Fate? I see #71 and one sentence in #84, but that's it. Also, at what point did your read on him change from null (in #57) to scum?In post 96, xRECKONERx wrote:What the fuck are you even saying, are you aware that I've actually put forward valid cases and reasons for both Fate & UT being scum that don't involve META META META?
Yes, I got that this was th point of #71, and it indicates possibly that you already had supicions, which is why I mentioned it. And why I asked the question of where these valid cases were, because calling this a case is a stretch. But #84 has a sentence implicating Fate, then later a paragraph saying that if Fate was scum that he would push Recktown, so Fate must be scum. So, assuming Fate is scum implies that Fate is scum? What a case! Now to be fair, if you showed that Fate town would not push Reck, then this would be a valid case, but I see nothing of the sort, and don't know how you could reasonably say this, given that Fatetown has no knowledge of your alignment.In post 123, xRECKONERx wrote:Keep in mind that #71 was me trying to see if Fate would actually answer serious questions and back up his supposed scum read on me, and he avoided it. I don't know where you're seeing "one sentence in #84", the entire post is dedicated to why Fate is scum this game.
Agree. At the moment I am considering it as null because I have seen this behavior from town before. I want him to stop though. Well, at least hes placed a vote that has explanation now, so even though it is wrong, it is still a step up from where he/she/it/they were.In post 135, MattP wrote:Adorkable comes in, does nothing, posts a shitty list with Nuwen as scum when she's made two fluff posts, posts "see you on D2" and leaves. They're just trying to create a persona that involves not delving into conversation but instead being cool, and they have shitty reads which indicate NO level of scum or townhunting. Gamma is being cool too but actually doing shit. It seems like everything adorkable is doing is dependent on setting themselves up for preservation later in the game
"I have reads and I don't give a shit so accept them and ignore me"
Nope. Are you?In post 160, elvis_knits wrote:nhammen, level with me, are you scum?
Well, Elvis wasn't suspicious of me (just paranoid) until you claimed masons, so her suspicion stems from the fact that you are a pair that is confirmed town to each other, while EK and I are a pair whose alignments are unconfirmed. We have both been paranoid of each other because of outguessing the mod (the terribad reasoning I mentioned earlier), and your claim adds into more outguessing the mod. I have been thinking about this early this morning (before having read the mason claim) and had come to the conclusion that the right play here is to ignore the paranoia for the time being, and if nobody flips scum before day 3 then we 1v1 each other. I don't like the idea of both of us living to LYLO, unless we become VERY certain that we are both town. I still think that this is the right play. Nothing but the fact that we are unconfirmed indicates she is scum, and her thinking is similar to mine.In post 301, xRECKONERx wrote:I don't get the nhammen scum reads from you or Gamma, mind elaborating?
Because the reasoning on UT is still better than any of the reasoning that has been promoted for any other wagons so far. In my mind, the options are UT and the nonfactors, and the game hasn't been open long enough to accuse a nonfactor of active lurking. Hell, I only really get to post once a day. And that's with me blowing off my homework to post on Monday. I can easily understand people who haven't had a chance to make much of an impact yet. So, I'm sticking with UT. Unless I have reasons to believe that these claims that look very fake are not actually fake.In post 319, adorkable wrote:nhammen, can you explain for me why your vote is still on UT? Your initial reasoning was kinda shitty.
78In post 384, Confirmed Town wrote:You have not given convincing reasons for why UT is scum other than "what the fuck."
Dude... I'm pretty sure he has explained why he's voteless. Try iso.In post 398, Axxle wrote:nhammen seems to be behaving pretty much like he does as town in face to face, so that's a townread.
Trollie seems to be acting like a voteless player, hard to get into a game you have very little say in. I'm guessing more likely town than not. Actually... I'm a bit curious as to why he's voteless.
@Trollie, are you voteless because of your role or because of someone elses role?
Hmmm... I can sorta see this. I mean, there have been so many soft or fakeclaims in this game so far, and nobody else has asked for reasoning. Although, if the mason claims had wanted to solidify their claim to everyone else, I would have asked for nameclaims, so I can kinda understand the logic coming from town. But that would only have been if they wanted their claims to be solid.In post 401, Confirmed Town wrote:Also, just going to throw this out there: Nuwen was a voteless mafia goon in one of the UPick's (one of Reck's, IIRC). Being voteless isn'tnecessarilya town tell here. However, D1 fishing for the reason for said votelessness is a definite scumtell.
