Suburban Warfare - GAME OVER

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I haven't been reading the thread so it will take me a while to catch up. Anything interesting going on right now?

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I guess I should be asking for peoples opinions on zzzx and bub.

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I just got an update from the mod. There have been a mistake and 4 players visited me.

Can you go over this again?

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You don't get to answer my question with a demand.

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above the demand, that is

No, it really wasn't. Though I admit to being half asleep when I wrote my previous post and missing the post above his demand. I would have likely been less abrupt had I seen it. I want to know about the circumstance behind him suddenly being told a 4th result.

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Who was the added name? I find it suspicious that a 4th name showed up on your list when people were starting to POE the roles.

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You are asking the wrong question, so answering with one word will be misleading, but 'No'.

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I told you my answer would be misleading because you were asking the wrong question, and yet you jumped to conclusions anyway. I was responsible for the redirect, but I'm not a redirector.

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Vote: ZZZX

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I was questioning you before you attacked me buddy, not that OMGUS is even a tell.

I was highlighting the ridiculousness of you demanding a yes or no answer.

I have no idea why Anxiety made the night choice that he did, I've used a busdriver as town before, but I still don't have a handle on this games mechanics. I haven't even read day 1, I just read day 2.

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Why did you think it made sense for anxiety to cop you?

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I don't see any value coming from me full-claiming today.

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actually i just thought of a way that should confirm me as town (or at very least pseudo-confirm me as town), but i won't be able to do it until tomorrow at the earliest.

What caused the delay?

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Damn phone, why won't it take the quote stuff from each page?

Can you PM me details about you phone after the game?

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All this theory talk seems pretty useless. Scum can hide behind that.

All what theory talk?

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All this theory talk seems pretty useless. Scum can hide behind that.

.....lolwat?

Good man, now if only your read on this slot was right.

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My ability can be used on my own neighborhood as I read it. I haven't asked the mod for clarification.

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My ability can be used on my own neighborhood as I read it. I haven't asked the mod for clarification.

I will official vote for you tomorrow.
You may not know why aniexty did what he did, but the fact that Mollie claimed watcher and the ability was not used to deflect players from pine street makes you scum in my book.

To what end?

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i don't think it's something she's aware of so i'd rather not

Now that we know you were wrong, I'd like to hear it.

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I meant, to what end would he redirect Mollies location?

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I think it's the height of narcissism to presume your reads hold more value than everyone else's

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Official Vote Count

ZZZX

(7): Bicephalous Bob, SpyreX, Marquis, Zivel, chamber, AGar, Pine St

Bicephalous Bob

(7): Oversoul, Majiffy, farside22, ZZZX, Metal Sonic, Hoopla, Desperado

Not Voting

(1): Antihero

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

i like this VC

now poor Antihero has all the pressure

You are voting for bob here but for zzzx in the neighborhood. Do you think giving antihero control of the lynch is better than just lynching bob for yourself?

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It is.

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So and help me puzzle through this mess of nonsense.

If your action is targeted, did you in any way have to directly target Cedar? As in, is mr mysterious role mod mistakes random percentages on top of EVERYTHING ELSE just flat wrong?

Please let that be the case.

Pleaseeee

I would show up as targeting cedar and maple, as far as I understand. Unfortunately I believe he claimed as much?

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I don't know why he chose the locations he chose. I'm incapable of answering your question, so answer mine for me, what value would there be in doing what you think he should have done?

As I understand things (and I still don't really understand the mechanics in this game) my ability would only work on things that affect a location. Player targeted effects like the nightkill would be left unaffected. I haven't actually asked for clarity, but I don't understand how a single targeted effect could be resolved if my ability did affect it.

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Why'd you forget about your wagon composition argument so quickly?

Unvote

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Why'd you forget about your wagon composition argument so quickly?

Unvote

what's the purpose of unvoting?

I'd rather the day not end, I still haven't fully caught up or gotten answers for most of my questions.

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I don't know why he chose the locations he chose. I'm incapable of answering your question, so answer mine for me, what value would there be in doing what you think he should have done?

As I understand things (and I still don't really understand the mechanics in this game) my ability would only work on things that affect a location. Player targeted effects like the nightkill would be left unaffected. I haven't actually asked for clarity, but I don't understand how a single targeted effect could be resolved if my ability did affect it.

