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Kind of like this:In post 21, BirdAndBeast wrote:
town.In post 11, Svenskt Stål wrote:I really really am, planning to put in good work.
And I mean, I love all three of you but wtf at 3 headed hydras.
Could be scum.In post 17, Infinite Jesters wrote:so how long do we have bro around cos he is in the night shift and I want to leave him a juicy trail that will hopefully result in a list of his reads
VOTE: BROseidonVote: BandBI have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Really?In post 24, Svenskt Stål wrote:I think that coming in and realizing that coordinating lynches will be different/needs another appoach is a towny mindset I think.
I'd say it was obvious to everyone who read the rules from before they got their role pm.
Vote them please.In post 25, AGar wrote:Pl0x be 2 refraining from dis. TIA.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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The list in the sign up thread just said Kuribo and DGB.In post 59, BirdAndBeast wrote:Thought of something in the QT, want to post it here:
Isn't Serene2's third head anonymous?In post 30, Zdenek wrote:I was really hoping to share a shift with Logical Duality so I could push a policy lynch on secret hydras (because that's always fun). I mean I guess I could do that anyway, but that would be boring.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Goofy?In post 26, Infinite Jesters wrote:oh. except your goofy vote on zden.
I mean crazy is more like it.
Do you think this is going to make such a big difference?In post 33, Svenskt Stål wrote:it had actually not occured to me that we only have half the time to express ourself.
Cheeky-scum, in particular.
Re. BandB:
At this stage, there's not really too many ways to be worse than them.In post 58, AGar wrote:They aren't exactly someone I'd peg for scum so. Wrong, but not scum.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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No, no, it wouldn't be, and here it's worse.In post 58, AGar wrote:Yes, trying to cut out things like voting for the player who is mod-confirmed unlynchable town in the other shift surely benefits scum. If it were a normal game, sure that'd be funny and fine.
There is no fucking point to this post.In post 80, BirdAndBeast wrote:
But can she not read other players for shit?In post 77, Serene2 wrote:i'm not ignoring you mollie, i just figure it's too early to remind you that you can't read me for shit
I don't care about the mason claim because of pre-game discussion.
No, there isn't. I don't think that much of what's been said is indicative of anyone's alignment.In post 102, BirdAndBeast wrote:In the mean time, more questions.
Zdenek: Why haven't you given thoughts on the other players, yet? Granted, yeah, only five pages, literally half of which is ours (we have nearly 50/100 posts), but there's still plenty of content from people that you can get reads off of.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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AP how do feel about this post?In post 104, BirdAndBeast wrote:If it helps, though:
It's really. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally. Pretty dang obvious that we're town. Like, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
^That BirdAndBeast was "we're so obvscum that it hurts, but maybe if we switch 'scum' with 'town', people will buy our BS".
This game is "we're seriously, legitimately, honestly obvtown, more than even Street Racers". (No mean feat. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4556164 )
The Sven one? because that's a rather hilarious criticism. I mean you're right, but seriously, with the way this crowd will throw around town reads, it's not really surprising.In post 115, Infinite Jesters wrote:serene was way too quick to give that town read IMO
I'm inclined to agree.In post 133, Serene2 wrote:the fact that you're actually taking that post as a serious town read makes me want to ask you if you still can't read me or if you're just scum
Still scum.In post 137, BirdAndBeast wrote:
VOTE: Serene.In post 133, Serene2 wrote:the fact that you're actually taking that post as a serious town read makes me want to ask you if you still can't read me or if you're just scum
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That's okay with me. You can vote them.In post 162, MrZepher wrote:I'm not inclined to think BandB is scum at this point in time, but I wouldn't be against lynching them just to remove them from the game if they're going to spam the whole time.
MrZeph, what criteria are you using to decide if you want to see someone flip?
Cool. The lover's claim is real.
What is it that surprises you?In post 174, Svenskt Stål wrote:All, I would be down with a BandB lynch, I am leaning town but I dont care, the spamming is just too much. I knew mastin was a clown player without skill but I am suprised to AP sinking into mastins filth.
