Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[Bulbazak]

/confirming and catching up. It might be a couple of days. On an unrelated note, my sister would probably like it that I'm in this game.

[Bulbazak]

Got everything else reasonably caught up (except the wiki. getting to that.). I'll read through this the next couple of days and get my thoughts out by Saturday.

[Bulbazak]

Read through page 25. Just going to say that there are a few players that are not towning it up like I'd expect, and that's bothering me. I'll have more when I finish the catch up.

[Bulbazak]

Wait... Don't computers really run on magical fairy dust?

There is no such thing as computers.

Mine is a box powered by hamster wheels.

*goes back to reading*

[Bulbazak]

Read through page 25. Just going to say that there are a few players that are not towning it up like I'd expect, and that's bothering me. I'll have more when I finish the catch up.

maybe if you said their names

(hint: i was expecting a reference to doduo/ns reading the first part and i was going to counter with something indignantly sarcastic)

This is not in reference to you in anyway, but if you must know, Majiffy, Mollie, and AngryPidgeon are worrying me.

[Bulbazak]

I have been prodded.

[Bulbazak]

Just had to comment on this during my readthrough:

marquis has a collection of creepy dolls made out of her own hair clippings.

[Bulbazak]

I finally finished my readthrough. I'm going to see a movie in a little bit, so I'll post my catchup when I get back later tonight.

[Bulbazak]

Bulbazak's Catchup Reads

Town

Vezokpiraka/Perpetual Nonsense:

Conf. town.

Mastin2:

This is town Mastin, no question. I can actually see the gears turning in her head and see her thought process, whereas she is a bit more opaque as scum. I also take it as a good sign that she's been easily sidetracked, which shows a level of freedom and spontaneity that she doesn't have in her scum game.

Guilty Gunsmith:

This one took a little while to develop, but by the middle of the day, both heads of GG were in prime scumhunting form. AP has been hitting all the right notes for me like he does when he's town, and Snork's posts have a level of genuineness that is hard to fake. They're a little unorthodox and a little rough around the edges, but that's exactly what I'd expect to see from town them.

Marquis:

Early game was what I'd expect to see from Marquis, and since he's had to take the reigns and not wait on NS, he's kept that lighthearted feel while seriously scumhunting. This feels like his town game from NY 171.

ZZZX:

I got this townread early on due to his interaction with the Saki hydra, and nothing has happened to shake it. Where GG sees ZZZX trying to push a crap case on them, I see a young player get overexcited about thinking he's found scum and pushing the case for all it's worth.

PeregrineV:

This looks like town PV to me. I've seen actual scumhunting among all that lurking.

Titus:

I waffled on Titus for quite awhile. What sold me on her being town was her interactions in the middle section of the game. Her scumhunting doesn't look fake at all, and I can understand a bit where she's coming from. I also know that Titus is harder to get a bead on when she's town, where she can appear obv. town when scum. I also don't think she would soft claim like she has if scum.

Null/Town

Lying Cat:

I've seen indications of town Sthar from the little posting he's done. I don't want to give them a full townread, because I'd like to see them actually participate, as I think it would be easier to solidify my read. However, I really doubt that Jingle would be this lurky as scum. I'd prefer it if we give them another day phase to sort their issues out. If they haven't done so by then, I'll help lynch them.

Null

Ac1983fan:

This slot hasn't really done anything for me to get a solid read on them. The only thing that I noticed was Ac saying that nothing happened in the middle section, when that was actually where all the important information is that helped me get solid reads.

Null/Scum

Speedy Saki:

I really want to believe they're town, but Marquis is right that there is something off. The big thing that sticks out is Saki being overapologetic. If they're town, they should be able to obv. town it up enough for me to change my mind.

MTD:

Gut really. Something seems off, but I can't pinpoint what.

Wickedestjr:

I'm not really seeing scumhunting from him. He's calling people scum, yes, but I don't see him actually trying to figure them out. Instead, I see him stretching to make cases and pushing reasons to call people scum. There's no figuring out motive or intent. It just seems incredibly fake to me. However, I'm giving myself a little leeway with this one, because early indications from Mastin and AP indicate that he may just be someone who is difficult to get a good read on.

Scum

Majiffy:

I'm really not seeing the level of scumhunting that I'd expect to see from Majiffy. Sure he's calling people scum, but he seems to be going after easier targets or targets where he doesn't have to really try. Take the PL he tried to push on Doduo as an example. That looked like a cheap line of attack and one where he really didn't have to try to appear like he's scumhunting. That's not what I'd expect from town Majiffy. And while I started to doubt my read with his self-vote AtE, where he showed an extreme level of aggression, I didn't see him do anything with it. In fact, I haven't really seen a high level of scumhunting from him. Sure he blusters a lot, but that's about it. There's also his extreme defense of Mollie, which really doesn't make sense given the posts she's made. Bottom line is that he's a lot of noise with little substance, and that's not town Majiffy.

Pirate Mollie:

Same issue with Mollie. Where is the scumhunting? Where is her trying to figure out other players? Heck, where is her going knee deep paranoid on someone and trying to run them into the ground? She did that at least twice on the first day of NY 171, with varying degrees of paranoia and pressure. Where is that here? Sure there are a couple of bright spots, but they do absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. She's a non-entity this game, and that's concerning.

