Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

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^that's fucking stupid.

serene is behaving as expected. Lyncher? Probably not. Scum? Maybe.

Jesters is... mollie and someone? Bert and someone? I don't remember.

Zdenek's casual attitude is weird, idk.

BnB looks Town to me from what I've read of them.

I don't really know what this ika thing is.

Haven't actually read anything other than page 1 and the pages since I replaced in. I guess I'll do some ISOs tonight.

In the meantime

Vote: 14.5

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There are four votes on the BnB wagon. I defy you to explain why only ours is "stupid". You're the stupid one, because if you had issue with the BnB lynch and want to get a viable counter lynch through, you'd have voted Zednek. This is our last shift before the end of the episode. BnB is the most viable of lynches out of our scumreads. Spreading out your vote is extremely unhelpful at this point.

Truth be told BnB is not our top preferred lynch. But the way the Zednek wagon formed left a bad taste in my mouth, we don't want to lynch him. (rather lynch the guys going 'lol sheep the IC's placeholder vote' but I digress) None of our other scumreads are viable with the time we have left.

It's stupid because he's Town. All the other votes on his wagon are stupid too, but as I wasn't around for them...

I have almost 30 hours in which to read up and make a vote that's more serious (or more of a compromise, depending), but your rather presumptive reaction to my vote on you is not particularly comforting; I shall certainly be looking at you rather closely in future.

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It's stupid because he's Town. All the other votes on his wagon are stupid too, but as I wasn't around for them...

I have almost 30 hours in which to read up and make a vote that's more serious (or more of a compromise, depending), but your rather presumptive reaction to my vote on you is not particularly comforting; I shall certainly be looking at you rather closely in future.

TROLOLOLOL Scum-cliche #14: I'm gonna look at you more closely.

But seriously, of the players who's voting your townread, you go with a vote on a lynch that is probably not viable, when Zednek has 4 votes on him already. Even if you went and voted anyone else I still would have called you out on the bullshit. We have only 48 hours to give the night shift some viable options to lynch. Once our time hits zero that's it. If your vote is in an unhelpful place it stays there. I don't see you arguing that a 14.5 lynch is a viable one that is going to net scum. I see you just placing down a vote for the sake of placing one down. Then maybe if we no-lynch you can go "trololol I tried to get a lynch guyz"

I see you being an idiot if you don't realise that protest votes and votes on people one finds scummy are much more useful than just going "dur hur im votin for the big waggin lawl"

Are you saying that IGMEOY is a scumtell?

Are you saying that my vote as it stands right now is totes permanent and cannot possibly change before the end of the shift? Because I'm aware of the time pressures and the vote pressures, and I've already said that I have time in which to make a better-informed decision. 48 hours is not the same as 48 minutes, and I think you need to understand that.

RE: your last post: I've said I'm going to be doing the legwork. I've said I have plenty of time. I've said I don't plan to keep voting you this shift. I don't know why you seem unable to do anything but strawman me.

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That would be interesting...

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Reading is still in progress, so it'll probably be next time before I'm fully caught up. In the meantime, some impressions:
Pere is playing this game. Like, actually seriously playing it. This isn't something I recall seeing before. Is this indicative, people who know him better than I do?
serene is behaving exactly as expected. Only reason I even tried to read them was for kuribo rants but
Main thing I

don't

like about BnB is their first post bringing up shadows and lights. Why? Why think of it? It's not like they haven't had (an)other game(s) on that hydra.
Not sure if I trust Reck to be Town yet.
ika's vanilla claim... wtf? and the rest of the posts... I can see why there was some stuff being written about him.
Brian worries me a little. He's a pretty decent Scum player, and while there's nothing overtly scummy in his posts there's definitely some tonal stuff I don't like. I'll be looking to clarify my thoughts on him with more current posting from him.
I think I believe the lover claim. That said, I'm not sure I think they're both Town.
The Jesters hydra confuses me greatly.

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Indicative of...?

And I sort of guessed that.

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Asking what his activity is indicative of, if anything.

Additionally, I'd like to know why BRO hasn't changed his vote if he finds it so iffy, but that's not really a question for you.

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No, they claimed they were a lyncher and that -surprise!- was a lie.
Unless they also claimed a fake guilty and I missed that.

Vote: Dry-fit

This is a sheep vote. I no longer remember who I'm sheeping with it but I remember I didn't think they were Scum at the time and that I relatively trusted their reads.

