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Ok, I have collected my thoughts
Still don't know who to vote but Feu claiming neighborizer, Feu, you should totally neighborize me tonight. And answer the same questions I am about to ask Juls.
Some of them would need to die until the scum one is dead.In post 84, SleepyKrew wrote:So if two or three people said "I'm a town encryptor", you'd want them all dead rather than doing scumhunting?
Is that not obvious?
We have a winnar.In post 90, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
???In post 88, Juls wrote:You tell me why we should not lynch him then?
Neighborhoods? Masons???
Real time communication with a fellow town player is fairly useful. Why do you think hydras are so popular? Why do you think there are such a huge risk if two good players happen to hydra and then roll town?In post 100, Juls wrote:Let's say we had the groups you suggest. The other groups could still talk in the night. What does a town person have to say in the day that can't wait to be said at night? Now ask yourself the same question about scum.
The knowledge and experience two players bring to a conversation leads to more accurate scumhunting, imo. It isn't a matter of "I don't want to say this during the day" and more "Who am I going to talk to during the day". A mason answers that question definitively.
You just came out of a game where a scum in a neighborhood fooled you?In post 105, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Well for starters I think neighborhoods are VERY strong in being able to identify if there are any scum in there.
Couldn't this just be Zach and Sotty talking in vague generalizations?In post 55, Desperado wrote:my role pm implies that multiple encryptors might exist, and if one is alive daytalk is available for all QTs
if you think i should die why bother rvsing sleepy?
Like the only reason that this is a Theme Game is because of the speed mechanic + mod wait line was shorter. Other than that, it should be fairly normal. I don't see Zach and Sotty eluding to other roles like that.
Explain please.In post 131, SleepyKrew wrote:
dat dissonanceIn post 129, Juls wrote:@SAD 123 - Awww and I was just starting to town read you. You can still be town even though your vote is bad.
You've taken on a very Faraday-esque style of posting. So I am basically playing with the Speakeasy Popularity winner. *blushes*In post 141, SleepyKrew wrote:
But apparently everyone is agreeing that there are multiple encrpytors based on something Desp's role PM might maybe be implying!In post 137, Feu et Vol wrote:ignore the quote it magically appeared
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pedit @ sad, scum wouldn't want to lynch the encryptor -> juls wants to lynch the encryptor -> juls is scum ? i....... don't agree??
This was exactly the interpretation I had to that post. I think Fue is town for it.In post 137, Feu et Vol wrote:pedit @ sad, scum wouldn't want to lynch the encryptor -> juls wants to lynch the encryptor -> juls is scum ? i....... don't agree??
Mastin, I've noticed something in our meta together (not your lovable alts). Can you tell me what it is?In post 145, mastin2 wrote:Yo.
I suppose this could be called an egopost, but briefly checking in to say I'll be on the right account soon and posting and reading.
In the mean time, I kinda assume RVS is over what with six pages and all, but figure I might as well propose a hydra-alliance anyway, with honorary members invited in as we deem appropriate. (For instance, NS, Oversoul, Desperado, Nero Cain, and Slandaar could all be honorary members.)
/be back soonish on the right account.
It isn't really a something, but it is a definite pattern.
Interested in hearing from Mastin, Mollie, and Hoopla about this post.In post 150, Not_Mafia wrote:Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.
Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me. Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.
VOTE: SleepyKrew
Posting:Content ratio too high
PEDIT: oh lord like a dozen posts popping up
Was this a fferylt knock off post?
See, like, this is totally something I think is town but Marquis and Beastcharizard do not strike me at all as the type of players to post setup analysis like this at all. I want to see your CV's gentlemen.In post 160, Feu et Vol wrote:
i've never seen a game with more than one encryptor.In post 141, SleepyKrew wrote:
But apparently everyone is agreeing that there are multiple encrpytors based on something Desp's role PM might maybe be implying!In post 137, Feu et Vol wrote:ignore the quote it magically appeared
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pedit @ sad, scum wouldn't want to lynch the encryptor -> juls wants to lynch the encryptor -> juls is scum ? i....... don't agree??
yes i know "i've never seen a game with" =/= "this isn't a game with" but when you take into account the fact that this is a GOTTA GO FAST GO GO GO quick game as well, i don't think the mod would do something that different from normal in addition to the stress caused by short deadlines. for the most part i think this is a mostly normal setup game
i'm not saying to lynch desp, because i think daytalk can benefit town as much as scum and i don't think i've ever really seen scum use daytalk to win/take advantage of a game. but what i mean is that i think lynching desp really would eliminate daytalk and the whole "there is more than one encryptor" idea is really far-fetched
pedit i'm usually wary of not_mafia but i like his post and opinion of daytalk. i don't like his vote on skrew though, he should know by now that annoying play more often than not is town
pedit2 please don't say retarded in that sense please
But, I do agree pretty much with all the major points of this post. It is interesting that from Juls claim and Desp's claim that Zach and Sotty chose to focus on information in this game rather than SPEED like the last one (which featured a Vigilante and a Supersaint).