That makes no sense.
Marquis targetted maple and got redirected to cedar, why would a kill not be effected by your role? Does it specifically say it does not redirect certain abilities?

Marquis can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it he tracked the whole

neighbourhood

? So would be redirected because his action was tracking the

neighbourhood

. the kill targets a

single player

, how on earth would it being moved from one neighborhood to the other be resolved? who in the new neighbourhood would die? someone at random?

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12 hours

This isn't going to happen.

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Oversoul. why did you use your ability?

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I still would have enjoyed the 9h anyway, just because I wouldn't finish in that time window doesn't mean I wouldn't get anything done :/.

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I have issues with lots of peoples play, not just Metal Sonics, and Metal Sonic is a player I expect to have issues with, I'm not at all certain that he's scum. Hoopla's cognitive dissonance of claiming it would be egotistical to think mollies reads mattered more than everyone else's and than using her ability anyway is way more suspect.

Its an 80 page game, I have a life. Fuck me for not being able to read all of it at sufficient depth after a couple days.

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I'm not really worked up? Slightly tiffed at most. I prefer to interact with the people I have issue's with so that I can attempt to resolve them, and frankly there is no one in my neighbourhood that I particularly enjoy bouncing ideas off of.

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Hoopla's cognitive dissonance of claiming it would be egotistical to think mollies reads mattered more than everyone else's and than using her ability anyway is way more suspect.

i wasn't putting my reads above everyone else's. i used the power because i thought it would confirm me as town or at the very least make me prob/highly likely to be town. to me it still seems obvious that this is a town power because it's just too strong to give to scum - that's how i would think if someone else had this ability.

If it works exactly as you claimed it does, I agree. We have no way of knowing that though. Clearing people is very dangerous.

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Why did you choose to respond to me there but not earlier when I first raised the concerns? Why didn't you answer my first question to you?

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The best advice I ever received in a mafia game was from VP Baltar, when I was run up to L-1 as town in one of my first few games on site. He told me that rather than waste time trying to defend myself, I should instead focus my efforts on finding the scum. Because either I get lynched and you now have reads to work from that you know are genuine. Or I find actual scum and we lynch actual scum. It's a win-win.

Your current attitude is very different from this.

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oh look, a new agar wagon. look who's here to scoop it up.

The best advice I ever received in a mafia game was from VP Baltar, when I was run up to L-1 as town in one of my first few games on site. He told me that rather than waste time trying to defend myself, I should instead focus my efforts on finding the scum. Because either I get lynched and you now have reads to work from that you know are genuine. Or I find actual scum and we lynch actual scum. It's a win-win.

Your current attitude is very different from this.

It stood out more when I was rereading because its recent. I'm not explicitly attacking agar, I'm looking to interact with him (and maybe guilt him into doing the right thing if he's town). When I'm set on someone being scum I typically only use votes, I got my title for a reason.

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vote: agar

Pedit yes how agar defended Bob was scummy as fk

vote agar

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Vote: agar

I also have a scum read on Zivel which I talked with chamber in part and suspicion on spy.

Here we go again, the dipshit brigade is full steam!

Fuck it, lynch me please. I don't even care at this point - if we're gonna do this dance every day quit wasting my time.

Like fuck this, I'm not going to even contribute anymore. I'm just going to post "Lynch me." from here on out, every 48 hours, since this is dumb as shit. We should be killing the fuck out of Hoopla (HEY LOOK MAJIFFY DIED, I WONDER WHY) but NOPE.jpeg.

Majiffy's last scumreads were OS and Hoopla.

AGAR OUT.

Do you think he needed my help getting himself lynched with posts like that?

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Chamber talked a little last night about my reads. I don't recall him stating scum reads.

That would be because I don't really have any yet.

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Vote antihero

Sleep brings clarity.

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I can sometimes confuse competence with towniness. He was one of the most competent seeming players when I was catching up. With that veil lifted though I think hes done a lot of overtly scummy things. He ended the day before I could catch up, he attempted to make bob vs zzzx about their roles, he tried to make me look bad for questioning agar, how else did he expect me to develop opinions? It was just thoughtless rhetoric.

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@anyone in chamber's neighborhood: did he actually catch up or was that a bunch of smoke and mirrors?

Smoke and mirrors? I told you plainly that I didn't desire to catch up with the people in my neighborhood. More rhetoric.