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And, less relevant: Get well soon Venmar, sorry about your knee.

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Vote: Serene

Listen, the 10 of us can achieve this lynch right now without the night shift's input. I don't really want to see another one of their worthless posts this game. They are just noise makers.

No this should never be done. We should give our prs a chance to use their abilities.

I don't like this Serene wagon at all. One of the obvious consequence of the AGar kill was that it made B&B more likely to get lynched. That's why I stopped suspecting them. I think scum was trying to set B&B and Serene up for consecutive lynches and is probably among those on the Serene wagon.

Wellllll seeing as kuribo pretty much set himself up....?

Now I remember why I was ok with this vote.

As to the serene wagon - I'm considering it.

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(psst venmar you forgot someone)

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(also venmar why not vote for Dry-fit)

(you know you want to)

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For the record, I had a big post about how the whole lyncher thing wasn't alignment indicative. It got lost when my computer died or I'd have posted it anyway.

Anyway, I'm feeling a little lost trying to scumhunt in this game. I'll stand by what I said about Jesters; they feel off to me, though who the hell knows if I'm reading them right. I also feel off about Brian - could he be an SK rather than a Vig? Is that possible in a White Flag?
I also want to get back to 14.5 since the Serene thing got distracting.
Speaking of that - they set themselves up to fall, so why? Were they protecting someone?
I'm currently OK with calling Pere Town.

People I don't actually remember as having said anything useful:
Aronis
Dry-fit
hiplop
The Goat
Jordan
14.5
Mr Z
Sven
Zdenek

That's a lot of Null reads, and that's who I'm working on clearing up right now.

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reck and i are good people i promise

i always have something of value to say in the other shift... I'm currently starring in a production right now so ill be busy for 2/3 more days :\

Why you

and reck

?

Is it just me or is it weird that the lovers haven't been killed yet?

It is a bit, though given the amount of support for lynching them at some point it's not impossible that they're both Town.
It's also possible that it's a Scum-Town pair, though if that's the case I would agree that the Scum one would be Jesters.

I don't like this shift. Nobody posting means I'm not getting any tone stuff and that seems to be my strongest tool at present.

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I don't like this reck

where is the reck that gets shit done???

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Allllright, let's do this Dry-fit wagon then.

Vote: Dry-fit

And none of the posts on this page

are even useful at all whyyyyyy

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Vote: hiplop

That one was actually the worst.

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@Whoever it is who was getting all pissy that I bitched about content and said I was going to provide some and didn't: ISOs take time. Get over yourself.

Sven is Town.
Mr Z I have some issues with, but tonally reads more Town.
14,5 and hiplop are both Scum.
Everyone else I'm still either working on or uncertain of.

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That's a little WIFOM-y, but OK. If I vote any of them it'll be Goat.

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Hmmmmm to keep my vote or to vote with Venmar?

Decisions r hard.

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ehhhhh I believe Reck
don't want hiplop today anymore

Vote: Goat

More when site not slow.

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OK, so "fired" is Maf NK flavour? But the kill happens midshift?

Other things discovered while reading rules:
It sort of looks like Maf can change distribution literally every shift.
Everybody has daytalk.
Nothing about the mechanics of Mafia kills.

OK.

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The Mafia gets 1 kill per Episode.

That's... less mechanics and more "well no shit."

Because zor specifically said "we have a

private topic

" instead of "we have a QT" or "we have a quicktopic".

The Private Topic rollout happened right around the start of this game and when I was given one for me/Venmar, it was the first time I had used it. The fact that zor specifically said private topic meant he had one too

TBF AFAIK all the greens are using PTs for their games ever since they started happening.
Also he was Scum, so not sure why that wouldn't have been something you thought...

I'm beginning to think Aronis might be a good choice for tomorrow's lynch.

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Oh also was goodmorning trying to fake a townslip back there or something?

There's a thing called "replacing into a slightly convoluted setup."

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The start I liked from

goodmorning

was that she, like

venmar

, seemed to be pissed off on the shift they were in and the lack of productive discussion. Since then she has just been talking about easy stuff that either doesnt matter or

has aleady been stated.

Wanted to respond mainly to the italic there: I'm a replacement. No, I didn't read all thousand million pages. If I repeat stuff, it shouldn't be that surprising.

Not sure whether Goat claim & aftermath was townflail or scumflail, but looks townflailish enough that I'm not that interested in continuing to vote him right now.

It sort of looks like Maf can change distribution literally every shift.

