Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[pirate mollie]

hey guys

wats going on

I didn't find a hydra partner in time so I am solo

can some1 give me the tldr version of wat this game is about cos I am already confused.

I am tired of being confused in gamz.

[pirate mollie]

is that you star

[pirate mollie]

also heyoo ap are you claiming a cop guilty on perv cos that will be the only reason I vote him

[pirate mollie]

STAR I AM TALKING TO YOU

[pirate mollie]

why were you taking a shower in the middle of the day

thinking big bird is town but I also think he is lying cos of set up which I didn't read at all.

[pirate mollie]

that was to star

[pirate mollie]

you are making me uncomfortable

[pirate mollie]

also that is marquis in case any1 is confused

[pirate mollie]

MAJIFFY I NEED YOU TO SCREAM TOWN LOUD AND CLEAR

eta xposts

wtf is titus going on about

eta2: STAHP NINJAING ME

[pirate mollie]

@ titus

in what game were we scum together and I was confused about?

ap you are making me nervous.

[pirate mollie]

ninjaed to death

but there are rewards

VOTE: titus

[pirate mollie]

Oh D, before I forget... the so called daycop has placed his vote elsewhere. You may ignore the daycop. In fact you should FMPOV.


@mollie, Book of Shadows. Desp and I wound up bussing you day 1. Mastin replaced my slot later that game, so I know he's pretty familiar with my scumgame and should be able to come up with more than ooh you're defending my townread. He's flailing.

mastina hasn't even posted yet I don't think.

so how is he flailing?

eta: I am not reading the ninjas until after

eta2: GODDAMMIT

eta3: STAHP IT

[pirate mollie]

ap is town guyz

[pirate mollie]

so is majiffy!

[pirate mollie]

I hate posts like that.

like literally HATE them.

I make posts like that all of the time and am continuously disappointed with myself when I make them. it makes the whole game a drag.

you are not a newb. at least I am guessing you are not.

eta: wat did wicked post I didn't even read it lol

[pirate mollie]

if I have it right duo things might be town.

also the earlier post was to snork.

eta: xpost

[pirate mollie]

I am only going to log into this account for specific times.

mastina I want to do that thing that actually occurs without effort on either of our parts.

[pirate mollie]

I am still logged in and waiting for mastina.

I also want burger

[pirate mollie]

*a burger

[pirate mollie]

you wound me mastina

[pirate mollie]

mastina whats up?

I never ever usually want to lynch you (except for the 1 time when I KNEW you were freaking scum) and I know to some degree you might possibly bank on this but you are simply not there. I can't feel you at all

[pirate mollie]

(Basic preview of articles:
Casual play is more productive and fun and healthy.
Investing heart into it not only reduces fun, but also accuracy.)

I am not sure about the accuracy part.

but I can't really give a good argument either way

[pirate mollie]

Still don't remember what made AP town before, but feelin' it anyway all the same.

where did you lose your way to read ap?

he reads town to me.

and I say this knowing he will get stupidly retarded about me later in the game and I might feel differently.

he seems town

[pirate mollie]

I hope you don't expect me to actually take your self meta and apply it...

Also also this is the same "I'm admitting I'm being lazy so it's ok and you shouldn't lynch me" kind of attitude from NY 172. Where you were scum. So...

p-edit: stuff and things.

don't you have a hydra you are supposed to be posting in?

I say this with irony

[pirate mollie]

I can't tell if you are just fucking with my head

[pirate mollie]

I don't even remember what my reads were in this game or why i was voting titus.

UNVOTE:

until I do a reread which will probs be tomorrow.

[pirate mollie]

mastina have we interacted

at all

this game cos I donnae remembah

[pirate mollie]

do you remember what we talked about cos I don't lol

[pirate mollie]

also you are tied for the lynch lead

I don't think i like that.

I am unsure about majiffy we just finished a game at mr where we retardedly tried to 1v1 each other but hey I caught scummy nostrum out of it so no big loss!

what I am saying is that unless he does something SUPERDUPER town I tend to scumread him. on my spreadsheet I have him as town tho I just can't remember why.

there are a lot of players that I am unfamiliar with and I think that is why i am having a hard time orienting myself in the game.

[pirate mollie]

Are you an ENTP by chance?

I'm an INTP!

me too!

mastina is town btw.

I think ap is too altho him being subdued is kind of strange but I think I might understand it. I think.

unglue yourself from mastina for 5 minutes and tell me who you think is scum.

I still haven't reread nor am I likely to anytime soon. but I WILL do so I promise.

[pirate mollie]

unglue yourself from mastina for 5 minutes and tell me who you think is scum.

I don't remember much of the game and I don't see myself unclamping from Mastin until I can be confirmed to know Mastin's alignment.

I am telling you to UNCLAMP RIGHT NOW.

this isn't cagey try-to-throw-a-buncha-meta/wifom-mastina this is town mastina attempting to roll wif da punches. stahp information lynching it doesn't always work out like you plan and you know this and start scumhunting.

when I reread I am going to look at the outliers.

also in case you haven't noticed I am treating you as town for *reasons* that have nothing but everything to do with mafia.

[pirate mollie]

and I am telling you that mastina can do this as TOWN. the only reason she unstuck from me in pikman was cos she realised scum were nking all of my defenders.

none of us are perfect and most of us are only mediocurely good.

like srsly what other reads do you have. can we talk about those.

WHERE IS BERT

[pirate mollie]

sooooo...I think I might not be liking lying cat.

discuss

[pirate mollie]

Hi mollie I love how mollie is in this game


The M-M-M trio

Mastin mollie majiffy


The fourth M

Metal sonic

was there a point to this post?

hey I hear fluffy is a scumtell of yours would you like to talk about that? cos I sure would.

like you were fluffy in xeno2

[pirate mollie]

ok friends metal sonic is going to give reads in order of towniness -> scumminess:

Town

vezokpiraka
mastin2
wickeddestjr
majiffy
Guilty Gunsmith
Perpetual Nonsense
ZZZX

Null

mollie
beastcharizard
PeregrineV
Titus
Lying Cat
Doduo
BipolarChemist

Scum

MTD

Should be replaced but havent:

zabriel

@mod please replace zabriel i dont remember him at all

where is messiah in your reads list?

and why do you have perp as a town read cos I am strongly leaning unsure, they never got back with their composed reads list and I am leaning kind of scummy on them cos they are actively lurking and I don't like that.

[pirate mollie]

is that really all you have to say, notty

- Saki

I think that was marquis and I liked his posting

[pirate mollie]

I don't find the one head that's active lurking in the perp hydra scummy for doing that
the other head is just plain v/la or something

they're not my strongest townread and my read on them might change very soon but I'm leaning town on them atm

- Saki

it is bert and that gaiden thing

which head is v/la

and why the fuck are we a null read.

[pirate mollie]

@ mod: I am permanent v/la on weekends tia.

[pirate mollie]

now I remember why I was voting titus

VOTE: titus

[pirate mollie]

I am thinking Majiffy

Saki

Vezok...GS as the scumteam.

any1 wanna make a bet that if titus flips scum saki things are a likely partner

[pirate mollie]

(i do what i want was a reference to your attitude as town as well)

(zzzx is also towny because you are very scummy)

(this is looking more and more like your ny 166 mafia play)

oh hey marquis, how's your creepy hair doll collecting going?

[pirate mollie]

sorry, I couldn't resist

I have been trying to figure out a way to work belly button lint for awhile

[pirate mollie]

marquis can you pretty sweet plz ask notty to join us? tell him mollie is asking

[pirate mollie]

hi bert!

[pirate mollie]

OK, caught up. This hopefully means I will remain so.

Not willing to lynch today:

Majiffy
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)

Willing to lynch today:

Bipolarchemist
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
ZZZX
mastin2
MTD
pirate mollie
Bulbazak zabriel
Wickedestjr
beastcharizard

why are you willing to lynch me perv

you haven't even interacted with me. nor are you raging going "mollie must be scum!" like you did in desp's ny game.

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ

I have both mastina and majiffy as town.

those gun things too and if this game is fucked up because you 2 can't work together I am gonna be pissed.

majiffy you are doing the same thing to mastina as you did to me in the last completed mr game. snap out of it.

titus I have you as scum cos I think your angles are srly warped. they come more from a scum mindset than a town 1. they seem kind of agenda ladden and you seem to be missing obvious cues. I know you can send a strong town flare when you want to so do it if you are town.

ugh. I told myself after that retarded d1 lynch on star in the ny game that I would back off of him and give him some space but I am just not getting the warm fuzzies from them.

the light banter that they are trying to engage with me feels like a bit of a reach out mebbe? it just looks very relaxed. but they are ticking my scumdar like crazy and I need to think.

[pirate mollie]

I'm back in town and catching up. I expected more than ten pages; you must all be punished.

is this star

perfect timing!

I am not sure I am going to have an easy time sorting you so give me something to munch on

[pirate mollie]

Mollie is scum. There's absolutely no scum hunting going on. At all. Just talking at people and not making any waves. And playing peacemaker with jiffy/mastin. ISO is so empty.

- Snork

I was wondering where ap's paranoia was coming from cos I thought that mebbe we were finally meeting in the middle prior. I am just going to go with that it is you.

you are wrong about me. and it makes your slot slide down a few notches since ap knows what my scum game actually looks like but I can see him listening to a hydra partner who doesn't know how to read me.

I think your suspicion has come out of nowhere and fuck yeah I am going to mediate between majiffy and mastina. I have hydras with both of them and can usually spot their town game and I would go so far to say mastina's scum game. majiffy and I can latch on to each other as town and even do a 1v1 but I feel good about his play here and I am wondering how so many people are missing it.

I am playing solo so I don't have any1 else to bounce ideas off of, so you get just me. I am trying to work off of other people's reads and right now I am trying to find town so that I have a solid basis to work from, that is how I play.

if you don't believe me look it up.

I am not confrontational in every game despite the reputation. sometimes I am downright polite. I am not sure if you have read my games or not, but your lack of a vote with a hard scum read looks skeevy as fuck and that makes me sad cos a town majiffy/mastina/ap and me would have been a solid town win. I think things like this in mafia games but it never seems to turn out that way and I am not sure what that means.

carry on with your retarded suspicion of me I srsly don't give a fuck. majiffy is town, I have more experience with him than any other player on this site except mebbe nacho and the peeps I have met IRL and played f2f mafia with.

which brings me to ap.

srsly? you do this all of the time and if YOU are the 1 feeding snork's whatever the hell he is snorkling about I am not going to be a happy camper.

I also edited out all of the expletives I wanted to hurl at you just saying.

I am waiting for star's lengthy in-depth post that he better deliver and that is all.

md readily agreed with me and that is something new I have had to recently deal with on this site; vezo did it in playing cards and it obscured that read a bit altho I felt he might have been town at the time (he was!). I can't tell if it is scum cosying up or if it is genuine I lean md as mebbe town for it.

where the fuck did wicked go

why does it feel like only about 5 players are playing the game.

