Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[Lying Cat]

Re: the flavor claim:

I've tasted vaguely like cat food since the last game. Please advise, is catfood organic?

VOTE: mastin2

I'm assuming the caught scum is now bussing.

[Lying Cat]

I fully intend to interpret any discussion of 'organic compounds' as discussion of body fluids. Yup, I'm 12 years old and you can see where this is going.

Also my role pm is broken. It's a bunch of c's and d's on like a treasure map or something. And they don't even spell anything.

VOTE: BipolarChemist

Methamphetamine cannot be a town role despite being organic. Are you a traitor or a serial killer?

p-edit fuck you jingle i get the rvs.

[Lying Cat]

EBWOP also if snork and mollie don't vote me in their next post, it's a scumclaim.

[Lying Cat]

I was in the shower. What's up?

[Lying Cat]

why were you taking a shower in the middle of the day

thinking big bird is town but I also think he is lying cos of set up which I didn't read at all.

9:30 am on my day off. Plus I'm dogsitting and they were super drooly this morning.

AP's just screwing around, but we know there are inventors in the setup.

you are making me uncomfortable

it's a mating call. hide AP.

[Lying Cat]

nah he's easy to read.

Also I just noticed how many birds there are in this game. Scumteam?

p-edit AP don't be doofy I'm trying to keep your bird parts safe.

[Lying Cat]

metal mistake

Spoiler: Is that anything like this?

And then mods promptly bitched the fuck out post-game for making post restrictions like this.

It doesn't fit the flavor, so don't blame anti. Birds do dumb things.

[Lying Cat]

The PR is in binary. I found a translator.

That's obvious. Are you gonna share with the class?

[Lying Cat]

Then why aren't you lynching it?

Birds do dumb things.

Titus, can you just post it over? I'm typing with one hand and also lazy.

[Lying Cat]

[Lying Cat]

@titus-thank you. Why did you ask anti about encoded votes?

[Lying Cat]

Drunk guy who can only squawk or quack totally fits flavor as alcohol is an organic compand... at least according to my role PM.

Yes Im totally sure that Marquis going about his general schtick of posting the words squack and quack over and over in this game has special relevance to this game despite it just being his thing.

try again?

Out of curiosity and fully aware that it likely has no game relevance, has he ever done the binary thing before?

[Lying Cat]

Mastin replaced my slot later that game, so I know he's pretty familiar with my scumgame and should be able to come up with more than ooh you're defending my townread. He's flailing.

What?

[Lying Cat]

[Lying Cat]

I had this whole post explaining AP's joke to titus, but too many ninjas.

AP are we being serious now?

[Lying Cat]

I need to know if you got the snork-tunneling out of your system yet.

I'm feeling good about mollie and you for now.

Z will be easy to read, you can check with your partner for confirmation.

Titus is in the pool for today.

How do you feel about jiffy?

[Lying Cat]

ap is town guyz

yup.

so is majiffy!

i dunno, maybe.

I think i see what titus was doing. less excited about lynching her now.

[Lying Cat]

Lying Cat is blending in and they need more votes.

Bring it, fool.

[Lying Cat]

Regardless of the right definition, I think Lying Cat is a worse offender. They were reasonably active earlier but iirc they did not even give any reads (or at least they were slow to). You can't piss people off less than not posting scum reads at all. I almost forgot that they were here despite their reasonable post count.

"no lookit him, he's scummier than me"

I gave reads as soon as I was out of rvs.

AP, help me bus this.

VOTE: wicked

Majiffy, you're backwards. Also give ns and marquis a chance to not be a pita.

[Lying Cat]

Eighteen posts so far, but this is the only subjective one imo.

They're still on their BipolarChemist vote, who hasn't posted yet.

Yup, anybody still on their RVS vote two hours into the game is obvscum. You got me.

[Lying Cat]

I saw two 'good feelings'. And prior to voting me, you were voting somebody who hadn't posted.

Which is obviously a huge scumtell in RVS. Game Solved! Everybody can go home now!

Time is irrelevant. We are on page 6 now. Nice try though.

Thaaaat's scummy as fuck. You're setting up a double standard for my posts as compared to everyone else's. Wouldn't it have been easier to avoid attention but just not fucking posting?

Half

the playerlist hasn't posted; that seems like a good way to blend in.

And time is most certainly not irrelevant. You can go fuck yourself with something sharp for even suggesting it. Just because AP and others can spampost and I'm off work today to interact with them does not mean that the other players in the game have any responsibility to keep up with this bullshit. You're suggesting I'm scum effectively because I'm off work today. What's next, you're going to vote someone based on their timezone?

Or, you're sheeping AP because he's a widely held townread. No matter that you don't share in any of the myriad of reasons he's legitimately voting me, so long as you can make it look good, right?

[Lying Cat]

My internet's shitty out here and my battery's almost dead. I'm going for a hike, might be back later.

[Lying Cat]

but Snork and I have a personal vendetta against the Cat (who actually did roll scum)

But we

love

you!

Also we didn't roll scum this game, sorry.

Go look at my posts, you should be able to figure out what I'm doing and why.

[Lying Cat]

STHARRRR WHERE ARE YOU

My internet's shitty out here and my battery's almost dead. I'm going for a hike, might be back later.

I stopped back in to check the game and eat lunch, but I'm headed back out in a minute. What, did you need to be let out? Just piss on the carpets and make AP clean it up.

i am newbie.

Not anymore. You're well past like 90% of newbie problems.

either my out of hydra posts

Mollie's not allowed to give anybody shit for that

Spoiler: Quote striping with Wicked

The game felt serious and out-of-rvs to me.

You thought my post #11, my first post in the game, that happened roughly 30 minutes after the thread opened, was a serious vote? Nope. Not buying it.

Have you ever heard of the phrase 'active lurking'? That's the reasoning for my vote. Not all scum wishing to blend in choose lurking.

And you think that you can tell who's active lurking two hours into the game? The backpedaling is furious.

Firstly, this is a game, please treat it as such. If I offended/angered you in some way, then it was unintentional and I apologize. I think time is irrelevant because the amount of posting that can occur in a period of time varies.

I am treating this like a game. I did not actually intend for you to have sex with something sharp. I was using the phrase as a rhetorical device to indicate exactly how stupid and damaging to the game it is to scumread people for something meatworld related that is unconnected to alignment.

I think the amount of posting determines how serious the game has become. Six pages is a lot for me, personally.

That might hold some water if there weren't so many players who have not yet posted. Or if the game had been open longer than it takes to watch a movie.

Honestly, I forgot that he had even voted for you. Not sure why I, as hypothetical scum, would want to sheep the vote that had no reasoning behind it.

AP looks town, you agree with AP trying to look town. It's also a bit of buddying. Not a difficult concept to grasp.

[Lying Cat]

Man, that burger was super yummy.

I'm going back out to the woods now. I'm gonna see if I can catch a moose.

Back in an hour-ish, if I don't get eaten.

[Lying Cat]

Some games are over on page 11. Just saying.

Beast, I have all faith in you.

I'm going to dinner, when I return I will spam some more.

Heppy to lynching the wicked.

Something's weird about mastin, but I dont care for how little resistance there is to a wagon.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith.
I am so, so sorry that you drew a scum role PM, AP.

Claim: Masons with Majiffy

, who is a bodyguard-mason, and will be protecting me each night most likely. Just thought I'd let you know.

This looks crazy scummy. Everyone knows going after well-hung fruit is a scumtell.

[Lying Cat]

In post 282, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:We can form a trifecta townblock you me and vezok No objections here, though do me a favor and invite Zx for me.

Is this the same mastin who thinks forcing townblocs to form leads to scum infiltrate townblocs?

[Lying Cat]

I hope you don't expect me to actually take your self meta and apply it...

Also also this is the same "I'm admitting I'm being lazy so it's ok and you shouldn't lynch me" kind of attitude from NY 172. Where you were scum. So...

p-edit: stuff and things.

don't you have a hydra you are supposed to be posting in?

I say this with irony

Don't you have several hydrae to be accidentally posting in?

[Lying Cat]

Actually, I'm going to pull a StrangerCoug and draw a line here.

I liked your Antihero mafia punishment for hydra slips.

@ all- 9 pages overnight, I'm catching up. In my head, the exchange between MS and Z reads like bad anime dialogue, like Speed Racer from the 60s. I imagine that they're talking way too fast and their lip movements don't match the words.

And I almost hydraslipped this post, which would have been

[Lying Cat]

Majiffy it feels weird being 25, please advise

Happy birthday, welcome to old.

Also goddamn I'm old.

You should vote Wicked.

mtd would be good too.

[Lying Cat]

The entire MS player base (minus me) sacrificed their ability to read mastin after Anything Goes

Every. Single. Time. I've seen Mastinscum she's half-assed her play. Usually it's a lot lurkier than this, but the similarity is there. Is this legit or am I being aggressively paranoid?

Oh right. Also you are probs town for the softclaim, although not necessarily. We get it, you are a backup inventor. Holy crap. yes Im calling this out in the thread, stop being obvious about it.

Last time I saw her doglogic a softclaim trick, she was supertown.

pirate mollie groped Courtney Love.

Best. Mod. Ever.

Good content so far on the battleships and the fluffers (makes me giggle every time).

Need more from the middleweight guys. Beast, BC, PV, I need you in my life.

Lynch pool is currently {wicked, mtd, mastin}

Townboat is currently {GG, mollie, bert}

Jiffy might be in there too. Same with Titus. We'll see

So I went hiking yesterday, but I didn't find the moose. I got about 20 minutes out and it started raining, which wouldn't bother me except I only have a limited number of clothes changes here. I'm gonna give it another shot this morning, but it'll be only a short hike because I have to go pick the kids up from school. Either I'll take a dog with me or after I get the kids they can help me hunt it down.

tl;dr I'm busy today, but I'll be back later.

[Lying Cat]

Oh I keep forgetting this:

Is going to be the last scum caught. (Town.)

You know me so well. But there's no way I make it to LYLO this game, so whatever.

Also why is my sig gone?

[Lying Cat]

That makes no sense to me and makes me glad I never got on the Wicked wagon as I'm doubting its validity.

There's one scum on the wagon and he's in the busrider seat. Looks pretty good to me.

[Lying Cat]

I'm a day neighborizer. I day neighborized all of you. The qt can be found at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5911804

Also, we, the hydra, need to discuss reads, but I distinctly remember mastin and GG being our strongest reads. Mastina is scum, GG is town. Will get back to this later.

I'm pretty sure I'm done with the shitty jokes now.