What gave you this idea?

The

Mafia determines all Shifts

after the first Shift, which will be determined randomly. They must submit the new Shift Distribution at least 1 Shift prior to the actual Shift Switch (by the end of Shift A.7, for example) or the shift will not change,

The bolded in particular gave me that idea, but it genuinely looks like they could post a new distribution every shift to take place in the next one.
So they could submit the A.2 dist by the end of A.1, A.3 by the end of A.2, A.4 by the end of A.3, and so on.
What do you think?

(I'm sort of aiming at trying to figure out the mechanics because I'm having a difficult time reading people.)

I really don't like Jesters. I don't know if it's worth it to get rid of them though.
Zdenek I'm beginning to think is Town.
MrZ on the other hand... accusing me of fading into the background is a little bit pot-kettle. The difference is that one of us has some original content (hint: it's not MrZ).
14,5 is still awful.

Vote: MrZepher

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@ika: So the first part of your post is bitching about how almost every vote is a sheep vote, and then you... make a sheep vote? OK.

And

your

sheep vote isn't even sheeping anyone who looks remotely Townish other than Sven. Look at the other people who've shown support: Jesters, MrZ, Aronis?????

I'll admit I haven't been as present as maybe I should be, but seriously. My wagon is full of awful people. Look at your life, look at your choices.

Also:

tbh after looking though, i rather lynch in our shift b/c ours has a smaller grouping and a better chance at hitting scums. even if we dont we still have the ppl in here to look into who could be scums.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are two Scum left, right? That means that because there has to be at least one Scum per shift (per the OP), it's divided up 1-1 right now.
So yes, you're technically right that our group has a slightly better random chance of hitting Scum (14.29% vs. 12.5%), but it's not really that significant.

Now, the only reason I can see for lynching out of Day instead of Night is that even if we hit Town (as is likely), the Scum then will have to even out the shifts. When the Scum even out the shifts, they will have to stay on different shifts. This (practically speaking) means that either they have to move around many people (to hide themselves) and waste their time coming up with these lists, OR that they will have to confirm a Townie (by moving him to the opposite shift).

Now, I'd be fine going down if that would be the result. Lynch away if you feel it's necessary. And

Vote: Aronis

My focus right now is going to be on checking early distributions to see what I can narrow down.

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By my count we may have as many as FIVE mislynches????

The only thing the analysis really told me was that there is at least one Scum in the shift opposite Serene, that is {Aronis, Dry-fit, 14.5, hiplop, me, Pere, Goat, Reck}. This is remarkably similar to the current Day shift and therefore not particularly useful.
Analysis would probably be more helpful in later stages, if the game gets that far.

Trying to solve by gamebreaking rather than scumhunting is interesting. Brian should maybe shoot Zepher.

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@ika: So the first part of your post is bitching about how almost every vote is a sheep vote, and then you... make a sheep vote? OK.

i never really bitched about it i accualy found it amusing how many sheep, same thing happened with goat overall so really the point is moot, if ppl want to sheep my wagon then they are more then welcome to.

And

your

sheep vote isn't even sheeping anyone who looks remotely Townish other than Sven. Look at the other people who've shown support: Jesters, MrZ, Aronis?????

seven/jesters are supposive lovers, MRz i have as town, arnaronis is from our shift and they are not voting you atm (besides arnois)

I'll admit I haven't been as present as maybe I should be, but seriously. My wagon is full of awful people. Look at your life, look at your choices.

goodmorning (2) - Aronis, ika

so the 2 of us currently voting you are awful people?

If you want to limit the definition of "wagon" to "only people who are voting right now" then you're being silly.
And, as I was talking to you, I was talking

about

that whole list from earlier.
Lovers don't necessarily have to be Town.
How in the hell do you think MrZ is Town?
What does Aronis being from this shift have to do with anything?

Also:

tbh after looking though, i rather lynch in our shift b/c ours has a smaller grouping and a better chance at hitting scums. even if we dont we still have the ppl in here to look into who could be scums.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are two Scum left, right?

That means that because there has to be at least one Scum per shift (per the OP), it's divided up 1-1 right now.

ummmmm wut? who said that? assuming this is true how do you know that? also, if there is indeed 2 left then all that needs to happen is lynch one of the 2 and we win by white flag

Someone said it was likely, I thought, and someone I trusted in that arena (Venmar maybe?). I'm not that interested in looking for it though.
With the White Flag I would personally be inclined to believe there were originally 5 or even 6.