[pirate mollie]

Jiffy/mastin - objective read on mollie?

- Snork

Town until the end of days.

Is there a reason we haven't lynched me yet? I have claimed VT, my flip provides a massive amount of info, and there is way too much paranoia going on regarding other slots over my alignment. Flip me and move the fuck on.

Everyone should either vote me in their next post or explain explicitly why they are choosing not to, because it is inherently anti-town not to and an unreasoned lack of a vote will be taken as an immediate scumclaim.

I will lynch you.

but it better be worth it as in don't you dare leave me in a game with a bunch of dummies who don't know how to read me.

you tell me what to do.

[pirate mollie]

Vote: Doduo

Don't like Titus wagon and developing a day1 fondesss for Lying Cat.

hhhmmm

[pirate mollie]

does any1 else see this too

you're a dummy. the first post is AP to ZZZX who he was having an on-going conversation with - one I wasn't paying attention to because I don't care. The second is mine.

AP thinks ZZZX is scum. I thought he was scum last time I ISO'd him and that was many pages ago before I stopped reading this game. At the moment, I, Snork, do not know what to think of ZZZX and I am ignoring him for the moment because I don't know where to start. I also want to finish the ISOs and my catch up because I feel like AP has become wiggly paranoid waffleman in my absence.

Majiffy stop that nonsense. I don't know what the fuck is going on with you and mastin and I can't read either of you right now.

I'm basically leaving it to AP. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish. Obviously people aren't voting you because this entire song and dance of yours has people hesitating, like me. It almost feels like that was your intention but my personal feeling is that if you were scum you'd go after an easier target. Pushing mastin seems foolish knowing you probably won't get that lynch today. On the other hand, it could be part of a plan to remain vote parked on her. I don't know. And that's why we're not voting you. Because we don't know.

wrt the bold: sounds like you have them both as town.

so why are you confused? cos I am not.

I find it weird that you seemed to think i was scum...for something but it followed after I said that I thought the both were town. and yet you seem to arrive to the same conclusions.

and scummajiffy would go after who he wanted to go after, he works towards his wc regardless. it doesn't really matter how strong of a player they are, if he is town he will go after them cos he thinks he is right and if he is scum he will push hard on town players in order to destroy their credibility. <--- this is ms meta cos he knows he can get away with it.

protip: I srsly don't think majiffy would be shouting from the rooftops that I am town if he were scum. like I srsly don't. he knows most people want to lynch me and I can't argue my way out of a paper hat. /meta

[pirate mollie]

It's just that I noticed that up to now I only did readlists in my scumgames and therefore I always fear people will use it as a tell when really it's mostly because I had more time at certain points in those games.

town. why the fuck would anybody highlight a scumtell that they know that they have.

[pirate mollie]

Read House Party and then give me that line again.

Not happening at least till tomorrow, so can you just tell me what you mean?

Majiffy and Mastin were so in sync and bouncing off of each other immediately. There was no conflict at all that wasn't driven by scum me. If yhey both are town, they wouldn't feel the need for a pissing contest.

This is one of the numerous reasons Mastin is scum and you should lynch one of the two of us today so we can move on.

*le sigh*

why aren't you listening to me when I am trying to tell you that I really think mastina is town?

info lynches are dumb <---- I stand behind this 100% and I have argued with you this before in our hydra.

why do you think mastina is scum cos I think I might can shoot down every point.

[pirate mollie]

Read House Party and then give me that line again.

Not happening at least till tomorrow, so can you just tell me what you mean?

Majiffy and Mastin were so in sync and bouncing off of each other immediately. There was no conflict at all that wasn't driven by scum me. If yhey both are town, they wouldn't feel the need for a pissing contest.

see, posts like this make me feel squiffy about you and make me think I am on the right track. you are basing their interaction after 1 game (at least that is what it seems).

majiffy and mastina will butt heads cos they both like to lead. <--- I freaking KNOW this cos I have butt heads with both of them.

[pirate mollie]

I'm so super sorry, I just don't have the time commitment for a large game guys. I love y'all, I just don't have the time! Spot's a better fit for someone who can keep up!

if bpc just replaced out I don't buy that shit at all

[pirate mollie]

Hi mollie. Its snork. Why the animosity if you just think i'm mistaken?

And we are voting. I'm not voting you because i'm not sure.

P-edit: uh wut? There's no dissonance...???

wat animosity.

ap has a history of reading me correctly as town and then getting super weird.

I am trying to parse where the weirdness it comes from. I am default laying it at your feet cos I would think that ap would have learned by now. no animosity involved, just scumhunting like you so recently accused me of not doing.

[pirate mollie]

Can you provide me a game where they were both town and duked it out like this?

I don't really care if you scumread me. Your opening reminds me a fair amount of BOS. However, you had a post that says you aren't scum unless Majiffy is so I've been trying to avoid getting into a shit fest with you.

you are trying to patternmatch titus and I am telling you that this is wrong thinking if you are town. I am assuming you are talking about mastina and majiffy, yeah?

I am unsure on you like srsly hard unsure to the point I don't mind your lynch. and I kind of want it cos I am not buying what you are selling.

what would majiffy and mastina's dickwaving contest have to do with anything other than a dickwaving contest? <--- that is what it is but it would take knowing them to see it I am starting to think.

your read on gun things tia

[pirate mollie]

mollie if i agree to marry you, will you dance with me

how about a foxtrot, ill bring your uniform

I say

YES

[pirate mollie]

Re jiffy/mastin i go back and forth. Some posts i'm like thats p town and then another isnt. Its hard for me to figure out what the purpose is. I kind of agree with titus that the self lynch thing is meant to elicit emotions and manipulate but i've self voted and begged for my own lynch as town so again i'm confused about the why.

ask him.

so that he can repeat why he is doing it in the first place.

he is frustrated I think. if he is scum I will eat it but right now from where I am standing he isn't scum.

[pirate mollie]

And your post just seemed really hostile mollie and then you said you had to edit out curse words so it was even more hostile before that and i dont know why.

wat post was hostile cos I asked this before and you haven't said what post is hostile but now you are saying that I didn't use expletives even tho I wanted to and somehow that makes me hostile when my expletives that I did not post had something to do with you saying that I was hostile in the first place.

you have a ten minute space to respond cos otherwise I am gonna push your lynch into the nether regions.

[pirate mollie]

hello?

didn't mollie just give me some bullshit fucking deadline and now no one wants to have a goddamn conversation?

yes. lynch first, interact later. oh wait, no, you cant do that because THATS FUCKING STUPID. but what do i know.

I want to have a convo.

did you answer as to why you think I am scum yet

the stuff you posted earlier is null cos ap could have corrected you but he didn't.

sorry

[pirate mollie]

I mean really... PN what interaction have you had with us? None. Same with vez. Why are the conftowns always so fucking horrible. It's like giving a toddler a car.

I've literally been gone for a long ass time and been keeping up with AP in the QT sort of. I come back and try to sort shit and I get fucking hostility and votes WITH NO INTERACTION. NO CONVERSATION. NO BACK AND FORTH. NO ONE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE US OUT AT ALL.

I am talking to you right now. are you done raging?

lets talk since that is what you seem to want to do.

[pirate mollie]

Can you provide me a game where they were both town and duked it out like this?

I don't really care if you scumread me. Your opening reminds me a fair amount of BOS. However, you had a post that says you aren't scum unless Majiffy is so I've been trying to avoid getting into a shit fest with you.

you are trying to patternmatch titus and I am telling you that this is wrong thinking if you are town. I am assuming you are talking about mastina and majiffy, yeah?

I am unsure on you like srsly hard unsure to the point I don't mind your lynch. and I kind of want it cos I am not buying what you are selling.

what would majiffy and mastina's dickwaving contest have to do with anything other than a dickwaving contest? <--- that is what it is but it would take knowing them to see it I am starting to think.

your read on gun things tia

I don't care if you want to lynch me or not. I will scumhunt my way. That includes taking past experiences and applying them to the present. Are they OMG certain? No.

They wouldn't need a dickwaiving contest if they are both town. Period. If someone can provide a sample otherwise, great. Until then, I'm sticking to my beliefs until they are disproven, even if it gets me lynched.

Gunthings read, I'm putting them off ATM to avoid confbias. Gun to my head, scum. What does tia stand for?

Do something if you want a read on me, but saying my reads suck and then shutting down dialogue ain't a method of figuring out my alignment.

look at any of mine majiffy's games where we did not land on the same person.

you could look up ANY of mine thorella's games and you will find a significant dickwaving there even tho I use a prosthetic.

we all have been town at various points.

tia is thanks in advance

I am not shutting you down. I am pretty sure I asked about a read that you seem to be unwilling to give. and it makes me wonder why.

[pirate mollie]

IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE US OR PRETEND TO BE ALL IFFY ABOUT VOTING US YOU BETTER COME UP WITH A GOOD PLACE TO LOOK WHEN WE FLIP.

I want that answer from everyone who thinks we're scum.

mollie i think you're scum because your ISO doesn't look like scumhunting. I said that. jiffy says you have a different method. i'm looking for it. whether i trust him or not i dont fucking know.

and I say you can't read me through isos. what do you think about THAT.

you can read me through direct action tho, which is something you are trying to do.

and I am trying to keep up with the xposts cos suddenly this game is lively while what I wanted was a private convo with you 2.

no I am not a neighboriser, what will be said will be in this game thread.

[pirate mollie]

It's like being denied a job before even interviewing. And it's fucking stupid and I quit. I mean what kind of shitty play is this... I think mollie is scum and yet I still try to get a conversation with her and she might as well have spit in my drink.

p-edit well fuck you too titus

why don't you just vote us then

Because I'm giving you a chance to actually prove you are town. I do feel you fucking slipped but we have similar reads in other places so I'm going to fucking leave you alone for now. I'm not voting you yet. Deal with it.

where did they slip

[pirate mollie]

Antihero did you leak some chemicals into this game? We have two normally rational playerslpts going fuckapalooza

I hate this post.

all it does is contribute to town noise and I don't have a solid read on you.

the thing is I know that the BOTH OF YOU can do this crap as town and I am asking that you show the scumhunting you are both capable of.

like, I have seen you both do it. but you aren't here and that is pretty troublesome. and if you 2 are throwing the game as town you will have no place to hide from my wrath.

[pirate mollie]

I'm willing to give all of my reads. That's a fucking twist. It is a perfectly legitimate read to say that someone appears scum but you're still sorting them. It's also known as weakly leaning scum. Sorry I didn't use the right buzz word.

