Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[Vifam]

I'm a PROTECTIVE PR Role, the longer I live the more townies I can potentially save. If I make it to LYLO you guys can just automatically lynch me. But shooting me when I'm 1 of 2 Protective roles is a terrible idea.

[Mehdi2277]

No the idea is I shoot x. You save x. If x dies then you lied about your protection. If x lives we proved you can protect.

And nacho it does make sense. Role blocking av that night was the only way to safely night kill me and considering I'm the only player likely to have been shot that night that's probably what happened (the other two were av who was known to be protected beforehand and philla who's a sucky night kill target). The intention likely was to just be able to kill me without being watched and bumi ended up entering it and caused av to die. Bumi is scum or green scum has an rb. I don't think he's scum and anymore then one shot rb doesn't make sense. Nothing can reasonably mess up my kill and it's mostly just paranoia theory that's letting it be speculated.

[Vifam]

Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

[Vifam]

I mean if there is

[Mehdi2277]

That's why we're arguing over rb possibility. Green scum having an unlimited rb with what they've had flip seems way ahead of black. 1 shot rb similar to how all the other x shots are 1 shots is more believable and that 1 shot was likely already used on av. So rb worries shouldn't be a problem.

[BroodKingEXE]

Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

It depends on who we shoot really, obviously we wont aim for the towniest person. The only problem I see is that in the unlikely event someone does RB you, we wont get notified as evidenced by AV's lack of knowledge, and we've gained no knowledge except the fact that scum are playing horribly.

[BroodKingEXE]

Mods Is Quilford going to replaced on the next cycle?[\b]

[Quilford]

Hey hey, I'm here. Just wallowing in my shame and guilt for not thinking Sanjay is scum (also, I hatted him).

I think Nacho is probably right about the unevenly-sized teams theorem and think at worst we'll have 2 more greenscum and 1 more blackscum to deal with and at best only 1 more greenscum to deal with.

[Mehdi2277]

Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

It depends on who we shoot really, obviously we wont aim for the towniest person. The only problem I see is that in the unlikely event someone does RB you, we wont get notified as evidenced by AV's lack of knowledge, and we've gained no knowledge except the fact that scum are playing horribly.

Do you think scum have a roleblocker that has unused shots?

[Mehdi2277]

As for the uneven teams I don't see 3 green scum vs 27 players as a likely mafia team even with good powers and I just don't find uneven teams to be common although the 2 green + 1 black is a bit more believable (most likely thing is just 2 green to deal with).

[Mehdi2277]

Plus flavor supposedly means a 5th black scum isn't likely I think.

[Zdenek]

Vote: Medhi

I've read. This is clearly the right move.

[Sunshine and Rainbows]

Hm my partner said she wrote a huge post about why mehdi needed to die but i don't see it anywhere and am confused

i think he might be scum with the ability to delete posts??

[Sunshine and Rainbows]

I linked to it in the QT. You are a jerk. Also enclosed is horribly formatted VCA NO ONE CAN EVER SEE.
I believe taking a vig shot in an even numbered game is a detriment and costs us a lynch, so there's no point to putting it off.

[Mehdi2277]

Don't you mean odd numbers? At this point though unless something new there's nothing else I have to add for your suspicions counter.

[BroodKingEXE]

Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

It depends on who we shoot really, obviously we wont aim for the towniest person. The only problem I see is that in the unlikely event someone does RB you, we wont get notified as evidenced by AV's lack of knowledge, and we've gained no knowledge except the fact that scum are playing horribly.

Do you think scum have a roleblocker that has unused shots?

I doubt it, but why take a chance? Im saying dont aim for Maenara, who according to you is 100% town.

[BroodKingEXE]

Vote: Medhi

I've read. This is clearly the right move.

Have you taken any actions in the past few nights?

[Mehdi2277]

I never planned to. The idea works like this: I shoot someone we think is scummy (buld will yell me and say whoever the town decides), vifam then protects that person and we next see whether they die or not. I'll still be targeting someone suspected so if the doc doesn't work because it's a lie or somehow rb exists it'll cause someone suspected to die.

He has said no which is why lack of kills is so strange.

[BroodKingEXE]

Don't you mean odd numbers? At this point though unless something new there's nothing else I have to add for your suspicions counter.

Who would you lynch today and shoot tonight? This would be a lot easier, to judge you from then Medhi is gonna shoot 1/14 people.

[BroodKingEXE]

I never planned to. The idea works like this: I shoot someone we think is scummy (buld will yell me and say whoever the town decides), vifam then protects that person and we next see whether they die or not. I'll still be targeting someone suspected so if the doc doesn't work because it's a lie or somehow rb exists it'll cause someone suspected to die.

He has said no which is why lack of kills is so strange.

^^ @Everyone:Why aren't we fine for this plan tonight?

[Mehdi2277]

Since people think I'm a sk that needs death now (or green scum).

I'd lynch deas/delta and then shoot the other if I had the choice.

[DeasVail]

I like the plan as long as it's not assumed that Vifam is scum if the target is killed.

And if I'm not the one lynched I suppose.

[Mehdi2277]

Well there's two ways for a kill to happen:

A. Vifam lied.
B. Scum still have another rb shot this late in the game.

For B to be true that means a minimum of 2 shot rb (or 1 shot rb + bumi scum which is just overly convoluted). Joat + 1 shot Global RB + 2+ RB + Goon doesn't seem equal to 1 shot delayed strongman + role cop + goon + GF and goes against the all x shots so far have been 1 shot. There technically is the other option of uneven scum teams that I won't say has no chance even if I don't think it's likely.

[Mehdi2277]

And dv if you could kill and lynch any two people you want who'd they be?

[Mehdi2277]

Lastly dan can you explain the current buld scum read? If you did already just point me to it.