And now your town reading them?
This progression makes no sense.
Could you add some words here?In post 183, MrZepher wrote:The fact that Jordan has done paramount to nothing yet the Agar train is still going tells me that Agar is probably town.
I think you've come to the right conclusion, but I'd still love to know why.In post 198, Svenskt Stål wrote:I dont think BandB is town any more. FIne iwth lynching that slot.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Nope. I voted you for a real reason right off the bat. That you decided to RVS someone who's not even here. That doesn't put pressure on anyone and it avoids conflict.In post 241, BirdAndBeast wrote:Zdenek originall voted us for cryptic/policy/rvs reasons and is morphing that vote into a real one.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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So you want us to listen to Mastin's self-provided meta. LOLZIn post 242, BirdAndBeast wrote:
The fuck do you want me to say about it? Mastin is being a cheeky town butt, but hes right.In post 240, Zdenek wrote:AP how do feel about this post?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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In post 77, Serene2 wrote:i'm not ignoring you mollie, i just figure it's too early to remind you that you can't read me for shit
Uh oh.In post 199, Infinite Jesters wrote:p.s. - I have ALWAYS read you correctly
I'm not unhappy that the lovers are outed.
Yes, this is possible.In post 205, Infinite Jesters wrote:wrt bold: makes me think you don't really think that bird people are actually scum and are just voting them for the hell of it.
You're seriously going back to this?In post 209, Infinite Jesters wrote:you are being positively useless if town and seem to be butthurt about being outed. what do you think about serene's instatownread on you? like you haven't mentioned it at all and I find that weird.
I'm looking forward to the answer to this.In post 223, Svenskt Stål wrote:Were you not lovers in anything goes and effectively cleared day 1 after you claimed with whoever it was?
I really hate that your criticizing Infinite Jesters for not providing reasoning and foliowing it up with that.In post 227, Svenskt Stål wrote:
I like this, please keep this.In post 225, BirdAndBeast wrote:We haven't coordinated over the last 12 hours or so, but I have a few bullet points to share.
1) Anyone not townreading Mollie is doing it wrong. REALLY wrong. She is transparently town.
2) Brian Skies is better than his entry post makes me think he is, so leaning scum on him from pure burden of proficiency.
3) Goat probably townslipped by posting because if he were scum, hed be more aware of the gamestate due to having daytalk in his QT
4) I realize we've been trolling, but really? We're pretty fucking town, ESPECIALLY since point 3 ^ makes Goat practically conftown, you're all welcome.
Also why are you not townreading me? I dont understand what I am doing wrong. Help me.
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This is silly.In post 232, Serene2 wrote:Nice try using fake dissonance to discredit a claimed lover of all things.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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I don't know. It's just weird in light of your criticism of IJ.In post 252, Svenskt Stål wrote:Ika has 2 posts, what kind of reasons could I have?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Well re-reading, you were actually criticizing them for not being able to follow their thoughts and thinking that their logic was just to piss people off, as opposed to not providing reasons, so I this bothers me less - I mean I still don't understand your vote, but carry on.In post 256, Svenskt Stål wrote:
Explain why.In post 254, Zdenek wrote:
I don't know. It's just weird in light of your criticism of IJ.In post 252, Svenskt Stål wrote:Ika has 2 posts, what kind of reasons could I have?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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I think it would be bad in another game, and that it's worse in this one.In post 258, AGar wrote:Are you saying it wouldn't be funny in another game? Or it's worse to try and stop it here? Not following, Zed.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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How exactly is the tune that he wants town to be listening to, scum-oriented?In post 51, BirdAndBeast wrote:
So do I, I just think the track he wants the town to be listening to is a scum-oriented tune.In post 49, Serene2 wrote:I feel like he's at the very LEAST trying to keep the town on track for having a productive first shift
This would not be a positive thing at this point, so why do you want it and what do you think warranted it?In post 56, BirdAndBeast wrote:
Mastin wants you to rage more.In post 53, Serene2 wrote:In post 52, BirdAndBeast wrote:You can keep a town on track.