Oh please, when I ask for a game of Majiffy and Mastin getting into a dickwaving contest as you put it... you refused. Sorry, that is shutting me down. I don't give a shit about Mastin's interactions with you or Majiffy's interactions with you. I see that in House Party. Until I have a more apt example, I'm going to suppose that is their normal behavior with each other. I'm not looking up irrelevant shit.

then why do you think they are scum? (or 1 of them)

cos I don't get it if you have had experience with this

[pirate mollie]

ap and i are talking about it. i can't just not interact with you... why....??

p-edit: that may be true, mollie. it's something i have to find out.

aside from jiffy/mastin/ap, what are your major reads?

p-edit 2: when ap said 4 town 13 scum or something like that, way back when.

well those are my major reads.

I think md thing might be town.

I am nerfy on titus like she seems pretty indignant but I am pretty sure I saw this in street racers so I dunno. she is a read to percolate a bit.

that saki/metal creatures are freaking lynchbait and metal isn't giving me what I need. <--- this ironically is my weakest read even tho I don't know what to do with wicked, charz, etc. the latter has not even been even vocal so it makes things confusing.

[pirate mollie]

I'm willing to give all of my reads. That's a fucking twist. It is a perfectly legitimate read to say that someone appears scum but you're still sorting them. It's also known as weakly leaning scum. Sorry I didn't use the right buzz word.

Oh please, when I ask for a game of Majiffy and Mastin getting into a dickwaving contest as you put it... you refused. Sorry, that is shutting me down. I don't give a shit about Mastin's interactions with you or Majiffy's interactions with you. I see that in House Party. Until I have a more apt example, I'm going to suppose that is their normal behavior with each other. I'm not looking up irrelevant shit.

then why do you think they are scum? (or 1 of them)

cos I don't get it if you have had experience with this

Town Mastin and Majiffy went through a game where they never had this "dickwaving contest", so what's changed where they need one here? They were both town and I had to work extra hard to fuck with them. Here, no one is fucking with them and they are at each other's throats... why? What changed? Players don't change that quick that fast. One of them is most likely scum.

I disagree. you are trying to pattern match and no, that is not a good way to meta people.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I have said this, or something of the like.

IT people can pattern match; it is their job. us scrubs do it in another way; by getting to know the person which is why I give a fucktown of cred on a solid town read that reads another player.

[pirate mollie]

and you aren't even voting us even though you're spouting constant nonsense about how we're scum!

jesus.

who are you talking to here?

[pirate mollie]

hey i read that game! the biggest difference on titus from there to here is the flow of her logic. in that game, there was no cohesive flow. she jumped from one bad point to another trying to make something stick. here she looks like she clutching to things she feels she can use to catch people. liek the"slip". she thinks she found something valid and she's continuously pushing it. she's not changing her story, and that's why i think she's town.

I remember thinking pre-crash that MTD was scummy and we were both pushing that. I can't remember anything from him since then.

Saki... AP is convinced they're scum. I should probably defer to his reads but I have trouble differing between wanting to be right and determining if I actually am. I personally thought they were really town. Lately, not so much.

I also thought beast was scum after his silly little "vote snork" post, but his later posts are much better.

p-edit: 1215 was to saki.

okay, but I don't necessarily equate "clutching at things to try to capture people" as town behaviour. I think scum are more likely to do it in the manner that she did ie; string along a point that really is based on flips in lieu of the game status at the time.

I really don't think I am wrong here. I will take in ap's input tho.

[pirate mollie]

I need to go to bed soon.

gun things I think you both are all over the place and I am really not much better. I am sticking with my reads altho I am unsure on titus but I think her pushes are bad and I don't know what to do with it cos she can sometimes be pretty spot on. I am sticking with my townreads cos I think i do that better.

[pirate mollie]

Hi mollie I am town.

is this saki or metal?

[pirate mollie]

I am actually shocked that snork who has never played with me before thinks I am scum I am simply shocked I tell you.

cat people I was waiting for something wonderful but I feel like you are just repeating the same thing. no new thoughts?

@ duodo things

tell notty I want him in here and I want him NOW. I can usually read him pretty well and his not posting is raising all sorts of alarm bells the only thing that is keeping me off of you marquis is that you are carelessly trolling which is something I associate with your town game.

@ majiffy

I am NOT going to lynch you if this is all some sort of bravado to reinforce your reads especially since I think you are wrong about mastina. if i am to stay in this game then you will have to suffer right along with me. I srsly doubt that we will both alive for long at any rate.

[pirate mollie]

@ mod: I am permanently v/la on weekends plz make a note of this tia

[pirate mollie]

read the thread

[pirate mollie]

I am way behind in this game I will try to catch up tonight when I get off work (I picked 2 extra shifts this week so i am still out of town). sorry guys I only have so much time but I will try to make up for it.

[pirate mollie]

I am here but I lost scope of this game.

like I literally have no idea what my original thoughts were and I am struggling to keep up.

the only person I have chemistry with is majiffy and mastina. I have them both as town but I am somewhat waffling on majiffy.

I have that you and vezo are masons and I think the claim is legit.

[pirate mollie]

scumtitus is a sticky read right now and I am not sure what else to do. can you plz engage me in a way that gets me back in the game.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

until I can get my head back in the game

[pirate mollie]

can you plz engage me in a way that gets me back in the game.

Tell me why I think Bulba's last wall is scummy.

I barely have a pulse on this game and I don't actually think it is.

I can see where he is coming from.

but you are asking me why you think it is scummy? cos you are a paranoid freak and are not letting bulba find his stride.

give it room. and give yourself room for that matter.

whoops

[pirate mollie]

I will get to this game when I can but i am moving this week and I still haven't caught up.

if some1 wants to give a tl;dr version of why the fuck you are lynching mastina that would be great cos I still haven't caught up

[pirate mollie]

I am moved and now unpacking plus working a ton so I still won't be around much.

but,

@ gg

so walk me through your scumread on mastina again? cos I still haven't fully read the game but what I remember from the early game play mastina was pretty town and I wanna now how ap missed it.

[pirate mollie]

Regardless, I still don't see how you're getting Mollie-town when none of the indicators of Mollie-town are present.

do you really think that ap had a scumread on mastina? cos I don't see how he possibly could.

I am waiting to hear from him and if I don't I am ramming this lynch through

[pirate mollie]

no

VOTE: gg

unless they come up with something awsum which I sincerely doubt.

toe in the sand.

[pirate mollie]

I hate this game. I really do.

Mollie is lurking her ass off and not caring when I respond to her request to get her invested. Also her case on me is the laziest bullshit ever. I already fucked up thanks for rubbing it in.
Saki is posting a lot of poorly formatted words that just don't feel like they are trying to accomplish anything and I find it all really circlejerky.
Vezok fucking jaikept me over his mason buddy last night and if it ever comes out that bulba made the N1 kill, Im going to be PISSED.
Lying Cat and PV have done nothing extremely memorable.
--
Majiffy just makes me paranoid. And I hate all the anti-town shit he did on D1. In fact, just today I've started wondering if hes actually just scum.
titus is cleared? I have no idea. Her unabashedness is upsetting me, particularly the parts where she calls me scum for really bad reasons.
ac1983fan? I don't know.
Bulbazak - smug bastard. Possibly WKing me and mastin. Thought of this makes me upset.

I just wish someone would do anything other than continue to circlejerk, myself included. Well my attempts to do that ended in mastin getting mislynched so go me. I'll actually try and rally myself again.

Mollie your vote is really lazy and awful. Be ashamed.

I don't feel ashamed. if you reached out to me I must have missed it. all I have seen from you is snork's tunneling (wrongly) and you lynching mastina despite my fucking solid townread on him. you make noises about lynching me for lulz and somehow this is supposed to get me into the game???

I don't care if you were jked last night it does not mean that you are town just cos a nk went through it just means you didn't perform the nk.

I have already given up on this game there is no fucking cohesion whatsoever and I don't even know where to start in order to make that happen. the only reason I am not replacing out is cos I don't want to put anti through the trouble of finding a replacement.

[pirate mollie]

I don't feel ashamed. if you reached out to me I must have missed it. all I have seen from you is snork's tunneling (wrongly) and you lynching mastina despite my fucking solid townread on him. you make noises about lynching me for lulz and somehow this is supposed to get me into the game???

I have admitted to apathy. I was attempting to break that by pushing mastin, but too little too late. What I am talking about is when I tried to open up an open ended convo about Bulbazak and you basically said "Lol no bulba is town why don't you see it" and that was the end of that. Which, sure, I'll give you is an opinion one can reasonably be expected to have, but it still was annoying and stifling from my perspective.

I don't care if you were jked last night it does not mean that you are town just cos a nk went through it just means you didn't perform the nk.

I never once. Not even once. Not even ONCE. Said it made me town. You are mistaking me for Vezok (dumb) and Bulbazak (scum).

I have already given up on this game there is no fucking cohesion whatsoever and I don't even know where to start in order to make that happen. the only reason I am not replacing out is cos I don't want to put anti through the trouble of finding a replacement.

Hey thats me too kind of. Except I just dont replace out of games ever.
--

Mollie, how would you feel about lynching any of the following people: ZZZX, Saki, Bulbazak, ACFAN, MTD, Cat. Also how sure are you on Majiffy being town? I want to trust what he is claiming but I have reservations.

okay, bulba seemed really town early on and there some pages that I have not read nor am likely to and I like his current suspicion on me. I am not wanting to lynch bulba.

zzzthing is something I cannot even fathom right now. like if I were to compromise on him I could not even feel good about it cos I can't read him. at all.

cat, mebbe. did he disappear after hsi wagon disbanded? cos that is a scumtell of star's I think. unsure but I didn't like his early posting and I am trying to tell you that the wagon on mastina seems very scumdriven.

metal is probs town.

acfan who is he I don't remember him at all.

I am not a fan of mtd but his apathy kind of mirrors my own so I am not wanting to go there.

UNVOTE:

eta: majiffy's dogged self-determination screams town to me he was dead wrong on mastina but it fits with majiffy being dead wrong and thinking he is right. I think he is legit but you said he claimed something where did he do this?

[pirate mollie]

I love how GG doesnt have a case on me and is purely just leading a wagon in hopes that anyone who cant see how I am town follows you

Except you have been talking about my 'case' on you which was that you are intentionally lurking here and being active elsewhere, lol. I wouldn't call that a case, but you have been whining about it like it is one, so for the sake of the post Im quoting...ya ok. Furthermore, if I were trying to get you lynched, you'd know about it. I'd be voting you. I'd be telling people you are scum. Not pestering you about your lack of content. I'm glad you have added content in the form of starting a pointless and hypocritical inquiry into confirmed-town's lack of posting.

