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Okay so I exist!!!
But I warned mod pre-replacing that I won't be able to catch up until Monday, due to work and phone posting until then.
I'll be like, here and checking the thread(ish) but expecting me to know wtf is going on will just leave me going LOL until I can sit down with the thread.-
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On what? If it's Steam, I don't have computer access on the weekends due to work!!In post 679, Katsuki wrote:You have yet to accept my friend request, Amrun.
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Okay, I just now got to a computer. But now my internet is taking like 10 minutes to load a page, which is going to be fucking annoying.
I'll try to troubleshoot this, and have a couple of other tasks to take care of first, but I'll start my read-through at some point tonight for sure.-
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I haven't made my internet cooperate yet, but unless Matt has straight out scum claimed, I won't be voting him today. If he's alive tomorrow, then we'll see, based on his play!
I can't do jack with the internet like this; it's awful. Still working on it.
I'm making this post from my phone cuz easier.
Can someone tell me Antagon's claim so I can at least not be totally ignorant if I don't sort this out before deadline?-
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Tammy, my intro is underwhelming? What intro? I haven't read the game yet. Lol. I warned upon replacing in that it would take a while because of how my life works out. Mod said it was okay.
I managed to ISO Antagon on my phone last night before passing out. If not for the claim, I would have no issue at all with him swinging. With the claim, it's kind of meh but I doubt fakeclaims don't exist. We could leave one night to test -- that's what I would prefer -- but everyone else seems to be chomping at the bit so be it.-
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hp's lashing out without taking into account context is not attractive.-
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Antagon, you legit only have one scum read?-
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Yeah, I find him incredibly scummy but I also think it's pretty safe to leave him alive for a night and see what happens -- likely, the night time will sort it out.-
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Well, I haven't read the thread beyond when I replaced in yet, but so far... I'm leaning scummy. I find that as scum, she manufactures things she thinks are town, and generally has less conviction. I found her "lightbulb" and "you don't need to know" indicative of the former.
I'll let you know in a more cognizant way after I read.
I do plan to read tonight -- I just got home a little while ago, but DID manage to fix my internet. Apparently, windows was downloading an update in the background last night... derp.-
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I will! I'm just trying to get some other real life things done before I commit to sitting down to do it, because I'd like to just blitz through at one time.-
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Zdenek is right-town. We should be doing this the whole game, re: claims.In post 5, Zdenek wrote:Vote: enomis
Because of the alphabet.
Since there's a role that we need to protect, I think that we should probably be somewhat restrictive in claiming: VT's should not claim, PR's can claim depending on their role and the game state, but should consider not claiming. Of course, no hammering until someone has the opportunity to claim/refuse to claim.
Also, spamming the thread should be strongly avoided, since when the days get down to 72 hours, we're going to need to be able to read the thread in that time.
Whimsical Eggplant is wrong-town. Too ballsy for scum.In post 33, Whimsical Eggplant wrote:
Hello, nice to meet you.In post 28, Oversoul wrote:Hello,
No.In post 28, Oversoul wrote:Whimsical Eggplant, are you Mastin
I'm not particularly familiar with this site as of now (played a few games on the site a long time ago), but from the games I've been reading lately, it doesn't seem like people try to break the game too often or without good reason. Why not just enjoy the mod's really cool setup and play the game properly? (I'm not against what's being advocated, but I feel that it is much more useful near theendof a game, when we all have more information. At this point, we know next to nothing, but scum have a pool of information between each other, and are much more likely to benefit from our information. Agreed with mattp(town read) that releasing flavor is a bad idea.
I'd also like to comment that silly joke votes at this point will be met with a quicklynch as we're definitely no longer in a random voting/checkin phase (I forget what the acronym for this is ) There is no reason for anyone to not have a vote down at this point, so please put your vote on someone and provide a reason for it.
