypto or was that a hydra or what?

Also, post-game chat doesn't count. Although, really, if we had gone on for another 14 pages then that would probably have meant things were turning out worse than we thought since that would have meant there was actual scumhunting to be done.

Crypto alt

The confirmation stage (first 10 pages) don't count either.

i'm more curious who porfervor was tbh

I want to know that information as well.

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I want to know who torgonitoh was.

I think I figured that one out
I found a big clue that points to it being someone that is retired on their main and still active on the site.

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I was trying to hint at here, but yeah I did figure it out via the email button.

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This could have gone against town had those all to gone targeting the wrong people.

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Day 3 and esp Day 4 were a blast

I wasn't alive for them though

Pretty much every case put together this entire game was shitty and wrong except for the one Titan made on me.

I had one on the back-up SK (it was crap, but I don't think I ever make good cases)

If I were to make another Homestuck mafia in the future, who would be interested? Now is your chance to pre-/in. I'm not saying I will, but I'm saying I might. And I'm saying it would be a LOT smaller.

Homestuck doesn't work small. (the 20 player one I played offsite sucked, but then it was also broken due to knowing what roles actually existed and the night 0 actions)
even if my game start was a piece of banana.

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I claim GodCat

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I claim GodCat

You can't be a cat!

I'll make myself a Cheery Cat alt just so I can then

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Also, someone, please, I beg of you, nominate someone or something in this game for a scummy. Even if it's just to force the scummies committee to read it (muhahaha)

Does it go in the 2012 or the 2013 thread?

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It's getting nommed for most enjoyable game then, as I do believe it is my most enjoyable out of the games I've played.

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I asked because the opening purrs on either of them don't tell me anything.
Though izak did mention ended in 2012 when he was getting people to nom mishmash

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See my phone says I can be a cat

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It's probabl good you never gave one to me, I probably would have sat on it while drunk.