Mollie, I'm not really buying this all right now, gonna be honest. I get that you are apathetic. Can we do something to fix that then? Basically I have been thinking for a while that one of you/Bulbazak is scum and thats been a fairly solid stance for a while now (at least in my head). Telling me that I'm scummy for mislynching mastin is really REALLY wrong and then taking it back without any new direction just looks ... weird? TL;DR: If you are town, come on. And the lack of paranoia about Majiffy also makes me . Not that Majiffy is LOLSCUM, but ... really? I don't see how anyone can't be squinting at him a little, ESPECIALLY given that you are so out of touch with the game state that you didn't know he had claimed an inno on Titus in response to her being wagoned.

I am working from earlier reads lists which include majiffy how are you missing this.

bulba is town cos he shld be concerned about me cos yes, I lost focus in this game and let mastina get lynched. I shld have yelled louder.

you continuously do this thing in games where your reads get downright dumb. it makes it hard to parse your alignment from this cos usually you are pretty astute. however you reached out to me, and I don't find that from scum too often unless they are outright buddying me. which you are not doing. so yeah, it moves to a sweet spot of a townread unless you somehow manage to fuck it up.

if majiffy is claiming an inno on titus then let scum sort them out. <--- that is how you treat claims except there are so many dummies running around and fakeclaiming whatever. I say this after wanting to fake a scumread in touhou but we were the cop and an inno on serene pretty much made me want to claim a guilty on danny. every1 ignored our scummuffina read in which we got an actual guilty.

if majiffy is fakeclaiming I would be surprised. he is too arrogant for that sort of shit.

[pirate mollie]

I am here (ON MY FREAKING BDAY NO LESS) so engage with me all you want!

cos I would like that.

[pirate mollie]

<3 ty anti!

I am trying to figure out how to best use my bday powahz

[pirate mollie]

This is a really weak reason to townread him :/. Since when does "someone having one opinion I would expect them to have" translate to "probably town".

cos if he were scum it would be more nonsensical than this. so far his scummeta seems to be to create nothing out of thin air and try to make a thing about it. he isn't doing that. he is calling me out (and rightly so) for my lack of scumhunting. I mean you are calling me out for the same thing.

Ok, fair enough. Rethinking this, it seems unlikely Majiffy would claim an invention he didn't actually get (I think he said it was an invention, maybe he didn't). Its still possible hes scum with Titus and trying to defend her, but I will put it out of my mind for everyone's sake right now. Can you let me know who you want removed Today? I realize that will take time, but like a top 3 or something would be great.

would he do this as scum after doggedly pursuing her on d1 right after he mislynched mastina? cos that is what I remember. it makes sense to investigate your other top scumread and he did.

top 3 would be lc (I need to iso them to see the timing), meeeebbe zzzx, and meeeebbe wicked but that is working from mastina's dead reads from what I remember. I stand by that I think metal is town.

soooo if majiffy is town and titus is town that gives us something to work around I think.

[pirate mollie]

ap where did you go

[pirate mollie]

I try to get close and you move away. :/

okay lets see where this goes

VOTE: marquis

[pirate mollie]

prod dodge

[pirate mollie]

okay we have some time!

@ bulba

did you just say that this game was a low priority for you and that is why there is a distinct lack of aggression from you while voting me for lack of aggression when I have said that this game is a low priority for me due to IRL stuff and I am unsure of my handle on the gamestate?

lol.

I am getting my head BACK into this game even if it kills me.

I have played in both of anti's previous games and scum didn't have fakeclaims they made up their own iirc. lying cat was scum in the second 1.

I shld probs look those games up.

I want to lynch ac now after reading things a bit more thoroughly.

the marquis and beast exchanges are pretty weird.

that wicked thing posted colours in the game and I guess my question is,

wicked: do you like to play town or scum?

I think the Bulbazak wagon is scum led.

But i think bulbazak can take care of himself to diffuse the wagon.

[Majiffy vote]

VOTE: Bulbazak

VOTE: Bulbazak

Unvote. Vote: Bulbazak

Which one(s) are scum? How are they leading the wagon? Please answer these questions.

Immediately.

did you compare this to metal's scumreads? as far as I can tell saki has siteflaked if that is saki I will eat my hat.

I have them as scum in my notes but that was early d1 and it was cos of fluffposting and I was trying to figure out if that was a scumtell of metal's or not. he gambits all of the time but he hasn't done that this game? if he did I missed it.

and I am telling you that that slot is impossible to read unless he orients himself in a certain way and since I have a hydra with metal and we got lynched d1 that you might be wrong here.

I am liking lying cat now.

unless titus is a godfather than I am believing the investigation and I am leaving her alone especially after meeting her IRL.

I think ap is town. like very town.

who am I missing

[pirate mollie]

I am confused as to why you think it is good play? what was good about it?

majiffy you never got to me about what I said about metal. could you plz do so tia

[pirate mollie]

okay we have some time!

@ bulba

did you just say that this game was a low priority for you and that is why there is a distinct lack of aggression from you while voting me for lack of aggression when I have said that this game is a low priority for me due to IRL stuff and I am unsure of my handle on the gamestate?

lol.

I am getting my head BACK into this game even if it kills me.

I have played in both of anti's previous games and scum didn't have fakeclaims they made up their own iirc. lying cat was scum in the second 1.

I shld probs look those games up.

I want to lynch ac now after reading things a bit more thoroughly.

the marquis and beast exchanges are pretty weird.

that wicked thing posted colours in the game and I guess my question is,

wicked: do you like to play town or scum?

I think the Bulbazak wagon is scum led.

But i think bulbazak can take care of himself to diffuse the wagon.

[Majiffy vote]

VOTE: Bulbazak

VOTE: Bulbazak

Unvote. Vote: Bulbazak

Which one(s) are scum? How are they leading the wagon? Please answer these questions.

Immediately.

did you compare this to metal's scumreads? as far as I can tell saki has siteflaked if that is saki I will eat my hat.

I have them as scum in my notes but that was early d1 and it was cos of fluffposting and I was trying to figure out if that was a scumtell of metal's or not. he gambits all of the time but he hasn't done that this game? if he did I missed it.

and I am telling you that that slot is impossible to read unless he orients himself in a certain way and since I have a hydra with metal and we got lynched d1 that you might be wrong here.

I am liking lying cat now.

unless titus is a godfather than I am believing the investigation and I am leaving her alone especially after meeting her IRL.

I think ap is town. like very town.

who am I missing

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler:

Majiffy help me lynch MTD and I will help you lynch Bulbazak tomorrow then regardless of flip. Or if you want someone else by then I'll give you extra consideration. Also, dude, I don't get the blind mollie read. I mean nothing shes done really looks town to me like at all, D1 included.

~Bird Man

do you wanna explain why I do not look town?

cos you are not and I don't know what to tell you except that I'm town.

my activity level has decreased cos I work full time now. this is site wide.

I think majiffy an inventor's gift. <--- that would be my assumption.

I am not sure why any1 felt the need to spell it out I mean I am leaving titus alone for that and majiffy would not fake a sure fire town read on that. <---- this shld be obvs.

I think metal's meltdown looks genuine. I know you don't like that majiffy but it does. I am not willing to lynch them today. if he is scum then he is being skeevy about it and there will be words in postgame but I really don't think that is what is going on here. I have a hydra with metal and his rolefishing (which he shld stop right now) is very similar to what he did in our game together. we were lynched d1 and we were vt I think.

I would also like zzx to answer my questions!

also

@ mod will be v/la tomorrow till the 6th or 7th. nacho is coming down!

[pirate mollie]

@ jingle

how many games have you played with metal?

he does this shit all of the time. I really can't explain why but it is a meta read.

I really wish you people would BACK OFF

[pirate mollie]

I really wish you people would BACK OFF

:\ Back off of...you? Ok, I don't think anyone is voting you or really discussing you all that much except maybe me and bulbazak. Saki? Ok I guess, I don't quite get why people think they are obvscum at this point either.

I just don't have any posts of yours that I can read and think "oh ya Mollie is probably town" is what I'm getting at here. No passion, nothing really outstanding. I get that you are on perma-V/LA or something like that, but still. You are simultaneously using that as a defense and asking me why you don't look town. Which really feels to me like you know that you don't look town. I'll give a better answer in a bit.

While you are here though, thoughts on the MTD wagon and just MTD in general?

I am trying to change my playstyle. snork is the only 1 who got me riled up enough that I could have srsly gotten pissed off which I did but I feel differently about you guyz in this round.

yes I am talking about metal.

I just don't feel a strong connection in this game. I wanted to hydra but the game started before I could /in as a hydra. and I am not permanently on v/la quit putting words in my mouth. what I have been trying to tell you is that my activity will not look like it used to be so if that is how you are going to meta me I am telling you to throw it out the window.

I know you get weird sometimes in games. and I read you as scum every single time when you do especially when you start to get suspicious of me. I am trying NOT to this game cos I think I have enough figured out to put you as town. even tho your mastina push was awful and it made wonder if I was srsly misreading mastina for a minute but majiffy hardcore supported it and then there was tales. <--- it is hard to shake those early reads.

I m not in love with your idea that mtd is scum but I have him as /hardtoread. I had him in my earlier notes as town but his recent posting is meh.

@ zzx

I am getting to you give me a minute with ap

@ at every1

I get consistent feedback that my play is "negative" even when I haven't insulted anybody. sometimes it seems like the insults are made up especially when I ask "how is this insulting" like I did in wicked and nobody responds. sometimes it feels like there is this whole, "this player does not like you so I won't either and will take offence to anything you say to me" thing been going on. I can't learn where there is no discussion.

but there HAVE been players where we had some srsly heated moments and we have had discussion and things worked out. like I did a srs hard reset of my play after pikman but I still lose my temper and I am trying to take a step beyond THAT. I expect to get mislynched over it cos that is always what happens with meta shifts and I am not the only 1 who has suffered through it.

also I do not know what to do with when I scumhunt people they consistently meltdown.

this is what I am looking for usually.

like I ask a question and people meltdown. and I always feel like they are outplaying me at 2am and I wanna vote them for it but that isn't working for me.

[pirate mollie]

PV, don't you think you are kind of self-defeating here by being overly explicit about what you want? I just read up, I'm alive. Just tired as all get out right now and stressed so gimme some time.

You would think.
But scum off the wagons need to get on the wagon, and make up their reason why.
Town off the wagons need to go through their reads and figure out who they think is scummier/has a better chance of hitting scum.

Unless someone wants to call a scumteam of

Wicked, MTD, Pirate Mollie, Lying Cat, and ZZZX

, or confirm them all town, we will be getting some info.

If the wagons stay close, for whatever reason, then when people switch they should be able to articulate why.

So you 5 need to start voting, and explain why you choose bachelor #1 or bachelor #2.

Anyone else want to move just state a clearly understandable reason why.

I feel MTD is null-ish as a read as I cant read him at all and I town read saki. What to do?

For SS he is basiicaly Metal Sonic. And He is pretty active and is actuallying playing reckless. He tried a few gambles and noone of them felt forced. At first I felt his playstyle was off but after looking closer it was town sonic trying to be more aweasom.