I keep going back and forth on whether this is actually the case or not. I think I will stay on Axxle for the time being. However, I have been scum with UT relatively recently, so I can meta him... if I am ever not busy with school. Also, I think he replaced out of the game I am thinking of, so it might not be that helpful.In post 420, nhammen wrote:Now my confidence in the vote is decreased... But it's still better than UT.
You immediately reply upon being called out for lurking, have an exchange with Nuwen, and when that exchange ends, you vote fate and then disappear again. Definitely suspicious. But the responses themselves are actually kinda good.In post 482, Untrod Tripod wrote:I mean, either that or when the CAPSLAWKE start I tend to just stay out of it regardlessIn post 477, Nuwen wrote:UT is actively and regularly posting in other games and other areas of the site, but still hasn't really committed to this thread because he'll prob just out scumbuddies.
I actually see it as town-v-town. Why is that not a possibility? Seems to me that if it were town-v-town, scum would want to make it seem as though it couldn't be, so that after seeing one as town, we would be inclined to lynch the other... I can easily see how Matt could find you to be scum. I'm uncertain on the issue, but it is a choice between the two S's (stupid and scum). Also, if one of them is scum, then it is more likely to be Fate than Reck. I think that Reck in this game is more obvtown than anybody (who has not been confirmed by role info) has been in any game I have played.In post 523, kdowns wrote:They way they have been attacking each other, there is no way that is Town-Town, ItCouldbe Scum-Scum but that would be hardcore busing.
Is that all you have to say? Well then, for the time being, I will join EK on this one:In post 557, Ythan wrote:Hey guys! Sorry about the inactivity.
In post 703, Nuwen wrote:I don't really want to dick around with fate.
The guy who replaced Grimm just committed the "convince me" tell
In post 688, havingfitz wrote:I was typing out "vote Fate" but then thought....why again? Based on yesterday he looks to be toast but can someone reiterate why before I vote him? I'll do a more focused look at him as well. Probably voting Fate but want to be more convinced first.
You say that you had explicit reasons for suspecting Fate here (doesn't give a f; against UT lynch), but in your earlier post here:In post 753, havingfitz wrote:I read through the entire ~27 pages on my phone (while travelling) and didn't take notes on people. I know when I got done I suspected Fate. His aggressive, didn't give a fcuk attitude and his claim don't seem town. Iirc it seemed like he was pretty much against the UT lynch. Reck's point that his claim is easily confirmed makes perfect sense as well. Plus the fact he was a clean sweep on D2 (only to have a failed lynch) made his D2 momentum sheep worthy on D3. I just wanted to hear any other supporting reasons against him (of which really only Reck has provided). And now I have his push on me. Call it OMGUS but it's on top of the previous un-stated suspicions I had towards him and I know he's trying to push a mislynch. With no reason at that.
You ask why you should vote Fate. Could you clarify? I know you said that you wanted to hear other supporting reasons. But I don't think that explains why you sounded like you had no idea in 688.In post 688, havingfitz wrote:I was typing out "vote Fate" but then thought....why again? Based on yesterday he looks to be toast but can someone reiterate why before I vote him? I'll do a more focused look at him as well. Probably voting Fate but want to be more convinced first.
Read again. He claimed unlynchable before the voting yesterday, and multiple people that voted him did so to test the claim. He added the "if he's lynched again" part today.In post 793, havingfitz wrote:Instead, the person everyone seemed to think was scum yesterday (i.e. unanimous amongst every D2 voter) AND who somehow magically survives his lynch and THEN claims unlynchable with the additional caveat that if he's "lynched" again he becomes permanently voteless...IS getting a pass today.
How many days should we waste testing claims rather than scumhunting?In post 793, havingfitz wrote:You all have a chance to confirm a shit claim and ~confirm Fate is town (because scum would never be unlynchable) as rightly raged about by Reck. Worst case is you have the equivalent of another no lynch (which is better than a mislynch) and get a ~confirmed townie who should eventually take a NK (from either mafia or whoever the 2nd nk last night came from) and you lose a voteless worthless/disinterested player. Best case...you avoid a mislynch, Fate flips scum and you start the game 2 for 2. On that note....how likely is it that the mod is going to come up with a situation where TWO townies wind up voteless? DING! DING! DING! DING! NOT! At least one of Fate or theTrollie is full of shit about their votelessness and iirc Trollie already proved his lack of a vote.