A town? sure. this town? EHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEI have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Can you remind me of a game where you said that I gave you town-vibes?In post 284, BirdAndBeast wrote:I'm not feeling the townvibes from him, which I normally do.
That's something I remember DGB saying about me, but not you.
You linking your games is self provided meta. I can't even believe I have to say that.In post 284, BirdAndBeast wrote:That wasn't self-provided meta. That was me making a statement. "We're really. REALLY. Obviously town." And backing it up with examples of what that means.
How do you think he's not following them?In post 285, BirdAndBeast wrote:Because while the words he says are good words, he's not exactly following them himself and what direction he DOES point them to looks highly, well...bad?
I presume the direction that you have a problem with is his suspicion of Jordan?
So you think there's something they should have gotten angry about?In post 285, BirdAndBeast wrote:Both of us were noting Serene's, well, serenity, was concerning.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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This is verifiably false. If you look at our three most recent completed games where we were both town. NY165 is the only one where you read me correctly early on. As for the other two:In post 292, BirdAndBeast wrote:Every single game of yours in the last couple of years we've shared? (Okay, granted. One or both heads of us have been scum in almost every single game we've had with you. BUTSTILL.)
Adventure Time Mafia. You were with Nacho as Calcifer. Here was your read on me early on. We were both town.
"Nullish-town. Opposite of you on Vifam, which is nullish-scum."
In fairness, later Nacho town read me: " Rainbowdash, Kawaii, Zdenek, bv, Zoidberg plus both masons are also townreads"
but then you went back to scum in 1833, voted me in 2110.
Pikmin Mafia. We were both town. Here was your first read on me.
"NULL:
Zajnet (eh, gut says scum, but no posts=no read), PeregrineV, Zdenek (if I had a read on him, I've forgotten it. He's posted, but I honestly don't remember him--basically, a lesser PV). (3.)"
as for later on (post 1791) you went to weak town because of me pushing on someone. In 2735 you said I looked like scum.
I won't go on.
If we look at NY:165 as Calcifer, you read me correctly (early, post 29, 53), but you were iffy on me later on (2315).
The point is that you do not have a history of reading based on giving off town-vibes, maybe in NY:165, but then you certainly doubted whether they were right. So I think you've borrowed a way of reading me from DGB because it sounds good.
I also don't like that you are encouraging Kuribo to rage.
I don't think it's a town-tell.In post 295, AGar wrote:But they're tunneling like a mofo, not relenting even against some significant flaws in their case being pointed out. That's a fairly strong towntell for me D1.
What is this plan?In post 304, ika wrote:I could care less about mecanics atm b/c i have a way of dealing with all this and already have plans and everything.
I'd still love to hear about your BandB town-read.In post 315, Infinite Jesters wrote:
this would be much more effective IF EITHER OF YOU COULD HAVE BEEN BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY VOTE SCUM MASTINA IN ANYTHING GOES.In post 310, Serene2 wrote:don't forget, pidgeon, it was me that caught your monkey-ass out twice as scum TWICE
i'ma get your motherfuckin ass in this game too
last I recall I was the only 1 in this game to do so. wait desp voted them.
I asked you a question don't pussy out now.
I also asked sven some questions and I am still waiting a response!
I'm giving him time.In post 319, Venmar wrote:Jordan IS insisting that he is busy, and he IS instead posting fluff to contradict that, but is this really ascumtell?
It did not look like it was out of the blue:In post 323, ~Jordan` wrote:
I specifically voted for Serene out of the blue in order to force myself to produce content later.It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to do so much as quote a post and highlight the scummy part of it.
The fact that it's page 13 and I'm still waiting for basic information tells me that jordan got called out for something he didn't expect to get called out for.
but I guess I don't care since you have reasoning given now.In post 116, ~Jordan` wrote:I'm going tovote Serenenow so that I feel compelled to explain why before bedtime.