Walk us through the thought processes that trigger your reads towards town, or scum, or both, or not at all.

Show us what you think and how you think as you think it.

For MTD I really dont know. I try reading his posts over and over again and no allignment flashes in my head. While that IS generally good play it really disallows me to seriosly identify his real allignment.



Fixed post...

I thought I asked you as to what made his posts good but I don't see it in my iso

[pirate mollie]

I thought I did

consider this asking now

[pirate mollie]

I m not in love with your idea that mtd is scum but I have him as /hardtoread. I had him in my earlier notes as town but his recent posting is meh.

I figured you'd actually have some interest in looking at whether or not you would vote MTD considering:
[x] deadline is coming up soon.
[x] you don't want to lynch Saki (and MTD is kind of the CW to that).
[x] no one is helping you lynch Marquis and you aren't really making any effort to get people to help.

You can call your less amount of access whatever the hell you want. YOU brought it up unprompted in response to me saying you haven't done anything that looks town. I don't care. What I do care about is that I don't really have a townread on you. When I state that, you throw up some excuse about activity and then argue with me over the nature of your limited activity. Rather than do protown things like figure out a good compromise vote or making a case for your vanity wagon.

What am I missing here?

what vanity wagon?

I sheeped you onto marquis...isn't that where my vote still is?

I haven't decided where to move my vote and you seem to want the day round to hurry up and end?

why the fuck is that

you are misreeping me and I don't like it

[pirate mollie]

I thought I did

consider this asking now

this was to zzx btw

[pirate mollie]

I was sheeping perv!

[pirate mollie]

I sheeped you onto marquis...isn't that where my vote still is?

In fact, you are the only person to vote Marquis today.

Further, I don't think I've called Marquis scummy even once all game.

What the actual fuck is going on, Mollie.

what is going on is that I confused you with some1 else.

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ I am going to go smoke

[pirate mollie]

I am back!


for a bit

[pirate mollie]

i'm sinking slow! ly! so hurry hold! me!

you hand is all! i have! to keep me hanging on!

please can you tell me

so i can finally! see!

where you

go

when you're

gone

I am holding your hand

as we speak

your latest posts

seem to come from a town mindset

hold it hold it

it may take time

[pirate mollie]

I am pretty sure that is a claim.

what I don't get is why you are freaking blatantly using a bullhorn to point it out instead of looking elsewhere for right now.

you have lost town points my friend.

and fuck that

VOTE: lying thing

it could be perfectly conceivable that some1 gave majiffy a cop view and he viewed his scummate. I disagree with that.

I am telling you that it makes sense for majiffy to view his top scumread.

especially 1 we are both focused on. titus is town. I don't like how all of this has come about.

if I am misreading majiffy then...I don't know what to say. I don't get strong townvibes from him very often. but when I do I tend to listen and try not to be obvious about it.

star I feel like you shld know this about our meta and you seem not to. it makes you look scummy in my eyes.

[pirate mollie]

I had the Track; Majiffy went nowhere. Was wondering if I could catch him lying about inventions, but yeh.

why did you track majiffy and not zzx thing if you had him as a stronger scumread?

like this does not make sense

[pirate mollie]

Not been 24 hours yet so I'll be patient.

Going to have to look back over yesterday. Pretty sure my wagon/counterwagon thing between MTD/Saki didn't work as planned, but need to read closely.

okay this might get me back into the game.

perv is town.

standing by townap/snorkella, majiffy and yes saki.

[pirate mollie]

AHAHAHA

ANTI'S DRUNK POSTS ARE AWSUM!!!

perv can you plz get back into the game I have a townread on you. what is your townlist looking like at this point cos I want to do a reads comparison.

I still think majiffy is town but I know how he gets when he gets stubborn and if it were anybody else other than metal I would say he has good reasons but it is metal so it going to be impossible to work with him.

[pirate mollie]

also majiffy have you played with wicked?

talk to me about him

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie

- It's PoE time (kind of) for me. In no particular order-

Town

me
Bulba
Vezok

Town enough

ac1983fan
Majiffy
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Wikced

I would move majiffy and gg up, wicked I am thinking down cos he is reminding of muffina but I don't know him at all and I am unsure about ac.

Not scumreading

Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)

talk to me about this 1. star sneaks past me as scum EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. I wanna say town but I swear to god whenever he is scum I am like his first townread and since I was off about titus I am trying to reset here.

Null (or People I Learned to Love and Will Willingly Lynch, American Style)

Marquis Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
ZZZX
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)

pirate mollie *

beastcharizard

also metal is lynchbait and every1 knows this. it is why i have no plans on lynching him. ever. majiffy is making arguments which apply to any1 but metal. I haven't played against scummetal before but if he could do a "<3 mollie" as scum and not fear for his eternal soul then I just don't know what to do.

it is a tell that probs nobody else will understand. but he isn't afraid to get close to me and with the current evolution in his game developement I would be shocked if he would be that comfortable as scum against town me. I think you shld take this into consideration since you know that I am pretty good at reading my hydra partners and metal and I have a hydra even tho we only used it once. but we spent a lot of time talking together and I think I get a bit how his mind works.

has notty even posted in this game? scumnotty avoids me like the plague and I am going to say I can't read marquis worth shit. I am going to look at the exchanges between beast and marquis when I am not feeling so tired and lazy cos I think those 2 shld be able to read other.

I have zero opinion on zzthing.

my unshakeable town reads are majiffy, metal, ap (that reach out looked genuine as fuck) and you for now seeing this goes cos I don't think that I have ever really reached out to you before so we have never actually worked together and I am trying something new. I

think

I might have a grasp of your towngame now.

[pirate mollie]

also majiffy have you played with wicked?

talk to me about him

Nothing memorable if at all.

Re anti, yeah they're hilarious.

what do you think of his play this game?

I am getting the too townie to be town vibe (plus his vote on me is opportunistic as fuck after I have said I don't feel plugged into the game) which is how I can nail muffina now. wicked and muffina are not from the same experience group but I am pretty sure muffina learned it from somewhere and it seems like wicked is from that experience group.

[pirate mollie]

also majiffy have you played with wicked?

talk to me about him

Nothing memorable if at all.

Re anti, yeah they're hilarious.

what do you think of his play this game?

I am getting the too townie to be town vibe (plus his vote on me is opportunistic as fuck after I have said I don't feel plugged into the game) which is how I can nail muffina now. wicked and muffina are not from the same experience group but I am pretty sure muffina learned it from somewhere and it seems like wicked is from that experience group.

plz respond

[pirate mollie]

Prod dodge? I'm in seattle so I'll be around just limited access.

can you plz just work with me

can you explain wicked to me

tennis court mafia

[pirate mollie]

plz respond

If I had anything to say about him I would have said it.

you are horribly frustrating and you shld kill yourself

every1 is so sensthitive about this I haven't been able to tell any1 to kill themselves in months but at least I can say to this to you and you won't meltdown or actually kill yourself.

it is the little things that 1 appreciates.

[pirate mollie]

Prod dodge? I'm in seattle so I'll be around just limited access.

Come visit me! I'll be at the store until at least 3am, and its only a four hour drive.

talk to me about this 1. star sneaks past me as scum EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. I wanna say town but I swear to god whenever he is scum I am like his first townread and since I was off about titus I am trying to reset here.

Cause that's totally what happened in desp's last game

Look at my play, look at the playerlist. Realize there is no way I don't get nightkilled. Stop wasting time on this.

Sonic is obviously lynchbait, but how do you tell when he actually rolls scum?

I'm perfectly willing to admit that my reads have been terrible this game. I should have seen the mastin thing, and I didn't. I dunno what was up with mtd. I'm gonna be super pissed if I let you all talk me out of a legitimate wicked scumread. But at this point I just kinda want to play follow the cop and break the game with PRs.

On that note, I think the track-inventor should target vezok today. How does everybody feel about that?

I'll be at work (and therefore sorta around) until probably five tomorrow morning. After that, I'm packing bags and leaving for camp.I'll be gone until next saturday or sunday. I'm leaving it up to Jingle whether he needs to do any v/la, but you guys are stuck with him for a while.

-sthar

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WTF IS THIS SHIT

I am not even very plugged into the game but even I know that it would be a waste he is like conftown.

VOTE: cat creatures

to not vote those cat creatures is to passively watch a kitten die and every single 1 of you will be guilty of depraved indifference fucking lynch obvscum already

[pirate mollie]

also star we were both town in desp's game I just mislynched you but I like how you insinuate that I caught you as scum

[pirate mollie]

fucking cat creatures are scum. this is the first time I actually feel good about something this game

[pirate mollie]

I'm gonna be super pissed if I let you all talk me out of a legitimate wicked scumread.

if star flips scum i guaranfuckingte that wicked is a scummate

eta: hi etl! plz vote star

[pirate mollie]

ETL who did you replace?

[pirate mollie]

she isn't listed as a replacement

@ mod - what is going on?

[pirate mollie]

no one.

you are not in the playerlist

[pirate mollie]

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

are you a co-mod?

[pirate mollie]

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

are you a co-mod?

obviously not

who is your alt?

[pirate mollie]

is that your alt? why the fuck were you pretending to be snorkella or whatever?

I know you are not ap cos I have met him and I have heard you

[pirate mollie]

lol

call it a crisis of identity in terms of playstyle. i needed a reset after faith/house party.

then why did you feel the need to out yourself now and in the way that you did?

I don't mind us being in a game together cos we exchanged some pms after too many heads and faith. I thought you were replacing somebody and anti just hadn't mentioned it yet.

[pirate mollie]

I dont remember anything I wanted to do. Metal isn't replying to why they can't be obvious town now.

what is your read on marquis

I was going to reread your exchanges with marquis but etl/gunthings is a higher priority right now

[pirate mollie]

Majiffy is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time? I don't have any other games with him to compare and i haven't had time to look.

-snork

see I didn't think that majiffy looked overexplaining/awkward/rigid at all at the time of this post I had the opposite reaction.

you bring me up as nullscum in post 59 but hadn't done anything to interact with me. why?

you also keep voting for lying cat and when you posted and I thought you replaced in you instead decide to out yourself. why?

like star looks really fucking scummy right now and you are doing nothing about it

[pirate mollie]

(Btw, it's times like this that I sometimes wish I had a neighborhood and/or a hydra partner, 'cause there is one thought I had that would be follow-through that I want to not forget and keep in mind but which I don't really want to clutter the thread with. If I had a QT, I could just dump the thought in there and bring it up at a later time if it proved still relevant, but since I don't, I've got the choice of saying it or not saying it and hoping I remember. This note serves as option C, half of both, which means half the ups of both and ~75% of the downs of both. )

AP and mastin's Neighborhood QT

Mastin keep calm and carry on. We can worry about Majiffy later. Less petty squabbles that cause dramatics and more focusing on the objective of lynching scum. <3
~AP

you guyz made this post but you were wanting to lynch any1 who said they were in a neighbourhood earlier.

