Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

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If you'd saved then it'd be undecided, but the lack of save confirms he used his power (although this believes I have my own kill).

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You'll have 0 heartbreak if you have trust.

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Phil there's a difference between changing votes and saying fate is a good lynch while voting nacho later because of wagon choices when fate was a choice and lack of suspicion on nacho before.

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And flavor doesn't need to match for both people to be town if you were. You still haven't commented on why didn't you expect av to be BP?

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Phil I think my situation was worse then you and I'm not lynched.

And ald yes I plan to shoot sanjay. DV is arguable and there isn't anyone else I'm interested in shooting unless you want to explain why I should shoot elsewhere.

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The only reason you're not lynched yet is because we're using your kill.

P-Edit: THANK YOU.

If my kill didn't exist the the entire sk theory would fall apart pretty completely. Anyways at this point your really just the one person who tunnels me since forever.

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And yes you can look town by simply being proactive. Am I the only god tier troll? If not why not be curious on the others?

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I mean the using my kill only works if it exists. If it didn't this spec wouldn't occur.

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That answers the troll bp question and I believe phil said he never saw my name claim so going to aradia over meenah or either instead of both also doesn't make sense.

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Well since flavor in mafia games isn't going to be a perfect fit for everything together.

P-edit: Or that.

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I'll add why is s/r null or whatever else jury is out on him means?

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Mae trolling me if it's scum team of me and her. Or me risking my life for one scum partner. Sanjay so far every theory involves me playing dumb if I'm scum.

Bt's right on the lynch choice since really currently it's people I can't kill (and natural disagree on Mae).

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The alternative is mod mistake. The mods have a. Said no bastard moddity and b. There is none once the Samara thing is removed. The bastard modding point has stopped being usable.

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That there's seven and two are alive. I do love HP.

And relevance?

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Two are alive. I think that says I know what they are just that one is a spoiler.

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It sucks for me. I'm an SK with a town lover. SK is already one of the toughest roles to play and for some reason the mods chose to make it even harder in a game that already would have an SK deal with 29 other people. Plus making up a different reason for knowing Mae is town that didn't involve saying a role where if she was town and I was an SK then I'd know she wouldn't go with a lie.

Ran out of theories yet?

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Your theory still involves a SK with a lover which just sounds like the mods want to make a role as hard as they possibly can in win chances.

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That is still a strange way to make a SK's life more of a pain.

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BP SK in a 13p with a few town pr's and one scum team is considered reasonable. In a 30p that involves a lot of surviving you want to make the role harder and think it'd still be considered balanced?

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Sanjay game size as a big effect on SK power similar to how you don't normally have 3 person scum teams in a 30p game. Good luck finding a BP SK in any 30p game without some other benefit or mechanic thing helping and I get to be one + a strange con.

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It's a fun example of I still don't work as scum. Sanjay good luck finding SK's in games this size because of that.

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I have no desire to let my kill be voted on. Directed by people I think are town sure, but letting everyone vote on it no.

I think I mentioned the theory in the first posts for today so either you brough it up day 4 or it's mine.

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DV/DW is my main interest today. I've liked ald's role/flavor spec.

I'll comment more later, but for now I don't see how the magua kill makes any sense from either scum team.

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Yeah I'm not dying. And continuing we mass claimed a while ago and shi claimed vanilla. Lo and behold she flips vanilla.

Thinking on it it looks more like one scum team trying to kill a member of the other scum team since I wouldn't have been against a magua push much. Only thing shi did that was nice was how she claimed.

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And there was only two night kills when there should have been 3 + I don't think both scum teams shot magus since outside of thinking he's maybe scum I don't understand why he died.

Reminder my dear Mae. You would have died very easily day 3 if I hadn't saved you. Your theory of me thinking you knew my role sucks.

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Magua is a good player although I'm basing that more on thought he shows in making set ups then anything else. That still doesn't make much sense for a kill reason though. He never even roses anyone.

Wagon analysis is good when considering other factors (such as I highly dour Dan is scum at all just for play). I'd be curious if any patterns emerge outside of black scum if the rest of the vcs are colored that way.