Did you notice SAD calling Marquis hydra town? 2 posts before this one?In post 176, helium-3 wrote:
can you talk to me a bit about why you want to pl any1?In post 13, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Can't tell if it's better to pl the metal sonic hydra or the marquis hydra???
cos except for special instances, I think it shld never be done. and it seems like when it is presented in a joking manner it tends to come from scum.
VOTE: sad
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Yes and no.In post 186, helium-3 wrote:the only thing that benefits scum re:daytalk is that they can coordinate mylo.
there is always a bunch of talk about "coaching" but tbh I haven't really seen a lot of that. have you? this site is bus happy which I am grateful for since lynches aren't decided by dl plurality and sometimes that is only way to see a lynch on scum go through.
You're right about MyLo but any scumteam with people who value their scumplay will coach their teammates. I mean I totally did in Pikmin, Mastin for sure does, a lot of people do from what I've noticed? You just have to have a scumteam for it.
Liking Not_Mafia for 188.
nope.jpgIn post 189, helium-3 wrote:let's see... a vote on oversoul would be fine....
Okay, here's the deal. I was going to buddy you and shit because I want you to neighborize me tonight (honestly I am the best shot for this, screw the haters \m/ ) but this is bad, Juls. It is very emotional, caught for the wrong reasons, nastiness. You need to neighborize me tonight so I can conduct my analysis on you better.In post 198, Juls wrote:So basically the people voting me are voting me because changing my opinion is scummy? Alrighty then, I will probably VERY scummy this whole game then.
Now that I am at home and not phone posting let me be a little more verbose about my opinions. So let's take a walk through my thought process.
I guess the rest of the post makes up for it but still.
You should neighborize me tonight, seriously.
A few questions about that... you have daytalk currently? How long do the neighborhoods you make last (just the next day/night, the whole game, one single neighborhood that you allow access to so multiple people can post in it)?
I expect good things from Sugoko. I think F16 is an up and coming player.
Why are two different hydras signing their individual accounts the same way basically?
hmm...
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That was very perceptive of you. Are you reading my ongoing games?In post 229, Feu et Vol wrote:i'm playing skype mafia right now so just skimming and blah
but if you don't think i can post setup analysis maybe you should look at...... i don't know............ the vast majority of my towngames. particularly knight errant #1 and gif's (iirc) ace attorney game. the fact that i post in lowercase and am perceived as a "derp" so often doesn't mean i'm incapable of thinking about the setup. it's mildly insulting, so ~~~~~bye~Black Goo (Town; anyone who targets it with an action becomes Cult)
But I will read those I guess (probably not, I take your word for it).
And it wasn't entirely because of your lower case posting, it is because I don't know you. I haven't played with you and your name hasn't become a household name on MS yet.
My EQ must be low. I did not mean to offend you, Marquis.
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Confirms the existence of an Encryptor at the least.In post 231, Juls wrote:My role PM doesn't specify when I can talkbut I asked Zach and he said I can talk until he tells me otherwise.
This setup is cool but it just blase to me because I'm in Reck's game. :\ Oh well. Good thing I love neighborhoods.
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Here we go again, Mollie.
I mean, I'm not going to lie it is for :reasons: but it is for :town reasons:
pedit:
Honestly, Tammy, it is because I thought you developed a dislike towards me. I tried interacting with you on your GTAKS and you didn't respond to any of my posts (not eventhe Hi! ) so I wanted to give you space in case that was true-
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That's fineIn post 243, helium-3 wrote:
i'm not gonna lie, but whenever someone says "i'm not going to lie" i instantly dont trust whatever they say after that phraseIn post 239, Oversoul wrote:Here we go again, Mollie.