I chalked it up to ap trolling which kind of made me think scum but his reach out and then he did something scummy (or mebbe it was you) on d2 but I don't remember what it was. then he reached out

even harder

and I had you guyz as town. like I am even trying to talk perv into hard townreading you cos I know that ap will draw a ton of fire cos he is ap and he does that.

I think you were scumreading me at this point so what is your read on me now?

like I want some dialogue here and I am not going to be placated with dumb responses

eta: xpost reading it now

[pirate mollie]

Majiffy is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time? I don't have any other games with him to compare and i haven't had time to look.

-snork

see I didn't think that majiffy looked overexplaining/awkward/rigid at all at the time of this post I had the opposite reaction.

That wasn't about majiffy. I was asking him about ... I think vezok? I can't remember. I think it was vezok. Jiffy indicated he'd had experience with him, so I wanted to get his impression of the style and whether he thought it was alignment-indicative or just general posting style.

you bring me up as nullscum in post 59 but hadn't done anything to interact with me. why?

At the time, based on what was in the iso. I just didn't feel the fire. I kinda expected you to prod around until something caught you and then push it, but you didn't really push anything too hard, so it made me nervous about you. For the most part, I left the read to AP since I trust him to read you more accurately than I can.

you also keep voting for lying cat and when you posted and I thought you replaced in you instead decide to out yourself. why?

like star looks really fucking scummy right now and you are doing nothing about it

I don't quite understand this part. Are you relating the two things - voting LC and me outing? They aren't really directly related, though I did feel it was inappropriate for me to post as ETL about game-related things when you didn't know who I was. I thought it was rather unfair, so I switched over.

And yeah I dunno. I haven't read the last 60 pages so if his level of scummy has changed recently I don’t know what to say about it. I kind of think we'd be dead by now if sthar was actually scum, but I've used the nightkills to catch him before and I also know that sthar has been pretty MIA from the site for the last few weeks. I am happy lynching him because I refuse to be duped by him again. On my re-read, I got to about page 30 and then got busy with work again. however, the interaction between LC/wicked early on seemed really important, and if there's scum there it has to be only one of them. I'm heavily leaning towards LC on it, cuz I really like wicked and I get this feeling like scum are picking on him.

1. okay. how is you saying that majiffy was being awkward/stiff/bleah not about majiffy exactly? are you saying you were doing that in order to put pressure on majiffy but you were seekritly addressing vezok? I still have to read up to your conclusion of that. but we know vezok is conftown and yet you are ignoring that star wants to track vezok.

like this is a pretty big thing

. unless pn decided to clear vezok cos of *reasons* which I don't think bert would do vezok is conftown.

2. I thought we had some exchanges which I am still looking for. cos you were pretty insistent that I was scum and at this point I am not sure you were leaving me alone to ap. I would have to be reading things in context as in how the thread was navigated at the time.

3. you look like you are trying to mirror what I said about star earlier. I don't want to be pwned by him either but the timing of your outing looks like you are trying to cover for him. I mean like where is your vote cos I don't remember.

and you say this while tying wicked/lc together so yes I think your timing of your outing yourself is relational and I am pretty sure I am not crazy.

[pirate mollie]

Is anyone else getting a scummy vibe from mollie?

For awhile now.

On that note, I think the track-inventor should target vezok today. How does everybody feel about that?

I don't think it's a good idea to give the only investigative ability to a player with a target on his back during the night. Although, maybe if he was doc'd...

the only reason I am town reading you is cos I think your suspicion on me makes sense. I haven't been ramped all game and that isn't normal for me but I haven't had anything to cling to other than my dumb titus read which I still say she was playing for scum but titus.

what I don't like now is this sticky reinforcement after I am finally

engaged

. cos your motivation doesn't look like you are trying to sort me out at this point.

engage

[pirate mollie]

if some1 has a cop view can I plz just be viewed so that I can be conftown at this point tia

the meta around me has changed recently and I am being allowed to live longer which sucks cos my early game is awsum even tho I had a freaking heavy start in this game. I was moving and bleah bleah

[pirate mollie]

1. okay. how is you saying that majiffy was being awkward/stiff/bleah not about majiffy exactly? are you saying you were doing that in order to put pressure on majiffy but you were seekritly addressing vezok? I still have to read up to your conclusion of that. but we know vezok is conftown and yet you are ignoring that star wants to track vezok.

like this is a pretty big thing

. unless pn decided to clear vezok cos of *reasons* which I don't think bert would do vezok is conftown.

Majiffy

,

is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time? I don't have any other games with him to compare and i haven't had time to look.

Comma added. This is a dumb conversation.

I don't think it is dumb but I am giving it a break cos I know how etl/mollie interactions occur

get off of your dumb metal lynch he is town can you plz vote that cat creatures

[pirate mollie]

@ mod

can you plz give a vc count tia

[pirate mollie]

I decided on fast 5 and 6. Goodnight all!

Mollie if you wanna keep me company ill be bored on gchat.

[pirate mollie]

Build a counter case that disapproves mine instead of babbling about my idiocy

WHAT CASE YOU FUCKING CORN GOBLIN!

All you've presented were a bunch of naked assertions. I was gonna post quotes from your ISO, but it's so fucking vapid that it made me nauseous thinking about it.

As far as I can tell, this is the totality of your case against me

I am not even very plugged into the game but even I know that it would be a waste he is like conftown.

You've voted me twice over having not read the setup. Cut your shit please.

also star we were both town in desp's game I just mislynched you but I like how you insinuate that I caught you as scum

I insinuated that I sometimes townread you legitimately. You said that when I'm scum I townread you.

I don't think it's a good idea to give the only investigative ability to a player with a target on his back during the night. Although, maybe if he was doc'd...

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you high? Does the cop role impose a post restriction on the target that they're not allowed to read the game anymore? Or do you just have to post like you have brain damage?

Can the conftowns stop being morons for just a minute please?

^scum

I find it glorious that you think that cos that isn't why I am voting you.

[pirate mollie]

if either of marquis or beast are scum I think it clears the other. I was in that game where their hydra was scum and this interaction doesn't feel fake to me. I think it is likely that 1 of them are tho I am just not sure how to read the dynamics.

@ metal

you were in that game too, do you agree with what I just said?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Marquis

Lol. Really, the bystandard effect? There are two people who are voting me at least. This isn't everyone thinking everyone else is going to make a case against me. You are stretching Marquis.

Maybe your mislynch wagon on me isn't picking up because it is horrible.

the bystander effect doesn't apply to making a case on you

this is it:

multiple people have already said that they want to lynch you if your lynch gained steam, yet the bystander effect applies in how they're waiting for other people to wagon you first.

what's so stupid about this whole situation is that your wagon simply isn't building up because the people waiting for your wagon to build up are just watching and not voting.

also, if you weren't scum there would have been at least one large wagon on you, guaranteed. your play is just that naturally scummy, and there are more than enough players here who don't know you well enough to defend you based on meta.

scum are constantly looking for mislynches.

i don't seriously believe scum thought

mastin

would be an easier mislynch than you, and to a lesser extent the perpetual

lying cat

wagon.

so who do you think are the scum sat out the mastina lynch and are sitting out the cat creatures (for the record I still think cat creatures are scum like I am pretty sure of it) "mislynch"?

here is the mastina lynch:

mastin2 - 9 (Lying Cat,

MTD

, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr,

Perpetual Nonsense

, vezokpiraka,

Titus

)

we have 3 town flips and I highly doubt that this was an all town wagon.

this is what cat creatures wagon looks like right now:

Lying Cat - 4 (Bulbazak, ZZZX, vezokpiraka, pirate mollie)

vezo whom is conftown is the only on both so I am not quite sure what you are saying here with your original point

[pirate mollie]

I saw what you are saying mollie.

Time to kill scum marquis.

unvote
vote marquis

Apparently you don't see because that's not even what mollie was saying at all.

Like I'm really fucking pissed that scum wasn't dumb enough to kill you yet with all the mislynches you've been pushing.

I'll respond to more pressing things when I get home.

what exactly do you think that I am saying?

[pirate mollie]

okay so I am tired of waiting around for marquis to respond so here is what I think.

I think star/marquis/wicked is pretty positive with hit notes as a scumteam and this is what I am pushing. there is 1 more and if I wrong then I am going to do a hard reset of my townreads.

but I don't think I am.

marquis/beast exchanges look genuine on beast's part and that is where I am leaning.

star just looks scummy. like where is jingle? he has alternate acts of disappearing which is exactly what he did in reboot.

wicked is a weak scumread but will firm up with a star lynch.

can we lynch star?

I don't think that I am wrong with my metal, majiffy, gg, perv reads. if marquis flips scum then beast is pretty much cleared for me.

[pirate mollie]

do you have something to say majiffy

[pirate mollie]

cos I can weird about you getting weird on me

which will lead to the same old tired dance that we do when we are both town and in a hydra together

I have been trying different things lately. 1 of them is to not get paranoid about my townreads and try to read deeper into the situ.

you of all people should fucking understand this

[pirate mollie]

You're not doing anything to involve yourself in the Metal/Majiffy argument other than telling me to back off which is dumb because read the fucking argument already.

I have and

I am telling you to back off.

how the fuck are missing this

[pirate mollie]

I have a mild townread on marquis. Sthar8 assures me that you're somehow town, although he didn't have time to tell me why before leaving, so I'm willing to wait until tomorrow to hash that out with him. GG has been my strongest townread all game, and they're syncing on ZZZX, who I find null. Yeah, I'm willing to put my vote there over an inexplicable townread my V/LA partner seems pretty sure of.

Mollie is my biggest scumread right now, but sthar8 has experience reading her and I was giving him time to see where he got there. I'm also not going to be able to put forth the time or effort to get her lynched today. PV is not scum if ac000014 is town, which should be known tomorrow. Jiffy was townish, and I'm in agreement with him on Saki, but I'm forbidden from trusting myself on that. Bulb is town if PV is, also something that should be solved tonight.

I'd like to hear the gunsmiths explain their reasoning more on Beast. I haven't seen anything particularly town from him, and Marquis is making a fairly solid point.