I feel that Tammy is trying to feign content by discussing game mechanics/merely commenting instead of scumhunting. Therefore I will
VOTE: Tammy
MattP is concerning me so far. Why are you not solving the puzzle, Matt?-
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As much as I think jumping to SK is a bit of a baffler, I didn't notice that this might be a soft claim until Syryana quoted it. I thought about it, and how much sense does it make for someone who is actually a bullet proof to do this? (None.) But it shows Syryana is LOOKING for soft claims in a way that I wasn't. This is a major scum point for Syryana, though the rest of his posts haven't continued to strike me in the same way.In post 66, Syryana wrote:
Serial killer. KILL IT WITH FIRETammy wrote:My shoes have a mine detector. I'm like, untouchable.
Lynch Tammy first
<3In post 94, MattP wrote:
You're very bad at thisIn post 93, Syryana wrote:Pedit2: Yep, Matt is scum too. This game gonna be EZ
I suggest you replace out and let Amrun take your spot
MATTIn post 101, Katsuki wrote:Hey Matt, just a question. How fun do you think it'd be to be scum with amrun?
WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER THIS
On the converse, this is one of those posts that I liked from syryana.In post 117, Syryana wrote:In post 110, fferyllt wrote:I like your town list. I'd add mrbungle to the probtown.
withholding judgement on Pjo.
And you're town.
In post 141, Zachrulez wrote: I figured that my thought process would be obvious even if one didn't agree with my POV. Since you listed the potential consequences that shockingly DID enter my thought process, I found it prudent to reveal that yes, that is actually a part of my reasoning for the vote.
I brought up the other game to demonstrate that the action does have potential scum motivation and generally no town motivation if a damn good reason for proposing it isn't brought up with it... none of this vague "I have a good reason" bullshit. (My reference to the other game is to put context on the action being scummy, not a personal meta reference.)
I do notice the context you are trying to put my reference of meta into seems to be attempting to make my reference to it look really bad? Are you town? I'm curious.This zach post, followed by this very lackluster unvote from Tierce, give me bad feelings about Tierce. Zach is right; his thought processes were exceedingly obvious and the way Tierce tried to twist them was kind of "lolwut" to me as I was reading them. But I was unsure from that -- but then backing down so quickly? That does not seem like the town Tierce I know.
I quoted this to explain the weird evolution of thought that has happened to me while reading re: eggplant slip. The WHOLE TIME, I have been horribly confused why people thought eggplant slipped re: matt townread. I was like, "But Matt DID say that! What are they oh god what is happening" I was going to make a big section of this post dedicated to why you are all on crack.In post 19, Zdenek wrote:I'm a bit wary about claiming universes, since it could make scum's job easier.
But then I went back to find the post that Matt said it, and it wasn't there! Instead, I think I mis-attributed this Zdenek post as Matt's. Heh.
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Echoing my reaction here. Reading zach strongtown.In post 207, Zachrulez wrote:All it took was for Tierce to ask nicerly ffery?
What don't you like about the wagon Tierce?
I really dislike this appeal to authority. (If you knew what you were doing, you'd read me as town.) Tierce does it, too, but I've seen Tierce do it before as both alignments (though I have to say, more as scum, I think), so it didn't really surprise me there.In post 273, Tammy wrote:
I've never been accused of have a pretty good scum game before so <3.In post 255, sword_of_omens wrote:Tammy– Is also null..although I have her on my watch list, as her scum game is pretty good and I’d hate to get caught with my pants down…
(I'm obviously town already if you know how to read me though )
Why did you ask this, Tierce?In post 312, Tierce wrote:Let's start with the easy part: explain your Townreads.
just now remembered this is a thing
makes everything make more sense
OKAY I'm like half way through but I'm gonna play aoe with katsuki now srrryyyyy. If I don't finish tonight I'll finish tomorrow for sure.-
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Of course I'm aware it's a joke. That doesn't change what it says about you that you decided to joke in THAT particular way.In post 814, Syryana wrote:Pedit: Amrun, did you read the conversation between me and Tammy before that "softclaim"? Because it's pretty apparent the "softclaim" is nothing of the sort(see my comment about lacing dance floors with mines) and the "SERIAL KILLER" was intended as a joke.
but mattIn post 816, MattP wrote:Nooo amrun townread me or I look like an idiot for wanting you to replace in
I still love you.