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Vifam you're unlikely to ever get a theory that makes sense for me scum with the situation. Powerful town roles exist. In fact if you want to add to it why did mae claim miller as scum when all investigative roles were used up by then and most people had claimed already (if it's to claim kurloz, well kurloz is a fairly sucky fake claim to be given by the sounds of it so she could have just picked any other character and likely be ok when most had been claimed).

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Me as green scum with mae means mae is very much a troll. As scum with or without me why not go along with it when it's being done to clear her.

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Vifam if someone flips green scum that isn't me or mae what am I then? Or does that mean 0 theories left?

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Lastly for kill stuff I don't know but beyond the missing kills I can't say the last night kill choice makes sense. I still don't see a reason that makes sense to kill magua besides cross kill attempt when he had 0 scum reads and was suspected with multiple people near clear alive.

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And yet it's somehow a big scum tell. I'd be happy to be judged on play.

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Yeah strange town role is a scum tell when it doesn't make sense with any common scum role and all the strange theories you've made have noticeably big problems (admittingly I like the 3rd party keep mae alive theory even though a 3rd party unlyncher with a kill and bp is also not believable). Mae I realize my role is powerful. I claimed it. I like it. And I also know that using it as a scum tell when scum versions of it don't work is dumb.

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And with a flipped scum redirector + scum one shot delayed strongman with one being a good vig counter while the other being a good bp counter.

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Well I think there's also the fact I could be lynched or the other town vig or the other bp could be lynched. But mafia had counters to deal with me and mafia doesn't need a counter for everything considering mountainous is very scum sided with the expected mafia ratio.

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And if you're expecting the game to run perfectly balanced when two powerful scum roles die before day 2 well a town is supposed to get a positive benefit for doing well usually in games.

And I'm taking the literally something doesn't make sense to mean that you're going to have to believe something strange whether it's my powerful role or it's me having a really modified scum role to make things work so the first being implausible but the second being passable is something I find to be a problem.

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I'll assume dgb didn't waste her power since she knew I was shooting her so it likely got used at some point (possibly before she replaced in), but similar to the missing death we're also missing a death of someone likely to be protected or can only be killed with a strongman.

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How would there be one more scum if I'm town. And I'm curious how my kill role hurts anyone when I'm ok with people directing it if I don't kill choice to be stupid. You're passion to lynch me that trumps anyone's has annoyed me for a while.

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I'm curious what you reakkt mean by a day's worth of discussion. You can talk quite a bit now and me alive has the town having more chances to remove people it wants since I do work like a second lynch right now. Remember discussion pretty much has to be on both who to lynch and who should I kill.

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Vifam's posts are awfully flighty and detached. He seems to just post thoughts and passing remarks about anything he decides to, and I don't think that's helpful to the Town. And it's not just a lack of quantity, but the quality is pretty bad, too. There hasn't really been a shift between confirmation phase and Day 1. So I
VOTE: Vifam

Last post referring to vifam day 1:

oh my gog im being surrounded by people who

still aren't telling me the problem!

This happened when I voted Vifam, too! What is wrong with you people??

Doesn't sound like suspicion disappeared.

Day 2 mentions (there are 2 others that I don't think really show a read on vifam):

Vifam posted a thing

Maybe it's not a case but I like to think it's better than anything else right now

Vifam is currently utilising Town's greatest power! malpascp is currently the only person who isn't!

How did that suspicion ever disappear from a cop?

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Yeah that's the inno reasoning which I find to be a strange jump of I find vifam scummy to I like vifam's posts without reasons given in between.

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I have a feeling the more you talk about do something to him before lylo the more likely scum won't kill him. A doc isn't likely to save correctly so power wise it's not a big problem to leave alive.

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Nacho I've repeatedly brought it up since day 4 with the amount of discussion we've had on me being a sk. Your theory is proven false by nature of no one in the game is a town damara megido. Making theories that take 3 seconds to disprove and then voting me. The moderators specifically said they wouldn't answer to whether there's a mistake in thread unless clearing a bp is a better idea.

Continuing me and mae green scum has had problems for a while as a theory which is why it was kind of considered impossible day 4.