Beastcharizard:

Thanks to ZZZX for really getting me to analyze his play further. Beast is not playing like I've seen him play as town. He normally goes with the flow a lot more as town. In this game, his posts are a lot more aggressive and they seem to be carrying an agenda. It's a stark contrast to what I've seen of his town play.

Vote Majiffy

I know there are more people who want to join me.

[Bulbazak]

Again, the middle of the game is a gold mine of information. You became obv. town somewhere in there.

[Bulbazak]

Actually I kinda think Bulbazak is scum

I think you're town now. Deal with it.

[Bulbazak]

Because you're paranoid as crap. Now help me lynch Majiffy.

[Bulbazak]

Beastcharizard: Thanks to ZZZX for really getting me to analyze his play further. Beast is not playing like I've seen him play as town. He normally goes with the flow a lot more as town. In this game, his posts are a lot more aggressive and they seem to be carrying an agenda. It's a stark contrast to what I've seen of his town play.

Have you looked at his scum game? If so, how does

it

compare?

I haven't played with him as scum. I just know that what I've seen of his town game is not as aggressive as here.

Majiffy:

I'm really not seeing the level of scumhunting that I'd expect to see from Majiffy. Sure he's calling people scum, but he seems to be going after easier targets or targets where he doesn't have to really try. Take the PL he tried to push on Doduo as an example. That looked like a cheap line of attack and one where he really didn't have to try to appear like he's scumhunting. That's not what I'd expect from town Majiffy. And while I started to doubt my read with his self-vote AtE, where he showed an extreme level of aggression, I didn't see him do anything with it. In fact, I haven't really seen a high level of scumhunting from him. Sure he blusters a lot, but that's about it. There's also his extreme defense of Mollie, which really doesn't make sense given the posts she's made. Bottom line is that he's a lot of noise with little substance, and that's not town Majiffy.

Pirate Mollie:

Same issue with Mollie. Where is the scumhunting? Where is her trying to figure out other players? Heck, where is her going knee deep paranoid on someone and trying to run them into the ground? She did that at least twice on the first day of NY 171, with varying degrees of paranoia and pressure. Where is that here? Sure there are a couple of bright spots, but they do absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. She's a non-entity this game, and that's concerning.

These reads are chortlelicious. Especially the really super shitty Mollie read. Everything you're asking for she's exhibited ITT.

No she hasn't. She hasn't done much of anything. That was sorta the point of that read. Why are you so quick to go out of your way to defend her?

Unvote

Vote Wickedestjr

I'd like to revive this wagon. Any takers?

[Bulbazak]

ZZZX, join the Wicked wagon.

[Bulbazak]

PN, is there a reason why you think Wicked is town?

[Bulbazak]

Why is GG painting you as scum?

No clue. I'm curious about the change of heart as well.

I don't like either of the current wagons, which is why I'm trying to get a wagon on one of my scumreads going.

[Bulbazak]

AP, how do you have a townread on AC. He hasn't done anything alignment indicative afaict.

[Bulbazak]

AP, Mastin is town. I will accept your vote on the Wicked wagon, however.

[Bulbazak]

AP, I have other reasons for my Mastin townread. Trust me. She's town.

[Bulbazak]

Get your stick out of your butt, stop trusting Majiffy-scum for no reason, unvote Mastin-town, and get your vote on Wicked-scum. Please and thank you.

[Bulbazak]

BULBAZAK.

GET ON THIS SCUM LYNCH RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

BEFORE MASTIN ACTUALLY PUTS IN EFFORT THIS GAME AND DUPES ALL THE DUMBS INTO THINKING SHES TOWN.

Give me a day phase to have live interaction with Mastin. In the meantime, help me lynch Wicked.

But there is no scum motive behind it. I expect you see it deeper than this. I actually town read him for that play.

Drink up!

Making yourself unreadable or otherwise bogging the thread down with unintelligible/near-unintelligible coded posts is anti-town at best.

My vote doesn't move until one of us is dead, or Doduo stops being an asshat.

That right there for one. The picture is the softclaim.

Oh huh what is mollie doing this game. Oh right lurking and avoiding challenging anyone.

Everyone is free to sheep me whenever

All you've shown is evidence of Mollie-scum, which we already knew. I wouldn't be opposed to a wagon there, either, but I'm not sure we could get that lynch today.

I'm not voting Mollie even if a mod-confirmed IC sane daycop had a guilty tracker gunsmith report on her.

But I thought your wincon....

*cough*scum*cough*

SS, Oh come on. Don't pull that line. The VCs have shown wagons on several other people, including Wicked. I coincidentally happen to be the weakest of your townreads.

This is blatantly transparent. I'll be rereading Mastin's ISO tomorrow. We may no lynch here but we have Saki scum.

Remember when I flip town, Saki is unquestionably scum.

well i dont read the VCs because of the nasty flavor

but you made your point.

VOTE: marquis

The sequence of events is horrible. I think that was the worst vote switch I have seen in all my life of mafia. Explain yourself.

Beast gets town points for this.

[Bulbazak]

The fact that so many people think Wicked is scum but refuse to vote him boggles my mind.

[Bulbazak]

i dont think wicked is scum

Why not?

[Bulbazak]

1 man wagons but with "many people" (read:scum) calling someone scum is usually on town

On the contrary. For a player that everybody is supposedly scumreading, it has been incredibly difficult to get a wagon going. That generally points towards scum.