And I've not officially NOT townread you. You just haven't convinced me yet.
Why did you want me to replace in?
Will you explain how ffery was lying now?
It took me a while to remember what you were talking about. Yeah, that happened, but it was alignment irrelevant, and this is quite a different ballgame altogether. I told everyone from the outset that nothing doing until Monday, and then internet didn't cooperate. I'm reading, though, obviously.In post 817, Tammy wrote:
Yeah, intro to me is the first couple posts, which were meh. You'll forgive me I'm sure if you remember our last game you made excuses for not reading and doing stuff and turned out to be scum. (I realize it was a difficult time in your life, but still.)In post 758, Amrun wrote:Tammy, my intro is underwhelming? What intro? I haven't read the game yet. Lol. I warned upon replacing in that it would take a while because of how my life works out. Mod said it was okay.
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More of the same. You're dismissing a comment on you without comprehending it. I would say this is scummy of you, but it's probably null, since I know you freak out when someone votes you no matter what. But I'm not voting you, so it's a little extreme here...In post 821, Tammy wrote:
Appeal to buzzwhat? Preettttyyy sure the little heart there is a thanks for someone actually being paranoid of me, someone who doesn't believe they have a very good scum game. And I'm kinda sure the emoticon denotes a semi-joke. No, SOO probs doesn't know how to read me as he's only seen me once as scum in the game he's referencing.In post 815, Amrun wrote:[
I really dislike this appeal to authority. (If you knew what you were doing, you'd read me as town.) Tierce does it, too, but I've seen Tierce do it before as both alignments (though I have to say, more as scum, I think), so it didn't really surprise me there.In post 273, Tammy wrote:
I've never been accused of have a pretty good scum game before so <3.In post 255, sword_of_omens wrote:Tammy– Is also null..although I have her on my watch list, as her scum game is pretty good and I’d hate to get caught with my pants down…
(I'm obviously town already if you know how to read me though )
You're not wrecking face Amrun
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Interested in Syry's reasoning on ffery scum.
Aaaaaand I tried to comprehend the past couple pages but I had a ridiculously long day an an interview so my mind is fried. I will get back to this tomorrow after work.-
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In the context of the game it DOES make sense. I DID understand it. It's not the first time you've done it this game. Dropping little hints here and there that if we were smart enough, if we KNEW YOUR META, we WOULD READ YOU AS TOWN. That's an appeal to authority -- it's not a "buzzword" and trying to dismiss it as such is silly. Even if you want to qualify it as a buzzword, that doesn't make it untrue.
And it wasn't a complaint I was making: I was saying that at first, when you made the comment, I didn't understand where you were coming from, but now, upon being remind of the game-that-shall-not-be-mentioned, I do, and that's okay, I get it, but I am reading now.-
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Oh, and sorry if this is news, Tammy, but you are WELL known flailing after votes as any alignment. It was actually a conversation at Balto Meet. I assumed this is something you would know about your play, but if not... Merry Christmas? I was saying that because it's something I would normally designate as scummy but I think it's more of a null tell for you.-
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You seem to have taken some offense -- I didn't mean anything I said as an insult. We all have quirks in our play, and it's not good or bad, just meta that we all get to know by playing with one another. It doesn't matter if there are emoticons, or if it's a joke. You don't get what I'm saying. I'm saying that the way you keep cheekily suggesting you are town, and that if we just knew you better, we would know you were town, is something that I find scummy. There's absolutely no need to be so condescending. I'm commenting on your play, in the context of a game, I think ... or am I not so sure? I have no idea where that came from. Calm down.-
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WHY ARE MY BEAUTIFUL POSTS GONE
VOTE: hp_leaves
For anyone who was SLEEPING when this was discussed... I think there are two scum teams and that Antagon was ghost hammered by the other scum team to protect hp leaves.-
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I haven't read the new posts yet... I'm v v tired but I will do this when I wake up. I started reading them but I'm falling asleep. Just got home from work.-
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I don't agree, Tierce. There are ALL SORTS of ways to balance two scumteams, and the ghost hammering of Antagon makes no sense any other way. I myself have tried interesting ways of balancing two scumteams in a game Vi played. Of course it's POSSIBLE that there isn't two scum teams; this is simply my THEORY. As you yourself said, if it's in the game, it will make sense in the end.