I really don't want to look at Anything Goes Mafia cause it seems like a shit show, but are you saying that AP didn't scum read Kuribo for 40 pages?In post 327, Infinite Jesters wrote:
whoopsIn post 326, pirate mollie wrote:
okay kuribo you didn't out cos of fratbros you did that on your own. at least that is how it reads to me.In post 308, Serene2 wrote:In post 306, BirdAndBeast wrote:Nope. What started the 40 pages of bullshit was you outing my role and YOURS by CCing it with shitty setup spec that turned out to be shitty. You then called me scummy for a myriad of surefire scumtells like me predicting Molla 3rd party (which he basically was). So no. Im not taking blame form you for that, thanks.
you know what, FUCK YOU
and as i said in the dead QT for that game, FUCK YOU
i wouldn't have outted my role if you hadn't spent FORTY FUCKING PAGES scumreading me for no god damn reason
there's a fucking reason you were the MVP of the scumteam, so how about you cram it, you arrogant shithead
How does the two of them being distinct imply that they can't both be present?In post 337, ~Jordan` wrote:However, the paranoia and the interest in keeping the town on track within Agar's post are very distinct phenomena.
I did. Responses in 285, 292.In post 338, ~Jordan` wrote:Did anyone ever ask BB why Agar strongly leans to the former?
Jordan, a read on BandB would be nice.
Cute.
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I guess I can see how you find this scummy, in the context of them white-knighting Agar, but I don't find it compelling.In post 343, ~Jordan` wrote:
The function of 49 was to explain 46 but discussed something distinct from 46.How does the two of them being distinct imply that they can't both be present?
In principle, they can both be present. But serene didn't present a conjunction; they presented a elaboration.
This just looks like nonsense rhetoric.In post 344, Serene2 wrote:I clearly see mastin pulling your strings like the good little scum buddies you are.
This is pretty horrible.In post 346, Serene2 wrote:Oh and if you seriously thought "courting attention" was a town trait you wouldn't even be voting me
Uh,In post 232, Serene2 wrote:Nice try using fake dissonance to discredit a claimed lover of all things.In post 347, Serene2 wrote:And since when does a lovers claim make either of them defacto town?
Seriously?In post 360, ~Jordan` wrote:omgus moar
You brushing this off like this is odd.In post 374, ~Jordan` wrote:i think wed have better banter if i slept more
Neither Serene nor Jordan comes across well in this.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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I can rarely determine these things.In post 386, BirdAndBeast wrote:I believe they were clearly from different heads.
As you can see from my question about whether Mastin has posted.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Mastin, I can't conjure up things to talk about in the thread and I think you are being too demanding. Probably, I won't manage to say much that new here, but whatever.
I don't think that what you've had to say about Agar is convincing. While I can't think of a time in a completed game that I've tried to use an argument along the lines of so and so is saying that we need to do this, but their posting doesn't really reflect that, I know that I've tried to use that argument, and I know that it sounds great in my head every time, but I don't think it's ever worked out, and if it has, I am almost certain that there were other reasons to think that the person was scum because I can usually remember when an argument pans out. When it comes to Agar, the worst thing in my opinion is how fine he is with you despite thinking that the case you've made on him is bad, but presumably he actually thinks that's a town-tell, so for the time being I'm living with it.
I really hate how Infinite Jesters - Mollie keeps harping on Serene's early town read of Sven while ignoring yours. I mean the people in these slots have a reputation for making reads like that and Mollie is well aware of it, so this doesn't look like a real concern to me, but I really don't think that this is a good enough reason to lynch a claimed lover. I mean we could lose a lot if we're wrong and they're both town, and we have time.
Brian Skyes looks legit to me. He's made comments about IJ and Sven that jive with my own thoughts.
I don't like that I can't follow Sven's read on you, but aside from that he seems okay.
