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lolIn post 21, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote: I'm suspicious of the Slandaar vote, though. Who puts three votes on someone in RVS?
What is the wrong with putting 3 votes on someone in RVS when it is 10 to lynch?
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Which was?In post 54, oriole wrote:Hmm. It seems I was anticipating something that never materialized.-
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No, I voted Titus because hes scum.In post 26, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote: Because it's odd. There's plenty of people in the game that you could have put an RVS on that didn't already have one. Now you're going to Titus when called out for it.
You Reacted for one.In post 49, TiphaineDeath wrote:How can anyone have any kind of reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote?-
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Random votes with no reason.
If you are town and vote without reason and then others do, there is literally no reason to question it (you are town who did it so why wouldn't other town) also realise he is saying 'another vote' which means mine was included which he posted after with no reasoning. Why would he do that if he believes they should be explained?In post 20, Titus wrote:Yeah another vote without a reason....
Weird kind of encouragement 'get those guys!' while not doing anything himself; where is his vote?In post 23, Titus wrote:
Don't forget stubbs's fourth.In post 21, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:Nah, Xx MLG_Stubbs_360NOVOTEZ xX already had a vote on me.
I'm suspicious of the Slandaar vote, though. Who puts three votes on someone in RVS?
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Why isn't Jabs scum again? why is he even thinking a lyncher is in the game? Why are we not just both scum? Doesn't make any sense to be assuming what he is.In post 31, Titus wrote:5 votes already
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Who said anything about lynching him?In post 128, Titus wrote: I don't know if Jabs is scum or not yet. Given the urge to lynch him and the game hasn't really started, I'd go with town for now.
lolIn post 128, Titus wrote: Stubbs was posting that he was voting Varsoon artificially inflating the count to those who weren't watching closely. Paranoia on you because you seem to really want Jabs lynched
'if 7 more people came into the thread and voted Jabs without realising Stubbs was voting he could get lynched!!!' Never going to happen. Just playing the 'lets sound protown' card.
Again; Where did I say I wanted to lynch him?
Explain why you made a reasonless vote then;In post 128, Titus wrote: Random votes are not votes with no reason. They are random in order to start the game. Reasonless votes are suspect, no matter how many are on the train.I like the way you are just making things up.
Well considering I voted you before that your 'argument' doesn't hold.In post 128, Titus wrote: You over reacted for a mental note where even I said I was paranoid.-
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UghIn post 184, Titus wrote: My vote on oriole was RVS, thus not reasonless like I defined. Third and forth votes are not random and thus need a reason to be done.
So, you just have literally no clue what RVS is, I will reread this tomorrow I need to relook at stuff; RVS does not mean pure random. 3rd and 4th are (probably) not random by definition of the word random but they don't mean the people making them want a lynch either, however, by making wagons you get more information from pressure and reactions than everyone voting purely at random because that accomplishes exactly nothing.
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If everyone voted completely randomly, what happens when everyone knows everyone is voting completely randomly? NOTHING.In post 200, Titus wrote: A purely random vote may usually do that. Mafia are the ones who jump for no logical reason.
Nothng happens because no votes mean anything at all.
OK look over Jabs posts when he got a few votes, or yours. It worked and the game began. How much did your random vote contribute? it didn't your vote was completely pointless.In post 200, Titus wrote: You claim reaction fishing but a seasoned player will not have a reaction to that many votes. It too is pointless.
No it didn't as shown above, your vote did nothing.In post 200, Titus wrote: However, my votes seem to get the game going and scum are likely thinking easy mislynch. Well, not this game. Scum will pay if y'all lynch me. I'm not afraid. Bring it on.
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VOTE: Baezu
This game is such a mess...
lolIn post 213, Amrun wrote:Where is your fire and brimstone, Slandaar?In post 214, Rift Adrift wrote: Why the unvote, Slandaar?
The guy just made a big revelation. What I was thinking was wrong. It was late thus 'will look at this tomorrow'In post 198, Slandaar wrote:
UghIn post 184, Titus wrote: My vote on oriole was RVS, thus not reasonless like I defined. Third and forth votes are not random and thus need a reason to be done.