It was discussed much more extensively in the posts that got erased. Basically, I don't think the kills look like either of them was a vig, making the other options limited, and given how the end of the day went down yesterday, I think it's two scumteams. Also just a thing that probably shouldn't hold water in my head but does anyway... I first had the thought when looking at the purple color, because I was expecting red for scum. I was like "nahhhhhh" but then when there were two kills I was like "BUT WAIT"
I do agree about the confusion re: Antagon flip. I'm not entirely sure how that happened, though Matt's reads genuinely. Syryana's is another story. I know myself I excitedly scrolled to the bottom, saw purple and assumed SK, then read more carefully and concluded scum.-
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The color part is really not the part that is important. The important part is that it makes extremely little sense for scum to ghost hammer since Antagon was scum, and it makes EVEN LESS SENSE for TOWN to ghost hammer ESPECIALLY since no one has fessed up today.
The only other thing that even remotely makes sense is hp leaves being a big scum power (since Antagon was vanilla scum as far as I can tell), which STILL make hp leaves scum, sooooooooooooooooo.-
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Why are there Matt votes right now? That's bad and you should feel bad.
I like Syryana more now because if I had two votes, the other would be on ffery, mostly for stuff that the tigers ate. She made no sense during the whole course of that conversation and it didn't read genuinely to me at all.-
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@ferry: Nothing jumps out at me as scummy from soo. Seems fairly standard soo town play to me, at least so far. I'm usually better at reading him in context a little later in the game due to his very minimal play style.-
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When did you take this idea from Adel, hp?-
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Why did you ignore my question?hp [leaves wrote: post_id=5054371 time=1372108328 user_id=10128 post_num=913]
A good player who likes to analyze tells too muchIn post 911, fferyllt wrote:Who is Adel?
I really don't like this because it's divorcing responsibility from your own vote. "A good player said this is a tell, and that's why I'm voting Matt!" Not "I, personally, think Matt is scum." If you're wrong, it wasn't your tell to begin with, right?-
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I never once insisted that it is #3. I literally said the EXACT same thing as sword, except I said I favor option 3 as my pet option. I said several other things are possible, including option 2, but that MOST options STILL point towards hp being scum, HENCE THE VOTE ON HP.
Your sidesniping is unappreciated and unwarranted, though I'm unsure if you're trying to sling mud and plant seeds or just plain rude. Because I've known you to do THAT as either alignment.-
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LUCKILY FOR US
hp is scummy by day play too!-
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He won't take responsibility even for his own stances. I no likey.
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@Tierce:
a) Nothing you said even remotely came close to accurately reflecting the things I said in-game.
b) You weren't even attempting to draw conclusions. If you had been, that would have been quite different. What you actually said was "this is a null tell."
c) You could have said the same thing in a way that would not have been rude, but you chose to be rude.
Especially given A and C, that's why I commented at all. If I had been brow beating people for considering any other possibility than the one I am considering (which I most certainly am not) OR if you hadn't deliberately gone on your way to say something that would step on just about anyone's toes, I would have just rolled my eyes and moved on.
But since there is literally no way one can interpret my posts that way, it bears commenting on to see how you would react.