-Jingle

[Lying Cat]

Also, we, the hydra, need to discuss reads, but I distinctly remember mastin and GG being our strongest reads. Mastina is scum, GG is town. Will get back to this later.

No.

Mastin was a weak read on meta. GG is totes town though.

I have a husband bulge for the Wicked lynch still. Tune in for more on this at 11. Also updated reads.

@Mod and everybody-
I'm gearing six kids for a campout this weekend. I'll be limited access until Friday, then no access until either late Sunday or Monday. This should only affect the sthar head, because although Jingle's doing my job this weekend he doesn't do it very well and therefore should have time to post.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

I was about to agree with Jiffy, but then I looked at Chairlizard's ISO. 3 posts, none of which is impressive. Why then, best, do you expect to be the center of conversations?

Also, mollie you know you love us.

~Jingle

[Lying Cat]

Are you... huffing glue?

[Lying Cat]

Guys I really want to lay my eggs in Wicked's chest cavity. I keep working on a case but I'm busy today and I'm going straight into the woods tonight to reenact The Most Dangerous Game.

Please please please go read his iso. And look at our wagon timing.

Also beast and BPC get your asses in here before AP has to use you both as handpuppets.

Snork, zab's gonna get replaced. Antihero will find someone competent, we all profit.

I want to fill MS and marquis's mouths with marshmallows and duct tape them shut.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

Someone explain a mastin townread to me, 'cause she's still giving me all of the scumvibes.

I'll reread and discuss with the other head tomorrow.

-Jingle

[Lying Cat]

I'm back in town and catching up. I expected more than ten pages; you must all be punished.

[Lying Cat]

I'm back in town and catching up. I expected more than ten pages; you must all be punished.

is this star

perfect timing!

I am not sure I am going to have an easy time sorting you so give me something to munch on

Working on it.

In the meantime, rate your mastin and majiffy reads between 1 and 10.

then tell me how you feel about apork.

@ majiffy i'll get my paddle.

[Lying Cat]

We should lynch LC

no

We should lynch LC.

I think I saw what you saw in the post that made you vote, but can you give me other posts to look at aside from that one?

(This is me, saying totally willing to.)

OMGUS, but I'd totally lynch mastin for this post. Sounding out the lynch, buddying majiffy (who's a scumread, right?), asking for a case so she doesn't have to do the work.

Sup Sthar8. So I really don't get your post this game. I just sort of read them and I notice attempts at humor and I feel around to see if I can find where its coming from and ...I cant. Yes I know MS and Marquis post a lot of crap. The thing is .... Marquis's last few posts were actually pretty good? Certainly not on a level of "scum or may as well be, lynchdiefire.

Which one of you is this?

If snork, discuss with AP.

If AP, get your head out of your ass and read my posts carefully.

Either way, note that I did not suggest lynching marquis, only suffocating her with marshmallows. It has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the game length.

I'm up to page 37, and I need to take the boys to scouts. You all need to get your shit together and take a look at this wagon. Mastin is probscum as of right now. MTD is scum, wicked is probscum.

mollie, jiffy, ap are town.

back later.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

Still catching up guys, sorry. This game has the longest deadline right now, :. it is the lowest priority. Plus 10 pages a day.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

p-edit: Hi Sthar I want to chat with you.

Go for it. Be aware that I haven't read anything in the last 20 pages.

[Lying Cat]

p-edit: Hi Sthar I want to chat with you.

Go for it. Be aware that I haven't read anything in the last 20 pages.

Understood. Where are you wrt reads at this moment?

- snork

As of where I'm at, I have a strong scumread on mastin. I understand that this is not a popular opinion, but I think those of you townreading her as of 35 are huffing paint.

I also want to kill wicked badly, and mtd from associatives.

I feel like I had another one but idr what it was.

You're town, mollie's town, majiffy looks p damn town.

I liked BPC's entry. Not so much chairlizard's, but I don't share Jingle's opinion that he needs to be prodded until he's useful. IME he'll be easy to read at some point.

Some methheads just came in to sell me about $5k in stolen shit, and I'm trying to track down the owner. When I'm done with that, I have two other games to catch up on before this one. I might be back later.

[Lying Cat]

cat people I was waiting for something wonderful but I feel like you are just repeating the same thing. no new thoughts?

For fucks sake mollie I'm 20 pages behind! What the hell do you want from me? Jingle's off playing with himself so you're stuck waiting for me to catch up. I have been nothing but transparent about this, and we have ten fucking days until deadline. Can I get a little fucking patience here?

[Lying Cat]

No, fuck that. Fuck everything about that. Deadlines are not there so we can use literally all of it. Get your head in the game or get dunked.

For once, can we not sponge all of the deadline because everyone is circlejerking?

Eat. A. Dick.
This is not a small game. There are productive things to do other than bitching about how I'm not dropping all my personal, professional, and mafia related obligations to cater to your inexplicable whims.

I'm not suggesting that we go to deadline; if you could fucking read you'd know that. I have two other games with shorter deadlines and when they're set you get all my attention. So get your thumb out of your lazy ass and go verify all the PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION that I've been telling you for two days.

Unless you want to mail me a check so I can quit my job and entertain you professionally, you're going to have to content yourself with your right hand and maybe some 'hooked on phonics.'

If I get all read up and all the votes on me are a) 'cuz mastin sayed so' b) sthar8 beat me in a game once or c) lolvote then you four are going to have some serious fucking explaining to do. I'm sending signals that are loud and clear, and if you are all too fucking dense to pick them up you should at least not be stupid enough to waste time harping on someone who's effectively limited access.

[Lying Cat]

Post 1356 makes me even more comfortable with my vote on Lying Cat.

It's very brave of you to expose that kind of failure in your reasoning ability.

I'd like to know which head was talking on #1364, because I don't remember either head commonly dropping fbombs when wagoned, unlike yours truly.

I'm not swearing because I'm getting wagoned. Read better please.

I'm getting off work (after my third consecutive 12 hour shift) twenty minutes from now. Then I have to drive two kids home, go fill out a police report, and then maybe get some dinner if I can afford it. Then, if it's still early enough, I'm going to catch up on the one other game that I still need to get to. If that happens before midnight, I MIGHT read some more of this game.

But honestly right now I feel like just saying fuck it and making you all wait.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

Page 51. Almost there. Just had a fight with jingle wherein i blamed him for not keeping up with the game while i was vla and he blamed me for not leaving him better instructions.

sorry i was grumpy the other day. i'm going through myriad amounts of stressful shit and i feel like i'm wasting my extremely limited playtime reading shitty spam. also i feel like the vague bad scumreads on me are because i'm not doing any handholding which a) i have no time for and b) i loathe because it interferes with my play and you should mostly all know that already.

I'll absolutely finish catching up this afternoon and do a note dump, but I can't promise any shiny new cases.

Depending on how this afternoon goes, I may collapse into depression for some unspecified number of days. I will attempt to make sure Jingle is motivated before I do.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

I'm not going to contribute anything tonight, but I should have the time to both get caught up and post something substantive tomorrow.

In other news, Sthar8 has a lot of RL shit right now, so until further notice you'll have to deal with just having me. I know, you're all horribly disappointed.

[Lying Cat]

Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)- See vezok. I'm not sure about the validity of the mason claim, but it seems like

an odd fakeclaim as town.

Dat. scumslip.

Thank for confirming us as town if anyone doubted it (!?) but you can go die now.

Reaction reads as town. Definitely masons.

Also, it was a hydra slip, not a scumslip. Sorry Anti. I did meant to post that in the hydra account.

[Lying Cat]

Titus, what I meant was that you appear to be jumping around to all of the different places in your thought process. Your reads are actually evolving somewhat. Your tunnels shift from player to player. You're tunneling, but you're not using that as an excuse not to post thoughts on other players and weigh in. It seems more like towntunneling than scumtunneling to me.

AP/Snork, that isn't a wall. That is a nice little hedge. I doubt I'm going to be in a walling mood this dayphase though.

[Lying Cat]

Sthar8's busy doing three people's work and trying to get the police to actually do their job, in addition to some fucked up personal shit. You'll have to settle for me.

[Lying Cat]

Will do, and thanks for the thought Snork.

In other news, Wicked continues to vote MTD despite having mastin as his biggest scumread and MTD as nullscum. He mentions mastin constantly. His last mention of MTD, who he's voting, is to shoot holes in a scumteam with both him and MTD and before that it was explaining why he wasn't sure on MTD's alignment but was on mastin's. This is not the activity of a town player. There are no cases. There is no attempt to further read MTD. There is nothing being done to ensure his vote actually matters. It looks like he's trying to be off wagon when we flip town, but he doesn't know what to do with himself.

Also, the above post is fucking hilarious. He's also not doing anything to push through either of his supposed preferred lynches. The hypocrisy stinks of scum. Seriously, why is this not still a wagon?

[Lying Cat]

Shit I meant to link to 1390 and 553 there. My bad.

[Lying Cat]

K so I'm kinda reading along.

But I'm in a full blown depression-spiral right now, and we're throwing back to some of my worst days ever. Not game-related, but it's gonna be very hard not to be a complete prick for awhile.

So in the interest of breaking cycle and avoiding stress, I'm going to avoid arguing and try to only post when intoxicated.

Here are some thing's I'm NOT going to do:

NOT going to call wicked a hypocrite and an asshole for being vla longer than me and posting less and suggesting that i should replace for activity reasons

NOT going to point out that mollie should have a rock solid townread on me that should last at least a day.

NOT going to call AP a moron for failing to analyze the wagon on me, nor am I going to yell at the VI's currently voting me.

NOT going to yell at all of you for failing to lynch the shit out of mastin.

[Lying Cat]

Attention Townies

This is not something I would do if there was much doubt in my mind. This is not something I do lightly ever. This is something I will feel terrible about if wrong. HOWEVER. Mastin is scum. I just spent a couple hours rereading and I am certain of it. Mastin is scum. MTD is scum. Mollie is probably scum. Wicked is likely scum.

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Mastin

Im not extremely interested in either of the leading wagons. I could lynch WickedDest if we aren't lynching mastin, but I really want to lynch mastin.

YAY thank you AP finally fuck. welcome to the game

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: mastin

i'm less excited for wicked than i was. i still want mastin and mtd, and i'm not feeling so good about bulb right now.

[Lying Cat]

titus vote mastin please

[Lying Cat]

AP I love you but Titus is a more important flip here than Mastin.

Mastin scum doesn't lurk off wagons.

Mastin's not lurking off-wagon, assuming i'm reading you correctly.