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I can sometimes confuse competence with towniness. He was one of the most competent seeming players when I was catching up. With that veil lifted though I think hes done a lot of overtly scummy things. He ended the day before I could catch up, he attempted to make bob vs zzzx about their roles, he tried to make me look bad for questioning agar, how else did he expect me to develop opinions? It was just thoughtless rhetoric.

haha, you're telling me there weren't 2 whole game days of stuff to develop an opinion on agar. i was just bringin' you down?

enjoy the rope, scumbag.

Because no one has ever wanted to interact with people for themselves? You aren't even trying.

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You are literally the one that stopped my process by hammering when I asked you not to, and yet you are trying to hold that against me? Seriously?

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I like interacting with the people who's play I actually find questionable, like with say, agar's inconsistency.

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haha, you're telling me there weren't 2 whole game days of stuff to develop an opinion on agar. i was just bringin' you down?

Then in your opinion day 3 and onwards are supposed to be composed of only votes, because 2 days of content is enough to perfectly read everyone?

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@ chamber: why is any of this scummy again? you replaced in on friday night and we lynched monday night and then you had 72 hours to catch up overnight. what exactly were you going to accomplish in the 12 hours that antihero cut off by hammering that was going to be so earth shattering that he's scum for not allowing you to do it?

You mean the 12h deadline he put in place all on his own? It's not like we were remotely close to deadline.

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the guy who's just happening to be the one getting hard wagoned right now.

No.

Of course him getting wagoned now was a big impetus in me needing to figure out his alignment, there is just nothing scummy about that. You are making it out like I was opportunistically smearing him, I was mostly certainly not. Nor did he need smearing.

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You are literally the one that stopped my process by hammering when I asked you not to, and yet you are trying to hold that against me? Seriously?

LOL

so, i came to your house, took away your computer for the 72 fucking hour night and STOPPED you from reading and catching up?

and don't give me some horseshit about asking questions, you did nothing of the sort in any meaningful way. you quoted random things and made little cute comments about them.

and yeah, when you make a scum catchup, i'm going to hold it against you.

seriously.

But you weren't initially holding the way I caught up against me, that is a recent fabrication. All you were doing was holding whether I had or not.

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Show me where you say you are ending the day early because my catchup is damaging to the town? You seemed all for it when I first said so. this is just some post hoc bullshit you are spewing to try and defend yourself.

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We had a fake guilty that resulted in a lynch but not really.

If agar is scum it's probably not with spyreX, this sounds legitimately bitter.

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i'm pretty sure i said i was lost last post but now it's like 229% more lost and i can't believe it's still day 1 and i don't know if i should just replace out

Did marquis ever make a post that wasn't just this?

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Lynch me.

Don't let VP down.

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I finished?

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Does your neighbourhood know something the rest of us don't?

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That's not what we wanted to hear!

I know hoopla already asked this, but seriously, what were you looking to hear?

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I feel like hoopla is reacting to Shinobi similarly to how I reacted to Antihero. The claim thing sort of gives me pause, but I honestly couldn't tell you the flavour for my role off the top of my head. And I think hoopla would be careful about that as scum. She was pushing for a massclaim, I don't see why she wouldn't at least think that she had hers in order. Though, that's also reason for her to have double checked hers I guess?

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Chamber, this is the most town I've been as town in a long time. I am surprised you don't see it.

I do see it. I feel like I have to keep repeating the same theory argument though. I don't (or at least try not to) look for town. Townie things aren't offset by scummy things. Scum have the motivation to look town. I think you are very competent as scum, I don't think faking looking this town is inherently above you. I am absolutely leaning town on you atm, I thought my last post would get that across, though it was more me thinking out loud then intending to state a solid opinion.

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I keep seeing people say that in the games I'm in, and then losing to people they've poe'd as town.

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I'm a 1-shot neighbourhood busdriver.

You know when it was used an on whom.

Metal Sonic can go next.

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Marquis, get in here and claim.

Then we can resolve this mass claim finally. This is taking way too long.

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Chamber: who are your scum reads?

Metal Sonic is number 1 for me right now. Especially if there is actually a hoopla/MS conflict. Hoopla's competent, she wouldn't just make up an ability. On the other hand I can absolutely see MS fucking up a fakeclaim (if the other movements were done by the setup, for instance).

I realized in the neighbourhood that a lot of what I was attributing to antihero being scum is likely a product of his personality not of his alignment (no matter how anti-town it may have been). It could be a cover, of course. I don't remember thinking that of him the last time we played together, but then I was scum in that game so~.