I mean, I'm not going to lie it is for :reasons: but it is for :town reasons:
pedit:
Honestly, Tammy, it is because I thought you developed a dislike towards me. I tried interacting with you on your GTAKS and you didn't respond to any of my posts (not eventhe Hi! ) so I wanted to give you space in case that was true-
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Zor said he was in Mafia and Mashups.In post 247, Imperium wrote:
OH yeah let's hope they run Team Mafia again!In post 242, Oversoul wrote:<3
I was hoping for a Team Mafia reunion this fall anyway but I was so afraid to approach you with that question if my suspicions were true
And I just noticed that yeah, you had so many posts I didn't even realize they were only answering the opening post. >_>
Also, yeah, N keeps getting after me about forgetting my gtkas :p
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That's so poeticIn post 255, helium-3 wrote:"when something is broken so young it never grows straight".
Why do you keep holding me to Pikmin
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it didn't even win a damn scummie
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On principle yes, but I figured that would rub some people the wrong way.In post 259, helium-3 wrote:
cos you look like a sleazy car salesman with your pitch to be neighbourized. do you disagree?In post 252, Oversoul wrote:Mollie, why are you voting me?
Scum are not going to be that obvious (well, maybe Reck/AP) but I am letting you know I will never do troll shit as scum. Too much pride.-
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Wow.In post 265, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
But it says majiffy was in the game :In post 257, Imperium wrote:Oh then my original reply still stands. I have no idea what he's mentioning about majiffy?
Youreallydidn't play in that game.
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Don't replace outIn post 303, Juls wrote:I'm seriously thinking about replacing out. Everyone seems to know the heads of the hydras and it's all very confusing to me. I have to keep looking at the main post. Like who the hell is pie? And talking about the other head of your hydras is making me confused too.
I'll do a cheat sheet for you.
Fue et Vol = BeastCharizard (the avatar) and Marquis (where the french comes from)
Speedy Saki = Sonic (fast) and Saki (Saki)
Helium 3 = I got nothing for you. Mollie is a girl, so thats where the purple is? Antihero is a chemistry student so thats where the name comes from?
Imperium = Two Ms in Tammy and iMperiuM, Nacho is an Imp
Perpetual Nonsense = Bert (Perpetual) SXYGHTLGAIDEN (Nonsense, I mean look at that name)
Sukogo Sugoi = Pieguyn is Asian and this an Asian ass name. F16 is a jet in the sky, avatar is of the sky
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Well, add him to the growing pile of people who can't read me. This like unfortunately also includes you and Faraday (SK <3).In post 402, Slice of Life wrote:
Yo, Oversoul.In post 194, Oversoul wrote:Hoopla, what do you make of Desp's encryptor claim and subsequent action.
It literally makes me
Anti's thoughts on you are looking accurate.
Well, then I'm scum bussing any scumbuddy you're suspicious of while I buddy you.
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What kind of bs is that statement.In post 405, Slice of Life wrote:
For the record, I'll only not get pissed at you if leaving me as lynchbait is temporary, and you actually reverse it around to prevent me from getting lynched.In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5944856#p5944856]post 222[/url], helium-3 wrote:cos mastina won't get pissed at me if I leave them as lynchbait while trying to determine their alignment when mastina is v/la on weekends (so am I) and haylen is hittin da club.
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I'm always town and you're always scum?In post 228, Oversoul wrote:Mastin, I've noticed something in our meta together (not your lovable alts). Can you tell me what it is?
It isn't really a something, but it is a definite pattern.
Juls is probs-town if I'm thinking right, but marquis-hydra is def-town.
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So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?In post 621, helium-3 wrote:
>sits in the backseat being "confused" the whole gameIn post 618, Antihero wrote:
^scumIn post 617, Hoopla wrote:Going to sheep Juls onto Helium
Looks like a good wagon.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Helium
>pawns off a shitty vote on Juls
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I didn't realize I said "Do you only vote for people that are voting for you?".In post 647, helium-3 wrote:
considering neither you nor notmafia are voting us, that's a shitty argument and further highlights that you're scumIn post 645, Oversoul wrote:So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?
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What do you look for in Mastin scum?In post 644, Slice of Life wrote:
I realize that there's a decent number of people here who don't really have that much experience with me, so here, have this. It should help.In post 440, Hoopla wrote:Gut scum read on Slice of Life.
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Oh? Really? I am?In post 659, helium-3 wrote:i just control+f'ed us in your ISO, oversoul
you are so full of shit with your "OMGUS" point
VOTE: oversoul
Let's take a look shall we?