Mastin's pushing the crapwagon on me, which was the biggest until very recently.

[Lying Cat]

The picture is the softclaim.

no

[Lying Cat]

Mastin hasn't been a viable presence in this game for almost a week now.

Right, but dropping a vote and walking away

is

something mastin would do.

[Lying Cat]

However, I really doubt that Jingle would be this lurky as scum.

Hey Bulba, what made you come to this conclusion?

We still need to discuss, but this weekend will be hellishly busy.

@mod V/LA for both heads until Monday.

If we get a chance, we'll contribute. We probably won't get a chance.

[Lying Cat]

Prod Dodge. I will talk to sthar8 today, but we'll either up our content or replace. I'm not sure which at this point.

[Lying Cat]

I support a Bulba lynch.

I do not think he reached his meta read on me in a natural way, leaving me to believe he was just reaching for a reason to townread me.

We've played together a few times and he's seen me as scum in:

Newbie 1498 he watched me systematically kill everyone who was producing content in order to let the game stall out.
1557 he saw a scum strategy of mine that was basically force town to deal with being at deadline for the entire game by actively lurking the thread.

I do not see any reason for Bulb to look at me lurking and see town.

VOTE: Bulbazak

With that said, Snork, let me know if I'm confbiasing like I did on Fuzzy, as this is another player that I have literally never townread.

[Lying Cat]

OK I'm almost caught up and I'm back for realsies this time. I'll do a big apology post when I'm up to speed but I wanted to say thanks for your patience.

I'm shrinking the "getting sloppy blitzed" and "working" pie slices in favor of "sleeping at night" and "playing mafia" on a trial basis.

Eh AC130 is a[blah blah blah]

I assumed it was a part number for an air conditioner fan.

[Lying Cat]

Five pages to go. Real quick:

I trust AngryPork more than the mason. For reals. Anybody scumreading them needs to back the hell off.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: Marquis

You called?

[Lying Cat]

UNVOTE:

Jingle, you'll forgive me undermining you but I believe you've scumread bulb in every game you two have ever been in ever. And MTD is an exciting wagon.

Do we know who mastin sent her invention to?

[Lying Cat]

If you're confused, take a skim through the bottom of page 2 ISO upwards.

I'm doing this, and it feels like masturbating with sandpaper.

[Lying Cat]

Because all theme games have scum fakeclaims?

See here's the thing: I've played in three antihero games and the closest he's come to fakeclaims was in the mini theme where he offered to format whatever we wanted like a real role pm. Does anybody have any evidence that he'd do fakeclaims other than "all themes have fakes durr?"

[Lying Cat]

Reads for Easy Access!

Supertown-
Vezok- conftown mason
titus- conftown investigation
majiffy- probtown investigation claim
AC00001- probtown backup claim
APork- probtown
Lying Cat- damn sexy

Townish-
PV (sthar)
Mollie (btw mollie this feels like faith to me but I don't benefit from it this time so no more blame-gaming plz)
Marquis (Jingle)

IDFK-
ZZZX
Speedy Saki

Scum-
Wickedestjr (maybe)
Bulbazak (Jingle)
MTD (sthar, Jingle a bit)
beastcharizard (Jingle, sthar a bit)


@Jiffy I can't read saki for shit but i might sheep. Did you see the vca that someone put up a while ago? Did you notice mtd wagonhopping like a queen in a western-themed drag show?

[Lying Cat]

It's irrelevant if you can or can't read Saki. Saki literally goes WALLPOST LOOK HOW SCUMMY BULBA IS to "lol Bulba wagon is scum-driven but I'm sure he'll talk himself out of it"

THE NARRATIVE DOESN'T FIT.

My neighbor's dog will eat shit, vomit, then eat the vomit. That narrative doesn't fit either.

Also I don't think the dissonance is quite as bad as you're thinking. It's certainly interesting, but I want to see their counterargument before I go all turbolynchy.

[Lying Cat]

Does anybody have any evidence that he'd do fakeclaims other than "all themes have fakes durr?"

Also I just noticed this question is pretty retarded

Are you like asking the scum or something?

Give yourself a slap

Dear Sonic,

Learn to read in English, and to use context.

I provided three examples of Antihero games with no fakeclaims provided. One was a theme. I asked if anybody knew of a game where he

did

provide fakeclaims, in case my information was incomplete.

Fondest wishes

Sthar

p.s. don't say 'retarded,' it makes you look like a fucking moron.

[Lying Cat]

There should have been 3 inventions last night and the only ones totally claimed are a track and jailkeep.

\

Four. There should have been four. And the symmetry is why I'm trusting Jiffy's result.

I thought I was already voting MTD. Going for a walk with Jingle in a bit, then I'll put the vote on with reasons for PV.

[Lying Cat]

We of the Cat Community humbly request you vote the shit out of Saki. I'm seeing what Jiffy is seeing.

VOTE: Speedy Saki

Spoiler: I LIKE WALLS!

vezok and beast, please get your votes off me. you know i am town.


vezok, you certainly dont want to be voting together on the same wagon as your "scum". i will g

beast, you can read me, this is town sonic, as ZZZX has said, take your vote away.

my scumreads are Marquis and acfan. MTD is a compromise for my life and since he's been hovering on my null-scumreads for the entirety of the game.

wallwar makes me think Bulbazak is town. he disengaged early which was unusual but not illogical (as he predicted, some players claim that they don't want to read it), so he isn't hopping up to superconftown or whatever, but just prob town.

This post is SCUM! Look at the pleas to remove votes from him. There is no reasoning as to why he's town. No defense of his behavior. He merely tries to push everyone voting him elsewhere. The MTD is a compromise for my life part is especially scummy. It's not MTD is a good lynch or MTD is a more informative lynch or MTD is scum. It's just a "Please don't lynch me!"

that is a bad idea. don't be an acfan.

you are a conftown, you have the power to champion lynches on your scumreads.

but you say that titus is 100% scum, but you are helping her vote me? what does that make you?



I am sort of in the same situation as you , I want to lynch acfan but there is no interest. help me. help me help you.

This is interesting in that he's demonstrating that he thinks conftown is acting like acfan, and even sounds like he believes acfan is just being lurkertown, right up until he mentions how he still wants to lynch acfan. What about acfan is so damning that you're going to ignore the logical solution of letting investigative roles figure out the overpowered inventor and instead try to lynch him? Why is he so scummy when our mason is acting similarly enough that you want to compare him.

Answer: You're not scumreading him. You just don't have a way to NK a doc-inventor.

Fluorenylmethyloxycarbonyl chloride

Final Vote Count of Day 1

mastin2 - 9 (Lying Cat, MTD, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr, Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka, Titus)

Speedy Saki - 1 (Bulbazak)

i am the only person who had the brain to whiteknight the fuck out of mastin the town doc inventor. the only person in the whole game to defend mastin the "self-proclaimed scumhunting god". is this the first time mastintown gets lynched day 1 after her "revival"? this better be known post game.

look at masters: acfan and marquis and titus being on the wagon (MTD too hmm that is a little suspect)

look at the conftown voting the same target as his confscumread





look at the bulba wagon today immediately disintegrate when i called out the wagon and majiffy screamed and blared the alarm

disintegrate like a magic bullet

scum run! run faster! need more speed! disband the wagon!




look at me whiteknight bulbazak of half the power as mastin. look at all the scum scurry and scamper in all directions with a magic wagon disband.

Did I miss the part where WK-ing is suddenly not a scumtell? Because you know who likes to defend townies for towncred? Scum. You know who is currently fishing for towncred for defending yesterday's lynch target? Scum. Funny coincidence, that.

look at majiffy because it is funny:

I am going against everything ingrained in my soul right now.
VOTE: Majiffy
I am VT. I am a safe lynch. Flip me.

Then remember:

Doduo, Lying Cat, ZZZX, mastin2, Speedy Saki

All of these slots need to die.

Because I seriously have absolutely no urge whatsoever to continue this fucking game so flip me and then sheep the everfuckingshittington out of my reads.

You think I'm scum then vote me Mastin

I'm handing myself on a beautifully polished silver platter for you.

I'm still not seeing a vote for your biggest scum read here Mastin.

I'm still not seeing a vote for your biggest scum read here Mastin.

That's because you're not; you're third. (Admittedly, fluidity between the top-3 is decently-strong, but still.)

Who is your third, already assuming me and LC? And why don't I know this? And why does it seem like you've spent all game arguing Majiffy-Scum and almost no time at all arguing LC-scum or ???-scum if I'm only your

third

strongest scumread?

A: Because you're fucking scum

this game is very funny. maybe i should claim 2 shot watcher and replace out.

wait that wont work............

Hey, so the discrediting Majiffy here is fucking brilliant. Can you give me any reason at all that Majiffy's lack of ability to read mastin is in any way indicative of your alignment? It isn't. Your argument here is that Majiffy can't be right about you because he wasn't right about mastin, which is scummy as all hell.

this is also pretty funny. look here:

Jiffy/mastin - objective read on mollie?

- Snork

Town until the end of days.

Is there a reason we haven't lynched me yet? I have claimed VT, my flip provides a massive amount of info, and there is way too much paranoia going on regarding other slots over my alignment. Flip me and move the fuck on.

Everyone should either vote me in their next post or explain explicitly why they are choosing not to, because it is inherently anti-town not to and an unreasoned lack of a vote will be taken as an immediate scumclaim.

laugh till you fall out of your seat


i am done talking to majiffy. vote elsewhere or i will ignore you for the rest of the game. mr crazy sparta





im going to reason with townreads beast and vezok. majiffy is also a townread but

Hey why haven't we lynched that Majiffy guy he's totes scum.

Ooh la la!



Vezok: If Titus is your confscumread, and Titus was voting mastin2 together with you, that means you are voting a town again. Don't lynch another.

anyway not considering any titus WIFOM bullshit, i am pretty obv town and you know it.

beast: you certainly don't want to be on the same wagon as marquis. if you want to lynch marquis, I can help you make it happen. we can lynch the wooper scum together.



acfan is still a good option btw: i dont believe his claim at all.

This is more bullshit defense, more discrediting Jiffy, more buddying vezok. MS isn't trying to lynch scum, he's trying to lynch not him. He needs to eat a rope.

Actually fuck that majiffy has been full of shit the whole game

VOTE: titus

You have been conftowned by a lying VT

Please

1. This is a game centering around inventors, where VTs sometimes get powers like investigations. I don't for a second believe you missed mastin's flip, AC's claim, and the OP in order to not understand any of that.