Desperad, shinobi, and oversoul fill out the roster in that order.

On that note, with the massclaim finally done:

@Desperado: Why didn't you protect Mollie N1?

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No. Desperado and MS don't get to avoid being wagoned by just being MIA.

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First I'd like him to commit to whether there is actually a conflict or not.

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Ok, I can commit.

Vote MS

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Ok, I can commit.

Vote MS

are you kidding me

there is no metal sonic wagon to commit to idgi

I was being cheeky.

why you and oversoul seem to be ignoring the perfectly good and righteous hoopla wagon and case is................... why.

The corner stone of it is hoopla being dumb. I don't think she is?

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mmm, that's what i thought.

i don't think there's any conflict in our claimed actions, but all that really does is prove that Metal's abilities are what they say they are. ability doesn't prove alignment etc etc

How do you think he got confused about his own motivations for making an action?

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It is now Night 2.

Neighborhoods are being unlocked. A night deadline of 72 hours will be set once I find a replacement for Zivel.

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oh. aw

i am the neighborhood swapper. i was responsible for swapping antihero and oversoul. i am also responsible for putting chamber, hoopla and desp in the same neighborhood cause (scumreads)

who's next? lets see

Yep, 11 days is certainly 2 months.

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Wait, he was talking about thinking he was going to die in the PT and then didn't use his PGO shot?

It was already a sketchy claim I was just distracted by the other sketchy claims.

Vote shinobi

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Wait. Why did he care why you thought he was scum in the case where he died? The fuck.

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Unvote

This game makes my fucking head hurt.

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Desperadoooo. Please say why you didn't use your shot n1 on mollies neighbourhood.

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And you think that justifies not protecting her?

The chance your 1 shot doc actually stops a kill(without prior coordination with some sort of neighbourhood manipulation to put all the best targets in one neighbourhood) is fairly low. At least guaranteeing info out of the claimed watcher could have been huge.

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So, looking back on the massclaim, the one claim I believe the most is farside's. It just doesn't seem like a role that you'd give scum, and I also don't think it's the sort of claim Reck would give as a fakeclaim for scum or that farside would think up as a fakeclaim - people don't usually go for highly specific unique roles as a fakeclaim unless they're a certain type of player. And I think farside isn't that player - she seems more likely to work within known boundaries based on the way she plays, imo.

I'm skeptical about Shinobi's claim, mostly because it is a role than seems kinda problematic in terms of resolution and the amount of neighbourhood swapping and moving of players. The fact he's claimed it to be a non-traditional PGO where he gets to choose when to activate it seems convenient, as it enables him to not be caught out in the event of being targeted (if his claim is false). The one thing in his favour is the lack of killing roles in this game, but that has to be weighted against his play and PoE.

One thing I've also noticed is there have been three slots that have claimed an ability to redirect players or actions; me, Metal and chamber. I think from a balance/design perspective, Reck would probably not give all the redirection/chaos abilities to town, so this makes me more suspicious of chamber and I guess Metal too (but realistically I still don't see him as scum). There could be unclaimed redirection abilities lurking within the scumteam, but I feel like chamber is a logical choice for me, because he is basically an intersection of this redirection trio and the Metal/farside/chamber starting neighbourhood with no scum flipped in it yet but two of my town reads in there. I also remember being underwhelmed by 4nxi3ty's D1 lurkiness/fencesitting, so in all, chamber's slot ticks a lot of boxes in my PoE and from a general play sense.

I also think if chamber is scum, Antihero is town. I don't think Anti would link himself to chamber with a hammer like that. That would be a pretty weird interaction between buddies, imo. Shinobi/chamber seem like a viable scumteam, although I can't pick out the third scum yet.

Right now, I'm going to vote chamber as he is a more likely candidate than Shinobi imo, as there are some weird scumteam possibilities I see that involve Antihero, so I'd like to go for chamber since I think he is the only player in that neighbourhood (farside/chamber/Metal) that can be scum, whereas Shinobi or Antihero could be scum in that neighbourhood.

VOTE: chamber

I don't know if there is any interest for this wagon, but I am going to put it out there.