Jordan's early play was null to me, but I don't think that the people attacking over it were out of line. I think that his comment to Venmar about not providing enough is ironic, and I strongly dislike him calling himself town because he's trying to draw attention to himself. I mean I don't really think that he thinks that's a town-tell, but people are often pretty lax with what they use to call themselves town.
With Serene, I generally like their push on you, but what I don't like from them is the rhetoric Kuribo was using to tie you and Jordan together. Ordinarily, I'd find this sort of aggressive partner hunting indicative of a town mindset, but with him, I think it's null. I also don't like DGB's comment about lovers and would love to know what was going through her mind then. I'm not bothered by their defense of Agar because I think that the arguments being used to attack Agar are weak.
MrZephir is null. Ika's null, his early VT claim means that we don't really need to worry about him yet.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Disagreeing about reads is not a scum tell.In post 396, BirdAndBeast wrote:And you calling both Jordan and Serene2 sus like you did is, once again, not giving me warm fuzzy feelings about you.
I thought it was, but I was also surprised that if it was that you ignored my comment about you reading me.In post 396, BirdAndBeast wrote:It's, uh, really pretty dang obvious?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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I've basically read this page and day two up to LD's soft-claiming.
How does the lover claim relate to them sorting BnB?In post 399, Brian Skies wrote:But in that post you were not only saying BandB were strong players who would be a boon to town, but also that if they were scum, you'd be able to sort them for us. So like I said, your lover claim still makes no sense to me.
I have an idea: read his posts! He posts nonsense about how he reads me, get's called out on it, then buddies me. How do you read that?In post 412, hiplop wrote:do you know how to read mastin?
Oh Jesus Christ, no.In post 417, zoraster wrote:I am confused though. Why is BnB getting attention for... posting a lot? Is that really the game we're playing today?
This is going to get frustrating.In post 430, xRECKONERx wrote:I played with BirdAndBeast once and caught them out as scum immediately that game (I think it was Shadows & Lights Mafia).
It wasn't any kind of playstyle thing, it was just them doing blatantly anti-town things.
I'm also never going to turn down a mastin lynch because it makes the game so much fucking easier when he's not posting.
I'm also not in their shift so I'm not gonna read them
Why is BROseidon talking about principal G-bundles?In post 439, BROseidon wrote:I LOVE STRUCTURE GROUPS
What's the connection?
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You should answer them.In post 532, MrZepher wrote:ALSO, sidenote: I totally didn't see zdenek's asking me questions a1 so i never replied. He never brought it up again after that so i'm assuming he either forgot or he got the answers he was looking for regardless.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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I think they are claiming a guilty on Zoraster.In post 546, Infinite Jesters wrote:so what do you think that titus creatures are doing with their soft-claim?
do you think that they are lovers or are claiming a cop guilty?
this looks like a throwaway vote tbh
Not lovers because they talk about Zoraster being the lynch after their flip.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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In post 472, Logical Duality wrote:Use the entire 8 shifts to scumhunt but Zoraster is the lynch if I am dead.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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What is this?In post 491, Infinite Jesters wrote:scftwrI have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Well, I hadn't read those posts til now, and I'm going to be mostly patient, I mean that first post from LD could have been a lover's claim. I really didn't like Ika's 519.In post 552, Infinite Jesters wrote:
THANK YOUIn post 548, Zdenek wrote:
I think they are claiming a guilty on Zoraster.In post 546, Infinite Jesters wrote:so what do you think that titus creatures are doing with their soft-claim?
do you think that they are lovers or are claiming a cop guilty?
this looks like a throwaway vote tbh
Not lovers because they talk about Zoraster being the lynch after their flip.
so what do you think about the people positing the lover's claim like our sven and some other people
eta: Scum Caught For The Wrong Reasons
As far as this caught for the wrong reason business goes, I'd like you to explain why you think Mastin explaining how he reads me, falsely, and then when I call him out on it, buddies me, is coming from town.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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There are a bunch of hard to argue against, but essentially useless statements in it.In post 566, ika wrote:
what dont you like about it?In post 563, Zdenek wrote:I really didn't like Ika's 519.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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It's like you know they are useless because you just excused them with your second sentence.In post 571, ika wrote:In post 568, Zdenek wrote:
There are a bunch of hard to argue against, but essentially useless statements in it.In post 566, ika wrote:
what dont you like about it?In post 563, Zdenek wrote:I really didn't like Ika's 519.