[Bulbazak]

Depends on context.

Is wicked being pushed majorly?

Is there a case against wicked?

Is someone shouting in big bold letters "lets lynch wicked he is scum"?

If none of the above, it's possible that you aren't pushing enough/they aren't true scum reads, in that town does not have him pegged as scum enough to commit. Even if a player is objectively scummy, he may be town, and it appears this may be the general (unmentioned) consensus. Nobody wants/dares to commit.

This is scum with Wicked.

I agree.

Bulba, we aren't getting the lynches we want today. It is either Mastina or no lynch I think.

I don't compromise on strong townreads.

Unvote

Vote Speedy Saki

Hey Marquis! We're lynching scum. Want to join?

[Bulbazak]

Depends on context.

Is wicked being pushed majorly?

Is there a case against wicked?

Is someone shouting in big bold letters "lets lynch wicked he is scum"?

If none of the above, it's possible that you aren't pushing enough/they aren't true scum reads, in that town does not have him pegged as scum enough to commit. Even if a player is objectively scummy, he may be town, and it appears this may be the general (unmentioned) consensus. Nobody wants/dares to commit.

This is scum with Wicked.

I agree.

Okay, so Titus is scumread by many people.

But it is difficult to get a wagon on Titus, despite majiffy's best efforts.

According to your hard and fast blanket rule, finding it difficult to push a wagon on someone who is scum read by many, is on scum

Ergo, Titus is scum.


Therefore Titus is bussing me???


See how little sense you make?

Nice strawman. You misrepped me by taking a section where I called out a common belief (I never said it was my own.) when trying to get a wagon to move from a townread to a scumread. You then mischaracterize that argument and use it to try to discredit my scumread of you. Town MS wouldn't do this. Scum MS would.

[Bulbazak]

That isn't a straw man. That's me hyperbolizing and extrapolating your terrible rigidity and inflexibility.

What you are doing though,(calling my argument a strawman), itself is a straw man

It is a strawman. You took an argument out of context, twisted it, and then misrepped it and turned it against me to discredit my read on you. That is not coming from town you.

Would you like to dance, bulba? I can entertain you is guess. Just like we did in voided mafia

I'm guessing you want to try to get into a wall war to muddle the thread and keep town from actually paying attention to you?

[Bulbazak]

Titus vs. Saki yesterday looks decidedly Scum v. Scum

How?

Titus's hammer post sets off so many alarm bells.

Saw your reasoning. It really shouldn't if you had been reading the thread. This trying to assign blame, though, does set off alarm bells.

Bulbazak has basically not contributed any original thoughts and if GG is town (which I think they likely are) then Bulbazak is almost assuredly scum

I'm beginning to think "not given any original thougts" is short hand for "I didn't really pay attention to what this replacement said, but I want to call him scummy for no explainable reason.". Plus, I don't think that carries a lot of weight coming from the guy who hasn't made a large impact on the game and is going around sheeping the major wagons. Also, how am I scum if GG is town?

Lying Cat's presence has sort of gone away since the pressure was lifted off of them though IIRC that's not entirely for in-game reasons

Seeing as how the day just started, that shouldn't be surprising.

MTD has just been abdicating responsibility for all of his actions

Where did he do that?

I mean...he went 11 days without posting anything for content..ok, not exactly scummy, but really?

I told Anti upon taking the slot that it might be a couple of days before I could begin reading due to other priorities, and the reading process was slow for me this time around.

I also disliked this post for similar reasons. Response feels...lacking? I call him scum and he retorts by saying "You are town, deal with it". Meh? Just reads out of place / dismissive. Hes just reiterating an opinion which makes him look consistent but doen't hit me in the feels.

You just said "I think Bulba may be scum." out of the blue for no particular reason. I figured there might be something in my catchup post that you didn't like, but seeing as how you wanted to be all aloof, I didn't feel like tracking it down. Did you really expect a different response?

Vote Speedy Saki

P-edit: Snork, are you ETL?

Watcha got Jiffy?

[Bulbazak]

I kind of think Saki and ZZZx might be scum together, discuss?

Are you talking about ZZZX's d2 entrance post?

[Bulbazak]

Vezok, it was pretty clear that she DIDN'T want to lynch Mastin. In fact, she tried lynching several other players, but you in particular wouldn't hear it (I'm not forgetting about you pushing a Mastin lynch and then changing your tune last minute.). She compromised to avoid a no lynch, because everyone was refusing to budge, and I'm not going to fault her for that. Now stop being stubborn and anti-town and get your vote off of Titus.

[Bulbazak]

There is also the fact that PN has expressed strong suspicion on titus and now he's dead.

And we know how reliable

that

tell is.

[Bulbazak]

However, I really doubt that Jingle would be this lurky as scum.

Hey Bulba, what made you come to this conclusion?

I've seen Jingle as scum several times, and he is a very confident player and not one for lurking.

@GG: what do you think about Titus' fun tunnelling yet not following Town's Standard Operating Procedure for hunting scum ?

What

is

Town's Standard Operating Procedure for finding scum?

Saki's #2096 is just noise and similar for what they were aiming for by trying to provoke a wall fight with me at the end of d1. They're hoping town ignores them because of fluff like this.

u wanted crumbs and i gave u crumbs. if you're too lazy to find them yourself then

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you were showing crumbs you'd actually, I don't know, show them, not quote whole wall posts and say "See. Crumbs.".