I know that it's not the entirety of your argument, but I actually mustered up some motivation for this game and wrote a script to randomly distribute players. If the distribution was random the expected value for the number of all town groups is ~1.62. So keep that in mind when trying to use POE. I still think Metal Sonic is scum, but I can't really refute anything else brought up here(oversouls claimed ability also introduces a chaotic element?).

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Which is a chaotic element.

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I had a question mark after it for a reason. I wasn't trying to make it seem any stronger than your statement there.

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Why are you so focused with that scumread, but not pushing me, Farside?

I don't like this post at all. It seems pretty obvious to me that farside is suspicious of hoopla because of her read (and the way it developed) on you. Why are you so focused on yourself?

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I found your point interesting, I was just waiting for oversoul to respond and then got distracted by hoopla voting for me. He still really hasn't though has he?

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Unless I'm going crazy that vote count is incredibly off from the way people have intended to move their votes.

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I know that it's not the entirety of your argument, but I actually mustered up some motivation for this game and wrote a script to randomly distribute players. If the distribution was random the expected value for the number of all town groups is ~1.62. So keep that in mind when trying to use POE

Noted.

But that is assuming that the scum was distributed randomly which I'm not so sure about, and also assumes Reck doesn't reroll unfavourable draws if he is randomizing, which I'm also not sold on.

You're deciding whats unfavourable for reck though. 2/2/0/0 doesn't seem that unfavourable to me. I get the willies when people start resorting to setup speculation rather than scum reads. Your saving grace should be that you've been using your reads to select within the speculation, but that pointing to me mitigates things.

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I somewhat feel like the active people are getting wagonned by virtue of having more to dislike.

i think youre going crazy

Desperado comes out of hiding for this?

What's the last non fluff thing Marquis has uttered.

Antihero has been a complete non presence today. Where did his rage boner for me go? I expected him to jump all over hoopla's vote for me.

Vote: Desperado

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her posts in the neighborhood overnight and her play today are town and there's literally only one situation where she's scum and it gets less likely as time goes on.

What situation is that?

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That question was to desperado. Fuck off and let him answer it.

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Actually it just dawned on me it doesn't matter and I win regardless of what happens

Either they lynch you and I win regardless
Or they lynch hoopla and she's town and tomorrow can be a good ol hoot listening to whatever pile of wordvomit you spill on the steps of the frat house
Or hoopla is scum and I get lynched because soooo goood and I'm free

Everything's coming up milhouse.

You have to think of the rest of us. What happens to me in the world where hoopla and you are lynched? Are you really that cruel?

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like ~30h just to be more specific.

Why didn't you vote for me when hoopla did if you thought I was the better lynch?

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I know I'm biased but I'm really incredulous at the prospect of a proper vetting happening in a 30h window this game.

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I hope you understand that my worry is not with the viability of me getting quick lynched (which seems very viable) but with me having enough time to properly defend myself and NOT getting mislynched.

I entertained this question once before this game, but then I felt like I wasn't properly conveying my thoughts. I no longer feel that to be true. If you can't figure out clear suspects from reading my iso, it's because I don't particularly have any. Every time I think I'm starting to figuring things out I find reasons to doubt. And I think I've communicated those clearly. I strongly disliked MS's split vote on day2, I strongly dislike him forgetting his actions, but he's MS so who the fuck knows. A 1-shot PGO is a pretty bullshit claim, but Reck seems like the kind of mod that's hard to outguess. Shinobi's put his foot in his mouth several times, but I'm not convinced he isn't just an active idiot. Oversoul made some bad posts recently, but I liked his response more. Desperado is the one person who I don't see any caveats for, so he's who I'm voting. If it comes down to shinobi or hoopla, I'll lynch shinobi, that's not even close.

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Why are we now pushing Chamber?
If any flashwagon should occur, it is an Antihero flash wagon.

There is currently 9 players alive with 3 scum in that group, it should not be difficult to scum hunt.

Ah chamber I see you understand before I say a word my issues with your play.

You went with attack on zzx and hoop, complained about wanting to question those you suspect, but not once when you were in thread with ms did you push for anything on him. I mean you got all pissy about interactions and needing to talk/grill those you suspect and nothing to ms at all when you had that opportunity.
Who do you blame for that? Antihero.

Today you question desp and ms about role and that's it? I mean all if this is now about claims?
That's almost as bad as hoop's let's mod the game and assume scum in each neighborhood and then mod the game more based in claims.