The main problem with the mae bus mehdi theory is I was in the much better position an had her as mehdi confirmed at the time. Plus the extra kill doesn't work although kills this entire game have gone strangely. Green limited mafia vig is implausible if you want to go with the weakest option I can be.

Green having a doc as another pr with what they've had seems really doubtful so vifam being a doc would clear up because of it.

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And dw what you thought before can be argued just as fine as what you thought now. All it really does is looking at not current posts.

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To be honest I'm getting constant second thoughts because the whole Mehdi-Mae story is too bizarre when we're out of the loop like this and there's no way to 'fix' said bizarre-ness. I'm mostly basing the wagon off of scummy play now because that's what you do in this situation, you overlook role madness bullshit.

If it's not clear I support testing the doc.

Nacho I don't get the Vifam-cleared part?

And my scummy play is? If it's mae then there's a pretty obvious problem to mae first already mentioned.

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Oh and VOTE: deas for the reasoning I had yesterday.

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Well enjoy being surprised. As for the sk theory that has the obvious problem of why protect mae which answers resort to strange things.

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And how would scum mess with vifam's doc? The only pr they likely have left is a limited rb that is likely used up.

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And how would I as sk give mae a safe claim?

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Lastly it's only an fu kill if I'm not town which you're mostly arguing old theories that have been stated to have problems already so the counter doesn't really change. There are 0 bps alive besides me so that also doesn't work as an excuse that my kills only touch certain people. There is likely 0 rbs alive by nature of the most likely way this set up can work. In fact I've pretty much allowed every kill except mae as long as it makes sense.

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Well enjoy being surprised. As for the sk theory that has the obvious problem of why protect mae which answers resort to strange things.

why protect mae?
hey! there's a reason!
if that's your only defense, then it's a little... underwhelming. I don't really trust WIFOM that much, sorry.

And how would scum mess with vifam's doc? The only pr they likely have left is a limited rb that is likely used up.

How many shots would you give the roleblocker? You can give a range, if you'd like.

And how would I as sk give mae a safe claim?

by giving her...
your own! and claiming your actual role of gamzee!
MY GOD WHO WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT
i'll explain my SK theory more thoroughly if people need it, but the strongest point is that you claimed you knew a player was town and that player's rolename was Damara Megido. The player's actual role name is Kurloz, which would make a hell of a lot more sense if you actually claimed that, meaning that I seriously doubt it was a mod error, especially since you're supposedly an INFORMED BULLETPROOF VIGILANTE TOWNIE, which is a bit much to take in.

Yeah it's the main reason since it pretty much goes against sk being independent and it's not just defend but say she's confirmed town to me.

1 considering the other team had a 1 shot and green already has a lot of power.

So why would I fake claim damara and cause an obvious problem if I knew that wasn't the case? I don't care if it's a wifom argument, but it's still arguable and considering it's the main portion of the argument for me as a SK yes I will argue it.

Aradia Megido and the role is just unstoppable vig (yes the role name doesn't refer to the clear part).

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Oh and continuing on the 1 every other x shot power in this game has been 1 shot.

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No the idea is I shoot x. You save x. If x dies then you lied about your protection. If x lives we proved you can protect.

And nacho it does make sense. Role blocking av that night was the only way to safely night kill me and considering I'm the only player likely to have been shot that night that's probably what happened (the other two were av who was known to be protected beforehand and philla who's a sucky night kill target). The intention likely was to just be able to kill me without being watched and bumi ended up entering it and caused av to die. Bumi is scum or green scum has an rb. I don't think he's scum and anymore then one shot rb doesn't make sense. Nothing can reasonably mess up my kill and it's mostly just paranoia theory that's letting it be speculated.

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That's why we're arguing over rb possibility. Green scum having an unlimited rb with what they've had flip seems way ahead of black. 1 shot rb similar to how all the other x shots are 1 shots is more believable and that 1 shot was likely already used on av. So rb worries shouldn't be a problem.

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Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

It depends on who we shoot really, obviously we wont aim for the towniest person. The only problem I see is that in the unlikely event someone does RB you, we wont get notified as evidenced by AV's lack of knowledge, and we've gained no knowledge except the fact that scum are playing horribly.

Do you think scum have a roleblocker that has unused shots?