So yes, you're technically right that our group has a slightly better random chance of hitting Scum (14.29% vs. 12.5%), but it's not really that significant.

we get it wrong we can have reck send brain over here or continue to look into the pool (if its not too late for him to change it) but even if we hit wrong it makes our possibility of finding scums in ours easier.

PoE via deaths is kinda shitty.

Now, the only reason I can see for lynching out of Day instead of Night is that even if we hit Town (as is likely), the Scum then will have to even out the shifts. When the Scum even out the shifts, they will have to stay on different shifts. This (practically speaking) means that either they have to move around many people (to hide themselves) and waste their time coming up with these lists, OR that they will have to confirm a Townie (by moving him to the opposite shift).

again, ours is smaller atm, if they have to even it out they just cram a bunch of people over here. Lynching from day shift if im looking at it correctly will merly just even it out and then we are back to quare one

Then why were you all for Brian Vigging from the other shift?

By my count we may have as many as FIVE mislynches????

The only thing the analysis really told me was that there is at least one Scum in the shift opposite Serene, that is {Aronis, Dry-fit, 14.5, hiplop, me, Pere, Goat, Reck}. This is remarkably similar to the current Day shift and therefore not particularly useful.
Analysis would probably be more helpful in later stages, if the game gets that far.

Trying to solve by gamebreaking rather than scumhunting is interesting. Brian should maybe shoot Zepher.

Why zephar?

how about everyon suggest a target(s) for biran to shoot if we are going with this plan. Persoanlly i want to see jordan shot the most, but i could also see goat shot too just to clear the night vs day votings

Because I think he's Scum.

The thing about Jordan is that apparently he's Psyche, and that sort of behaviour is par for the course from that front.

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@hiplop: If you've missed this: ika is Town. Aronis and MrZ have been on my suspect list for a while. Jesters has been there from the beginning.
You may also have missed the bit where I said

Now, I'd be fine going down if that would be the result. Lynch away if you feel it's necessary.

Now, maybe I'm crazy, but possibly my posts follow a coherent train of thought

because I am capable of sustaining coherent trains of thought??

HOW NOVEL

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How in the hell do you think MrZ is Town?

serne "kumptomoner" he left out zepher and when he did it second time he said he forgot, to me i would figure scums would be more aware then that

Orrr maybe that's what he wanted you to think. Orrrrrrr WIFOM. Not really a good enough reason to townread a player who's jumping on every bandwagon he thinks will grow legs,

especially

when he's only doing it in words and not deeds.

What does Aronis being from this shift have to do with anything?

the "awful" ppl voting you

I still don't see why his placement is relevant.

As for Jordan, Psyche is sometimes very astute. It's equally possible that he was just right.

The diffrence i see is goat kinda went more "well ya i suck go ahead"
I went somewhat of the same.
Your goign like "lynch if needed", votes pile on and then you go "OMG WHATS GOING ON HERE"

Actually, I'm angry about the fact that the people jumping on are ridiculous. If it was people like Zdenek, Brian, Reck voting me I wouldn't be that fussed. And then you see those people and go "seems legit yo."

That's

my problem.
Besides which, "lynch if needed" came afterwards.

like i said i rather do someone from our shift.

Then let's make Aronis happen. Unless you think

he's

Town too, in which case let's talk.

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VOTE: goodmorning i guess

hey

hey reck

this was supposed to be where you got slightly less apathetic and actually contributed shit to the conversation

or, you know, whatever

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Yeah Pere we want to lynch from this shift actually

And reck, no comment on the concept of an Aronis lynch?

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Shifts will always be the same size, or as close as possible (when there is an odd number of players alive).

It'll make the Scum move someone, at the least.

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Sven, how sure are you that Jesters are Town?

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Well heck yes for my 33% accuracy in vanity crusades.
Titus was part of 14.5? No wonder I scumread them then.

I think the biggest problem with this game was the apathy and lurking. I think at one point I had a list of around ten people who just weren't doing shit. Obviously not all of them were Scum.

Anyway, the mechanic was fun and the flavour made me laugh bunches, so I'm glad to have been part of this game. Thanks Mods!

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Well, in that case I have no excuses whatsoever.

I agree that the B&B lynch was the worst thing in this game.

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I was never given access to the death thread. I'm kind of salty about that.

WHAT

you SHOULD have gotten access

grrrrrr

I didn't get it either.

WHAT A TERRIBLE MOD BURN HIM