Are you just being rude for rudeness' sake? Are you going to pretend you weren't being rude on purpose, which you CLEARLY were? Were you doing it to try and get a rise out of me and read me better?
The answer to these questions say something about your alignment.
Your response is to mollify me but continue to be rude, which, all in all, is a fairly good one alignment-wise. But it does not indicate that you are really trying to read me better, so it's not the answer I was hoping for. I thought you were somewhat scummy yesterday, but in light of the flip, I hesitantly changed my read to town. I would really like you to just towntell or scumtell so I can move on, but the paranoia is niggling at me. I have to sort out the things I find scummy in your play all the time from the things that actually are scummy (as with anyone).-
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No, I said what you did was good for alignment, which in hindsight I can see is poor wording. What I mean is that I find your response fairly townie, but not AS townie as some iterations of all possible responses.
But that your conclusion is null is not what bothered me; it's that your wording was DELIBERATELY rude. There are tons of other ways to word the same observations that hold just as much information but are not rude. I was trying to determine your motivation in wording it that way -- which, in the end, seems to be rudeness for rudeness' sake. I don't really care what you think of me or my play, especially given that most (but not all) of your criticisms seem to stem, like this one, from highly selective reading. I can doggedly repeat that my conclusion is not the only right one, but you can conclude that I think my conclusion is the only right one and just ignore all the things I said because ?? (The ?? is what I was trying to figure out.)
Knowing that you're just being rude is important to me, because in this situation, scum is less likely to be rude for rudeness' sake. Making enemies gets you lynched faster.-
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Tammy that really IS tinfoil hat... But I think I kinda like it!! I don't think it's accurate because I independently think Matt is town. But it's so nice and wonderful and neat I wish it was true.-
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wait a minute what the fuck is cultitante
this is something i'm supposed to know ISN'T IT-
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Oh, it was the apocalypse thingie, wasn't it?
Were we supposed to know that before it flipped? Have I forgotten something crucial I once knew?!-
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WELL it's not unlikely if my koolaid is the tastiest. The scum likely know if there is/isn't two scum teams simply based on their team(s). If there is, he could easily assume it was on the other scum team.
And even then, I'm not sure how unlikely it is to feign it -- I almost want to agree, and almost had a moment of striking doubt, but then I thought... Why would town want us to autolynch the thingie even if it was scum? It changes the game in a way to favor scum. I don't really follow that train of thought.
Another possibility is assuming it is self-aligned (which is often denoted scum), which doesn't seem too strange to me. Myself, I never assumed it was town. I just assumed "who the fuck knows" and decided not to draw conclusions without more information.
Hp, feel free to chime in.
p-edit: My first thought was "necrophiliacs can fuck vig shots" and this is disturbing. I think I need a time out.-
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Yeah, that's what I just said in the post above.In post 944, MattP wrote:
Let's talk about this posthp [leaves wrote: post_id=5036869 time=1371358721 user_id=10128 post_num=695]It might be all the stress but did Antagon just softclaim "the role"?
Why is he still alive and not hanging?
Why would town actually ever want to lynch a player that puts us into countdown mode
Like it didn't even cross my mind when I originally read it, just when you were talking about it above as a town tell. I was like "omg what if he's right, no my reaaads" (Exactly like this: )
But then I was like "no, what in the actual fuck"-
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You mean an sk that is also a secret voter???
I could dig that, though it would be quite strange.
p-edit: Wait, really?
But Tierce thought Antagon was town, right?
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Why would you think calling someone town who is, in fact, town would give her cred? Scum know who town are (in a straightforward 1-scum-flavor game, I suppose... which in this argument isn't the case.)
Hmm.
Well, it's an interesting theory. Not sure how grounded it is, but kool aid is fun, isn't it?-
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I think you and maybe one other person were the only ones to suspect zach. I DON'T think any good vig would target him on night 1, even if they suspected him peripherally. It's not OUT OF THE QUESTION, I just find it unlikely.