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As for the uneven teams I don't see 3 green scum vs 27 players as a likely mafia team even with good powers and I just don't find uneven teams to be common although the 2 green + 1 black is a bit more believable (most likely thing is just 2 green to deal with).

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Plus flavor supposedly means a 5th black scum isn't likely I think.

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Don't you mean odd numbers? At this point though unless something new there's nothing else I have to add for your suspicions counter.

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I never planned to. The idea works like this: I shoot someone we think is scummy (buld will yell me and say whoever the town decides), vifam then protects that person and we next see whether they die or not. I'll still be targeting someone suspected so if the doc doesn't work because it's a lie or somehow rb exists it'll cause someone suspected to die.

He has said no which is why lack of kills is so strange.

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Since people think I'm a sk that needs death now (or green scum).

I'd lynch deas/delta and then shoot the other if I had the choice.

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Well there's two ways for a kill to happen:

A. Vifam lied.
B. Scum still have another rb shot this late in the game.

For B to be true that means a minimum of 2 shot rb (or 1 shot rb + bumi scum which is just overly convoluted). Joat + 1 shot Global RB + 2+ RB + Goon doesn't seem equal to 1 shot delayed strongman + role cop + goon + GF and goes against the all x shots so far have been 1 shot. There technically is the other option of uneven scum teams that I won't say has no chance even if I don't think it's likely.

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And dv if you could kill and lynch any two people you want who'd they be?

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Lastly dan can you explain the current buld scum read? If you did already just point me to it.

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Quil why hat sanjay when everyone in thread wanted me to kill him? Even if he was town he wasn't going to live and get your hat.

Continuing for everyone in support of the lynch someone and then have me shoot someone with vifam protecting them who are those two people you want lynched/killed?

P-edit: To my memory he never bothered.

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Oh and as for the bs one shot scum vig theory a good portion of set up spec involves balanced scum teams. Green team having a 1 shot vig + 1 shot rb + the rest would make them completely op to black.

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We have an odd number of players. If you want to argue how powerful roles can be I've sadly given more op stuff and have seen vigs that can only kill scum more then once in the past. Scum have counters to me, they have a good amount of power, and yet a powerful town role isn't believable. A double cop has been a role that could basically clear two people per night or find one scum twice as fast (or equal two guilties which isn't likely).

P-edit: Which kills are missing? The n3/n4 ones being on me works fine. The other 1/2 I can see other reasons to not have. If vifam's a scum goon or used up rb then having less kills backs up his doc claim as well.

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And you realize if I'm really an sk the missing kills still applies. The only time the kills become normal is something like the 1 shot scum vig theory which screws with balance too much for green to be that powerful. It'd make them have all prs.

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Yeah the risk only possibly comes in me not following the kill target which a. as scum costs me too much and b. as town isn't a worry. Either way it doesn't hurt to clear vifam by checking whether his power works or not with the next shot.

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It doesn't work because of set up balance. Remaining scum are likely 1 shot rb and goon. Doc replacing goon there just gives a noticeable advantage to green scum. Either vifam is a town doc or he's a scum goon or likely used up rb.

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What was torg's case on s/r in non torg terms. I glossed over anything he wrote back when he was in the game that I saw and didn't read most of what he said day 1.

Since bumi is scum or scum have an rb to rb av during the night when bumi claimed to have targeted me (rbing bumi makes no sense back then). All x shot roles in this game are 1 shot. The last green scum pr has to be weak for green and black to be balanced. All together green 1 shot used up rb + green goon is likely the remaining mafia.

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Of the two I'd rather lynch dv and test dw. I don't really care for torg so dw being better is mainly deas I think is more likely scum and I like his current route of questioning.

I don't agree with the dv being town based on one reaction a scum claim especially with the size of this game. That and honestly meta wise I usually treat dv as null. The only scum meta I have mainly remembers more forced questioning from him, but tonally I don't really notice much difference between his town and scum games so I don't think as scum he'd jump on voting someone for scum claiming but be doubtful since he generally always seems indecisive to me.

One thing that is strange for him as scum is how he treated the hat thing though with quil.

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Oh and lastly bumi's actually clear unless someone wants to argue scum 1 shot strange neighborizer is a green scum role (it's the only confirmable power he's used).