@Majiffy: What do you think of the Saki hydra? Also, explain your Mollie townread to me, because I'm still not seeing it.

[Bulbazak]

Also, I'm trying to promote discussion. If you think discussion is bad for town then lol to you

I don't see how quoting walls and saying nothing about them is promoting discussion.

[Bulbazak]

Mollie is a townread because shes playing like she typically plays as town.

And my point is the direct opposite: This isn't like she plays as town. There's no scumhunting. There's no her trying to figure things out. And most of all, there's no passion in her play, and she hasn't hit the paranoid notes I'd be expecting her to hit given this player list.

[Bulbazak]

Regardless, I still don't see how you're getting Mollie-town when none of the indicators of Mollie-town are present.

[Bulbazak]

Because the indicators were there earlier and alignments dont just quantumly change.

And my point was that *I* didn't see them.

Regardless, I still don't see how you're getting Mollie-town when none of the indicators of Mollie-town are present.

do you really think that ap had a scumread on mastina? cos I don't see how he possibly could.

I am waiting to hear from him and if I don't I am ramming this lynch through

After L4D, I can see AP being paranoid of Mastin over a shift in playstyle.

[Bulbazak]

Because she hasnt always been moving all game and alignments dont randomly change

Okay, she hasn't been moving all game. Great. Then she has no excuse for her dismal performance this entire game.

The other thing that upsets me is how little interest people have in posting here.

I have RL stuff plus other games. I think you can survive with me not posting for a day or so. But how about we take a moment to discuss your complaining about the lack of content while doing nothing to generate content yourself.

And I also recall you and other players townreading PeregrineV, but I see nothing that merits a town read and my gut doesn't really agree.

You learn how to read PV after playing with him for several games. General rule of thumb is that if he's trying to figure out the game, he's probably town.

I have already given up on this game there is no fucking cohesion whatsoever and I don't even know where to start in order to make that happen. the only reason I am not replacing out is cos I don't want to put anti through the trouble of finding a replacement.

Mollie, this might as well be a scum claim. Similar to GG, complaining about lack of content while doing absolutely nothing to provide content of your own is scummy. To make matters worse, you talk about how you gave up on the game due to lack of cohesion, but this is false, seeing as how you've NEVER been active and involved in this game. In fact, that's why I'm scumreading you. You've been staying in the background way too much, and that doesn't look like the town Mollie I know.

And I am 100% right about ZZZX's recent activity because I saw him on and was hoping hed say something I could talk to him about , but he didn't.

Was he posting in other games, or did you just see that he was online and assumed that he was ignoring you? And if he was posting, was he just prod dodging or was he actually posting content? And if he was posting content, do you think that maybe, just maybe, it was possible that he was catching up in those games in some sort of arbitrary order and he just hadn't gotten to this game yet? Did you take ANY of those factors into account before you made that accusation?

no

VOTE: gg

unless they come up with something awsum which I sincerely doubt.

toe in the sand.

This is an interesting choice since pretty much everyone has them as obvtown. I did see some things early on which set me off but hm.

Someone give me a vig shot tonight, because I want both Saki and Ac dead.

[Bulbazak]

Can someone give me a case on Saki? I am not seeing scum there.

He's misrepped me and was way too defensive. Not only that, but he purposely was trying to egg me into a wall war, which he knows no one would read, i.e. he wanted to clog up the thread and diminish the flow of information. He also doesn't have the same playful feel as town Sonic does, and he seems like he's playing with an agenda.

Bulba - his big read post. It looked like Bulba was trying to give the appearance of having put in a lot of effort into making his reads. However, basically all his reads were restatements of the general popular opinion at the time.

And by "restatements of the general popular opinion" you mean did not fit with the popular opinion at all and was at odds with the current leading wagons.

Leaning town on Wicked for his #2204.

Bulba how right were your reads :/

Huh?

[Bulbazak]

I like how Saki says I'm lying, but doesn't try to dispute those "lies" or show where and how I'm lying.

[Bulbazak]

I like how Bulbazak says I "misrepped him" but doesn't try to dispute those "misreps" or show where and how I'm misrepping him.

this post was longer but then it sounded too tacky so i did some snip

Lie:

Depends on context.

Is wicked being pushed majorly?

Is there a case against wicked?

Is someone shouting in big bold letters "lets lynch wicked he is scum"?

If none of the above, it's possible that you aren't pushing enough/they aren't true scum reads, in that town does not have him pegged as scum enough to commit. Even if a player is objectively scummy, he may be town, and it appears this may be the general (unmentioned) consensus. Nobody wants/dares to commit.

This is scum with Wicked.

I agree.

Okay, so Titus is scumread by many people.

But it is difficult to get a wagon on Titus, despite majiffy's best efforts.

According to your hard and fast blanket rule, finding it difficult to push a wagon on someone who is scum read by many, is on scum

Ergo, Titus is scum.


Therefore Titus is bussing me???


See how little sense you make?

Nice strawman. You misrepped me by taking a section where I called out a common belief (I never said it was my own.) when trying to get a wagon to move from a townread to a scumread. You then mischaracterize that argument and use it to try to discredit my scumread of you. Town MS wouldn't do this. Scum MS would.

That isn't a straw man. That's me hyperbolizing and extrapolating your terrible rigidity and inflexibility.