Zach is a more experienced player with a current scummy, and that often intimidates scum, ESPECIALLY new-scum.
p-edit: Sure, could be -- but either way the only really palpable motivation for doing that is to protect hp leaves.
Even completely disregarding that whole thing, I'd want to lynch hp leaves. So I really, REALLY want to lynch him in light of that.-
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Well, it really only means that you're not the ghost voter. But. Yeah.-
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I think asserting that you wouldn't flip flop on reads as scum is a little strange, Tierce, since I've seen you do that But, regardless, I think the likelihood of you being scum with Antagon is low, and don't have any interest in lynching you.-
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I'm actually interested in Matt's 180 as well.
But it may have happened pre-tigers. Not sure.-
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Because mattp's play, as scum, would be terribad. And that is not Matt.-
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Let me rephrase. His okay doesn't make sense as coming from a scum motivated place.In post 1015, Tierce wrote:
Allow me to disagree and say that MattP was p. terrible scum in Abarat 2. I might be biased because I knew his alignment, but it was definitely not stellar.In post 1014, Amrun wrote:Because mattp's play, as scum, would be terribad. And that is not Matt.-
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You know what makes your analysis of her hp leaves analysis more relevant?
An hp leaves flip.-
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Tierce, you being so sure that there is "the" mafia shot is quite disconcerting.-
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I'm not saying impaled isn't a scum flavor, because I have no clue.In post 1090, Tierce wrote:Look at the kill names. If a mafia shot was stopped, fine, but look at it--what are the odds it's the not-scum kill? I'm not *sure*, but I'm pretty damn certain.
Which kills fail/succeed have nothing to do with their origin.
In fact, mattP seems an odd scum kill to me -- perhaps enomis was an odd vig kill.
But up until the start of this day I was comfortable with you being town. Now, you seem to know more about the kills and kill flavors than me. That's giving me paranoia hat. Also your posts about "why would I fail so much at my reads as scum" makes NO SENSE, as scum are trying to protect their buddies which makes their reads far more likely to fail than the average townsperson.
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Yeah, sk would make far more sense than vig -- but the distinction was arbitrary in this case. I meant I don't know who killed them, but you do, and that's disconcerting.
And your flailing on Antagon is THE reason i had you as town -- but not because it itself was town, because honestly it made you look quite scummy, but because I knew you were smart enough to not do that with your scumbuddy.
But you trying to swear this makes you town is nullifying that. First of all, it doesn't mean you're town. It means that you're unlikely to be scum WITH Antagon. With hammer shenanigans and an unaccounted for kill, that doesn't mean town, and even though you admitted this when pressed, you keep subtly changing wording to others to suggest otherwise.
But the more you insist that what you did makes you town the less sure I am that you're right. The only goal of scum is to look town, and what you're doing is you wouldn't do something with obvious scum motivation because it's too obvious. I had come to this conclusion privately, but the thing is is that the more you act like it's now ridiculous to lynch you the more it becomes clear is you think this activity makes you look town. And that means that you're completely cognizant of it and would have done it as either alignment.
I'm trying to determine how tinfoil hat this is, and I had decided "too much" until you rang major "inside information" alarm bells after day start.-
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Eh, I've decided Tierce is town. I'm letting the paranoia go. She does usually insist a lot of things make her town that don't at all.-
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I've been waiting for this to get addressed organically, but now that Zdenek has asked, it's out of the bag.In post 1156, Zdenek wrote:Syryana, why have you backed off fferyllt?
Syryana, a town flip from hp should have increased your suspicion of ffery according to yesterday. It didn't. I want to know why.
(For the record, I was going to vote ffery out of the gate today but decided I wanted to watch this develop instead without influencing it.)
I have some recent posts to review but I'm too tired.-
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Oh god i forgot how soon this day might end.