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Part of not lynching me if you suspect me is to test vifam. If you think he's a scum doc then it's pointless to test him. I'm assuming brood was thinking something along that line.

How are you pro-town in other games?

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What do you think of vifam or the value of testing him like this?

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Rash assumption being? If I shot delta and vifam failed to save him what'd you do?

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Well the fact av was lying unless an rb was there (or bumi fake claimed which doesn't work well when he's confirmed to have neighborized people) + rb seeming unlikely then made it occur.

UNVOTE: Deas and reason isn't anything beyond I just wanted to see whether you'd seem consistent when I asked you random stuff. One thing I do want is you to respond to bt's quote list on you which while it's quoting other people is still respondable. I'm leaning opening up to s/r now mostly because poe.

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Vifam confirmed it. He made a qt for vifam and titan to talk together in.

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And vifam + bumi isn't something I believe so I'm ignoring that and just saying bumi is clear.

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Consistent in tone and indecision was mainly what I was interested in vs thinking vifam's scum for sure. Your answer to pro town didn't really help me since the last time you were scum against me I remembered you trying to be pro town mainly by asking questions a lot which wasn't in the answer.

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Oh I just skimmed. For the bt response I'm mainly interested in if you agree with what he's pushing even if you disagree with the conclusion.

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Considering you suspect bt does that case make you trust him more, less, or no change?

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From everyone except me.

And bt if dv/dw aren't the green scum team who is it?

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He never targeted zdenek to my knowledge. Last night he hatted sanjay.

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The short current bumi argument is he's a confirmed 1 shot neighborizer and that doesn't work power wise as scum so he's confirmed town. Which then confirms a green scum roleblocker existing.

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Really any power not RB and that is confirmed to exist clears that player who has it. Quil is confirmed town on the basis of being a hatter (although that is a weak role but considering all green prs is strange too it still works).

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Exception being my power.

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It's because of set up balance. Current scum set up is:

1 shot delayed strongman + goon + role cop + gf vs Joat + 1 shot global rb/redirect + ??? + ???

A 1 shot neighborizer who can choose to target two people that aren't himself as the 3rd green scum role doesn't work well.

P-edit: If you can then I can test you by shooting you.

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I think adding ald as an option doesn't help (nor is he someone I'd want to lynch because of amount of useful flavor spec). Going back and forth between 2 trumps going back and forth between 3.

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mehdi2277 (2): Nachomamma8, Zdenek
DeasVail(5): BT, Delta, Dan, Brood, Sunshine and Rainbows,
DeltaWave (4): Bumi, buldy, Deas, Mehdi
Ald(1): Vifam

If we're staying with one of the two then VOTE: delta.

I still don't think scum would have more then a 1 shot rb so the rb possibility I'm ignoring which is why I'm fine shooting vifam if he can self-protect.

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All we need is a guarantee that we're lynching DV/DW if DW/DV flips town.

Why does one of them have to be scum?

Oh, they're definitely not from the same scum team going off of the last few pages. Either green/black (if exists) or town/scum. Leaning latter because blacks are probably dead and I'd bet on DW town.

The other greenscummer is Mae -> Ald -> Vifam / Zdenek (might actually be leaning Vifam here due to Zdenek's claim) -> Townies and then something is wrong in the universe.

Quil did you succeed in targeting Zdenek or not?

So it's more of they're better suspects then most people.

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All we need is a guarantee that we're lynching DV/DW if DW/DV flips town.

Why does one of them have to be scum?

Oh, they're definitely not from the same scum team going off of the last few pages. Either green/black (if exists) or town/scum. Leaning latter because blacks are probably dead and I'd bet on DW town.

The other greenscummer is Mae -> Ald -> Vifam / Zdenek (might actually be leaning Vifam here due to Zdenek's claim) -> Townies and then something is wrong in the universe.

Quil did you succeed in targeting Zdenek or not?

So it's more of they're better suspects then most people.

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Mae doesn't work both ways anyway. Allowing me scum then how do I work as scum with her unless both green which green having a vig is problematic. As town it's a sucky lynch.

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Why is DV + mae impossible?