2. When someone lies about an investigation, the response is not "Lynch the target of the investigation!" The response is "Lynch the person who fakeclaimed investigative!" Your thought process doesn't line up with someone who doesn't believe Jiffy.

TL;DR Saki is obvscum. Jiffy is right. APork is needing to reread Saki's recent posts. Vezok is needing to not vote a inno result.

~Jingle

[Lying Cat]

To the best of my knowledge, I have zero nonmarathon MS games completed. I'm honestly not sure how many marathons I've played with him. I'm too lazy to confirm that atm.

It seems to me, your read is based on meta that MS always plays in an antitown fashion. That is not a meta I'm just going to outsource reads to. I'm especially not going to outsource those reads to a null read and a weak townread of my hydra buddy.

[Lying Cat]

MTD is definitely scummy. I think Saki is more likely scum though.

[Lying Cat]

You could link them and if I have time I'll read them. It is doubtful I'll have time though.

[Lying Cat]

Track shot, jailkeep shot, doc shot, vig shot

There is no room for a cop shot

Are you claiming?


Z's defense of sonic is incredibly suspect.

Marquis is still adorable and town.

I still want to lynch mtd for vca and fencesitting. But we're riding the jingle train right now because it's much better than his last pick.

I for one would rather explore the wonderful world of defective jockstrap testing than read sonic meta.

Anybody who wants to lynch ac00002 or titus today is legitimately too high to be playing this game. Let us know when you're a person again.

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

Spoiler: @mollie

I am pretty sure that is a claim.

what I don't get is why you are freaking blatantly using a bullhorn to point it out instead of looking elsewhere for right now.

Because I can't tell if sonic has valuable information or is being really fucking stupid. And having him go "I got a vig shot last night but i shot it into the air because keanu reeves is so cool but thats why i think majiffy is lying" is basically zero risk plus an order of magnitude better than "i am going to vote only for people who town shouldn't want to lynch today because i didnt read the setup"

you have lost town points my friend.

I dont care. AP knows what my alignment is, and he and snork have been obvtown all game. You, on the other hand, don't even remember who you're sheeping. If you'd been reading my posts and were caught up enough that I could trust you, you'd know that I get nk'd this game and I'm way more worried about sorting the antitowns than anything else right now.

it could be perfectly conceivable that some1 gave majiffy a cop view and he viewed his scummate. I disagree with that.

Then the sane thing to do would be to LYNCH MAJIFFY. Voting Titus because you don't believe majiffy is asinine.

I am telling you that it makes sense for majiffy to view his top scumread.

I agree. And I think he did.

especially 1 we are both focused on. titus is town. I don't like how all of this has come about.

I agree.

if I am misreading majiffy then...I don't know what to say. I don't get strong townvibes from him very often. but when I do I tend to listen and try not to be obvious about it.

I agree. And I've been doing the same thing all game.

star I feel like you shld know this about our meta and you seem not to. it makes you look scummy in my eyes.

I do know that, and it's most of the reason I'm townreading you. So you just said like five things we agree on. Sooo... what are we talking about again?

if you think that reading my little talk with bulba in the last few pages was "masturbating with sandpaper", note that my meta contains ~100(?) games and it will probably be you trying to get an orgasm by shoving railroad spikes up your ass

it wont happen.

Yeah see thats what I figured. I have too much self respect to do that for less than $300 cash. I appreciate your candor.

I really feel this post is so bad even scum should feel they did something wrong when they read this. How did you post something so scummy without reading it?

Take your argument by assertion and. Fuck. Off.

How did you comment on that without reading it?

whelp, problem is, I don't want the Saki lynch so I can't really offer an alternative wagon.

GG seems intent on lynching me anyway.
ac is probably scum.
@Bulba: did you ever say why you are voting me?
PV stated it was a Poe vote, i can't really argue against that except that
@PV: you should consider rereading LC. And beast. I don't like beast.

This is town ^

^some of this is scum, the rest is dumb as shit.

cause I would prefer a scumlynched.

I am quite unsure where to

vote: myself

.

Problem solved.

mtd hopping on my wagon as a counter to him and sonic is

-sthar

[Lying Cat]

I didn't claim vig inventor GG claimed vig inventor

Don't fish fuck off

Okay so the whole "vig" thing is on sonic having a reading comp/counting/subtlety failure.

See mollie? this is why I asked. Sonic has no idea what he's talking about and it's confusing the dumbtowns.

Doesn't explain why he'd see un-cc'd prs in a semi-open setup and think "we should totally lynch that" but whatever.

Ok if youre claiming vig inventor who did you give a shot to and why did we only have one death? Why arent you playing like a vig inventor seeing only one death?

What the fuck majiffy.

You claimed you used an invention to check on titus.
Now you think there is a vig inventor.
Sorry this does not compute. Either the entire town is lying or we just need to lynch majiffy.

It's too bad we don't have a vig. There are SO MANY GOOD TARGETS.

I'm happy lynching mtd or sonic.

Where did APork go?

-sthar

[Lying Cat]

ebwop oh hey gg what up.

[Lying Cat]

I dont see the dependency. Would you care to elaborate?

[Lying Cat]

hey marquis

[Lying Cat]

hi.

i'm a bit aggravated right now.

i'm sorry. just because of the beast thing?

[Lying Cat]

Yeah that's fair. I feel like vezok thinks being confirmed town means he can just post nonsense.

And chairlizards is totally on the list. there's just so much saki and mtd to go on right now.

[Lying Cat]

I dont see the dependency. Would you care to elaborate?

The deadline. If either MTD or Saki were town this clise to the deadline, they'd vote each other as no other wagon is likely.

/still hoping for LC wagon.

Keep hoping. You're gonna need to refill that hand.

[Lying Cat]

why would a real "doc" cc that other obv scummy fakeclaimer at day 2 is beyond me

so that he can get nightkilled maybe?

The doc inventor is almost bulletproof once claimed.

[Lying Cat]

because the doc is going to only protect himself, right?

cause we have no living mason or any other PRs alive in this game

The doc targets the mason and the jk targets the doc-inventor. This is super basic shit, come on. Like, PRs 101.

Like, suggesting the doc should try for a guess on an unclaimed PR just in case the scum happen to make the same guess and ignore both the conftown and claimed source of the doc power is both incredibly scummy and unbelievably dumb.

[Lying Cat]

^ bad idea. Will explain later. No inventors give out inventions yet.

[Lying Cat]

If you are given the jailkeep from now on and the doc stays on you, that should eliminate that problem and still give us the use of the jailkeep.

This is theoretically good in a vacuum, but there are several problems.

First, scum JK-inventor means that ac00003 would die tonight, as would the existence of a roleblocker. Simply put, there is too much room for scum to manipulate that plan in their favor.
Second, we're not getting the full utility out of the inventor roles that way.

My suggestion is as follows, both ac00004 and jailkeep inventor give out the roles to members of town. Jailkeep targets ac00005, Doc targets vezok. If one of the scum gets the invention, they're forced to play along or risk getting lynched for it. The other inventors should invent up powers for their townreads, but not necessarily vezok.

This forces scum into suboptimal options: 1. Kill outside of conftown and the claimed doc. 2. Play a guessing game to hit a powerrole. Either of those is good for town.

Before any inventors give out their inventions, I would like everyone to check this plan for broken logic.

Whatever our cop power is should clear ac00006 tonight if possible.

[Lying Cat]

Ehh, I'll vote Saki in a while. I want to wait and make sure there's nothing plan-wise first, and he already has 4 votes by my count.

This is me saying lets totally lynch Saki. Let's just talk about other things first.

Bulb, what about my saki case reminds you of Virus Alert, specifically. I remember shitty cases and easy to manipulate newbtown, then almost getting screwed over by replacements. I'm not sure what that has to do with my play here.

Try this if you don't understand the VC's:



I learned all of the science I know from that series.

[Lying Cat]

Haven't read everything yet, but I received 2 inventions last night.

Jailkept Vezok

WHY!!!!

p-edit oh you didnt read the thread first. still but i guess it makes sense.

I'd really like for LC to explain what is wrong with PV's plan.

PV's plan is for AC00007 to get shot. Please don't be

another

idiot conftown.

[Lying Cat]

Whatever our cop power is should clear ac00006 tonight if possible.

Fucking please? I'd also be a good target.

[Lying Cat]

Can you.. translate that to english please?

Sure thing bro.

But seriously, whoever gets the investigation tonight needs to check on AC00008 or me.

I guess I need explainations how you keep coming with posts that hit my radar

Maybe you're using GADAR instead?

[Lying Cat]

Prod dodge? I'm in seattle so I'll be around just limited access.

Come visit me! I'll be at the store until at least 3am, and its only a four hour drive.

talk to me about this 1. star sneaks past me as scum EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. I wanna say town but I swear to god whenever he is scum I am like his first townread and since I was off about titus I am trying to reset here.

Cause that's totally what happened in desp's last game

Look at my play, look at the playerlist. Realize there is no way I don't get nightkilled. Stop wasting time on this.

Sonic is obviously lynchbait, but how do you tell when he actually rolls scum?

I'm perfectly willing to admit that my reads have been terrible this game. I should have seen the mastin thing, and I didn't. I dunno what was up with mtd. I'm gonna be super pissed if I let you all talk me out of a legitimate wicked scumread. But at this point I just kinda want to play follow the cop and break the game with PRs.

On that note, I think the track-inventor should target vezok today. How does everybody feel about that?

I'll be at work (and therefore sorta around) until probably five tomorrow morning. After that, I'm packing bags and leaving for camp.I'll be gone until next saturday or sunday. I'm leaving it up to Jingle whether he needs to do any v/la, but you guys are stuck with him for a while.

-sthar

[Lying Cat]

You're being an idiot.

[Lying Cat]

apologies, that was rude. I should have qualified:

"You're either being an idiot, or you're scum."

[Lying Cat]

Build a counter case that disapproves mine instead of babbling about my idiocy

WHAT CASE YOU FUCKING CORN GOBLIN!

All you've presented were a bunch of naked assertions. I was gonna post quotes from your ISO, but it's so fucking vapid that it made me nauseous thinking about it.

As far as I can tell, this is the totality of your case against me

I am not even very plugged into the game but even I know that it would be a waste he is like conftown.

You've voted me twice over having not read the setup. Cut your shit please.

also star we were both town in desp's game I just mislynched you but I like how you insinuate that I caught you as scum

I insinuated that I sometimes townread you legitimately. You said that when I'm scum I townread you.