I would vote here if I wasn't waiting for other things.In post 793, havingfitz wrote:As for a claim...if town wants to lynch me for no good reasons then they don't deserve the benefit of whatever potential PR I *might* bring to the table for them. I will say my name claim is Untrod Tripod though.
Hmmm... Well, whatever your alignment, it is obvious that your statement about not having really read the game is true.In post 793, havingfitz wrote:@nhammen... I had a few reasons in mind for wanting to ~vote Fate after I caught up...but in my desire to start contributing I was more interested in getting into the game than I was in refining my suspicions on the D2 unanimous lynch whom I assuuuuumed other's had reasons for voting as well. Which is why I paused and requested them. My initial reasons for almost voting Fate were based on the fact that he survived a lynch, which was/is suspect as hell IMO, and as I recalled from my read through, he had been a supporter for UT. But just to be certain (and because I didn't feel like hunting down what everyone on his D2 wagon's rationale was for voting him) I requested for those who had voted him to state their reasons again. Reck didn't seem to have a problem his reasons. I still haven't looked for anyone else's D2 Fate vote reasons but based on my wagon, perhaps asking for the other reasons is a waste of time. I'll still do that later if Fate or I aren't lynched before I get to it.
I was referring to this:In post 794, hohum wrote:In post 792, nhammen wrote:heard from hohum
If you want me to pipe up why don't you try asking me a question instead of expecting me to insert myself into a conversation (which I'm not paying attention to) that you're having with another player.
In post 780, hohum wrote:In post 778, Gammagooey wrote:i don't because the question is nothing but useless setup speculation junk right now and also because the answer to the question is kinda obvious.
It's not setup speculation. I happen to know for a fact there's a wrong answer to that question.
There's nothing wrong with going on an information fishing expedition.
Not a problem from me. I can't remember him having any influence one way or the other, so there is a decent chance he has been deliberately keeping a low profile. In fact, now that I think about it, my list of possible scum keeps getting shorter, and with this claim, that means that Ythan, kdowns, or fitz are probably the best choices.In post 811, Axxle wrote:Who would be sad if I killed Ythan right now?
Is that all you have to say?In post 813, kdowns wrote:dat claim
I disagree. I have a stronger townread on Reck than any other player in this game.In post 812, hohum wrote:I think you should shoot reck instead.
So, it is essentially a dayvig that ends the day?In post 835, Axxle wrote:In post 833, xRECKONERx wrote:Wait are you seriously a dayvig, Axxle? I need a 100% honest answer to this.
I'm not a dayvig, but I can force a lynch, which is why I'm much more conflicting using it.
At this point, that's probably what it will take. I fully intend to vote you if you do not.In post 907, Axxle wrote:I can confirm my role if that's what it takes.
Where did you get a doc claim from what she posted?In post 929, hohum wrote:Is that a doc softclaim from you nuwen?
You know, if you start the massclaim, then you can have nuwen go second. At this point, you two are the only people that haven't claimed at least some aspect of your role yet.In post 933, hohum wrote:nuwen should claim first
Mehhh... that looks bad Hohum. If you hoped she was doc, then why'd you ask if she softclaimed. That is not what you do as town when you believe someone is Doc. "I'm town, and I hope this person is the Doc, so let's OUT THEM!" Really? That's what you are going for?In post 953, hohum wrote:It's thin but I was hoping that Nuwen was the one doing all the saving. I wanted her to confirm my original town read. But instead what I got was an OMGUS vote, so v0v.
Absolutely, which is why I specifically asked Hohum where he saw any sort of Doc softclaim in what you said. His answer doesn't make sense, as you point out.In post 957, Nuwen wrote:Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why the SK candidate and the scum-slipper are searching specifically for adoctororprotectiverole? The mod only confirmed that Adorkable should have died - not that it was protected. The language used by both Axxle and hohum is more specific than the moderator's and this is not a coincidence or common mistake.
Someone without perfect/additional info should be considering the presence of a roleblocker (town or otherwise), or any of DOZENS of roles that could interact with a kill in some way.
Unless you can think of a logical reason not to do this with 5 players left.In post 956, Axxle wrote:Nuwen, can you continue the massclaim?
I already claimed to be in a neighbor-like role with EK, who was Glork. You could probably guess that this means I am singersigner.In post 964, Axxle wrote:nhammen, Trollie, can you both nameclaim? I don't think role is necessary.