What you are doing though,(calling my argument a strawman), itself is a straw man

It is a strawman. You took an argument out of context, twisted it, and then misrepped it and turned it against me to discredit my read on you. That is not coming from town you.

oh i got another comeback

>wants me to dispute his lies

>doesn't want to 1v1

yeah okay maybe I shouldn't dispute your lies because "no one would read them, it would only clog up the thread and diminish the flow of information."

Another lie. You never said you wanted to 1v1 (which is generally a stupid idea). You said you wanted to wall war:

Would you like to dance, bulba? I can entertain you is guess. Just like we did in voided mafia

In Voided we walled at each other for almost 2 day phases and nobody payed any attention to what either of us were saying. Sure we got townreads on each other by the end, but it didn't help anybody else much. And we both hadn't played with each other before, so I didn't know what to expect from you. That's not the case now, and due to the way you're acting, this is not your town game.

[Bulbazak]

Also Bulba's case on Saki is damn weak.

Given that I've played with Metal before and know what his towngame looks like, a case of him lying and misrepping me and then trying to clog the thread up with a wall war so that nobody could see how scummy he was being is pretty strong. And let's not forget that buddying he was doing when I entered the game.

[Bulbazak]

#2218 sums things up rather nicely.

[Bulbazak]

Normally when a thread closes, I don't go back to prior posts when the day opens back up again, especially when scum was spamming and I didn't have time to get back to it in the first place. But MS wants to be

that

kind of scumbutt, so here I go.

1) your argument: wicked is scum because it is difficult to push a wagon on him despite many people scum reading him

2) my argument: depends on context, your statement is not true

3) you say: 'lol you are scum'

4) I give an example on how stupid your statement is

5) you go:"LOL STRAWMAN YOU TOOK MY ARGUMENT OUT OF CONTEXT"

1.) No, that was not my argument. I gave several reasons for my Wicked scumread, none of which were related to the difficulty of the wagon. As deadline was nearing though, and as I didn't like any of the other wagon, and since I knew that a lot of people had a Wicked scumread, I tried my best to push that lynch and get people to switch. Seeing as I know that several players with a Wicked scumread were huge proponents of wagon speed theory, I used that as a means to try to bring them over to my preferred wagon. It had nothing to do with why I was scumreading Wicked.

2.) And when saying that, you ignored all of the pushing being done to try to get a Wicked wagon and the cases on him.

3.) I stated an agreement with Titus that you were likely scum with Wicked. You are misrepping what I actually said and making it sound as if I was just scumeading you for kicks and giggles.

4.) Here's what you said:

Depends on context.

Is wicked being pushed majorly?

Is there a case against wicked?

Is someone shouting in big bold letters "lets lynch wicked he is scum"?

If none of the above, it's possible that you aren't pushing enough/they aren't true scum reads, in that town does not have him pegged as scum enough to commit. Even if a player is objectively scummy, he may be town, and it appears this may be the general (unmentioned) consensus. Nobody wants/dares to commit.

This is scum with Wicked.

I agree.

Okay, so Titus is scumread by many people.

But it is difficult to get a wagon on Titus, despite majiffy's best efforts.

According to your hard and fast blanket rule, finding it difficult to push a wagon on someone who is scum read by many, is on scum

Ergo, Titus is scum.


Therefore Titus is bussing me???


See how little sense you make?

Not only was that strawmanning my original argument (on the basis that I was never scumreading Wicked for that reason), but you then twisted said argument and used it to discredit me. That's called a misrep.

4.) Again, you are misrepping what I actually said by making it sound like I had no basis for what I said:

Nice strawman. You misrepped me by taking a section where I called out a common belief (I never said it was my own.) when trying to get a wagon to move from a townread to a scumread. You then mischaracterize that argument and use it to try to discredit my scumread of you. Town MS wouldn't do this. Scum MS would.

You are trying to make it sound like I have no basis for scumreading you when I actually do. You are trying to mischaracterize and discredit my arguments for why you are scum. That is a scum move.

Please kindly quote and highlight for me the part which I said "wall war"

See, this is a subtle bit of manipulation on your part, because you never

said

wall war, but you certainly implied it:

Would you like to dance, bulba? I can entertain you is guess. Just like we did in voided mafia

Here's the game you're referencing. If anybody would go and do a dual ISO of me and your hydra, they'd find that we ended up walling on each other for close to 2 game days. Hardly anyone payed attention, and it ended up taking valuable space. Here you are suggesting that we do it again. Being at the end of day 1, where we were trying to figure out who scum was, and you were just coming under suspicion, such a suggestion couldn't come at a worse time. You were essentially suggesting that we just wall and clog up the thread, and it would benefit you, because no one would be paying attention to those arguments in the first place. And the kicker is that if you were town, you wouldn't posture dancing with me so that we might come to an understanding, you'd just do it. Here you are just doing things for appearances, which means that you are scum trying to look town, rather than actually being town.

In Voided we walled at each other for almost 2 day phases and nobody payed any attention to what either of us were saying. Sure we got townreads on each other by the end, but it didn't help anybody else much. And we both hadn't played with each other before, so I didn't know what to expect from you. That's not the case now, and due to the way you're acting, this is not your town game.