So, you just have literally no clue what RVS is, I will reread this tomorrow I need to relook at stuff; RVS does not mean pure random. 3rd and 4th are (probably) not random by definition of the word random but they don't mean the people making them want a lynch either, however, by making wagons you get more information from pressure and reactions than everyone voting purely at random because that accomplishes exactly nothing.
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Show me where one of your random votes achieved something.In post 200, Titus wrote:However, my votes seem to get the game going and scum are likely thinking easy mislynch. Well, not this game. Scum will pay if y'all lynch me. I'm not afraid. Bring it on.-
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Your vote did not do anything it was the votes on Jabs getting a reaction from you/jabs that actually 'got the game going'In post 424, Titus wrote: RVS is a method of getting the game going. My vote in this game tells me Stubbs isn't reading with any sort of eye for detail.
You made a completely random vote with no reasoning, so show me where a vote like that has accomplished something.In post 200, Titus wrote:However, my votes seem to get the game going-
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lolIn post 442, Titus wrote:Sometimes RVS succeeds. Sometimes it fails. The original Jabs vote was likely RVS. RVS is a method. A single RVS vote doesn't likely move the game from RVS by itself.
Just think when it fails. 9 players all vote randomly, player 1; so uh, what do we do next? player 2; dunno, more random votes? fun ensues.
I see you learnt this trash from Thor, so that makes sense at least. He didn't explain it properly.
RVS does not mean you vote at RANDOM because random does not do anything the basic idea is to vote with a reason even if its terrible and then esclate things one way or another, one such way is to just vote one person and start a wagon and then people will say stuff about the wagon via reactions people like you. It always works.
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Yes it definitely is.In post 451, Metal Sonic wrote: i wonder if speaking in another language is against the rules?-
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lolIn post 480, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:Jabarkas glad that everyone in this game is a walking textbook on the wrong definitions of things.
Jabarkas not so glad we waste time arguing about how wrong everyone is.
You guys need play game.
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Them walking textbooks on the wrong definitions of things! so annoying!
Obviously town can buddy town; town benefits from it in exactly the same way scum does just like town can lurk or any other 'scumtell'.
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Titus; Depends what he says if he does go and reread but hes probably town, I can see what he has been saying now, its terrible but it makes sense following his rules.
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Baezu, bad intro ignoring a lot of things and focusing on 'weird' not scummy with lotsa nice buzzwords.
Rift, 'independent thought = scum' trying to suggest I can't change my mind is beyond bad also.
Eddie, plain reads list did nothing else. didn't contribute at all; decent vote.
Sonic Done nothing
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I prefer my vote where it is.In post 499, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:@Titus/Slandaar: Wanna group on the wolf?
Its one of these things scum do, like when they call people anti-town instead of scum it is using the wrong wording or they say pro-town instead of town.In post 257, Baezu wrote: Anyway, I do think Jabarkus has been actingweird- the overreaction on the votes, the overly defensive attitude, the comment on Slandaar.
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The mod obviously can't answer you but; why are you asking?
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None of this thank you.In post 602, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:prove that you should replace out of this game?
lolIn post 614, Titus wrote: I'm seriously considering moving to level 2, because of you Jabs.
I'm on level 3 so do it, I need a concrete read on you!
Thank you for your input.In post 623, elvis_knits wrote: I see a lot of back and forth between Amrun and Jabarkus.
I see wagons on Beazu and Stubbs.
I see Beazu has posted once.
I see stubbs made some odd comment about somebody being town and having a buddy.
I think I saw something Ghostlin said that made me think they're not a worry.
TownIn post 629, TiphaineDeath wrote:Ok, that's enough, out of all of you.
Jabs, if Amrun was scum, no way in hell he would still be on titus after I blew the fuck out of that wagon. Let it go.
Titus, don't help out with the shitstorm that is Amrun and jabs, you're just encouraging town on town.
Amrun, I have role related info that says jabs is town. Though honestly at this point I can see your point of view because, even with that information, I want to fucking vote him. Unfortunately, I cannot, so go vote someone useful.