You've self described yourself as a tunneler, I'm not. I think a lot of this may come down to that difference. I very rarely am sure enough in a read to zero in one any one person that hard.

My motivation this game has been lacking, this has lead to me not following up on things as much as I would ideally (guess what killed my momentum and why I made such a big deal out of it). It's also lead to me examining things at a more surface level. Yes I primarily focused on the fall out from the claims today, but not on the claims themselves, the implications of them. The mass claim was a major part of today, so that only seems natural to me. I understand the aversion to only looking at claims, objective facts, trying to make them out to look bad instead of working with reads. But I really don't feel like I've been committing that scum-tell in it's classic form at all.

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Why are we now pushing Chamber?
If any flashwagon should occur, it is an Antihero flash wagon.

There is currently 9 players alive with 3 scum in that group, it should not be difficult to scum hunt.

Ah chamber I see you understand before I say a word my issues with your play.

You went with attack on zzx and hoop, complained about wanting to question those you suspect, but not once when you were in thread with ms did you push for anything on him. I mean you got all pissy about interactions and needing to talk/grill those you suspect and nothing to ms at all when you had that opportunity.
Who do you blame for that? Antihero.

Today you question desp and ms about role and that's it? I mean all if this is now about claims?
That's almost as bad as hoop's let's mod the game and assume scum in each neighborhood and then mod the game more based in claims.

You've self described yourself as a tunneler, I'm not. I think a lot of this may come down to that difference. I very rarely am sure enough in a read to zero in one any one person that hard.

My motivation this game has been lacking, this has lead to me not following up on things as much as I would ideally (guess what killed my momentum and why I made such a big deal out of it). It's also lead to me examining things at a more surface level. Yes I primarily focused on the fall out from the claims today, but not on the claims themselves, the implications of them. The mass claim was a major part of today, so that only seems natural to me. I understand the aversion to only looking at claims, objective facts, trying to make them out to look bad instead of working with reads. But I really don't feel like I've been committing that scum-tell in it's classic form at all.

Well my point had to do with what you stated in the game as a whole.
You wanted to interact and question those you were suspicious of, you didn't.
You stated you wanted to finish reading the game and complained at length about anti's hammer. I mean isn't finishing and looking for scum the objective?
Now it's in the moment let's look at claims.
Wow like I so missed that fake claim by bob. What the fuck is with the claims?
I mean if you read say 1 desp was not hiding that scum read on Mollie. So what awnser do you expect with your question to him?

I have been interacting. Not to a degree that I'm particularly happy with. But I have been. I don't know what you are getting at with sentence 4 and 5. I don't think having a scumread on a claimed investigative role is a justification for not protecting them. If they are telling the truth you likely stop a kill AND confirm them, if they are lying you wasted a 1-shot doc. You know what the chances of a 1 shot-doc actually being useful are? He pissed away the one situation where his claimed role had merit.

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You are right. I was hoping for something that might actually explain it from my POV.

Has Metal Sonic explained his motivation behind his N1 targets? I just realized something.

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Metal: Who did you have scum reads on day1?

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There is like 6h until deadline? Where the hell is everyone?

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If it comes down to it me and farside should be enough to lynch shinobi, I assume she'd take that over no lynch. I'm just sad that's what it's coming to.

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That's not what I'm saying at all. Answer my outstanding question for you.

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spyrex i don't get it. chamber just said he will reluctantly hammer your 1v1 death tunnel but you're unvoting so they can kill hoopla instead?

??

It does require farside to be around too, I was just expecting that she would be. I really don't feel good about a hoopla lynch if its taking me you and spyre compromising just to make it happen though.

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I'm going to be afk for a bit but I'll be back again before deadline. I'll figure out where I need to vote to make a lynch happen then.

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Welp.

Vote Hoopla

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Vote: Hoopla

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I don't understand how Hoopla's ability apparently went off again?

It's presumably random now and hoopla just got to control it while she was around? Getting down to neighbourhoods of 1 person is obviously silly so he needs some mechanic to counter act that.


@farside: Why didn't you post before work then? Why did you start a last minute wagon on me if you know you weren't going to be around for ~1/2 of that last minute.

@Metal Sonic: Why weren't you around at deadline? Why did you not secure your vote in a useful location if you knew you wouldn't be?

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When it comes down to it we are just no-lynching today right?

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Although Spyrex town makes me question chamber town.

Because you think I'm setting up a town!shinobi lynch?