228, where I announce suspicion of the Helium hydra by making comments about them that I am unsure of their alignment. Helium, Mollie specifically, then votes me in 235 for my "sleaziness". While it is true that Helium said an Oversoul vote would be good in 189, these votes that I will show seem toonlycome at a time when these players suspect Helium.
My first example is Hoopla.
Iso'ing Helium with Crtl + F Hoopla currently gives you 6 matches. 418, where Hoopla is casually mentioned by Juls and not addressed by Helium. 467, where Hoopla is a fairly high townread in Mastin's reads list. Helium agrees that this list is good, so therefore Helium must agree with the Hoopla read? Then 617 happens. This is when Hoopla votes Helium. 621, where Helium (Antihero) votes Hoopla and then puts Hoopla into a scumteam with myself, SAD, and Not_Mafia. This post contains 2 out of the 6 instances Helium mentions Hoopla. This retaliatory vote came directly after Hoopla voted Helium. After this, Helium quotes two of Hoopla's posts and just labels them as scum.
Now, let's talk about Not_Mafia and Helium.
Helium's statements that they had called out Not_Mafia first is correct. However, let's take a look at that. 189 Helium announces suspicion of Not_Mafia. In 191, Helium votes Not_Mafia. Helium then does not mention Not_Mafia for ~300 thread posts and 40 of their own posts until Not_Mafia votes them in 451 at which point Helium votes Not_Mafia in retaliation in 468.
I will give that Not_Mafia's move OFF Helium onto Juls is scummy, but saying that these votes so far haven't been retaliatory is disingenuous.
Helium did attack SAD in the beginning but let off in the middle of the day until SAD brought up his own opinion on Helium.
SAD is more of the same since Helium stuck to him for his "omg quote" post but Mollie says she was waffley on the read, who like Not_Mafia, Helium ignores for several hundred thread posts from 294 until 485 after SAD's own 470 where he makes a mild comment against Helium.
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Where do you get the notion that you can actually read me?In post 667, Slice of Life wrote:Probably.
I can basically vote any one of them at this point, soyeah.
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Did you not search the iso feature?In post 679, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Oh NS posted.
I apparently missed it.
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It is when you vote them and then completely ignore them and only remember to revote them after THEY say something about you.
But yes, go on. Fail more at reading me. You know what? I think I am going to add a line to my signature of all the people who can't read me. You and Mastin will top the list.-
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Answer this seriously, Mastin.In post 405, Slice of Life wrote:I'm always town and you're always scum?-
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Yes?In post 767, helium-3 wrote:
being unsure of alignment = something to retaliate for? wow. how far up your ass did you have to reach to find that?
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That you only follow through with your accusations when people respond to your accusations. It is reaction rather than proaction. You are a very reactionary player and no one is apparently allowed to suspect you or else they will be voted.In post 777, helium-3 wrote:
i think this gets to the heart of the issue, oversoul.In post 772, helium-3 wrote:repeating what you said earlier doesn't make it any more true.
according to you:
>i call them scum
>they OMGUS
>i vote them
what is unnatural/scummy about this progression? and don't tell me "nothing", you're heavily implying it (which is also really really weaselly, btw).
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Jesus Christ.
Fucking lynch me I don't care. I'm not going to interact with you anymore. Probably not going to interact with Mastin either other than having her answer my question seriously and any subsequent information for that. She has the same shitty record at reading me *psst mollie, this is why I said you cannot read me. because you fucking can't*
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What Tammy? I'm not referring to anything Hoopla said at all-
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It isn't rage quit from the game. It is rage quit from YOU.In post 788, helium-3 wrote:haha
you call me a "reactionary player". i point out that it's because of the way you're framing it/a consequence of the landscape of the game. and... what? you go straight to "RAEG QUIT"?
if you can't articulate your argument in a way that it doesn't sound bullshitty, it's a bad argument.
and i'm more than happy to oblige, tyvm.
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Speedy Saki's posts are like bubble gum, not long lasting. Why did you call them out specifically?In post 826, Nobody Special wrote:
Try harder. You're part of the reason I'm still not caught up yet.In post 124, SleepyKrew wrote:Yes I post a lot. Sorry. I really do try to restrain myself.-
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I am a new person. I will no longer be cursing in this game, or any of my other games. I'm done with it.
I will make a few general comments now I guess.