Rift, same message to you as titus. I know you think you're defending an obv town from someone who's scummy as fuck. What is actually happening here is you are helping to create the smoke cloud for real scum to hide behind.
So can we all just fucking chill? Because as far as I am concerned right now.
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Are all town. So all ya'll lay off each other and come vote stubbs with me, K?
@Jabs: If a post is misread then it was misread by the person not by an alignment. Think about it.-
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Eh Stubbs seems town to me.
Pretty town.In post 492, StubbsKVM wrote:I get that a lot. I usually find myself agreeing with others instead of finding scum myself.I'm trying though.
I would think that most of it is about Titus actually.
Very town.In post 625, StubbsKVM wrote:
Every line in this post is crappy.In post 580, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:Vote: Amrun
This, combined with the poor way you pressured me to make a Titus case for you, combined with your weak, WIFOM-y Titus case...
I think there's enough votes on Baezu to get something from the slot.
And I know Stubbs isn't active in this game.
Having a vote on you is the best vote right now.
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It's funny how you keep trying to come off as having all the answers.
Anyone who doesn't agree with your reads is scum or a "lvl 1 town", and others who aren't keeping up with your amount of shitposting are "not active" "lurkers".
The least you can do is show some respect for players who are trying to contribute to this game. Some people have a real life and aren't online 24/7.
Rift: Could you show me why you were so strongly in favour of a Titus lynch? I must have missed it in your ISO or were you voting purely for that 'ATE' stuff.-
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In post 778, elvis_knits wrote:I have been half-following events, and while i agree that the lurkers are problematic and there is probably some scum in there, I think lurker lynch for a D1 wagon is weak sauce and tells us nothing, and that people who want to lurker lynch on D1 are potentially scummy.So basically you want to lynch a lurker after suggesting lynching a lurker is a bad idea as it tells us nothing?
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The bolded is your answer nice waffle though.In post 793, Rift Adrift wrote: When it comes to votes, Syr and I go about trajectory differently, but early unsupported votes are a tactic that we both sometimes use to see what shakes loose wrt to the person voted and wrt to other players' reactions. We thought roflcopter was making a lot of sense at the point where Syr dropped a vote.We thought titus' freakout over a 3 vote rvs wagon on another player and his dissonance about RVS being reasonless or not looked pretty bad. His subsequent reactions and early partiial-claim also didn't sit well.We thought you were making sense, as well, and when you unvoted and backed away, it particularly pinged for Syr, but later developments have assuaged most of that concern.
Do you realise why the dissonance and 3 vote wagon isn't good reasoning now?-
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Yes.In post 809, Rift Adrift wrote: Are you talking about Stubbs here?
No he gave an explanation that makes sense albeit a bit crazy but hes new here and probably learnt it from other sites. Thus unless you can prove one way or the other his beliefs are not his beliefs there is no argument here.In post 810, Rift Adrift wrote: I think you discount that reasoning too heavily.
They could which is why its not surefire.In post 806, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:@Slandaar: I mean, yeah, that's pretty genuine, but scum could write those letters in that arrangement just as easily. It's not too hard to play town when you're playing scum.
But as you agreed it does look pretty genuine and so does look quite town.
My other point was good too, but I thought is more obvious; he was defending a town read from a case (a terrible case) although you won't see it that way.-
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If people don't break the rules they don't get the punishments. It is not over policing it is enforcing rules, they are not there just as guidelines.In post 884, TiphaineDeath wrote:I have gotten so-SO tired of people being force replaced, suspended, banned, whatever the fuck. This over policing style seriously bugs me. What are we, mtgs?
Context of quote 1: He is saying his scumhunting is bad but he is trying the trying bit looks town.In post 886, Rift Adrift wrote: I agree about his early play and unvote. And I mostly agree about his overall play. But, he started to slip scumward again IMO starting with post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5171944 and going on for his next few posts after that. Calling Stubbs town for maiking contextless posts doesn't add up IMO.
Context of quote 2: He is defending a townread of his (strongly)
What other Context is required?