That game was 1 year ago. Firstly, using one game to judge my play is a very, very,

very

,

very

small sample size to reach any reliable conclusion. Secondly, using a one-year-past-game to just my play is very, very,

very

stale meta. Thirdly, I'm rather sure that we've improved to such a point since the past year to make our "war" more concise, readable and conclusive (this is a lie: I do not know if you have improved or not.) Lastly, I'm pretty sure this playerlist would pay attention to what we say this time, considering users Majiffy, pirate mollie, Titus, and probably more.

Don't you dare do this. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT FREAKING BROUGHT UP VOIDED IN THE FIRST PLACE! I am not using that game as a way to judge your play, as I've played with you a lot more since then, and that game is an anomaly as far as your play goes. Using far more recent games as a basis for your play here, I can say with certainty that it is off, especially the part where you are so grievously misrepping me. The one line about not knowing whether I've improved is not only a low blow, but a blatant lie, as you've played a lot with me, and I've seen evidence of you having great respect for my play. And given that we were close to deadline when you suggested this, and the fact that everyone was showing signs of apathy, they would absolutely not have been paying attention to an end of day wall war, so that last part is a lie as well, and more specifically, a justification for your wanting to spam the thread with information so that no one would look at you.

MTD and Saki are scumbuddies with Wicked probably.

I don't think Wicked is scum anymore.

go ISO Bipolarchemist (i quite liked the guy)... he didnt crumb the role at all! why would anyone in the right mind buy this acdude's claim????

People are afraid of killing him cause he is uncced and I really think the back-up is town.

did he crumb the role prior to his claim?

scum have fake claims so i don't think "uncced" ever means anything in a theme game.

this was unintentional

i am sorry antihero

How do you know scum have fake claims?

This seems rather fake.

[Bulbazak]

My deepest apologies. I should have rephrased it to "The statement which I disagree with".

That's fine.

Yes sir, there was indeed a lot of pushing on Wicked, which resulted in a successful maximum 2-man wagon. It took 9 to lynch. I hope you can forgive me when I ignored the Wicked "wagon" and "pushes".

But your point regarding context was that there were not a lot of pushes and that there was no case. Excuse me for calling BS.

First of all, you completely dismissed my argument, which I sincerely put out to attempt to reach out to you, with "This is scum with Wicked" "I Agree". Granted, it might have been Titus's fault, but by agreeing with her, the point extends to you as well: you completely ignored and dismissed my argument to prove your statement wrong, by saying "lol you're scum". No logic, no rebuttal, no dispute, just "You are scum with Wicked". Anyone would feel slighted in this position. So although you call me out for discrediting you, that was exactly my intention in retaliation. If you can call me out for "discrediting you"... just remember the pot calling kettle black.

Fair enough.

Except that it isn't valid because you didn't consider my argument which you later discovered in 1). I disagreed with/corrected your "common belief", in return you come back with "lol you're scum". So no, I did not misrep you, I was making a point. Yes, I admit to discrediting you, but I think that's okay.

I don't, but whatever.

Well, then the words "wall war" came from your mouth, not mine. You are misrepping me. Clear cut example.

It's not a misrep when it's clearly implied. You wanted to dance like in Voided. That would result in a wall war.

You then proceed on to describe how wall wars

potentially

limit discussion, how it is anti-town, nobody will read them, it is a scum move, etc. Basically, you misrep me and bring it on further by placing imaginary scum motivations and magical confirmation bias on the words "wall war" which I never mentioned in the entirety of this game.

That close to deadline, that was the only motivation I could see.

I made you dance anyway Your paragraph is moot.

That game was the one we interacted the most; apart from [ONGOING GAME]. In fact, I barely remember playing with you solo in any of my past games; you were either hydra-ing with EddieFenix (cool guy), or didn't make a very big impression on me if indeed we played in recent games main account-to-main account.

We've played quite a bit with each other, actually, and you rarely get this serious.

Well played, sir. Well played.

Unvote

Vote Pirate Mollie

[Bulbazak]

Hello Jingle. Where have you been hiding?

Unvote

Vote MTD

I'm really not seeing a coincidence in when LC decided to reenter the thread.

@GG: What is your read on Mollie again? Because Majiffy has been protecting that slot like crazy, even though Mollie is being a total lurk sack.

[Bulbazak]

@MS: Want to wagon MTD with me? I'll also accept Mollie or LC.

[Bulbazak]

-@Bulba

Why does your play seem too off? You are usually more agressive in general

My aggression varies based on circumstances. As for my play being off, it's probably because I have a lot of other things on my mind, and even though it's better now that I'm caught up, this game is still pretty low on my priority list.

[Bulbazak]

Nope fuck it

VOTE: Saki


If you're confused, take a skim through the bottom of page 2 ISO upwards. And look at the giant wall wars and massive statements pointing towards a Bulba scumread. Then suddenly Bulba-wagon-scumled. Out of nowhere.

Lets lynch this thing.

I think I know the answer, but I'd like to have MS say so.

VOTE: Saki

That makes sense. I will read it myself later.

@LC: Explain the Mollie townread.

[Bulbazak]

@ bulba

did you just say that this game was a low priority for you and that is why there is a distinct lack of aggression from you while voting me for lack of aggression when I have said that this game is a low priority for me due to IRL stuff and I am unsure of my handle on the gamestate?