Katsuki... I noticed a similar thing when I didn't understand why Katsuki wasn't voting for mattP when he "assumed" Matt was the double voter. Katsuki did eventually vote for Matt. This immediately made me suspicious but some later stuff katsuki did made me feel better -- this was all eaten in the crash.
I was waiting to hear Katsuki's answers to the lack of Syryana vote -- but he didn't fold to pressure this time. (If he answered these, I missed it.)
I wanted to see if he'd fold again, and had a pet theory he was scum if he did, but he didn't so now I'm conflicted. I don't oppose the katsuki wagon, because not voting in those situations still makes no sense to me from a town perspective, but, all in all, I'd rather...
VOTE: ffery
The ffery/Syryana interaction reads very much like scum on town -- though which side of it is scum i keep flip flopping on. Matt pushed ffery (though inconsistently) and I've had overall more problems with Her all game, so I would rather pursue ffery.
I also think at least one of the scum is a more experienced player, because that ghost hammer on Antagon really set up suspicion on one of Matt or hp or both. Matt's following death made me think this more, like they realized after hp town flip he wouldn't be lynched. Hp was obviously a frame job but you don't let that sort of wifom live without very good reason. (Actually, I think it was more likely meant to frame Matt, but who knows really.)
Matt's reputation being what is, I'm not too concerned about his list. It should be considered but not used as a bible.-
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Ffery, why are you digging for my role?
Kill that plz. Wowza.-
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Why would pjo know your role? On day 1, wasn't it?
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I don't know your role so pjo didn't.
But why are you doing this
It makes no sense
As either alignment why would you do this
My brain is full of fuck halp-
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Why DIDN'T you push it yesterday, Syryana?
I have no idea why implosion was lynched, need to read the end of the day. I am assuming it was deadline rush.-
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Okay I see. I was thinking ffery was the most likely to go through if not Katsuki. Didn't forsee it veering onto implosion butttttt y'know things happen. I had a fairly strong townread on implosion anyway.
I didn't realize quite how close deadline was last night when I posted -- thought I'd have time to check in this morning.
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@tammy:
I missed some of your posts from earlier.
My town read on Matt had nothing to do with his self meta, but on my own read of him. I also think what he was saying was TRUE (that it would make him a sitting duck to do that as scum), whereas Tierce was saying that something made her town that DIDN'T actually make her town, which I found disingenuous. (when we talked about it she even agreed but then later went back to saying it made her town). i I got a little paranoid but I decided it WAS just that: paranoia and stuck with my Tierce townread. And quite honestly had Matt survived very long my paranoia would have acted up on him, too, most likely. He's not the type of player most scumteams leave alive for long.
And I didn't expect people to follow me by voting ffery early, and I never suggested that. Don't put words into my mouth. The only person I was concerned about it influencing was a potential scum-Syryana. If his read was genuine, it wouldnt matter who talked about it or voted it. A townsperson with a convicted read will attack his opponent early on in this context. A scum player might do the same if he knows townspeople (like me, but who it was was arbitrary) are willing to vote with him, but might hang back if he's unsure.
It all had to do with his REASONS for suspecting ffery. He was "most" concerned with her superficial read on hp leaves, and when I noted that an hp leaves flip would be relevant to her alignment, he hammered. But then when hp flipped town -- which SHOULD have made him go "aha!" or at least address it -- he backed off and played it cautious. It's instant tonight so he couldn't even have gotten distracted/forgotten.
I don't understand why. I'm still waiting for an explanation.
I feel pretty confident that one of ffery/Syryana is scum and this issue is really at the heart of which of them is. So muting the information I could garner from his behavior is really just shooting myself in the foot. It's a unique situation.
P-edit: well the above is a pretty good summary of what I'm thinking.
I need to think about why tierce might be killed, but she was generally townread and that's probably a good enough reason. Even with a few dissenters, a lynch wasn't getting traction. But still.... Still thinking about this.-
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