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When scum are this high in concentration, it is debatable if scum reads are better than town reads.

I think I am better at finding town than scum.

I think the opposite is true. You only feel you are better at finding town because the odds are normally massively stacked in your favor.

I'm also worried about giving detailed reads when I still think that no lynching is right. I'd rather not paint the scum a roadmap.

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Vote nolynch

Farside was wrong to blame us(you) for the way yesterday played out when it was clearly her wagon attempt on me that caused the hoopla lynch. I think you guys have gotten pretty far off course from that original argument though, maybe you want to take it back a step.

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I'm not trying to blame you. You just have to admit that you trying to blame desperado for the hoopla lynch is a little silly? If that's not what you were trying to do say so. There is no need to keep escalating this with emotion.

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Have either of Antihero or MS posted today yet? wtf.

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-You- should do your best to not use abstractions.

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Was anti active at night in the PT or has he just been MIA for a full week? Can we get a prod or something?

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They aren't locked because hoopla got lynched. He even announced it in thread. (And she claimed it way back on day 1)

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What?

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I promise you that it was more than just one thing. But yeah, there is a big one.

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:/

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I realized that a no lynch wasn't going to happen.

There is very likely at least one scum in {MS, oversoul, Marquis} (not that that wasn't likely before now, but scum could be quick lynching him, or at least trying to if it weren't the case)


Marquis. Go over your MS scum read with me again.

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Chamber: where do you stand on everyone? I need only one sane person I can talk to.

I liked desp's end of day activity yesterday. He and SpyreX both felt like they were on the same wavelength with me. His argument with you also felt quite genuine. I imagine he'd have some shame as scum that mislynched hoopla yesterday and be less offended by you blaming him.

Oversoul could be scum with shin, but he could easily be town that's just over thinking things. I would have been more willing to believe that if he had answered yes to my question initially. Him being delayed and then coming to a similar conclusion makes it harder to tell if it's genuine or not. It's also a little less crazy, and I think town are more likely to make crazy leaps. All in all I don't think he's the lynch for today.

The Spyre night kill really does point at Shin scum. I just don't think making kills with the intent of framing is usually worth it. Spyre would have come in today with undying rage trying to get Shin lynched.

I think there is a decent chance MS pushing for me yesterday at the end was calculated to force a hoopla lynch without being on it. I believe your reason for not being around, but there is already too much other stuff on his plate. There is a limit to how much benefit of the doubt I can give his incompetence.

Antihero/Marquis is a toss up for me. Both have been incredibly absent. I don't think I have anything new to say about them.



If we are lynching today I really think it should be on shin and any votes that are on anyone else truly confuse me.

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Why did the post seem like it was fake rage from shinobi but genuine from antihero?

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He was talking about day 1 and pushing hard on his reads. I thought shin was saying it all as in obvious fake.

He did that in first person though? Which is why I thought you thought shin said it, but I don't understand how you'd think shin was talking about himself then?

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Why did the post seem like it was fake rage from shinobi but genuine from antihero?

someone doesn't know me very well...

You typically seem disingenuous to farside? I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

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That was at antihero not at you farside, your answer was fine.

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I'm not sure anyone is other than oversoul and I.

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Who doesn't have shinobi as a scum read? Let's just do that today?

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I'm still a little hesitant about quick lynch possibilities.

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Chamber: whom besides ms are you hesitant on and why?

What?

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it hides it if its 4 lines or longer, collapse the white space.


I still don't understand your question. I want to answer: Everyone? But that seems pointless so I assume I'm not understanding what you are asking.

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I still don't understand your question.

Who am I afraid will get quick lynched if they sit at 2 votes? Everyone.

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Unless you think everyone is scum and have no town read then why?

It's not inconceivable that he's town? I don't know what you expect, but I don't have that much conviction in my reads.

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I normally say that on a good day I'm like 50% accurate. Given the percentage of scum in the game right now its maybe up to like 75%, but I'm still going to hesitate over losing the game 25% of the time.

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I don't want to belittle oversouls effort, because he lasted longer than I did at reaching the eh fuck this game mindset. But he definitely reached it there. What makes that post really good in your mind?

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Vote: antihero

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Sorry for draining the energy from this game, I always feel guilty when I win that way.

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SORRY HOOPLA!

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Would have also allowed the inclusion of an extra townie, the odd number would have really helped.