I actually said that my level of aggression is based on a variety of circumstances. This game being my lowest priority game was another thought entirely, and was more based on my rate of posting. I also stated that my being caught up in the game also means that I'm going to care about the game more, compared to when I was catching up, when that was a deadly combination of this game being low priority and me not rightly caring. Regardless, it should still be evident that I'm trying on some level. You just checked out from the very beginning and I'm not even seeing you putting any effort into the game. I've never seen that from town you, and those excuses never really added up to me.

I am liking lying cat now.

Why?

Lost a more wordy post answer, but polarized, equal wagons provide tighter scrutiny for voters and non-voters (Why did you vote A over B? Why are you not voting A or B?), especially after the flip.

Fair enough. I'm down with an MTD or Saki lynch, I just figured it would be nice to have a lynch ASAP since we already had one claim today.
VOTE: MTD

I really want to believe that the backup is town, but every time I see Ac post, I want to lynch that slot with fire.

[Bulbazak]

Not sure, his opinions are often ok but generic, the Saki case still looks fabricated. I p much skipped the wall-war, though.

What opinions are generic? There seem to be an awful lot of people saying that, but then they won't back up their statement when cornered.

Good. Jiffy. Finally voting Saki.

MTD getting lynched will probably net scum as well.

For Jiffy only, is MTD own or scum?Why?

That sounds awfully like you are sure I am town, which is strange, given that you were scumreading me the entire game.

Where does it sound like she knows you are town? She's stated pretty clearly that she thinks your lynch will net scum.

I hate this VC. I don't want to vote Saki, I really don't.
LC isn't happening.
I'm not voting Marquis.
whelp.

VOTE: Bulba

This is the only other thing that enough people have expressed suspicion on that it might actually be a possibility.

I hate this reserved vote, because if my lynch would happen, you could always say that there were no other good options come the next day and walk away from any responsibility.

[Bulbazak]

acfan is still a good option btw: i dont believe his claim at all.

I do, mainly because the mod has told us that there is a backup inventor.

Actually fuck that majiffy has been full of shit the whole game

VOTE: titus

You have been conftowned by a lying VT

Please

Hey, did you know that the mechanic in this game revolves around inventors? Did you know that inventors give abilities away? Amazing right?

I could probably lynch Bulbazak.

Do you have actual reasoning, or is this just paranoia?

Four. There should have been four.

acFan said he couldn't use his last night because of the timing; mastin was lynched so didn't get to use hers (presumably). I got a Track shot. Vezok got a Jail shot. There is one left unaccounted for by my numbers.

I thought that inventors gave their abilities out during the day, so that should mean that Mastin got her ability to someone, right?

@Mod: I will be V/LA until July 7. I have family coming over (which I'm not really looking forward to), and a majority of my time is going to be devoted to entertaining them. Plus, this is the July 4 weekend, so I don't know how often I will be available.

[Bulbazak]

#2459 is a scum post. This is not Jingle scumhunting. This is Jingle finding any reason he can to push a lynch. He's not looking at intent, which is obvious, since he's not figuring out why MS, of all people, would say phrase X, when it's obvious he means something completely different. This is surface play, which is meant to look like scumhunting, something that I observed first hand when I modded Newbie 1498.

Vote Lying Cat

[Bulbazak]

Sorry to hurt your butts but mtd cw was a flashwagon driven by scum. Saki aint town.

Not true on 2 counts. 1.) The MTD wagon arose after the Ac wagon fell through, mainly based on Mastin's reads. 2.) The MTD wagon was not a flash wagon, as it had been tied with the Saki wagon for most of the day. In fact, the final rush looks to be similar to what happened to Mastin, aka deadline lynching.

I'm curious at how you got scum had to give you the investigative role. Explain.

[Bulbazak]

Theory: Scum are in the (Players with a postcount of <100)

According to activity overview:
(Bulbazak, PeregrineV, ac1983fan,

vezokpiraka

, Lying Cat, Marquis, Wicked, beastcharizard)

we lynch in this pool

for today we get marquis

Activity is not alignment indicative, although LC is scum. Vote them with me.

[Bulbazak]

I think both Saki and Marquis are scum. I totally agree with Marquis about the scum bravado thing about MS.

Does not compute.

Marquis is scum sheep me on this 1 bulb

No. I have a pretty strong Marquis townread.

I'd really like for LC to explain what is wrong with PV's plan.

[Bulbazak]

Bulb, what about my saki case reminds you of Virus Alert, specifically. I remember

shitty cases

and easy to manipulate newbtown, then almost getting screwed over by replacements. I'm not sure what that has to do with my play here..

Particularly, your case on MS is very surface. You're not trying to figure out intent, just things or wording that you can nitpick and call scummy. The White Knighting part is a prime example. It is obvious that MS doesn't mean WK in the way that is commonly thought, and probably means something else and is using the wrong phrase. Instead of taking the time and trying to figure out what exactly MS means, you start creating a BS case based on linguistic crap. You're not trying to figure out MS's alignment, but rather reasons that you can call one of the biggest wagons scum.

[Bulbazak]

Would you be interested in lynching LC?

[Bulbazak]

Is anyone else getting a scummy vibe from mollie?

For awhile now.

On that note, I think the track-inventor should target vezok today. How does everybody feel about that?

I don't think it's a good idea to give the only investigative ability to a player with a target on his back during the night. Although, maybe if he was doc'd...