I don't think it's a good idea to give the only investigative ability to a player with a target on his back during the night. Although, maybe if he was doc'd...

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you high? Does the cop role impose a post restriction on the target that they're not allowed to read the game anymore? Or do you just have to post like you have brain damage?

Can the conftowns stop being morons for just a minute please?

[Lying Cat]

Also ETL I'm going to light you on fire. If the belgian can accept that I'm town, you fucking can too.

[Lying Cat]

Is that jingle cause jingle is te nasty one

0/2

[Lying Cat]

^scum

I find it glorious that you think that cos that isn't why I am voting you.

I find it

depressing

that you are alive on day 2 without having read the setup post.

I find it

infuriating

that you somehow think we need

more

spammy vacuous argument-by-assertion bullshit when we're already putting up with that crap from at least three other players.

And if you're

trying

to piss me off to get a read on me, I find it

incredible

that you don't realize how

terrible

and

stupid

that is.

but we know vezok is conftown and yet you are ignoring that star wants to track vezok.

You should be embarrassed by this shit. Where did I say that anyone should track vezok? Can you at least read my posts before you misquote me?

Hey lets look at the last time you voted me:

Spoiler:

I am pretty sure that is a claim.

what I don't get is why you are freaking blatantly using a bullhorn to point it out instead of looking elsewhere for right now.

you have lost town points my friend.

and fuck that

VOTE: lying thing

it could be perfectly conceivable that some1 gave majiffy a cop view and he viewed his scummate. I disagree with that.

I am telling you that it makes sense for majiffy to view his top scumread.

especially 1 we are both focused on. titus is town. I don't like how all of this has come about.

if I am misreading majiffy then...I don't know what to say. I don't get strong townvibes from him very often. but when I do I tend to listen and try not to be obvious about it.

star I feel like you shld know this about our meta and you seem not to. it makes you look scummy in my eyes.

Oh right! That was when you scumread me for

not

sucking air through a fucking huge trepanning wound! Because somehow realizing that sonic's setup spec was based on unicorn farts and heroin rather than any kind of recognizable reality makes me informed minority, especially if the information I deduced is

the only information in the setup scum has no access to.

It's truly astounding to see so many theoretically competent players repeatedly shitting the bed this game. There are maybe three players on the whole list who aren't viable policy lynches. Between "I use rng to determine my nightactions!" and "I don't read action claims!" and "i'm not claiming my power role at l-1 because I dont feel like it!" and "I only want to lynch conftowns!" I have no idea what the fuck you're all thinking. "Too stupid to be scum" is not a valid playstyle.

I'm going away for a week, so by all means climb onto the wagon because Jingle won't yell at you as hard as I will. But don't forget your helmets, and you better fucking hope that you leave someone with a brain alive to sort the PR info.

VOTE: Saki

I can't tell if this is a policy lynch or not. Whatever.

Cop-inventor, ac00009, and JK-inventor all need to target town reads. Track-inventor should target vezok. Doc should protect vezok, jk should protect ac00010. Cop should target ac00011 or me (ac00012 is optimal but idfc anymore). I would say vezok should use his judgement, but he's proven that unviable. So vezok should try to imagine who a rational town player would target and do that. I think that should maximize information gain and minimize risk. Hopefully that clears enough people to make the game breakable, because I don't see how else we win.

Good luck.

p-edit Hi vezok! Can you get yourself modkilled or replaced please?

FUCKING GODDAMMIT FUCK YOU I'M AT WORK AT 3AM

[Lying Cat]

omg so it was sthar who posted that...


how can sthar be so mean i thought only jingle was mean

such an unfriendly playerslot/hydra

I have no idea where you got that idea. Jingle's actually the nice one, I'm the pretty one. I'm even usually a whole lot nicer when I'm in hydra with him than when I'm not. But I have a very low tolerance for unapologetic ineptitude, and if mollie and Z are town they are straight up just throwing the game.

Also Jingle's totally been nice all game. He was like "sure i'll read ms meta!" and I was like "i'd rather get lobotomized by a dildo!" Remember?

And marquis is probtown. Plus jiffy's one of the few players actually using his brain this game, and jingle agrees with him on you. And Jingle's in charge for this dp.

Sonic, are you like 16? Serious question.

[Lying Cat]

Cop-inventor, ac00009, and JK-inventor all need to target town reads. Track-inventor should target vezok. Doc should protect vezok, jk should protect ac00010. Cop should target ac00011 or me (ac00012 is optimal but idfc anymore).

No this is messed up. If jk protects ac1019273 then he is unable to use the cop invention. So the cop maker should just give it to a town read. Since the townread is anonymous/random it's likely the cop will go through

Right that's what I said. AC00013 isn't getting the cop ability, he's getting targetted by whoever does. We need to confirm that he's not a scum backup, because his role is amazing if conftown.

[Lying Cat]

I had to read your post to mollie 3 times over before I could get a read.

I dunno about how well jingle is doing for ms meta because he probably would rather get lobotomies by a dildo but didn't want to post that and be sarcastic. At least you are straightforward.


I'm having you as townish but I'm have jingle as pretty bad scum. Usually I give the slot a town read in this case, (1 head towns 1 head scummy = still towny), which is why I'm voting and pushing marquis the obvscum.

Links for marquis case? I just don't see it.

I don't like your vote on me because those are irritating so Id rather you put it on marquiscum but if you are going to use the excuse of 'jingle owns this so he owns my vote' then I am going to feel a bit slighted and consider that jingle functionally has my vote on him too

Well, I'm gonna be gone for most of the rest of the day so he needs to be in charge of the vote. You can take that up with him; I'll be relaxing at camp.

Yes I am 16 exactly. Why?

Thought so. Behavioral tells. I'll talk with Jingle about it before I leave.

p-edit:

That day... No quotes were given.
Well I guess its your choice. But I am not moving my vote cus I am not convinced.

No fuck you. YOU HAVE PRESENTED NO FUCKING CASE. Don't pull this argument by assertion shit and pretend it's my choice to not respond, like you've made some point I can't refute. Calling you a moron is a valid response to you insisting that I respond to a case that only exists in your head.

[Lying Cat]

Just a goddamn link would be fine. IT. DOESNT. EXIST.

You don't get to complain about repeating things you HAVENT SAID YET.

[Lying Cat]

@ 2833- Sure, I get that. I'm not expecting a PBPA or anything. But "because I said so" isn't a valid argument, and you'll notice that some people (mollie) have really shitty reasons behind the votes that they insist are good. So probably if you want more votes you're going to have to make some kind of argument...

And Z is creating a narrative argument in which I'm repeatedly chastised for not responding to his "case," which of course I can't do because it doesn't exist.

I need to talk to Jingle when its not 430 am. There will be a (very brief) window for that before I leave tomorrow.

[Lying Cat]

ehhh who am i kidding?

a good catch is a good catch. who do you think is scum; I'll take those into consideration given your skills. i don't want jingle reads i want sthar authentic reads cause they are probably good

uh and you must be town first so yes

I need to cool down first, and I've been awake for 20 hours. Right now I want to lynch the shit out of mollie and z for being dumb; that rarely works out.

We'll see how I feel in the morning.

[Lying Cat]

Z is probably just scum.

[Lying Cat]

but thats a proficiency read argh

[Lying Cat]

I'm gonna do some chart work. I'll be here for a few hours, so if you want to run me up to l-1 we could do that. if not I'll leave jingle notes jic.

[Lying Cat]

marquis ily

[Lying Cat]

Oh and sthar please leave my wagon so that majiffy can be a 1 man power wagon again

It would be very funny

please hold. jingle and i are discussing. i just lost a huge post to internet vagaries.

[Lying Cat]

I'm not going to declare V/LA with so little time left in the day, but be aware that I will likely be both grumpy and tired whenever I have a chance to post. I'm willing to trust sthar8 on MS for now, although the bastard never told me why him being 16 lead to a townread other than "It's not 4 in the morning anymore and I'm still thinking the same thing." I'll sheep the GG onto the ZZZX for now.

VOTE: ZZZX

[Lying Cat]

I have a mild townread on marquis. Sthar8 assures me that you're somehow town, although he didn't have time to tell me why before leaving, so I'm willing to wait until tomorrow to hash that out with him. GG has been my strongest townread all game, and they're syncing on ZZZX, who I find null. Yeah, I'm willing to put my vote there over an inexplicable townread my V/LA partner seems pretty sure of.

Mollie is my biggest scumread right now, but sthar8 has experience reading her and I was giving him time to see where he got there. I'm also not going to be able to put forth the time or effort to get her lynched today. PV is not scum if ac000014 is town, which should be known tomorrow. Jiffy was townish, and I'm in agreement with him on Saki, but I'm forbidden from trusting myself on that. Bulb is town if PV is, also something that should be solved tonight.

I'd like to hear the gunsmiths explain their reasoning more on Beast. I haven't seen anything particularly town from him, and Marquis is making a fairly solid point.

With that said, I'm totally satisfied on a vote on a null slot with as many town reads as I have. There are 13 living players, meaning we have a couple of mislynches left to us, and a coplike role. I'm not really going to fight hard to get a specific lynch when this game is so PoEable.

[Lying Cat]

i'm going to play a drinking game tonight.

i'll go backwards through the thread and take a drink for every hydra slip.

i'm now taking bets on when i'll die of ethanol poisoning. i think it's going to be around page 50.

bonus points if you can predict when i'll piss my pants.

You never yelled at me when I hydra slipped. I'm ignoring you until you do.

[Lying Cat]

@ETL- You're making me laugh today. You should know better than anyone that I like to make sthar8 do all the posting when we hydra. He's just the more charismatic of the two of us and we can usually stand around and discuss reads long enough that we have the same or a similar position. In this case, I've been told I can't vote Saki, but not why I can't vote Saki. I want to see your reasoning on charizard because you've been my strongest townread all game and I want to know your logic. There is nothing there to trap you, I promise.

PV is town if AC000015 is. There is no way that scum got the JK after I told the JK to target AC, targeted someone else, and didn't kill AC. That's why a cop inno on AC will clear PV. Still totally advocating a cop on AC000016.

I'm at L-1 right now, and in the interest of expediency, I'm just gonna go ahead and claim.

We are the Tracker inventor, Deuterated Methanol.

[Lying Cat]

see you in hell then

Not an insult.