With that said, I'm totally satisfied on a vote on a null slot with as many town reads as I have. There are 13 living players, meaning we have a couple of mislynches left to us, and a coplike role. I'm not really going to fight hard to get a specific lynch when this game is so PoEable.

lemme get this straight; I am your top scumread right now and you have done fuck-all to engage me this entire time? I mean you had to be beetlejuiced into the thread after star got IRL busy and you were facing a lynch.

no. simply no.

a lack of a vote on cat creatures at this point is to let scum walk away and just laugh at you. it is the equivalent of stepping on bunny rabbits why do you people want to abuse bunnies

why

why

@ marquis

it looks to me like you were doing a comparison between the mastina lynch and the cat creatures 1. I am trying to sort you and beast out and I am not sure how to do that. I have extremely little experience with beast but more with you but after the quicklynch game I don't trust my read. I thought you looked like pure pondscum in the neighbourhood but i got distracted by shiny sad and sudoki. you can play a pretty mean scum game and your aTe reminds me a bit of how you were in that game too I mean every1 townread you cos you made a big deal out of me using the word retarded so I am not buying any emotional response that you feel so inclined to drop.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

jingle if you guys are town then why are ignoring me except to say that I am your top scumread yet

there is no fucking interaction from you

.

you aren't giving reasons as to why you think i am scum and it just looks like you are riding on the dissonance between you and star wrt your read on me.

this is a reach out. engage with me. talk to me. cos right now i am finding pretty freaking hard to see you as town.

I also think that marquis's softclaim is shit. I am seeing too many similarities to quick lynch and I wish you people would listen to me on it and help me sort him out other than saki. saki's push on marquis makes him seem more town in my eyes cos scum metal doesn't push THIS hard he certainly didn't do it in xeno2. he really believes that marquis is scum and I have say to that I am coming around and a marquis/cat creatures makes sense as scummates.

you know who else fits in this picture? WICKED. who has suddenly disappeared during this shitstorm.

[pirate mollie]

Just got home from VLA like an hour or two ago. I have only speed skimmed the thread since I last posted earlier today and I will not read carefully until tomorrow. But I do want to rephrase my reasons for voting mollie.

pirate mollie- After checking her meta, I can agree that this doesn't look like town mollie. In post 2157 where she wishes she could replace out because she had given up, she blames her defeatist attitude on a lack of town cohesion. I have a few issues with this post; a.) she claims to have given up even though I can't recall her making a noticeable effort to begin with, b.) I don't think we lack town cohesion - at the time of her 'giving up' post, I think there were two reasonably sized bandwagons. c.) It is odd that she would criticize for the lack of town cohesion when she has been 'not voting' for a large percentage of the game and her reads have been fairly independent (e.g. mtd and gg reads). Speaking of mollie's reads, I remember Majiffy said that she was opposed to bussing. After checking a few of her scum games, I believe this to be true. mollie has voted for Titus, GG, and Marquis - I don't think she has ever voted for mafia this game. The Marquis vote is especially odd because five posts earlier (4 hours earlier) she said her top three was ZZZX, LC, and I. BTW, that seems like a very easy trio to suspect and I don't believe that's her top three.

Phone post

I'll summarize my suspicion of mollie later, but this post was made recently.

I am getting the too townie to be town vibe (plus his vote on me is opportunistic as fuck after I have said I don't feel plugged into the game) which is how I can nail muffina now. wicked and muffina are not from the same experience group but I am pretty sure muffina learned it from somewhere and it seems like wicked is from that experience group.

1. It is weird that you are worried about me being too townie to be town given that your only other two suspects are Marquis and LC.
2. It is really weird that you call my vote on you opportunistic. A. I'm the only one voting you. B. I'm voting you partially because I don't believe in your detached attitude - is that detached attitude supposed to protect you from every lynch? C. Two of your three suspects are the top two bandwagons right now and I (your third suspect) was also a popular choice at one point.
3. Your experience group comment is weird for the same reason that your too townie to be town comment is. Again I have past games.

*Plus she keeps complaining about my lack of activity during time periods where I say I am VLA even though she has been even more detached from this game.

You guys should vote for her.

I'm down forva wicked wagon. That guy should've been lynched day 1

I don't understand you. Do you think mollie and I are scum together? Because I thought you suspected mollie too. Are you at all interested in lynching her? Given that I've explained my suspicion of her, I'm trying, and given that she's detached, not trying, hasn't explained her suspicion of me. Why in the world would you choose me over her? The only reasoning you ever had for suspecting me was surrounding my early LC vote (even though you've voted LC today). If it's for the general gut feel that I give off, then you need to meta me.

I think I have a good case against mollie. Trust me when I say that I've town read various people with the detached/lazy attitude in past games but I'm not getting the same genuine/town feel from mollie here.

so i just wanna get this straight. you think I am being detached right now? how so? tell me more about my detachment cos I am feeling anything but detached and I think posts indicate it but good job of trying to push a stale when it actually applied? I was

detached

early in this game after d1 cos

I moved to a different city

. not sure if you have ever done this with a kid I am just going to guess no. it takes a lot of work and a lot of my time. like I am still unpacking.

what I find funny is that you are pushing this point that I am "detached" even tho there was a solid reason for it even tho I was pretty involved in early game

but then I moved

and I would describe my play at present time anything but detached while simultaneously bitching about how I am going after you while you have been on v/la. like I am not voting you I am waiting till you get back from v/la until i go tennis balls to the wall on you which is more than what you gave me. you started your push on me while I was v/la

and moving

.

like you are a complete and total fucking hypocrite or you are scum here. guess which 1 I think you are?

you are scum and that is all there is to it.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie- Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.
Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

I asked you a question mebbe we can start there???

I wanna know why you think I am scum cos you have given zero reasons on why. nor have you interacted with me even tho if you sincerely think that I am scum you should be interacting with me in order to show other people as to why I am scum. you aren't doing this. instead you are screeching "you're scum" while last I checked star had a townread on me like the dissonance is awful and is why I am scumreading you.

and I am not even 1 to go after dissonance cos I have it so much with most of my hydra partners. but this is reminding me so very much of reboot it isn't even funny. you pulled this same shit in that game. star got busy in that game for a bit and then you went after what I guess you perceive as weak players or something until he started posting again.

it is the same shit all over again.

also vezo shld be in your list don't touch town category I mean he is a confmason so why is he not in that place? it looks like you are just trying to play to crowd and when I say crowd I mean etl. the hole inside your whole "a tracker inventor cannot be scum!" theory is that it works the same regardless of alignment; scum are given a head's up as to who is most likely regarded as town and control the game through

that

perspective it seems much more elegant for scum to have that role than for town to have 2 investigative roles or mebbe like always I just don't understand how you people do things here. it just seems too town sided.

so no, I do not believe your claim. but I am going to give it some time to percolate a bit cos I wanna see who is staying away from you or might be bussing you. did I mention that there were a mason pair? and oh yeah marquis is softclaiming too? yeah your role DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and fuck anybody who tries to say it does.

but jingle you wanted to dance.



lets dance. cos I am on to you.

[pirate mollie]

Lying cat

Please vote marquis with me. Your 'soft townread' probably doesn't hold

I am being hard townread by your partner. Assuming I am town, now remember that I have played many games with marquis and know his play from back to front. He is scum.

Beast is also in this position, except less trustable so his credibility isn't there but point stands that

THOSE WHO HAVE MARQUIS META ARE READING HIM AS SOLID SCUM.


(Except zzzx. He is a fool. Don't lynch him.)

I don't think that beast and marquis are both scum. you need to get those thoughts out of your head right now. I have been trying to figure out between the 2 which 1 is scum and I am leaning towards marquis altho beast looked terribad but then I don't know beast and in which case mebbe they don't look bad for him. what I am trying to say is this reminds me so much of quicklynchscummarquis but I am wondering why you don't see it, instead you seem to be pushing extraneous points.

[pirate mollie]

and majiffy bulba and zzzx all know my meta and know i'm town

vezok having played with me before and wanting to lynch me anyway also conftowns me. like really. the reads are that far off with that one.

and when people take down their dirty meta blinders they should realize that i am pretty fucking town

like obvtown

and to be quite honest i'm never obvtown as scum. blatant self-meta, but it's true.

I find it quaint that you think that the people who have a meta read on you are town.

but those of us who also might likely have a meta read on you, you somehow fit into your purview as scum?

lol

[pirate mollie]

and oh yeah marquis is softclaiming too? yeah your role DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and fuck anybody who tries to say it does.

lol what

you were softclaiming don't even pretend that you weren't

[pirate mollie]

also metal is lynchbait and every1 knows this. it is why i have no plans on lynching him. ever. majiffy is making arguments which apply to any1 but metal. I haven't played against scummetal before but if he could do a "<3 mollie" as scum and not fear for his eternal soul then I just don't know what to do.

i remembered i wanted to reply to this

1) metal is lynchbait as both town and scum. don't use that as a reason for "metal is town"

2) the rest of the metal thing is also dumb because in part (but not completely because) you're giving him a free pass just because he's metal sonic.

his play this game may be as casual looking as it always is, but he is scum this time. bye

1. yes. metal is lynchbait

2. that isn't why I think metal is town. I have solid other reasons. which I have indicated. so stop trying to misrep what I am saying.

[pirate mollie]

also vezo shld be in your list don't touch town category I mean he is a confmason so why is he not in that place?

that's covered under conftown/solved through prs

that IS NOT how jingle stacked his reasons and it is obvious

eta: can you guyz stfu for millisecond

[pirate mollie]

thanks majiffy

i am upset that beast wagon is likely not going through because there is an inherent bystander effect in trying to stop the initial bystander effect of lynching scumbeast

but i will stick with you on the saki wagon for the rest of today

this is because we are the new and much more accurate masons

^scum

VOTE: marquis

[pirate mollie]

Beast before marquis. Hardreading marquis town.

no.

beast read's as genuine while marquis does not.

eta: zekrom was in the ny game, I find it interesting that you tried to say it was a different 1. didn't you say it was from anything goes? a game which you were not in? gonna check on that.

and now you are comparing metal to zekrom which is the ny game we played together? no

no. simply no.

[pirate mollie]

fuck this game.

I am done

gonna give it 24 hours

[pirate mollie]

mollie how is this even quickness me

i legitimately cannot see any similarities at all

there i was scummy, hard defending my scumpartners and only having town as my scumreads, resulting in all my reads being "incorrect" if i were town

here i am obvtown, blatantly trying to push lynches off of town and onto scum, and so far my reads have actually been on point

ta-da

tell me where you are trying to push lynches onto to scum tia

cos I don't remember a scumflip and so far it is just beast, yeah? I don't think beast is scum.

you were doing an emotional appeal that in a way gave you room to hide in quickness. you are pulling the same bs here.

/done

[pirate mollie]

AC000018 is off the table for today, as is Saki. I'd be fine with ZZ or Beast though.

I'll get around to addressing mollie and wagon analysis tonight.

wtf

you had all last night and today to address my points in fact you have had all game to interact with me and you haven't except to cough up a "mollie is my top scumread but I am not going to vote her or interact with her cos it might make me look scummy!" after I started to push your lynch when I was a townread before.

wtf do i have to do in order to get scum lynched?

I mean srsly do I have to roam around and panhandle in order to get you people to seee the light?