[Bulbazak]

LyingCat was basically a non-presence on Day 2. Day 3 comes around and as soon as there is a wagon on them again, bam, mega active.
This feels textbook scum behavior...?

Then why not vote them?

also jailkeeping ac causes any actions targeting him to be blocked. this is like power role 101.

No it doesn't. It would only stop kills targeting Ac. All other abilities would go through.

[Bulbazak]

Beast scumreading LC, calling AC out for not voting LC, and then not voting LC is .

VOTE: Marquis

Lol. Really, the bystandard effect? There are two people who are voting me at least. This isn't everyone thinking everyone else is going to make a case against me. You are stretching Marquis.

Maybe your mislynch wagon on me isn't picking up because it is horrible.

the bystander effect doesn't apply to making a case on you

this is it:

multiple people have already said that they want to lynch you if your lynch gained steam, yet the bystander effect applies in how they're waiting for other people to wagon you first.

what's so stupid about this whole situation is that your wagon simply isn't building up because the people waiting for your wagon to build up are just watching and not voting.

also, if you weren't scum there would have been at least one large wagon on you, guaranteed. your play is just that naturally scummy, and there are more than enough players here who don't know you well enough to defend you based on meta.

scum are constantly looking for mislynches.

i don't seriously believe scum thought

mastin

would be an easier mislynch than you, and to a lesser extent the perpetual

lying cat

wagon.

Marquis makes a very good point here.

It would be best to put your vote on marquis so you have a counter wagon and because (he is scum)

And also so that I don't have to vote you

vote marquis in your next post or im yielding to the conftown bulbazak and ultratown mollie and sending you straight to the gallows.

Or you can vote LC right now and save town a mislynch.

[Bulbazak]

I don't understand how me not being run up just so I can claim makes me scum. I just don't see it. Maybe people realized running me up makes no damn sense because i am always scummy and they can just lynch me later if I am scum.

Would you be interested in a LC lynch?

Only as a compromise vote. I'd rather lynch mollie, but an LC lynch is way better than a Marquis lynch. I'm surprised that you're asking me this because you seemed interested in a mollie lynch yesterday. Where is your read on her now?

My read is at "Let's see what happens with the LC lynch and Mollie's reaction to it.". I think that will tell me everything I need to know and then I can proceed.

@Sonic: Get your vote back on LC-scum. Please and thank you.

[Bulbazak]

But... The cats claimed a town PR mollie!

They might have claimed a PR, but there is no guarantee that it's town.

an inventor town flip that does not specify what invention they gave

Mastin was a protective inventor, which makes Ac the new protective inventor who gives out docs.

Also Mollie, get your vote back on LC.

[Bulbazak]

Okay, Bulb. Explain to me why scum Tracker inventor would be a role in this setup.

Because the mod specifically said that any of the inventors could be town or scum, so you trying to say "Why would X type of inventor be scum?" is a stupid justification. The biggest reason would be night control. You can either give the track to town who you think you can outsmart, and therefore go for the town cred based on you giving the track to town, or you can use the track for information purposes. Personally, I think the former is the best use for scum. Consequently, it looks like the inventors were split up into 2 investigative and 2 protective. By your logic, all the investigative inventors should be town, right, since they are of no use to scum? Would that make the protective inventors scum by default (Impossible given the Mastin town flip.)? What about the backup? I just think trying to clear yourself by saying "Hey look, I'm an inventor!" is stupid and highly scum motivated.

bulba why do you think cat creatures are scum?

I explained this earlier in the day, but I'm seeing very surface scumhunting coming from them. They are not looking at motivation or intent, but they're looking at nitpicky elements, as if to find something they can latch onto and push it, without considering the implications. This was apparent in their treatment of MS d2. They tried to gig him on the white knight comment, when a simple understanding of MS's thought process would have shown that the words he was using and what he meant were not matching. MS had no idea how to match concepts to phrases, and LC was taking advantage of that at the end of the day to push that lynch through. Jingle's play in that regard also reminded me of the Newbie game I modded that Jingle played, as he was not an active poster, but yet took his time when he actually did post. His posts were created to push an agenda, and that's what I saw him doing at the end of d2 with the MS push. I also think they're overplaying the V/LA thing. Do I think they're faking the V/LA? No, but I do think they're overplaying it and using the absence to their advantage. I've also noticed them focusing less on scumhunting this day phase, and more on setup and night discussion. Add to that the whole "I can't be scum, because I'm an inventor." garbage, and I think they're trying to grab towncred based on night actions.

[Bulbazak]

Why did you feel the need to make a read list, Sonic?

[Bulbazak]

Why are you compromising when LC is tied as the highest wagon?

@Mod: Fix the VC, please.

[Bulbazak]

Vote Beastcharizard

[Bulbazak]

Vote Pirate Mollie

LC is her partner. She was very quick yesterday to back off them when a bigger wagon came along. I can actually also believe Saki being scum as well, as I believe they were the only alternative until Marquis took off.

This is L-1, btw.

[Bulbazak]

Vezok, why is Majiffy scum?

[Bulbazak]

So guess who I saw visiting LC last night?

Vote Metal Sonic

[Bulbazak]

Props to beast and Bulbazak for being the only two townies to stay off all three of those bandwagons.

It's easy to stay off d1 bandwagons when you're not caught up and have no clue what's going on. Plus the Mastin wagon was just bad.