How are they usless? i clearly stated is a random brain dump of thoughts.
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Let's see.
Infinite Jesters - you should probably read my posts.
Mr. Zepher. I'm grateful that you reminded me that you have questions for me, but answer them please.In post 563, Zdenek wrote:I'd like you to explain why you think Mastin explaining how he reads me, falsely, and then when I call him out on it, buddies me, is coming from town.
BandB continue to be obv. scum. Just look at their case on Dry-Fit:
He's suspicious of one person, but has a stronger scum read. I guess. I don't understand what is wrong with this.In post 587, BirdAndBeast wrote:I dislike this transition. It reads awkward.
Well, no, I mean, it shows he's thinking about the set-up, which is a positive thing.In post 587, BirdAndBeast wrote:This is a reallllly hedgy reason to townread Sven. We odnt know how many scum there are, what power town has, or anything at all, so wow.
He's pretty clearly scum hunting - looking for contradictions in hiplop's stances.In post 587, BirdAndBeast wrote:Protown =/= good reads? Is hiplop scummy to Dryfit? Really hedgy hiplop discredit here.
Basically BnB is attacking Dry-Fit for doing things that are fine.
Uh, I think you are scum.In post 591, BirdAndBeast wrote:Zdenek: What is your current stance on us? No hiding behind "But mastin's stance on me makes no sense!", tia. Also why are you voting Zoraster exactly? Nothing is going to happen there until at LEAST next shift?
The point isn't Mastin's read on me makes no sense - it's Mastin lied about how reads me.
The Zoraster vote is a positive thing, man.
And the two of you questioning my vote, accusing me of bussing and then voting Zoraster is ridiculous.
For Ika:
The only thing he used that post to do, was to ask you why you didn't use his log. That's not useful.In post 579, ika wrote:not really, me saying its a barin dump does not make it useless, it is basicly me clearing my thoughts on the thread.
If you also noticed stal used it to interact with me, therfore it being useless is thrown out the window becasue it did have a use.
There is nothing in it that isn't trivial.another use for it is for anyone here to refer to, comment on, give imput, discuss
dont forget about second shift who can also comment on it and use it as well.
I dislike how titus is trying to press for ideas that "must not be true" (ie double scum team)
is it impossible with whit flag mechanics? not really
is it improbalbe? most likely
so plz tell me how its usless again?
explain please.In post 628, Svenskt Stål wrote:Adding zdenek to scum pile aswellI have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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The fact that I know Ika's aware of this working makes me worry about that slot than I did before.In post 401, Brian Skies wrote:You already took the VT claim I rode to the endgame in that one (granted I was actually a VT, but my point still stands).I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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It makes sense now.In post 667, Brian Skies wrote:Look. Mollie outed herself as lovers with Skelda on Day 1 in Anything Goes and she became the N1 kill in that game. I'd assume she'd fear a similar result happening to her in another game.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Are you trying to say Mastin didn't lie? I mean it's pretty clear if you go back and look at past games.In post 670, BirdAndBeast wrote:Oh please. A lie case? Thats some shit Zdenek, some scummy Thor666 scumplay shit. Mastin would definitely never lie about anything provable EVER even if we were scum.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Well, with you, there is history of you actually reading me this way with Mastin, there isn't. Frankly, I think that Mastin stole this way of reading me from other people because he thinks that it sounds good.In post 682, Infinite Jesters wrote:@ zden
I agree with how mastina read you. I see the same things. I think as town you are a balanced player and are often underestimated. <----- you know that I feel this way. so where is the conflict with how mastina reads you?