@ etl

if I am wrong about those cat things then I will sheep your reads. I understand that you have personal reasons for thinking they are town but ffs

look at what they are doing wrt their interactions with me

. I have felt like you guyz have been obvtown since d1 altho I had my moment with the mastinatown flip cos I felt like after tails ap would have a better grasp of mastina by now. you are for sure town now so why aren't you dead? it is cos I think that scum are pivoting their game around you. I am alive cos I am still lynchable even tho I shldn't be and i would like for anybody who has experience with scumme to justify a scumread on me.

*crickets*

there are what 5 players in this game that know my scumgame? the only 1 who is scumreading me is jingle and his push has all of the imeptus as a flaccid licorice stick. but watch him wait things out to see where town herd mentality goes in order to push a weak case on me so that he can be rid of the burden of nking me. cos I am not going to shut up about this.


@ majiffy

you are wrong about metal like you were about mastina. I just wish for once in a game you would listen to me.

just once.

eta: a bunch of xposts

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beast

this is so opportunistic it makes me wanna cry

marquis, you say that your play here is different than in quicklynch; how so?

cos I am seeing a bunch of similarities and you are pooping them away. you didn't defend slaandy iirc or skrew that much you did however defend berthydra other than that your whole self-meta case as to the differences does not add up. you are not adding up

[pirate mollie]

if I am right I about catthings/marquis/wicked being a scumteam (I am unsure on the fourth) I want every1 to promise to listen to my reads from now on in future games cos they are usually pretty good!

[pirate mollie]

Actually the Beast Wagon is terrabad. I am town.

I think one of Marquis/Metal is scum. You all think one of me and Marquis is scum.

Notice how Marquis is in a lot of these "one of two" scum scenarios.

Must be the Bystandard Effect.

Wow wow wow deflecting much?

You being town and Marquis being scum is the least likely possible scenario here. Marquis and you both being scum? I could definitely see that. but for the moment, everything suggests town!Marquis and scum!you.

in what way?

cos I am not seeing it

also I keep forgetting about you. why is that?

[pirate mollie]

5 post combo!!!

[pirate mollie]

Hey mollie. I am like 99.9999% certain LC is town. I see what you're saying about the interaction but it's not uncommon for town to form reads based on posts wihh othersrather than exclusively interaction.

okay. but I have been trying to force cat things to

1. get jingle to justify his read on me
2. at least get him to interact with me and he is doing neither.

scum either cozy up to me or avoid me like the plague cos I tend to get super emotional and it makes them look bad.

look at what jingle is doing.

Would you disagree with that? I think you and I play similarly in that regard where we rely on interaction to get reads, but not everyone does.

I agree with you here, however town WILL at least interact with their scumreads even if it to push them and jingle isn't doing that. star is, but he interacting with me as if he thinks that I am town. it is like jingle is forcing an empty read on me while not pushing it all and waiting for star to tell him what to do cos I am pretty lynchable at this point due to lack of engagement on my part on d2. which was when I was moving to a different city. and this was said. plenty of times.

and it seems like he trying to keep me at arms length cos I am doing everything I can to get close to them. like I am not sure what else I can do at this point.

Landslide beast votes are making me nervous, but I think it's just acfan/marquis.

Mollie what exactly are you thinking wrt beast? Would you lynch marquis or acfan today instead? Also I still dont get where wicked comes in there.

first part: I am pretty sure that cat things hopped on too. I am trying to sort marquis. I want him to answer my questions about his selfmeta. cos I am seeing something different than what he is trying to put forth.

that ac thing is doing nothing for me. I can't tell if he is newbtown or newbscum he confuses me

[pirate mollie]

I am ready to go with a beast lynch as I explained a while ago.

why

[pirate mollie]

Hey mollie. I am like 99.9999% certain LC is town. I see what you're saying about the interaction but it's not uncommon for town to form reads based on posts wihh othersrather than exclusively interaction. Would you disagree with that? I think you and I play similarly in that regard where we rely on interaction to get reads, but not everyone does.

Landslide beast votes are making me nervous, but I think it's just acfan/marquis.

Mollie what exactly are you thinking wrt beast? Would you lynch marquis or acfan today instead? Also I still dont get where wicked comes in there.

AC000019 is less on the table than I am. It doesn't matter if you're scumreading him, he needs to get copped. FFS ETL, HE'S A DOC AND WE HAVE A COP TO INVESTIGATE HIM.

hey cat things I am right here!

[pirate mollie]

I don't wanna lynch LC today.

mollie, who else do you want? Other than LC?

Also, LC, fine. Whatever. Don't lynch ac today. I would honestly rather have Wicked or beast or Marquis copped tonight, and acfan handled after that.

so far we have an inventor tracker claim, an inventor town flip that does not specify what invention they gave and a soft claim. we also have a claim of a back up inventor yeah?

I am thinking marquis is full of shit. but I wanna hear more from him.

[pirate mollie]

that ac thing is doing nothing for me. I can't tell if he is newbtown or newbscum he confuses me

Pls look at my registration date thanks

okay I was pwned in this post

why aren't you more assertive? why are you not trying to coalesce?

plz explain this to me

[pirate mollie]

that ac thing is doing nothing for me. I can't tell if he is newbtown or newbscum he confuses me

Pls look at my registration date thanks

okay I was pwned in this post

why aren't you more assertive? why are you not trying to coalesce?

plz explain this to me

No problem. To be fair this is my first game in over a year, and I have played pretty sporadically over the years.

I'm not very assertive because I am not that good of a player of mafia. My only truly successful town game where I actually was sort of important (Open 118), I was an investigative PR role. I also experimented with being a bit more aggressive in Doctor Who Mafia, but there I was a four shot anytime vig who was basically cleared day 1 and then died night 2 before I could do anything of true import.

I've definitely struggled at getting a handle on the game, particularly since it is a large and there haven't been as many obvscum players as my past larges (probably due to it being monoscum?). If i get really confident about a read I will probably push the lynch a bit harder.

okay I get not getting a handle on the game. cos I am trying and I am not sure that I do.

what do you mean by monoscum?

I am going to treat you as town since those cat things are and I think they know your alignment.

cos they are scum scum scum despite whatever etl says

[pirate mollie]

I am ready to go with a beast lynch as I explained a while ago.

why

His posts are anti town mostly. his pro town posts are so forced. Its not like beast to force posts.

how are they anti-town?

explain this to me like I am 4-year old.

in quicklynch anti kept trying to steer me that they were scum when I thought marquis looked scummy except for d1 all of the time. he took offence to me using the word "retarded" which bought him a townread from me. cos otherwise that is skeevyscumplay.which is why I think he is scum here he is doing the same thing.

[pirate mollie]

This looks exactly like scum realizing the lynch pool is narrowing too quickly for them to have a chance. Oh, and mollie, here's that interaction that you never responded to.

Could you maybe get to that in between your bouts of insanity?

I'm really fucking interested in what I'm missing that makes MS town.

you are treating me like town here there is freaking no denying it.

I have been half a step above V/LA this entire game. I'm currently working two people's schedules, and I don't have the time to post at work this week. With that said, I have brought up issues with your play, and asked you questions. You've responded to them with... Oh right, more ATE and a crapton of "Jingle's not interacting with me!!! I feel so left out!!!" I'm sorry that I'm the center of your universe, but the feeling isn't mutual. And damn right I'm voting beast. I'm being pretty open about who I'm willing to lynch today. Beast is definitely one of those.

then send me jingle. who has me as scum.

I mean if you cannot sort me out it makes this entire exchange useless.

pick up

[pirate mollie]

hey wicked!

do you really think I am detached now?

cos it looks like you are pushing something old while trying to repackage it into something new! cos guess what I am anything but detached. if you read the preceding pages you would know this.

sorry

[pirate mollie]

Okay, Bulb. Explain to me why scum Tracker inventor would be a role in this setup.

I dunno...mebbe so that scum can track inventors?

like you haven't srsly thought about this as town?

tell me the scum counterpart. cos I can't think of 1.

[pirate mollie]

hey wicked!

do you really think I am detached now?

cos it looks like you are pushing something old while trying to repackage it into something new! cos guess what I am anything but detached. if you read the preceding pages you would know this.

Were the preceding pages an effort to make me change my mind?

yes. they were specifically designed for that.

however did you figure this out with my posts that were not directly related to you.

[pirate mollie]

i shld probs add a sarcasm button for the feeble.

cos I know how you people are.

in other news metal is still town, perv defo so is majiffy and those gunslinger things, leaning towards that zzthing and every1 else is under scrutiny except vezok.

I have already given my thoughts on beast and marquis 1 of them is scum I am pretty sure cos there is no way no how you can misread a hydra partner in that way unless you are majiffy metal or scum.

bulba why do you think cat creatures are scum?

[pirate mollie]

Okay, Bulb. Explain to me why scum Tracker inventor would be a role in this setup.

I dunno...mebbe so that scum can track inventors?

they are day inventors

pretty sure we've been over this a lot

do you really think I am detached now?

i have and continue to do so

newz flash!!!

I bet all of the inventors are day related! I played the other games!

so how am I detached marquis?

[pirate mollie]

@mollie-

The sarcasm was apparent.

Why are you asking Bulbazak that? Do you now think LC's town now?

I am speaking to bulba cos i want to get inside his head.

plz don't interrupt me.

[pirate mollie]

honestly

tracker inventor seems to be useless for town and scum

maybe for town, if they are lucky they can track the scum to the nightkill (1/17 chance)

for scum, i dunno, check if people are lying about where they sent their inventions or something? or maybe if some inventor public claim a target, can intercept?


sounds pretty useless in the game for either alignment now that i think about it

how could they intercept? you have caught my attention here

[pirate mollie]

this is the internet

tbh i should have seen mollie's sarcasm a mile away

but metal you can't track who inventors give the invent to like wtf stop this and just vig yourself

but don't you still think I am scum?

like I am reaching tammy levels here

you seem to be in the "know" marquis and I am not sure how that translates to townyou but somehow it does.

are you gonna answer my questions or what

[pirate mollie]

marquis are you gonna talk to me cos otherwise I am going to bed.

wicked i am taking your post under consideration

[pirate mollie]

it means if you say some1's name, they will magically appear.

it indicates active lurking.

and it isn't a dumb tell majiffy, fery saved your ass from my trolleytracking on you in the newbie game where mara was scum. you should know better.

VOTE: cat creatures

[pirate mollie]

Hey Styx is a pretty ok band it turns out.

[pirate mollie]

I am good with it so then every1 can see THAT I DISTINCTLY SAID THAT I DID NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING IN THE NIGHT ROUND SINCE THERE WAS A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT I WOULD BE TRACKED.

oh and this?

mastin2 - 9 (Lying Cat, MTD, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr, Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka, Titus)

all town.

I am not sure that I have ever seen an all town lynch before. I guess I never checked back when I was town before, but when I get time I am going to go look.

gg town

ty anti for the game <3