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Either specify or if it's just vague town tells then deas has done some things as well like the way he treated quil's hatter claim or basically arguing I'm town for being lazy.

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If DV flips town then yeah DW, but if he flips scum I'd go for Ald since Mae is out of the question

Scum dv equals mae out of the question so it sounds like dv + mae doesn't work for you. Why?

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Good luck getting support for the 3rd and there's not much more I can add to it argument wise.

P-edit: K, I understand that line now.

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Fine VOTE: DV although it was mainly how he was saying quil was likely town for being a hatter before quil claimed or mass claim was considered.

And there's been multiple x shot roles in this game. Not a single one was 2 or more shot. The role has to be weak for balance so it's also not unlimited.

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alright
is there a reason people find dw town over dv?

Actually I found some towntells in torg / DW. We're going DV today

i think torg's "broadcast" about pasch isn't something a buddy would point out
dw reads town not giving fuck instead of scum not giving a fuck. there's an ever-so-slight difference

Plus dv case. Other side is dv's self meta usage and hat thing.

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3 green scum vs 27 people even with high power seems strange for a mafia team to be that size here. And I'm curious where the other RB uses were since only one has been noticed and if it's unlimited 5 should have occurred.

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But if he stabs us in the back then we can just lynch him.

Can we just take that. I can argue both sides easily (as in if I'm a sk who let's the town direct every kill I've had since day 2 why stop if I'm losing either way).

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Lime green vig is impossible for game balance. Lime green 1 shot vig isn't believable in the same way lime green 1 shot neighborizer doesn't work (to a bigger extent since kill>neighborizing for a scum power).

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And vifam if the same argument is used against me why should I argue it in a different way. The response doesn't magically become something different.

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Your point being when that's pretty much what I'm saying? (and it's extreme to make one role pm error in a game this size)

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You're not dumb to not know what that's referring to.

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6838 maybe.

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Vifam swap places with me and think how fun this is (in any case).

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I love math though. A few medals a couple feet away from me (could never get past state competitions though).

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Then get rid of all the green scum before lylo, if the game is still going lynch me, and the mae stuff will never be a problem.

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If I'm hammered as personal preference I'd rather do it when the mods aren't here and let me say last comments when with me dead I'd have 0 reason to lie.

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It's kind of pointless since I'd not be believed and it makes getting some interaction at the end with me believed as impossible if the hammer was now.

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Can you record the video of you drinking bleach?

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K I got the mod confirmation I wanted. Ald your numbers are slightly wrong but not by much.

I never wanted to claim especially with site meta on how to treat 3rd parties, but sure. I am scum and 3rd party as guessed (the green mafia theory is wrong as will be seen either soon or later depending on if I get lynched). I'll full claim in a bit although I'm curious if any of you have some fun last guesses. None of the guesses so far have been correct for my role (which is strange although not as complex as some of the ideas have gotten).

P-edit: I can win with the town and I don't expect people to let me live forever.

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0 patience nacho?

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Incorrect. The kill isn't a lie. 12 minutes and I'll full claim but for now I'm being selfish and enjoying this.

[Mehdi2277]

Why didn't you just claim 3rd party that can with the town when this whole thing started?

PEdit: Lol@Dan

When was the last time 3rd parties on this site were trusted? I've played elsewhere where site meta is to protect neutrals since they're usually always can win with town, but here it's enough to policy lynch me if I did it earlier and even now it's a last ditch thing.

[Mehdi2277]

FIVE, MEHDI. NOT TWELVE.

Modified BP SK. I just want to live until the final 10. I exit at that point and win then. If I'm alive in the final 10 lynch me for lying since yeah I'm not going to get a 3rd role pm. I'll explain mae next.

[Mehdi2277]

Mae is surprisingly simple. I thought she was obv scum. I didn't need to kill all the scum to win. Back at the time I wanted one scum team to know I was a 3rd party. I thought she as mafia would go with the fake claim just for the sake of staying clear. I don't honestly know if she's town or scum. I really don't care when I'm this close to winning and exiting.

[Mehdi2277]

Do you really think I'm aradia still? Let's see scum never had fake claims or else I'd never have had to deal with claiming all this messed up role stuff. The flavor's been guessed for a while.