[Lying Cat]

I'm at work and don't have time for a big post

[Lying Cat]

I can't vote him today. Sthar8 seemed pretty damned sure

[Lying Cat]

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie- Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.
Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

[Lying Cat]

Yea I fully understand your gratitude of getting your invention from them 2 nights in a row. It wants. You to automatically want to read them town


As an outside observer

Jingle is scummy af

And you should read them as if the claim never happened because looking at it objectively it isn t alignment indicative

Except it is. Like, seriously, how is tracker inventor a useful role for scum in this game. It isn't. They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase. There is no reason for scum to have the tracker invent. Just like there was no reason for scum to have the doc-invent without a vig in the game.

[Lying Cat]

I'm at work and don't have time for a big post

Then make the other one post. There's two of you. No reason for fucking lurking unless you are scum.

Sthar8 is off in the woods teaching kids to burn down forests and stab themselves with sharp implements (summer camp.) You're stuck with me, and I'm close to sitelurking atm because RL, which you might remember from SC's game, and working all of sthar8's hours this week.

You should know better than anyone that I like to make sthar8 do all the posting when we

hydra

roll scum.

FTFY.

also. i hate you.

UNVOTE:

Except that the only game where I didn't lurk to some extent as LC was Watch Your Step where sthar8 basically only claimed scum and I was a universal enough townread that I got shot anyway. No, I'm never going to stop bringing it up. It was hilarious. And also you love me, so stop lying to yourself.

[Lying Cat]

UNVOTE:

jingle if you guys are town then why are ignoring me except to say that I am your top scumread yet

there is no fucking interaction from you

.

you aren't giving reasons as to why you think i am scum and it just looks like you are riding on the dissonance between you and star wrt your read on me.

this is a reach out. engage with me. talk to me. cos right now i am finding pretty freaking hard to see you as town.

I also think that marquis's softclaim is shit. I am seeing too many similarities to quick lynch and I wish you people would listen to me on it and help me sort him out other than saki. saki's push on marquis makes him seem more town in my eyes cos scum metal doesn't push THIS hard he certainly didn't do it in xeno2. he really believes that marquis is scum and I have say to that I am coming around and a marquis/cat creatures makes sense as scummates.

you know who else fits in this picture? WICKED. who has suddenly disappeared during this shitstorm.

No real dissonance here, actually. I think you're scum, and sthar8 wanted to let you post more because "She reminds me of Faith +1." Like, a whole dayphase ago. We haven't talked about you recently. Still, I'm a pretty chill guy. Let's talk. Why are you so gung ho about MS being town when:

also metal is lynchbait and every1 knows this. it is why i have no plans on lynching him. ever. majiffy is making arguments which apply to any1 but metal. I haven't played against scummetal before but if he could do a "<3 mollie" as scum and not fear for his eternal soul then I just don't know what to do.

Is there some magical pill I can take that'll let me tell someone's town and scum games apart having never seen one of them?

[Lying Cat]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

Sure. Say I give a scum the track. There are 5 night actions (unless I'm really missing something here). Scum can track:

The Doc.
The Cop.
The Nightkill.
The Track.
The JK.

Normally, for scum, tracking the doc, cop, or JK would be good utility because now you know that that player has a PR, and you can murder the shit out of them the next night. With inventors, however, that player is not a PR, and instead was just chosen for that night. They will almost certainly claim the action immediately the next day. Scum has gained 0 information. They can't even use it to give a scumbuddy an innocent, because in the event that track innos mean anything (one scum remaining) then scum can't choose to track themselves. It is useless as a scum role.

[Lying Cat]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

Sure. Say I give a scum the track. There are 5 night actions (unless I'm really missing something here). Scum can track:

The Doc.
The Cop.
The Nightkill.
The Track.
The JK.

Normally, for scum, tracking the doc, cop, or JK would be good utility because now you know that that player has a PR, and you can murder the shit out of them the next night. With inventors, however, that player is not a PR, and instead was just chosen for that night. They will almost certainly claim the action immediately the next day. Scum has gained 0 information. They can't even use it to give a scumbuddy an innocent, because in the event that track innos mean anything (one scum remaining) then scum can't choose to track themselves. It is useless as a scum role.

If you target a common lynch target and found him moving you can frame him to be scum hard. Cant you?

No. Because tracking doc or JK to the kill is impossible and tracking the cop to the kill wouldn't give a hard guilty, because that cop would be the only one to claim a cop action.

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie- Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.
Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

So let me read this right. Since you cant read me at all lynching me si the key? You are one confusing thing. We were on me yet you left your scum reads and sheaped on me? And you town read marquis yet you want him lynched.? What the serious fuck dude.

I'd lynch anyone off of that first list, but Marquis is the one I'd like least. Sthar8 is hard town-reading MS, and told me I wasn't allowed to vote him before he left town, so moving from him to you wasn't a hard choice at all.

[Lying Cat]

AC000018 is off the table for today, as is Saki. I'd be fine with ZZ or Beast though. I'll get around to addressing mollie and wagon analysis tonight.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: beastcharizard

Acceptable. ETL, join us.

[Lying Cat]

Hey mollie. I am like 99.9999% certain LC is town. I see what you're saying about the interaction but it's not uncommon for town to form reads based on posts wihh othersrather than exclusively interaction. Would you disagree with that? I think you and I play similarly in that regard where we rely on interaction to get reads, but not everyone does.

Landslide beast votes are making me nervous, but I think it's just acfan/marquis.

Mollie what exactly are you thinking wrt beast? Would you lynch marquis or acfan today instead? Also I still dont get where wicked comes in there.

AC000019 is less on the table than I am. It doesn't matter if you're scumreading him, he needs to get copped. FFS ETL, HE'S A DOC AND WE HAVE A COP TO INVESTIGATE HIM.

[Lying Cat]

Spoiler: I'm not formatting this wall because IDGAF

Hey mollie. I am like 99.9999% certain LC is town. I see what you're saying about the interaction but it's not uncommon for town to form reads based on posts wihh othersrather than exclusively interaction. Would you disagree with that? I think you and I play similarly in that regard where we rely on interaction to get reads, but not everyone does.

Landslide beast votes are making me nervous, but I think it's just acfan/marquis.

Mollie what exactly are you thinking wrt beast? Would you lynch marquis or acfan today instead? Also I still dont get where wicked comes in there.

AC000019 is less on the table than I am. It doesn't matter if you're scumreading him, he needs to get copped. FFS ETL, HE'S A DOC AND WE HAVE A COP TO INVESTIGATE HIM.

hey cat things I am right here!

I can see that. I just got off work, and now have the time to deal with your ridiculous bullshit, so we can play with your dancing.

Hey mollie. I am like 99.9999% certain LC is town. I see what you're saying about the interaction but it's not uncommon for town to form reads based on posts wihh othersrather than exclusively interaction.

okay. but I have been trying to force cat things to

1. get jingle to justify his read on me
2. at least get him to interact with me and he is doing neither.

scum either cozy up to me or avoid me like the plague cos I tend to get super emotional and it makes them look bad.

look at what jingle is doing.

Would you disagree with that? I think you and I play similarly in that regard where we rely on interaction to get reads, but not everyone does.

I agree with you here, however town WILL at least interact with their scumreads even if it to push them and jingle isn't doing that. star is, but he interacting with me as if he thinks that I am town. it is like jingle is forcing an empty read on me while not pushing it all and waiting for star to tell him what to do cos I am pretty lynchable at this point due to lack of engagement on my part on d2. which was when I was moving to a different city. and this was said. plenty of times.

and it seems like he trying to keep me at arms length cos I am doing everything I can to get close to them. like I am not sure what else I can do at this point.

Landslide beast votes are making me nervous, but I think it's just acfan/marquis.

Mollie what exactly are you thinking wrt beast? Would you lynch marquis or acfan today instead? Also I still dont get where wicked comes in there.

first part: I am pretty sure that cat things hopped on too. I am trying to sort marquis. I want him to answer my questions about his selfmeta. cos I am seeing something different than what he is trying to put forth.

that ac thing is doing nothing for me. I can't tell if he is newbtown or newbscum he confuses me

I've been half a step above V/LA this entire game. I'm currently working two people's schedules, and I don't have the time to post at work this week. With that said, I have brought up issues with your play, and asked you questions. You've responded to them with... Oh right, more ATE and a crapton of "Jingle's not interacting with me!!! I feel so left out!!!" I'm sorry that I'm the center of your universe, but the feeling isn't mutual. And damn right I'm voting beast. I'm being pretty open about who I'm willing to lynch today. Beast is definitely one of those.

if I am right I about catthings/marquis/wicked being a scumteam (I am unsure on the fourth) I want every1 to promise to listen to my reads from now on in future games cos they are usually pretty good!

AC000018 is off the table for today, as is Saki. I'd be fine with ZZ or Beast though.

I'll get around to addressing mollie and wagon analysis tonight.

wtf

you had all last night and today to address my points in fact you have had all game to interact with me and you haven't except to cough up a "mollie is my top scumread but I am not going to vote her or interact with her cos it might make me look scummy!" after I started to push your lynch when I was a townread before.

wtf do i have to do in order to get scum lynched?

I mean srsly do I have to roam around and panhandle in order to get you people to seee the light?

@ etl

if I am wrong about those cat things then I will sheep your reads. I understand that you have personal reasons for thinking they are town but ffs

look at what they are doing wrt their interactions with me

. I have felt like you guyz have been obvtown since d1 altho I had my moment with the mastinatown flip cos I felt like after tails ap would have a better grasp of mastina by now. you are for sure town now so why aren't you dead? it is cos I think that scum are pivoting their game around you. I am alive cos I am still lynchable even tho I shldn't be and i would like for anybody who has experience with scumme to justify a scumread on me.

*crickets*

there are what 5 players in this game that know my scumgame? the only 1 who is scumreading me is jingle and his push has all of the imeptus as a flaccid licorice stick. but watch him wait things out to see where town herd mentality goes in order to push a weak case on me so that he can be rid of the burden of nking me. cos I am not going to shut up about this.


@ majiffy

you are wrong about metal like you were about mastina. I just wish for once in a game you would listen to me.

just once.

eta: a bunch of xposts

You can go ahead and fuck off on this one. When I am at work, working, I do not have the time to engage in anybody. I know that may seem like a foreign concept, but some people have things called lives where there are things they have to do. I'd assume you'd realize that with all of your bitching about how difficult moving is, but apparently you don't.

I'm not pushing a case on you because I don't have the time or energy that it would take to get you lynched today. I'm not pushing a case at all because I don't have the time or energy to get you lynched today. We can watch you hang tomorrow.