you referenced a game yeah? can you walk me back through that plz cos that happened in the first day round and your indignation felt genuine but again *scftwr*
To walk you though things, here are links to the three most recent games that Mastin and I were in where he was town. There's also Street racers NY, but I replaced in late on day one, so I'll leave it out. You should ISO Mastin searching for me and look to see if he reads me by getting town vibes from me or for that matter if there is any evidence of the respect that he seems to have for my play.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25573 (Adventure time, as Calcifer)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=26193 (Pikmin Mafia)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=29163 (NY: 165, as Calcifer)I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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You've found that useful on page 7 before?In post 688, MrZepher wrote:revealing most player interaction. Clears up a lot of post intention for me and helps me figure out who's bussing and who's just taking advantage of dumb town.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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This seems hardly believable as a soft claim.In post 910, Serene2 wrote:I thought BnB were crumbing cop in their softclaim, because "not random" is "order", and who keeps order in towns? Cops.
Did you not talk with your other heads?In post 910, Serene2 wrote:This is why I was townreading them in my 683 and 752
This seems insane.In post 910, Serene2 wrote:(ignoring the numerous I's)
Can you give more details?In post 910, Serene2 wrote:The role PM also implied that our results may be reversed.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Well, searching through Titus ISO for insane and paranoid yields:
In post 810, Logical Duality wrote:Mastin and AP both know about my tendancy to tunnel. Why would the slot jump to cop? Insane Titus was the right place to jump. Answer: They already knew Zoraster was guilty.In post 457, Logical Duality wrote:Precisely. I know the random number generator doesn't care about alignment. However, my scumgame is pretty good and I have had people tell me that they will be suspicious of me. I wanted to be judged based on my actions, not fear and paranoia.
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In post 462, Logical Duality wrote:Their is a slim chance BnB is town, but you are not.
This doesn't seem to allow for Titus to be unsure about her alignment, but it was in the middle of her gambit.In post 472, Logical Duality wrote:Zoraster - Confscum...I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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No.In post 982, Serene2 wrote:
Does Innocent Child count?In post 981, Zdenek wrote:Serene did you leave any bread-crumbs?
I mean you looked pretty hard for bread-crumbs, so doesn't really make any sense if you didn't leave any.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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Because he is trying to cast doubt on me with bs.In post 997, Infinite Jesters wrote:I remember them well enough, though. Why do you think Mastin I accurately describing how he's read you in the past is scummy?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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In post 1002, Infinite Jesters wrote:
Could you quote where he said how he reads you again? I'm not willing to do a lot of reading at the moment because I haven't has much sleep, but I can give my opinions easily enough.In post 999, Zdenek wrote:
Because he is trying to cast doubt on me with bs.In post 997, Infinite Jesters wrote:I remember them well enough, though. Why do you think Mastin I accurately describing how he's read you in the past is scummy?In post 284, BirdAndBeast wrote:My read on Zdenek is also basically that he looks highly like scum at this point. I'm not feeling the townvibes from him, which I normally do.In post 342, Zdenek wrote:
This is verifiably false. If you look at our three most recent completed games where we were both town. NY165 is the only one where you read me correctly early on. As for the other two:In post 292, BirdAndBeast wrote:Every single game of yours in the last couple of years we've shared? (Okay, granted. One or both heads of us have been scum in almost every single game we've had with you. BUTSTILL.)
Adventure Time Mafia. You were with Nacho as Calcifer. Here was your read on me early on. We were both town.
"Nullish-town. Opposite of you on Vifam, which is nullish-scum."
In fairness, later Nacho town read me: " Rainbowdash, Kawaii, Zdenek, bv, Zoidberg plus both masons are also townreads"
but then you went back to scum in 1833, voted me in 2110.
Pikmin Mafia. We were both town. Here was your first read on me.
"NULL:
Zajnet (eh, gut says scum, but no posts=no read), PeregrineV, Zdenek (if I had a read on him, I've forgotten it. He's posted, but I honestly don't remember him--basically, a lesser PV). (3.)"
as for later on (post 1791) you went to weak town because of me pushing on someone. In 2735 you said I looked like scum.