[Mehdi2277]

Safe claims were given though. I had 3 and chose her since she seemed most important from a quick flavor glance (and the breaking things seemed believable for vig)

[Mehdi2277]

Ald there really isn't any flavor for the exiting part. The role is gamzee as has been obvious.

[Mehdi2277]

But here's what I have for flavor in general (and it really is short even if it's on many lines):

Car sounds, curse words, I'm not drunk, kill nightly, and not flavor but safe claims were aradia, casey, and nanna.

[Mehdi2277]

Shouldn't have claimed BP vig, Mehdi. Bad move.

The bp part wasn't what killed me most. Mae not going as expected is what did.

[Mehdi2277]

And that was the truth with the hammer.

[Mehdi2277]

I don't see a video of it. And ald how likely was I to not die if I kept the claim. Mae would have insta voted me and bt likely would too if I didn't claim the truth and see whether it'd work or not.

[Mehdi2277]

Ratio likely was 19:4:4:1 just since 3 mafia I still don't see as plausible with the number of night kills (4 could have occurred per night and I was expecting more deaths not the ridiculous amount of protection to just get 20 people dead).

[Mehdi2277]

And dan while my role isn't going to just say Final 10 SK it will flip as Subjugator (s?) BP SK. I lack a reason to lie as hammered.

[Mehdi2277]

Jester I'd have a won long time ago (day 4 if I hadn't made up the mod error and wifomed people to death with mae).

[Mehdi2277]

It's my favorite show. I always liked dark themes (and how

protags become antogs and win as antogs

).

[Mehdi2277]

I honestly thought fate was town. I don't fake reads much as scum and here it was easy to say reads truthfully for the most part when I'm a third party (the first time I called mae town I thought she was).

[Mehdi2277]

I shot epic. The redirection theory I went along with but was off. I have no clue how that redirection was used. Green scum shot noir while black scum shot pandorica.

[Mehdi2277]

Lynchees can usually talk in twilight and I don't see a rule blocking it here.

[Mehdi2277]

I know some of the answers to those from the graveyard
but I'm leaving you in suspense and not telling you

I'd expect the JOAT to have been powerful, the global role director is powerful.

@Mehdi did you actually kill me because I made a case on Mae, or is you truely what you said in the thread that you just picked the counterwagon?

Like I said in the dead qt I never bothered to fake reads except on mae and philla (my read on philla was true before he got lynched, but I faked suspicion for the sake of needing town deaths).

Mae I didn't want you to claim damara and needed to make something that fit at the time between aradia and someone else. And you realize that if you died before me I'd be instant lynched as the only vig alive at the start of day 3. You dying meant I lost, so I essentially had to not risk you being lynched day 3. Already commented on claiming bp to help philla was stupid in the dead qt. I also know you had safe claims and choosing to bus me could have worked better if you just thought I was general scum rather then sk which claiming miller was a very bad idea and is a fairly big policy lynch to many people.

Shadoweh I've let people direct my kills fully in the past as vig (second time I claimed vig day 2) although other set up reasons was part of it the first time. The vig claim was mainly meta related.

[Mehdi2277]

Should say for the first line I didn't want you to claim kurloz.

[Mehdi2277]

And I'm curious why you tunneled me before the role problems. As for knowing that I was a sk that was on purpose. I think I hinted it to you with saying the word back up to you before the vig claim even happened.

[Mehdi2277]

Baltimore is faraday. I think I learned my lesson on vig claims as sk (on the other side as town the double lynch factor is really nice).

[Mehdi2277]

I would. This game has tempted me to start reading the series when I have some relaxed free time. Interestingly the other site I play on is about to have a large homestuck game.

[Mehdi2277]

That game would be ridiculously huge. I'm not sure I'd want 100 pages a day considering if all the same players from here joined + 90 others it'd be a pain to read. I'd likely do it anyway if it can be well done without lasting more then about 8 months.

[Mehdi2277]

I've seen time mechanics used in a homestuck game. Each player was either in the past, present, or future and night action priority was future>present>past followed by nar basically plus some powers only worked in specific times. Players had to move times each night. 22 size game role madness too so yeah made all the actions fun to watch.