The other main reason I find him town is his attack on Titus but those 2 quotes are good and should stem any further votes on him with less effort.
Stubbs IS town.
What?In post 897, Aunt Jemina wrote: To answer about meta, I typically will not read a completed game which I have not already read or skimmed for the purposes of meta inside a current game.
However, if I read or skimmed a completed game, then I will probably read what is offered to get a better meta read.
It is safer to assume I will not read the game, so if you have reads based off of meta, link to the game, describe the player, describe what's similar, and describe what is different, to give me an idea.
This is a waffly mess.
Elvis/Baezu as buddies? I don't think its that unlikely, Elvis was the one suggesting not to lynch lurkers and then Baezu comes in takes the easy route during her 'catchup' and just distances/busses.
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In post 257, Baezu wrote:Fuck, this game moved fast! I checked in yesterday and it wasn't even going...
Anyway, I do think Jabarkus has been acting weird - the overreaction on the votes, the overly defensive attitude, the comment on Slandaar.
VOTE: Mayo
So that was my view after this first post.In post 495, Slandaar wrote: Baezu, bad intro ignoring a lot of things and focusing on 'weird' not scummy with lotsa nice buzzwords.
Then her second call it 'introduction' she committed the same crime of ignoring a lot of things for the second time and only focusing on one thing (which was elvis). She did start saying scum this and scummy etc, but that was probably because I made a bigger deal of that point and thus she fixed it in her play. (I would argue if she kept using similar language she would be town)
Now, everyone after this post can either vote Baezu or explain to me why you do not think she is scum. Focusing on one person during both of her 'intros' or catchups whatever you want to call them is SCUM.-
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Sure lets do itIn post 1104, Titus wrote:@TD/Slandaar, since we like each other as town (I think), why don't we put together a list of people we are willing to lynch, look at the pros and cons and decide as a unit who we want to lynch?
Baezu----Rift-Elvis------Eddie-----------AJ-----------------------------------Angel
Left is preferred lynch obviously and then the distance apart from Baezu is how willing I would be to lynch each. Angel is more of a 'well if I can't get any of my preferred lynches' option.
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You have a strong suspicion based on Penguin only having 3 (main) suspects?In post 961, Aunt Jemina wrote: I have a strong suspicion that this game is multiscum. Ally listed three suspects, in a game which should have four or even five.
I think the opposite and is the main reason I think the slot is town.In post 961, Aunt Jemina wrote:
Even if this is incorrect, my sourread on Ghosty has increased. This is not a town Ally (penguin_alien). This is distinctly Ally's scumplay. In addition to the overall lack of her town self, there is the fact that she is misrepping my points on Grinny, Angel, and Orry. I explicitly said that Grinny and Angel wereweakerreads on mymemoryof their meta whichI have not checked on to confirm. Orry is not a meta read at all, and yet is lumped in with the others.
This, however, is good.In post 961, Aunt Jemina wrote:
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I now demand you Rift to show me where this meta argument comes from;In post 245, Rift Adrift wrote:Slandaar's unvote worries us. Titus is being a scumfuck and Slandaar is like one of MS's top tier tunnellers. What do you think?
To make such arguments you must have town meta on me where I tunnel one person from page 10 to infinity.In post 247, Rift Adrift wrote:Exactly. Whenever Slandaar takes a step back for no apparent reason it worries the hell out of me.
On a side note, what do you think about roflcopter?
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I just wondered how my name got into a post completely irrelevant to everything else.In post 1231, Rift Adrift wrote: This looks like one of those quote-highlight mishaps. I have no idea what you are asking.-
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Well we achieved the same conclusion but for completely different reasons.In post 1253, Rift Adrift wrote:His content improved dramatically and he's looking mostly caught up though there are a few things I think he's still shaky on. Seeing how that plays out may improve some other reads. He's posting in a way that reminds me strongly of the Amnesiac game we played together, where he came into an already long day 1, got mostly caught up, and basically rehabilitated a slot that I had been scumreading prior to him replacing in., He's not a replacement in this game, but he's been kinda prod-dodging up until the prior 24 hours or so and obviously wasn't caught up.