I think Slandaar should be treated skeptically. I've read some Mini normals that he has played in and he is a very good scum player. He is usually one of the last scum members to go down and he makes plays that buy him just enough time to see other people hang before he does. I don't know about his town game since I don't really pay attention to that but if he is scum he is likely hatching some plan or something.
I want to say Hoopla is town but I could totally see Hoopla-scum buddying me hard in order to get me on her side since I am loud, a distraction, and easily manipulated if people call me town. Not to mention if she is scum, well she is basically tying me up with cinder blocks around my ankles for when she goes. I could see this all being an elaborate ploy. However, she does share a lot of the opinions I have. She thinks at a higher level and tries to play a step ahead so it is hard to really deduce what she is doing at anyone time. I don't think she should be wagoned but I think she should be watched.-
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Mastin, I don't know really know. Gut says scum because of her really bad response to my question about my meta and the fact that I believe she is trying to pull something regarding that. More to come after she returns from the weekend I guess.
I think Helium-3 could be scum but I am not sure. Their attack on Hoopla was entirely retaliatory, a fact that they continue to not address. While yes, they are correct that they attacked SAD and Not_Mafia they also attacked A LOT of people early in the game. Mollie even said she commented on SAD just so she could have "end game proof she was right". If they are going to attack people on that basis it really undermines their credibility when a) they say they caught someone, and b) they say they attacked them first. The fact that Mollie put SAD as null and then Helium put him as scum after he made his comment against them to me says they are being retaliatory. I didn't want to full out say "I don't think Helium-3 is town" because SHOCKER I predicted that Helium-3 go rabid on me. It is also why I don't want to vote them at this moment and clog up the thread even more. Helium-3 thinks they understand how I play but they really do not.-
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Reading through Perpetual Nonsense's iso, this post pings me hard. I don't like the useless question at the end and this kind of epitomizes the noninvolved interaction this hydra has with the game. I feel like they are coasting on perceived towniness because of their claim. I don't trust the miller claim because it seems really out of place in a setup designed around speed. I don't think I have seen a miller in any other Zach games either.In post 681, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:Wow, the pace of this game...
I skipped over mastin's wall in 644 btw. You're welcome!
why are people bringing up multiball?!???In post 674, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:If you're referring to my apparent knowledge of the game being multi-ball I'm assuming in case it was, they're likely scum together.
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Some people I haven't really interacted with SleepyKrew, SaintKerrigan, Jason, etc. I think Jason is town based on how he handled himself earlier in the day and trying to figure out the setup, although his play seemed to focus on that a a little too much for my liking. SaintKerrigan just looked awkward from what I remember. Sleepy is more or less town based on the fluidity of his posts and tone.-
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Town:
Feu et Vol
Sugoku Sugoi
Imperium
Juls
SleepyKrew
Hoopla
Desperado
Jason
Speedy Saki
Nobody Special
SAD
Nero
Slandaar
Slice of Life
Helium-3
Perpetual Nonsense
SaintKerrigan
Not_Mafia
The bolded are a definite town bloc that I feel very comfortable trusting. That should be where the townbloc begins if one is ever going to form.
pedit:
That was all anti?
Well, I'll addhimto the list then.
By the way, Zach has never run a game with Miller in it, so... Yeah.-
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I thought it was both of you posting in tandem.In post 890, helium-3 wrote:i even hydra slipped in the middle of it.... ._.-
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I have that much influence on you despite being mostly a pariah this game?In post 989, Speedy Saki wrote:VOTE: not_mafia
because pieguy and oversoul
eta: suck it SK
psa:jason t is pretty scummy-
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This is like prototypical awkward scum vote.In post 973, SaintKerrigan wrote:Vote: Speedy SakiGet your godsdamned act together or else I'll make sure you don't see lylo.
@ SAD I'm still working on assembling that. I've finished catching up on the posts, at least.-
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Welcome Shos. Kinda happy about this since I won't have to deal with another tunnel brain.In post 942, Zachrulez wrote:Shos replaces Nero Cain. (He didn't quite reach 12 hours on the prod timer, but it's been almost 48 hours since his last post.)-
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Do we really only have Pikmin Mafia and Oxymoron Mafia? Come to think of it, not counting your alts, I think we really only have like 2 games were we actually played against each other.In post 927, Slice of Life wrote:I did?
I legitimately have absolutely no clue what you're saying is common; you being scum and me being town is the only thing I can remember.
Hmmmm-
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