I won't go on.
If we look at NY:165 as Calcifer, you read me correctly (early, post 29, 53), but you were iffy on me later on (2315).
The point is that you do not have a history of reading based on giving off town-vibes, maybe in NY:165, but then you certainly doubted whether they were right. So I think you've borrowed a way of reading me from DGB because it sounds good.
In post 687, Zdenek wrote:
Well, with you, there is history of you actually reading me this way with Mastin, there isn't. Frankly, I think that Mastin stole this way of reading me from other people because he thinks that it sounds good.In post 682, Infinite Jesters wrote:@ zden
I agree with how mastina read you. I see the same things. I think as town you are a balanced player and are often underestimated. <----- you know that I feel this way. so where is the conflict with how mastina reads you?
you referenced a game yeah? can you walk me back through that plz cos that happened in the first day round and your indignation felt genuine but again *scftwr*
To walk you though things, here are links to the three most recent games that Mastin and I were in where he was town. There's also Street racers NY, but I replaced in late on day one, so I'll leave it out. You should ISO Mastin searching for me and look to see if he reads me by getting town vibes from me or for that matter if there is any evidence of the respect that he seems to have for my play.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25573 (Adventure time, as Calcifer)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=26193 (Pikmin Mafia)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=29163 (NY: 165, as Calcifer)I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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In post 910, Serene2 wrote:Ladies.Gentlemen. It's been a pleasure working with you, and especiallyTitus,.who I have never seen a more brilliant series of posts and strategy
Without further ado, I will now full claim.
I amJim Harrington, the Armchair Psychologist Whose Wildly Inaccurate Diagnoses of His Acquaintances are Thinly-Veiled Projections of His Own Mental Issues. (Cross-Shift Parity Cop)
I am a X-shot Cross-Shift Parity Cop. This means I can pick one player in each Shift, and learn whether they are of same or different alignments. I cannot pick myself or dead players as targets. I'm not outing what X is, but you guys can probably guess what it is.
It is implied in our role PM that there is another cop out there. I thought BnB were crumbing cop in their softclaim, because "not random" is "order", and who keeps order in towns? Cops. This is why I was townreading them in my 683 and 752, and asked for examples of their softclaims in 718. However, they did not attempt to reach back in any way,which shows that they do not know that there might be a 2nd cop out there. More likely,they're mafia who's crumbing cop in preparation for fakeclaim in the later game.
How do I know this? Because,I know now for sure that Titus's role PM implied the existence of 2nd cop, because of her brilliant crumbing in the posts leading up to her full claim.
Please sit back and observe Titus's finest hour:
Post 462 is Titus's confirming her guilty result on Zoraster. It is signed ~Titus. This is when she begins her series of 2nd cop crumb in preparation for her full claim.
Next ~Titus Post is post 467. It ends with the words "last will".
Next ~Titus Post is post 471. The letters that start the sentences are A and S.
Next ~Titus Post is post 482. The letters that start the sentences are D and B. (ignoring the numerous I's)
Next ~Titus Post is post 810. This is her Cop claim, presumably where the crumb ends.
Putting everything together, it spells out:"Last will as DouBle Cop";Titus was aware that there might be another cop running out there.
The role PM also implied that our results may be reversed. My guess is that if we were Sane, Titus was Insane, and vice-versa.
To verify our sanity and hers, we investigated Zoraster,Titus's target, and BirdAndBeast, who'snow very likely to be scumdue to their cop fakecrumb, and got "different." This isfanastic because even with unconfirmed sanities:
If Titus's sanity is Insane and we're Sane, this means Zora is town and BnB is scum.
If Titus's sanity is Sane and we're Insane, this means Zora is scum and BnB is scum.
I do not know whether Zora is scum or town; he could fall either way.
Either way, we are"guaranteed" that BnB is scum; may buddha have mercy on their souls.
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Why are you so angry?In post 1097, ika wrote:right now dont expect me to be very nice about answers atm.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.