I like the implication here that I have some vast knowledge of your meta or you have some vast knowledge of my meta, though. Antihero Reboot was the only game we've played in IIRC, and I lurked the shit out of that game.

also vezo shld be in your list don't touch town category I mean he is a confmason so why is he not in that place?

that's covered under conftown/solved through prs

that IS NOT how jingle stacked his reasons and it is obvious

eta: can you guyz stfu for millisecond

Actually, that IS how I organized my reads. Group 1 is who I want to lynch. Group 2 isn't ever going to be on the table unless guilties are given. Group 3 is townreads that won't be on the table without some pretty fantastic evidence. Thank you again for proving that you're not even trying to read what I say though.

Lying cat

Please vote marquis with me. Your 'soft townread' probably doesn't hold

I am being hard townread by your partner. Assuming I am town, now remember that I have played many games with marquis and know his play from back to front. He is scum.

Beast is also in this position, except less trustable so his credibility isn't there but point stands that

THOSE WHO HAVE MARQUIS META ARE READING HIM AS SOLID SCUM.


(Except zzzx. He is a fool. Don't lynch him.)

I don't think that beast and marquis are both scum. you need to get those thoughts out of your head right now. I have been trying to figure out between the 2 which 1 is scum and I am leaning towards marquis altho beast looked terribad but then I don't know beast and in which case mebbe they don't look bad for him. what I am trying to say is this reminds me so much of quicklynchscummarquis but I am wondering why you don't see it, instead you seem to be pushing extraneous points.

WAFFLE WAFFLE WAFFLE WAFFLE WAFFLE WAFFLE. I'm sorry, was this AP talking? Cause I'm pretty sure you just said absolutely nothing. You seem to be posting here just to be posting and your read on beast adds up to scum, but I'm not going to vote him because lack of meta.

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie-

Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.

Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

I asked you a question mebbe we can start there???

I wanna know why you think I am scum cos you have given zero reasons on why. nor have you interacted with me even tho if you sincerely think that I am scum you should be interacting with me in order to show other people as to why I am scum. you aren't doing this. instead you are screeching "you're scum" while last I checked star had a townread on me like the dissonance is awful and is why I am scumreading you.

and I am not even 1 to go after dissonance cos I have it so much with most of my hydra partners. but this is reminding me so very much of reboot it isn't even funny. you pulled this same shit in that game. star got busy in that game for a bit and then you went after what I guess you perceive as weak players or something until he started posting again.

it is the same shit all over again.

also vezo shld be in your list don't touch town category I mean he is a confmason so why is he not in that place? it looks like you are just trying to play to crowd and when I say crowd I mean etl. the hole inside your whole "a tracker inventor cannot be scum!" theory is that it works the same regardless of alignment; scum are given a head's up as to who is most likely regarded as town and control the game through

that

perspective it seems much more elegant for scum to have that role than for town to have 2 investigative roles or mebbe like always I just don't understand how you people do things here. it just seems too town sided.

so no, I do not believe your claim. but I am going to give it some time to percolate a bit cos I wanna see who is staying away from you or might be bussing you. did I mention that there were a mason pair? and oh yeah marquis is softclaiming too? yeah your role DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and fuck anybody who tries to say it does.

but jingle you wanted to dance.



lets dance. cos I am on to you.

I'm sorry, I just bolded the reasons you quoted. What was that thing about you intentionally ignoring content of my posting. Also, what the fuck information does a scum tracker give other than the information that gets claimed immediately after the fucking thread opens when everyone claims their night actions? Are you being intentionally dense, or are you just an idiot?

UNVOTE:

jingle if you guys are town then why are ignoring me except to say that I am your top scumread yet

there is no fucking interaction from you

.

you aren't giving reasons as to why you think i am scum and it just looks like you are riding on the dissonance between you and star wrt your read on me.

this is a reach out. engage with me. talk to me. cos right now i am finding pretty freaking hard to see you as town.

I also think that marquis's softclaim is shit. I am seeing too many similarities to quick lynch and I wish you people would listen to me on it and help me sort him out other than saki. saki's push on marquis makes him seem more town in my eyes cos scum metal doesn't push THIS hard he certainly didn't do it in xeno2. he really believes that marquis is scum and I have say to that I am coming around and a marquis/cat creatures makes sense as scummates.

you know who else fits in this picture? WICKED. who has suddenly disappeared during this shitstorm.

This looks exactly like scum realizing the lynch pool is narrowing too quickly for them to have a chance. Oh, and mollie, here's that interaction that you never responded to. Could you maybe get to that in between your bouts of insanity? I'm really fucking interested in what I'm missing that makes MS town.

UNVOTE:

jingle if you guys are town then why are ignoring me except to say that I am your top scumread yet

there is no fucking interaction from you

.

you aren't giving reasons as to why you think i am scum and it just looks like you are riding on the dissonance between you and star wrt your read on me.

this is a reach out. engage with me. talk to me. cos right now i am finding pretty freaking hard to see you as town.

I also think that marquis's softclaim is shit. I am seeing too many similarities to quick lynch and I wish you people would listen to me on it and help me sort him out other than saki. saki's push on marquis makes him seem more town in my eyes cos scum metal doesn't push THIS hard he certainly didn't do it in xeno2. he really believes that marquis is scum and I have say to that I am coming around and a marquis/cat creatures makes sense as scummates.

you know who else fits in this picture? WICKED. who has suddenly disappeared during this shitstorm.

No real dissonance here, actually. I think you're scum, and sthar8 wanted to let you post more because "She reminds me of Faith +1." Like, a whole dayphase ago. We haven't talked about you recently. Still, I'm a pretty chill guy. Let's talk. Why are you so gung ho about MS being town when:

also metal is lynchbait and every1 knows this. it is why i have no plans on lynching him. ever. majiffy is making arguments which apply to any1 but metal. I haven't played against scummetal before but if he could do a "<3 mollie" as scum and not fear for his eternal soul then I just don't know what to do.

Is there some magical pill I can take that'll let me tell someone's town and scum games apart having never seen one of them?

[Lying Cat]

Catching up now. There are two things I don't understand.

1. What's the deal with this whole Auntie Ethyl thing? I didn't see anything relevant in Titus's role pm that Antihero posted.

2. Why did Lying Cat say this;

PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.

Titus saw Titus things, and turned it into a search for ethyl, which is an organic compound that may or may not be marquis.

PV is town if AC000020 is town, because otherwise scum would have had the protective role that was directed towards AC and the ability to stop someone from acting, meaning they had an excellent chance to try to kill AC000021. If AC000022 is town, scum could not pass up that opportunity, because he's virtually an unkillable townie if we can confirm him. Y'know, with whatever the cop is.

Geeze, pay attention.

[Lying Cat]

In post 556, Snork wrote:
plus wicked is moss and he gets points for that.


Snork told me his celebrity crush is Gary Busey.

Lol, I just remembered this. ETL likes Gary Busey.

[Lying Cat]

This is Jingle. Sthar8 has been gone since last Sunday and will not post until the next dayphase. I don't think you're town, but giving me a justification to why you're so sure on your meta read would be a start on making me reconsider.

[Lying Cat]

Acyloin Condensation

Vote Count 1.11

Doduo - 3 (BipolarChemist, beastcharizard, PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (ZZZX)
Lying Cat - 4 (Guilty Gunsmith, mastin2, MTD, Titus)
mastin2 - 2 (Wickedestjr, Doduo)
Majiffy - 1 (Majiffy)
Titus - 3 (pirate mollie, vezokpiraka, Perpetual Nonsense)
Wickedestjr - 1 (Lying Cat)

Not Voting: Bulbazak, Speedy Saki

9 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-16 21:06:01).

Implies Marquis town because scum aren't jumping to push a different wagon.

Hyperconjugation

Hyperconjugation is the interaction of the electrons in a sigma bond (usually C–H or C–C) with an adjacent empty (or partially filled) non-bonding p-orbital, antibonding π orbital, or filled π orbital, to give an extended molecular orbital that increases the stability of the system. Only electrons in bonds that are β to the positively charged carbon can stabilize a carbocation by hyperconjugation.

Vote Count 1.15

Marquis - 3 (beastcharizard, PeregrineV, Speedy Saki)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (ZZZX)
Lying Cat - 7 (mastin2, MTD, Titus, Marquis, ac1983fan, Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka)
mastin2 - 1 (Wickedestjr)
Titus - 2 (pirate mollie, Majiffy)
Wickedestjr - 1 (Lying Cat)
ZZZX - 1 (Guilty Gunsmith)

Not Voting: Bulbazak

9 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-16 21:06:01).

I don't think this was an all town wagon, which would point to marquis or ac000023. We'll know for sure on ac000024 tonight.

Petasis Reaction

The Petasis Reaction is a multicomponent reaction (MCR) that enables the preparation of amines and their derivatives such as α-amino acids.

The reaction is also referred to as the Boronic Acid Mannich Reaction, since it proceeds via an imine with the organic ligand of the boronic acid acting as the nucleophile, similar to the role of the enolizable ketone component in the original Mannich Reaction.

Vote Count 2.13

Bulbazak - 1 (Wickedestjr)
Lying Cat - 2 (pirate mollie, MTD)
MTD - 5 (PeregrineV, Guilty Gunsmith, Bulbazak, ac1983fan, vezokpiraka)
Speedy Saki - 5 (Marquis, Titus, Majiffy, beastcharizard, Lying Cat)
Titus - 1 (Speedy Saki)

Not Voting: ZZZX

Bulba is V/LA until July 7

8 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-07-06 16:33:43).

Evidence in my eyes for Saki scum, but I need to figure out what sthar8 saw before I can go any farther down that hole.

More recent voting patterns have me leaning ZZZX and Mollie.

PEdit: I heard that MS made up Saki in order to pretend to have a hydra. Pass it on.

[Lying Cat]

I'm too lazy to do a more in depth analysis. If you want more VCA, I'd suggest doing it yourself, ETL.

[Lying Cat]

anti you didn't post a picture how do I know the right Google image result now

whichever one gives you the most malware, marquis.

keep looking!

I learned all of the science I know from that series.

@6:25



sweet dreams, kids

Pretty sure it's this one.

[Lying Cat]

Okay, Bulb. Explain to me why scum Tracker inventor would be a role in this setup.

[Lying Cat]

Okay, Bulb. Explain to me why scum Tracker inventor would be a role in this setup.