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EhIn post 1286, StubbsKVM wrote:Rift, if you want a better view on my meta, I advise you to read the Pick your Poison game, it has just finished, and you can find a link to it on my wiki page.
In case you don't want to read it, maybe Slandaar could fill you in, he was also in it.
I think it's a better representation of my play compared to the newbie game.
I am fairly sure Stubbs is town, fairly being a bit of an understatement. Don't really see the need to say anything else.-
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I knew the answer obviously, yes. It is completely backwards.In post 1264, Rift Adrift wrote: Talked to Syr, and he says you know why he can't answer this question right now. For your scum meta, his word is "tenements".
In Tenements where I just tried to lynch the vig before and after his claim as an sk, I took a step back?
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Well you passed the test you are definitely a viable candidate for the role of obvtown admissions checker there is no doubting that, however, I just don't know about this being lower grade of obvtown stuff and so I feel there probably is a better candidate for this particular job and so with great regret sonic
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Well he has no town meta that can be mentioned.In post 1303, Rift Adrift wrote: I'm not following you. It wasn't about taking a step back being part of your scum game. It was that taking a step back wasn't what he knows of your town game.
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BRO is scum.
'Oh look I made a disaster' uh good job? there was already a Baezu wagon who was already clearly scum what was the point what has been achieved? He did not purposefully cause said 'disaster' I mean its just nonsense and said disaster did nothing useful he was just caught.
He loves this scale? Makes sense (Read: No it does not)In post 1513, Rift Adrift wrote:Current Townreads (in no particular order and some are stronger than others):
Amrun
roflcopter
Zoidberg
Oriole
Slandaar
ConfTown Brain Trust (also sometimes known as "the circle jerk" or "those *expletives* people")
Ghostly Penguin
BROseidon
AA9
Softclaim etc.
Broscum lynch value is much much higher than Baezu; Everyone get back on this wagon. Baezu can go tomorrow.
VOTE: BRO
In fact I have had enough
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Me
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Ghost
Sonic
One is scum and 4 town of varying cop sanities with a qt and daychat.
Bro is the scum, when he is lynched the rest of us are conftown hence the value of the lynch.
Why isn't it Sonic? perhaps you debate this? He pmed the mod about the alignment of the as we knew it liar and mod told him scum; this makes him town alone. I have confirmed this myself. I very highly doubt he does this as scum.
Why did you claim Sland? Well scum already know about us so it doesn't make much difference except for the fact now the whole town does too.
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He won't. I probably would default to ghost but its BRO and so its quite irrelevant.In post 1555, Titus wrote:Can one of my games just have players be sane?
What happens if Bro flips town Slandaar?
I have looked at the posts and maybe I didn't explain it clearly I will do that in a second.In post 1564, Titus wrote:Umm how OP is the town right now?
We have 5 cops, 2 players knowing each other, and my role, that's at least 7 confirmed town if Slandaar is right. That smells waay too easy.
ScumSonic: Hm I am going to PM the mod to ask if my role is scum or not!!!!In post 1571, BROseidon wrote: And MS pming the mod to ask him isn't much town cred when the first thing I said in the QT was bitching about being in a side-game of Dethy because I hate Dethy.
Really?
He obviously pmed the mod because I got the exact same answer which was strange because the PM's didn't make it clear the Liar was scum.
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So the five of us are
Sland
Rofl
Sonic
Ghost
BRO
4 of us are cops, we do not know our sanity, each of us has one of the sanity's from (Insane, Sane, Paranoid, Naive) and there is only one of each sanity. Results are useless till we know who is who. Then the 5th person is the Liar who was confirmed to be scum.
I think that explains it clearly.
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Yes thats it the WIFOM argument.In post 1581, BROseidon wrote: "Let me say I PM'd the mod for towncred even though I know I'm scum."
Your WIFOM is bad and you should feel bad.
What is so WIFOM about it? you are trying to suggest Sonic is some mastermind scum who decided pming the mod to ask his own slots alignment is a towntell hence he would do it?
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