Because the mod specifically said that any of the inventors could be town or scum, so you trying to say "Why would X type of inventor be scum?" is a stupid justification. The biggest reason would be night control. You can either give the track to town who you think you can outsmart, and therefore go for the town cred based on you giving the track to town,

or you can use the track for information purposes

. Personally, I think the former is the best use for scum. Consequently, it looks like the inventors were split up into 2 investigative and 2 protective. By your logic, all the investigative inventors should be town, right, since they are of no use to scum? Would that make the protective inventors scum by default (Impossible given the Mastin town flip.)? What about the backup? I just think trying to clear yourself by saying "Hey look, I'm an inventor!" is stupid and highly scum motivated.

The bolded is blatantly wrong, as I've explained. The rest is stupid. In order of utility for scum, the claimed PR's are as follows: JK, Backup, Tracker, Doc. The unclaimed PR could be anything, as we haven't reached the point where enough people have seen it to guarantee it isn't a scum gambit, but even if it is an investigative, every investigative I can think about is more scum utility than tracker here because of the ability to claim false innocents.

bulba why do you think cat creatures are scum?

I explained this earlier in the day, but I'm seeing very surface scumhunting coming from them. They are not looking at motivation or intent, but they're looking at nitpicky elements, as if to find something they can latch onto and push it, without considering the implications. This was apparent in their treatment of MS d2. They tried to gig him on the white knight comment, when a simple understanding of MS's thought process would have shown that the words he was using and what he meant were not matching. MS had no idea how to match concepts to phrases, and LC was taking advantage of that at the end of the day to push that lynch through. Jingle's play in that regard also reminded me of the Newbie game I modded that Jingle played, as he was not an active poster, but yet took his time when he actually did post. His posts were created to push an agenda, and that's what I saw him doing at the end of d2 with the MS push. I also think they're overplaying the V/LA thing. Do I think they're faking the V/LA? No, but I do think they're overplaying it and using the absence to their advantage. I've also noticed them focusing less on scumhunting this day phase, and more on setup and night discussion. Add to that the whole "I can't be scum, because I'm an inventor." garbage, and I think they're trying to grab towncred based on night actions.

I can admit that my addressing of his 'whiteknighting' was poorly handled, but at best he was attempting to grab towncred there for defending mastin, which is so obvious in it's scum motivation as to be ridiculous. As to the similarity to the newbie game, I simply don't see it. I usually take my time when I'm making posts, as either alignment.

Of course I'm focusing on Setup and Night action spec, I think the game is breakable. Go ahead and ask someone who knows me, I like setup spec. I thrive in setup spec. It's half the reason I play mafia. Even if you think I'm scum, you should at least be interested in breaking the game.

How about this, I've already submitted my tracker for today, but I'll give it to conftown tomorrow. At worst you're leashing me and getting town utility out of my role. At best I'm actually town (Hint: I am) and I don't get myslynched. Unless you'd like to make a case as to why Beast is town or why I'm not actually a tracker inventor.

[Lying Cat]

honestly

tracker inventor seems to be useless for town and scum

maybe for town, if they are lucky they can track the scum to the nightkill (1/17 chance)

for scum, i dunno, check if people are lying about where they sent their inventions or something? or maybe if some inventor public claim a target, can intercept?


sounds pretty useless in the game for either alignment now that i think about it

You are assuming random chance AND every player being alive. Town utility for a tracker goes up drastically as time goes by. It even gives hard innocents if we get 3 town flips. Scum literally can't afford to have both a tracker and a cop or pseudocop active, so they will kill me tonight. Regardless of that, I still want both protectives on vezok and AC000025, as discussed earlier. That is town utility.

Also, mollie, I'd still like to interact with you RE: MS and your townread. I'm not pushing him. I just want a justification.

[Lying Cat]

^Three scum flips. Sorry.

[Lying Cat]

LC is town because, and we've already gone over this, there is 0 reason for scum tracker inventor. Also, we were mollie's push for literally the entire game, soooo. Jiffy is almost 100% cleared in our eyes because of APork's obvious in retrospect crumb and Apork not dying fairly immediately after giving Jiffy the investigate. Perv is similarly clear, but to a lesser extent. Mollie's flip means Wicked isn't scum based on claiming the action, but he's not cleared.

Marquis
Lying Cat- conftown
Majiffy- 90% town
ZZZX- Scum tracked to kill
vezokpiraka -conftown
Speedy Saki
PeregrineV -probs town (75%).
Bulbazak - Conf Town
Wickedestjr

Assuming Marquis and Saki are not scumbuddies, that means scum team was {Mollie, ZZZZZX, Wicked {One of Saki/Marquis}}

Saki's fuckup with the action makes me lean towards him.

Also, going forward tracker claims their action last.

Any questions or flaws in my reasoning?

[Lying Cat]

Also, we have enough conf or close enough town that I'm not claiming my tracker target. I believe all powers should be given within {Me, VP, PV, Jiffy, Bulb}, but wait until I've had a chance to talk to sthar8 before we're sure there.

[Lying Cat]

ENDING THE DAY BEFORE WE SAY WE'RE READY IS A SCUMCLAIM BTW, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANTI WILL LET US SUBMIT ACTIONS LATE AGAIN.

[Lying Cat]

Can we maybe NOT turbolynch before I have a chance to talk to my hydra partner? Maybe a day or two to look at associatives, since we have flipped scum?

I need some time to reread, but my current theory is this:

Remaining two scum are in {Saki, Majiffy, Wicked}

I think the reasons for all three are pretty obvious, but I'd be happy to go over them in detail later.

Saki is absolutely not the first one we lynch out of that group.

First though, I need to know who got AC000026's invention and who they targeted.

I can't tell if bulb is playing incredibly well or incredibly poorly.

I'm not sure how I feel about vezok's PR plan. Give me a little to meditate on it.



p-edit yeah see hydra dissonance. we need to get together and talk.

[Lying Cat]

You are the sole confirmed townie and Lying Cat, as scum, doesn't have to justify giving you any inventions - it's easy in that regard plus you even said that you didn't feel good about your reads.

This was not true yesterday. You're trying to justify your opinion rather than come to a conclusion based on evidence. Also, AC000027 was confirmed town yesterday. If I were scum, I could have targeted him with my day action

and the kill

, giving at worst a good chance that the track couldn't be used. Just in case you were wondering, a possibility of no tracks would be better for scum than the certainty of one track.

2. This town is pretty strong and there could also be a mafia traitor.

Cognitive dissonance. You say here that the town is powerful, but you're arguing for me having a

negative utility role

as scum. That's fucking daft.

1. There's no reason for a mod to create a neighborhood between two mafia goons from the same team but I've seen that before. There's no reason for a mod to call a mafia team the 'Red Mafia Team' in a large normal with no other scum team but I've seen that before. There's no reason for a mod to put a Mafia Jailkeeper in a game with no other killing role but I've done that before. I've been over this before, it means nothing. Antihero could have very easily created the setup and selected an inventor at random to be mafia just to avoid getting outguessed by town.

Except that you've provided no evidence for the idea that Antihero would blatantly disregard the balance of his game. This is baseless, scummy fear mongering designed to open the lynch pool as wide as possible. And everyone is now dumber for having endured it.

2. IIRC, you've never voted for mollie. If you are town for your mollie push, then I must be obvtown. Where were you day 2 and day 3 when I was trying to get a wagon started?

Don't put words in his mouth, scumbag. Jingle said that we were

mollie's

push, and it's true. She's been voting us for stupid bullshit all game, probably on the hopes that I would get distracted by the critically high number of VIs in this game and get myself lynched like the last time we played.

3. This is terrible logic. Is Majiffy the only player in this game other than you capable of noticing a crumb? I'm not seeing the connection between 'GG gave Majiffy the invention' and 'Majiffy was the only one who spotted a crumb'.

Then your neck muscles must be incredibly strong: how else could you support the weight?
Let's do this in baby steps:
a. GG's 'crumb' on day1 showed inside knowledge of their role to anyone they targeted (except PV, because he wasn't reading the thread)
b. GG targeted Majiffy on day1, confirming for him, and only him, what their role was.
c. GG did not die until much later, therefore Majiffy either is not scum, or had a good reason to not kill a PR.

Personally, I think Majiffy-scum played a shell game with the conftowns and won, but the logic is there and it's solid even if I disagree with the conclusion.

But given your track record, I don't think you're qualified to make the assertion that "logic you don't understand" equals "bad logic."

-sthar8

[Lying Cat]

Also can we not engage Z's terrible claim? It's frustratingly fake and it's fantastically unlikely that he's either a third investigative

or

a second gunsmith, let alone

both

. Even if he somehow were, he'd need to die to validate his claim

and

his results wouldn't even clear anybody.

[Lying Cat]

Lol. That zzzx claim.

Ikr?

I dont mind being lynched but here are my cleans:

I cant allow you to fucking misltynch me

[Lying Cat]

Hold on here. Wicked's point is fair.

I believe Wicked means to say that the town is too powerful, and that your negative utility role helps to counter this.

At least that is what I think Wicked means...

Even as scum, your role can help you coast till endgame. No role is useless. Except VT.

No. Wicked is saying that I'm scum with a drawback-only role, and also that town is too powerful which makes bulb a likely traitor. It does not mesh at all, and there's no evidence for it. He just fears POE.

This is terrible and Wicked rightfully shot you down. Additionally, Apork was jailkept by vezokpiraka immediately that night, so unless you think the scum wanted to waste a shot, your point is moot.

Scum couldn't have known that GG would be protected. You might as well say that scum shouldn't have targeted PN if they didn't want to waste a kill.

If you were scum, you would've given your partner the day action.

I would not have. Giving power to someone who isn't conftown has to be justified, and could be potentially incriminating. Besides, scum having a track is pointless.

Secondly, GG was obvtown. You didn't need to know his PR to shoot him anyway. Case in point: vezok protected GG instead of his mason partner Day 1.

Lastly, your third point applies for all players and/or all scum. It can be applied onto any player.

1 was a fair point, and it's something I'm discussing with Jingle right now.

2 is not an argument against his logic, though I do think it's why Majiffy didn't target GG.

3 does not apply equally to all players. It only applies to players

who GG had targeted.

Doesn't matter either way. Either we lynch you today or we track you tonight.

track me please. I will perfectly show you that I rolecop a person and that the person will not die (prob...)

fuck. that. Majiffy is scummy for suggesting it.

But since you feel so talkative, who should we lynch if not you?

[Lying Cat]

Who got the doctor protect last night? And who got it N1?

Does anybody know?

[Lying Cat]

Do you really think there's a third town investigative role? Especially given how bad he fucked up his claim?

[Lying Cat]

sure, wasting an investigation for no gain is super protown

[Lying Cat]

Cool, so Jingle agrees that Majiffy is scum. We lynch z today and jiffy tomorrow.